Faking being a better person to sell art?

[Anonymous No.6407384]

How do I get a better personality?
I notice that, in my clique, the cutesy and wholesome girl-artist in the community always get the most comissions despite having arguably less skill, it seems people will commision them for other reasons beyond artwork of their OCs.

Now, as a 6'2'' mid-twienties brodude that is into lifting, motorcycles and loves women. How should I market myself?

I get the feeling you have to become really femenine to sell art, and by femenine I mean, never actually sharing any thoughts or opinions others might find offensive/uncomfortable, never coming off as competitive or ''eager to play''. Never calling people on their bullshit..etc


Whats your experience been selling art online?
Do you change your personality to do it?

[Anonymous No.6407385]

>>6407384
weak bait brodude

[Anonymous No.6407389]

>>6407385
Yeah, I am not baiting
This is a legit thread

I am genuinely curious cause I've never seen it addressed before. Do artist change their personalities to appease clients? If so, then what works the best?

[Anonymous No.6407402]

>>6407384
What kind of stuff do you draw?
It's typically better to post your art where you get clients, for example, if you like hot girls on bikes, then sell your art at bike events. Sell your bike art online on biker forums.
If you try to market your art to other artists, it's a lot more difficult.
You can just use social media to post art or get clients, you don't need to post your in-depth thoughts about the world.

[Anonymous No.6407411]

>>6407402
Its furry shit and other degenerate fandoms. I am not really into it, but I find drawing shit like that appealing

I always get the feeling I am in the wrong community, lol

[Anonymous No.6407412]

>>6407384
Sell to guys who are into the same thing. There is a market for cool and edgier stuff, follow and try to connect with people and other cliques who draw similar stuff. I never did commissions but I used to follow a a lot of people who did edgier things and drew motorcycles and whatnot so there is definitely ac community for it.

[Anonymous No.6407420]

>>6407384
Lol what the fuck are you talking about? Stop larping your broken idea of what's a man, be yourself and post your shit. You'll have your community if you have skill, passion and spontaneity.

[Anonymous No.6407425]

>>6407384
There are lots of homos who would love to be your sugar daddy.

[Anonymous No.6407427]

>>6407425
But thats gay as fuck

[Anonymous No.6407430]

>>6407384
paint pinupgirls on trucks or bikes

[Anonymous No.6407466]

>>6407384
why do you think all the good non-porn artists only post art and nothing else.
it isn't "faking it" to have a private account under a different name. it's basic internet safety 101.
also helps prevent you from getting high off your own farts and having yesmen convince you that you're a genius when you say something rarted.

[Anonymous No.6407484]

>>6407466
>also helps prevent you from getting high off your own farts and having yesmen convince you that you're a genius when you say something rarted.
Makes sense, it seems for girls they get an army of beta male orbiters, and for guys they get yesmen bootlickers that love to stroke your ego

I don't see the benefit of being myself online, while also being a business. Makes sense to keep shit separate, yeah

[Anonymous No.6407486]

>>6407384
Pretend to be a Woman and it wouldn't matter if you have zero personality or what kind of horrible insufferable and unlikable person you are because you will get the pussy pass.

[Anonymous No.6407488]

>>6407411
I make commissions of that sort, the only fake personality marketing I do is acting like a normalfag, no need to act like a furry degen to attract customers. My queues are always full.

[Anonymous No.6407520]

>>6407486
I couldn't possibly do that, people tell me I sound like Ghost from MW2
I voice chat in these communities

[Anonymous No.6407523]

>>6407488
Gives me hope, how do you market yourself. Twitter? Furaffinity?

[Anonymous No.6407573]

>>6407523
All of my clients are from Twitter. fA feels like a meme website to me.

[Anonymous No.6407583]

>>6407384
keep your fucking mouth shut and draw you dont need to fake being nice or take a stance to make bank. Fuck you dont even have to say a word at all just draw well enough and the clients will come.

