/beg/ & /int/ - Beginner and Intermediate Thread

[Anonymous No.6392858]

If you are a /beg/inner or /int/ermediate in art, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice.
Use this thread instead of making new threads or post in the drawthread with fundamental exercises.

RESIZE YOUR IMAGES TO ~1000 PIXELS wide using one of the following methods:
1. screenshot the image and post that instead
2. change camera capture settings to something smaller
3. send to computer and resize in MSPaint

READ THE STICKY:
Completed: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit
New collaborative sticky (anyone can edit): https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0Q
Old: http://www.squidoo.com/how-to-draw-learn

RECOMMENDED BOOKS FOR BEGINNERS:
Read the sticky

TRY TO BE ACTIVE AND GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK.
When giving feedback, avoid vague "advice" - point what's wrong and try to give the anon you're quoting a clear direction to improve their art (study heads < watch THIS VIDEO about head structure, read THIS SECTION of THIS ARTIST'S BOOK, etc).
You, feedback seeking anon, should also try to be clear and concise when asking for critique/help. When posting your artwork, say what you want help with, and what's your goal with the study/artwork.

Previous Thread: >>6388981

[Anonymous No.6392873]

I'm having an off day today and nothing is coming out right, but just yesterday and a few days ago I was producing nice stuff and having fun effortlessly. What is happening? What can I do?

[Anonymous No.6392893]

AI will replace you all. Learn to code instead. Do something useful with your life.

[Anonymous No.6392895]

>>6392893
fuck off faggot

[Anonymous No.6392901]

[Anonymous No.6392904]

>>6392893
Chances are AI will start making flawless code before flawless art.
Spend the next years on whatever you like before singularity consumes us all.

[Anonymous No.6392927]

>>6392901
Cutie

[Anonymous No.6392931]

how do I turn this into something good?

[Anonymous No.6392942]

Any resources to start learning how to draw backgrounds?
I swear people just wanna draw bobs and cunny in a vacuum and that's all they teach

[Anonymous No.6392944]

[Anonymous No.6392945]

I might need to fix the bed placement

[Anonymous No.6392957]

[Anonymous No.6392958]

Hello /ic/!
I've been so busy I haven't done any at since this little sketch Wednesday. I did the family thing, cooked, exercised, and so many projects, and now I have four hours before bed.
I want to give my art a little practice. Any suggestions on what to do?

[Anonymous No.6392964]

>>6392942
Draw like a sir just dropped this
https://youtu.be/ZhzdeThllUM

[Anonymous No.6392972]

>>6392942
welcome to /ic/

[Anonymous No.6392976]

>>6392873
This happens to me all the time with everything. Just rotate activities and remember to come back. When my art sucked I went back to cooking. Sometimes I'll do music. Or switch media, or subject.
With creative activities I find that the less I think the better I do.
One other crazy tip is if you wear glasses, don't wear them. If you don't, try drawing with sunglasses. I find that seeing badly sometimes breaks a slump, ymmv.

[Anonymous No.6392977]

>>6392893
I'm racist, I can only learn from Japanese sources

[Anonymous No.6392989]

I seriously need to find some watercolor books

[Anonymous No.6392995]

>>6392944
Great work

[Anonymous No.6392998]

i seriously cannot wrap my head around this foreshortning...

can anyone redline this shit cause I dont know if it looks right or wrong.

[Anonymous No.6392999]

>>6392995
Thank you

[Anonymous No.6393000]

>>6392998
heres the reference

[Anonymous No.6393004]

>>6392931
YOOOOOO BASED MADWORLD ENJOYER
Identify the shapes of the character, apply it in construction

[Anonymous No.6393005]

I like draw culos

[Anonymous No.6393010]

Today practice

>>6392958
Depends on what you want to get good at. Body overall probably anatomy and gesture drawing. Otherwise focus on specific body part like face or hands.

[Anonymous No.6393020]

>>6392998
I'm not good at red lining but stomach and chest does not seem to connect.

[Anonymous No.6393021]

>>6393010
I drew my feathered friend. She wouldn't hold still.
I'll do something else next.

[Anonymous No.6393025]

>>6392998
I think half of that mass to the right of her head is her back because it's one of those dresses

[Anonymous No.6393026]

>>6392998
What I think you did wrong is completely skip the second form on the right (the torso), you can clearly see it in the refeence

[Anonymous No.6393034]

I guess I can't draw anything without references

[Anonymous No.6393035]

>>6393034
learn construction, anon

[Anonymous No.6393036]

>>6393035
too hard

[Anonymous No.6393040]

All I do lately is basically drawing quick poses and some perspective studies, realistically, what else should I be doing besides drawing something of my own from time to time?

[Anonymous No.6393041]

>>6393010
https://youtu.be/AVhaI1hmNoo
>hands
Did this in real time. Hard to keep up watching and drawing simultaneously.

[Anonymous No.6393051]

Can I get a redline or some pointers on this? The positions just looks very stiff but I can’t put my finger on how

[Anonymous No.6393053]

>>6392998
first make head and torso bigger and the booty smaller. In the reference the head is almost the same size in height as the legs, dont divide the asscheeks because in this position they are barely visible. hide the leg behind the thighs. overall check proportions angles

[Anonymous No.6393065]

https://youtu.be/36aETyK2xhY
This was a fun draw along.

[Anonymous No.6393067]

Have an smiling Rei

[Anonymous No.6393066]

[Anonymous No.6393069]

>>6393051
too complex, you should lay off drawing characters interacting and keep it simple

[Anonymous No.6393082]

>>6392931
good pose, just add details

[Anonymous No.6393085]

>>6392944
how long have you been drawing for?

[Anonymous No.6393097]

>>6392942
We had a bg general a few months ago but not enough people here could keep it alive.

[Anonymous No.6393105]

wip

[Anonymous No.6393107]

>>6393069
I’m okay at making somewhat involved poses with multiple characters, it’s just this one at this angle that’s difficult. I like drawing closeness so that’s the thing I do the most. Still, thanks for the redline - it seems like my pose as is is okay, it’s just her arm down his back that’s making it weird?

[Anonymous No.6393116]

>>6393041
Take your time to process the new information. Stop the video if you have to.

[Anonymous No.6393123]

>>6393107
pretty much, arm and her neck was a little too big

[Anonymous No.6393126]

>>6393105
She’s *very* pale in your pic

[Anonymous No.6393143]

>>6392931
ITS A MAD MAD WORLD

[Anonymous No.6393155]

>>6393116
You'd think that would work, but trying to keep up shuts off my left brain and I do better. If I think I do worse.