[Anonymous No.6407629]

>>6407384
What's it like being as large as picrel?
As a 5'9" manlet, I hate how I'll live a full life never knowing what it feels like to be a real man.

[Anonymous No.6407632]

>>6407384
create an avatar and use that as yourself, otherwise don't tell anyone you're a 6'2" meathead and definitely don't act like one, because you do, you sound like you have concrete in your skull

[Anonymous No.6407643]

>>6407629
Get off your own head, bro. You are letting it eat at you, not worth it

[Anonymous No.6407657]

>>6407384
Well you could not mention anything about your personal life for one, no one gives a fuck

[Anonymous No.6407670]

>>6407657
>No one gives a fuck
>They specifically ask
>That and comments like
"Huurrrdurrr how come you aren't putting your pronouns in twitterrr!??"

[Anonymous No.6407722]

>>6407670
Just ignore that shit dude lmao. Anytime a woke tries to shit up my comments, I just ignore them.
And usually it's shit like "where are her organs???" or "le boobs dont work that way" BS, I haven't actually got the pronouns in bio shit yet.

[Anonymous No.6408024]

>>6407389
>do artists change their personalities to appease clients?
They change whole genders just to get followers.

Joking aside;
>I get the feeling you have to become really femenine to sell art, and by femenine I mean, never actually sharing any thoughts or opinions others might find offensive/uncomfortable, never coming off as competitive or ''eager to play''. Never calling people on their bullshit. etc
Exactly. Honesty, dignity and masculinity doesn't sell and since the average artist-consumer today is an effeminate, fragile and extremely insecure narcissistic, borderline neurotic and actually schizophrenic homosexual who has been brainwashed by politics, ideologies and is only concerned with consuming to get to their next dopamine hit.

Anything offends anyone and social media gives these half-people a platform to be insane together.
Being politically correct meant that you, as an individual either holding public office or being the face/ceo of a company, had to curb your own personal opinions to not alienate people from your message or potential customers.
Politicians rarely used their own faith and beliefs to justify shit and companies didn't market to specific ideologies or political sides; that's what it meant to be politically correct.
Of course, the trannies took it and warped it to the extreme where now everyone has to be like them, parrot the shit they do or be the "enemy".
>that is into lifting, motorcycles and loves women. How should I market myself?
The answer is pretty obvious.
Market yourself without spouting any opinions, because dudebros are not excluded from being huge fucking faggots and saying something that
>is not allowed
will attract feminine faggots that will try to fuck with you because they're extremely mentally ill.

pic related is how feminine marketing works;
It makes absolutely no fucking sense, has no substance but it makes fags FEEL all tingly inside, and they will get very angry if you don't validate their omelettes de fagotte

[Anonymous No.6408041]

>>6407629
I have what I call "China shop syndrome" where I'm afraid of knocking things over, breaking things, or inconveniencing other, smaller, people. Sitting on a crowded bus or an airplane is a social anxiety inducing nightmare. It's hard to find clothes that fit properly. People sometimes comment on my size and my voice. I wouldn't say that I'm a "real man." For whatever reason the males in my family tend to be tall and put on mass easily.

I think you are too hard on yourself and that you should cut yourself a break. Maybe try lifting weights if you don't already. Insecurity will ruin your chances with girls more than anything else, because they can smell that shit from a mile away and they hate it. 5'9" is not that short, especially when compared to the average in most countries, and other than literal whores on tinder no one really cares that much.

[Anonymous No.6408071]

>>6407384
anon, have you ever had a job in the service sector? ever?

when you work for clients, people prefer to work with people who are focused on the subject, easy to communicate with and who aren't insufferable and combative. This is true for any job where you communicate with any client/customer for any reason ever.

in addition, i think the reason most artists do not post personal opinions or are competitive has nothing to do with being feminine, and more to do with dealing with work in an adult way. It's simply the fact that drama is annoying and there is no reason to get involved with it. you get nothing from it, it's just a waste of your time and resources better spent on creating art or hanging out with people you actually like.

i can't imagine anyone over 22 or 23 wanting to spend much time on arguing and drama on a job account, to be honest with you. you don't have to become feminine, just try being objective and not get lost in the empty outrage machinery that is social media.

[Anonymous No.6408075]

>>6407384
You know, I've noticed this myself. Sadly, it seems that your only option might be drawing coombait/porn. It is true that wymyn get to draw cutesy stuff, and if they're hot and upload personal pictures, it's even easier for them. I've seen female artists that have nice styles, but draw like once a month, yet have humungous amounts of followers. And no, becoming a tranny doesn't solve this problem. Wymyn are just that privileged, but they'll never EVER aknowledge it.

[Anonymous No.6408085]

>>6408075
>wymyn get to draw cutesy stuff
genuine question, what's stopping you? not every woman uploads pictures of herself or is "hot" in the first place, are they magically projecting their appearance through their drawings somehow? if you personally only follow women who post hot pictures of themselves but hate them for that- why? just unfollow them?
>draw like once a month, yet have humungous amounts of followers
maybe the drawings are just interesting because there is much time and thought spent on them? again, you can do the same...

[Anonymous No.6408195]

>>6408085
Nothing is stopping be from just doing it, but the only people who enjoy it are other wymyn and they wouldn't follow the average male artist. Also I'm not really interested in that kind of art anyway. My point was mostly that not many people care for those styles overall, yet they'll gather millions of followers mainly because of simps. I don't hate anyone for this btw, that's just offer and demand at work, Don't jump to conclusions about stuff I didn't say.
>maybe the drawings are just interesting because there is much time and thought spent on them? again, you can do the same...
You can't measure this, and you can't know for sure that I don't. I don't think of myself as a better artist, I'm not even an equal to some of them. I'm close though, but the following doesn't reflect that at all. And I have interesting ideas, I have made pretty unique things. But that is not what most people want. If you want a following, fanart is the fastest way to grow. And that goes double if you're a cute woman, there's no doubt in my mind. Check out Valbun for example. She's a short haired semi-goth cute mexican girl, and so is her OC. Her style is cool, but it doesn't go beyond that. Yet she has a MASSIVE following. Not to say she doesn't deserve it, I like what she does, but be realistic. A lot of people have that same style but don't get as far. You think her being good looking didn't have an influence?
Want another example? Meka-Neko. She's also mexican, but a cosplayer. And also has massive jugs, that she doesn't really show. And her style is pretty meh, just some chubby anime-esque bitches. She has a massive following too. She's also the mexican representative of XP-Pen during public events. You think her tits didn't have anything to do with her eventual fame?

[Anonymous No.6408202]

>>6408195
thats a lot of words to say that women live on easy mode because men are thirsty

[Anonymous No.6408216]

>>6407384
If you were tall and fit you'd be selling out cause being minimally attractive is the best marketing you can have.
Start by accepting you're a goblin.

[Anonymous No.6408221]

>>6408195
no offense dude, but it seems like you're obsessed with a pretty niche thing happening. i follow lots of artists whose work i like and who i have never laid eyes upon in their physical form, i didn't even know about this kind of sub-type of artist, but i honestly don't even care enough to follow that kind of person.

if people aren't following this woman for her art but her looks, who cares? do YOU want to be treated this way? just have people praise your mediocre art but actually just get off to pics of your ass and pester you in your dms 24/7 for selling your piss feet pics or whatever? is this your ideal of a socia media existence? i have a hard time believing you want this kind of thing... you probably just want to have a following based on your personal art, and you probably want your art to be good.

plenty of people have large followings for different reasons, especially men have an easier time being seen as more competent in comparison to woman, there's a shitton of different male concept artists, painters, etc with no problem getting followers. is yoshitaka amano a "hot guy"? or idk, sinix?? any of the other popular youtube dudes? that said, plenty of men also get by on good looks.
if you wanna draw cute art, just do that. a ton of moe artists are guys, i think that's no secret at all. do what YOU want and like, and people will see your passion.

[Anonymous No.6408241]

>>6408221
nta but if people threw money at me just for showing an ankle or alluding to being a female, i wouldn't give a shit if they spam my dms (which i can just ignore) or don't give a shit about my art

You can't eat from "being seen as more competent" or having lots of followers
And men are usually more competent than women, because they know they can't show some skin and get their life financed by simps.

Any male int beats any female pro in overall skill and competence.

[Anonymous No.6408261]

>>6408241
>You can't eat from "being seen as more competent"
you can get hired for a job and get paid for coming across as competent, anon. the guys i listed also work and get paid well.

>if people threw money at me just for showing an ankle
first of all, they don't. being "attractive" is not something inherent, you have to work for it. there are plenty of ugly women. maintaining looks is work just like everything else, and costs a ton of money. you can do this too btw. no one said men can't spend effort on their looks.
also, if you don't actually want to draw and only use it as a crutch for a twitter following, the the fuck out of here.

>Any male int beats any female pro in overall skill and competence
bad bait.

[Anonymous No.6408263]

>>6408221
If I was obsessed I'd be talking about this all the time, but I don't. I'm not OP, I just saw a thread about someone who shares this mentality for the first time, and I indulged in it. Why do you feel the need to be so hyperbolic? This is the theme of the thread, nothing more.
>do YOU want to be treated this way?
What? Become the representative of a huge worldwide corporation in my country? Damn straight I want that.
>you probably just want to have a following based on your personal art
Well sure, as I said before, this is nothing but offer and demand. I'm not mad at the people "selling out" like this (even if I don't consider it as such). I'm just stating a reality in which we live. This reality: >>6408202
Yoshitaka Amano is waaaay better than the examples I gave and its clear that he deserves the success he gets. It seems to me that you're strawmaning me a little bit, trying to infer that I'm somehow too bothered by all this, but I'll say it one last time: I'm not, I'm just stating my thoughts about a reality that seems pretty obvious to me, yet I never see it being talked about online. And, for the record, I don't know ONE male artist who got their success based on their looks. You can argue Shadman did, when everyone thought that cosplayer was actually him, but it wasn't him. And now everyone hates him.
>if you wanna draw cute art, just do that
Do you even read my posts, or do you just imagine what I might say and go off from that? I literally said I don't want to. Once again, that wasn't my point. My point was that if I did, to the same level or even better, it wouldn't get the same attention. Because when you're not a woman (or for the record let's say even a tranny in this case), people find it weird and don't engage as much. I know one male artist who draws cute art, ETO2D. He's pretty successful, but he has to play it up as if he was this sensitive, always positive cheery guy. I don't know if this is an act or not, but that's not who I am.

[Anonymous No.6408271]

>>6408263
answered none of my points. well, too bad. so you only want the good stuff but not the bad stuff that comes with doing this kind of work. ok. but do know this is jsut a different kind of business than just drawing, right? it's like saying someone who is in a medium popular band and also draws gets more attention than someone who only draws.
you don't know good-looking male artists because women thirst follow them, not men.
if you want to only draw art, that's fine and i promise you tons of women have equal accounts where they only post art, and you will be better off than those simply by being a guy. no go and draw.

[Anonymous No.6408273]

>>6408263
answered none of my points. well, too bad. so you only want the good stuff but not the bad stuff that comes with doing this kind of work. ok.
but you do know this is just a different kind of business than just drawing, right? it's like saying someone who is in a medium popular band and also draws gets more attention than someone who only draws.
you don't know good-looking male artists because women thirst follow them, not men.
if you want to only draw art, that's fine, and i promise you tons of women have equal accounts where they only post art, and you will be better off than those simply by being a guy. now go and draw.

[Anonymous No.6408279]

>>6408273
I'm not interested in debating you if you're gonna infer things I didn't say nor meant in the first place.
>you don't know good-looking male artists because women thirst follow them, not men
I'm bi, so by default this "point" you're making is invalid, let alone if you take into account that you don't know me and you sure as hell don't know which artists I follow.

[Anonymous No.6408287]

>>6407384
>Now, as a 6'2'' mid-twienties brodude that is into lifting, motorcycles and loves women. How should I market myself?
You need to look at other ecelebs and emulate what kind of stuff they went through to put themselves on the map. Usually it means becoming a sort of caricature and stirring drama/being weird for the attention and clicks it brings.
tl;dr you must channel your inner sociopath/jew
example: this guys plays the violin, and look at what it took for him to "make it"
https://twitter.com/iamthmpsn

[Anonymous No.6408360]

>>6408261
>you can get hired for a job
No shit, but being paid for literally existing and not having to work is better. That was my point.
On being seen as competent, doesn't guarantee you to pay any bills.
>first of all, they don't.
They do though.
Good 99% of female artists also post themselves.
>there are plenty of ugly women
And they also only need to post an ankle to attract coomersimps who will throw money at them.
>if you don't actually want to draw and only use it as a crutch for a twitter following, the the fuck out of here.
Didn't say or even imply that but why is it okey for women to use art to sell their nudes and not draw then?
I mean, that's clearly a double standard in play here.
>bad bait.
Ah, yes, the old; "If i don't like an opinion it must be bait and trolling".

The point of this thread is to discuss these things and as far as my observations go, any male intermediate artist is better than any female professional, because the female pros only got that far on virtue of being female and simps enabling them or they fucked their way into being professionals.
It's been discussed to death how female privilege is hella real but never openly discussed or pointed out because then it would be considered misogynistic or whatever.
The majority of women holding any higher position, only have it on virtue of their gender or because it was handed to them, not their skill, not their competence, not their work.
And i'll clarify before anyone pisses their pants;
>the majority
Not all.

If you're a woman, you don't have to prove shit and earn shit, everyone loves you and everyone hand you free shit, hence a woman feels no need to actually get good at something.
That's just the reality of things.

[Anonymous No.6408383]

>>6408287
Hahaha, I am dying
This is the peak framing of the modern age of marketing

A talenteded man having to employ a fat ass girl twerking to get any views, KEK

[Anonymous No.6408384]

>>6407384
The biggest sin you can commit online as an artist seeking comissions, is daring to flirt with a girl the simps of the hour are lusting after. That'll cement you as an ''Andrew Tate Kinda guy'' and you'll be called a misogynist and a dumb meat head.

Similar to how women will call each other whores to ruin their social status, and get an advantatge in the sexual market place. ''Men'' (Simps) will attack other men in an attempt to do the same.
-
I literally had someone accuse me of being an Andrew Tate fan for flirting with a fellow artist girl in the community I am in (One of those chicks with a horde of simps orbiting her). And he was genuinely upset about it, even tho she was giglling.

[Anonymous No.6408387]

>>6408241
I know a girl that makes 4k$ a month from commisions. Has 30k followers on Twitter, yet if you look at her drawings it literally /int/ to high /beg/ at most
But of course, she is highly involved in the furry/brony fandom which is peak ripe full of lonely men willing to give money out in the hopes of spending a couple minutes with her
I am good friends with her bf too, and he is literally your stereotypical brodude (super chill dude)

This is not criticism or whining., just a reflection of reality that I've witnessed

The irony of it all just never ceases to amaze me

[Anonymous No.6408391]

>>6408216
I am not hot, girls only call me cute
I also don't feel right sharing myself with other people cause I love my fiance

[Anonymous No.6409553]

>>6407384
Anyone know any good payment processsors for art comissions?
I need something that will work America (sends the money) to Romania (gets the money).

Paypal doesnt work for me right now because it thinks I am "high risk" despite not making as single transaction.
Venmo doesnt either
Neither does cashapp

My only requirements are:
1. Works internationally or at the very least America to Romania
2. I can withdraw the money (so no stuff like steam giftcards)
3. It doesnt expose my name and adress to everyone on the internet.

[Anonymous No.6409562]

>>6409553
crypto assuming you can withdraw without any issue from a centralized exchange, just accept stable coins and cash out often.

[Anonymous No.6409600]

>>6409562
What would some good coins be (BTC, Etherium, etc.) , Ideally one that I can cash out fast , like say idk 1-3 days or even better without underselling. Idk shit about crypto

(also how much should I expect to wait when it comes to selling crypto at their market price and what would some good wallets be).

Thanks a lot for the idea anon

[Anonymous No.6409613]

>>6408360
NTA but
>If you're a woman, you don't have to prove shit and earn shit, everyone loves you and everyone hand you free shit, hence a woman feels no need to actually get good at something.
That's borderline delusional and not how reality works for 99% of the population, otherwise you wouldn't see women spending time/money becoming dentists or some shit. Even Onlyfans shows that the well majority of women don't make shit for showing skin. Unironically go outside more and you'll see women working minimum wage jobs all the time

It's no wonder men think they can become trannies and get everything handed to them on a silver platter, aside from (empty) compliments from virtue signaling liberals.

[Anonymous No.6412450]

>>6407411
if you just drew motorcycles and hot women you'd definitely get more fans....

[Anonymous No.6412500]

>>6409553
A shame Wise isn't more popular

[Anonymous No.6412620]

>>6407411
You have a weak personality.

[Anonymous No.6412625]

>>6407670
Ah yes of course how could I forget the typical commission conversation
>So that will be 15 extra for ever additional character
>BUT DO YOU EVEN BENCH 2 PLATES BRO
I've figured out what your problem is. You're an attention whore with an extremely fragile ego, you made this thread to humble brag and none of this affects you in the art industry whatsoever. Fuck off or open an only fans since you're clearly on camwhore levels of narcissism and self delusion

[Anonymous No.6412780]

>>6412625
>So that will be 15 extra for ever additional character
>So that will be 15 extra
>will be 15 extra
>15 extra
>15$
If these are your prices for comms, then I can certainly understand why you are in such distress
Life must be tough down there, little guy. I hope you get better soon :^]

[Anonymous No.6415968]

>>6407384
Just post your art online and not your shitty opinions or do post your opinions because getting cancelled just gets you liked more on the other side of twitter

[Anonymous No.6416896]

>>6415968
Half the fun in this life is being an attention whore capable of weaving through the social tension like ballerine with a shit eating grin on your face

I pray not for a different burder, but for stronger shoulders to carry it

[Anonymous No.6416949]

>>6416896
you sound like a homo

[Anonymous No.6416960]

>>6416949
Extremely

[Anonymous No.6416977]

>>6407385

>one of the faggots that follow fem artists OP was talking about

[Anonymous No.6417006]

>>6409613
>Unironically go outside more and you'll see women working minimum wage jobs all the time
Only women like that are either divorced, batshit insane, ugly/fat as fuck or a combination of the three.
>see women spending time/money becoming dentists or some shit.
If they aim for such jobs its for the social status so they can delude themselves into being actually worth something and boast about how hard their work is and how they carry the whole of humanity upon their shoulders or how they have the fate of other living beings in their hands so you shouldn't fuck with them; Women have an innate god complex and are incredibly mentally immature to be even allowed to pursue a profession where lives are at stake.
>Even Onlyfans shows that the well majority of women don't make shit for showing skin
So how come women still charge in droves to become e-prostitutes and spam the whole internet thinking they're the ones who will become multimillionaires by advertising their adult content to literal children on streaming platforms and online communities?

Don't call anyone delusional when you're clearly just parroting talking points off whatever echo chamber you come from.

[Anonymous No.6417138]

>>6412780
You are really are a woman lol

[Anonymous No.6417165]

>>6417138
There's nothing wrong with having a bit of feminine grace as a man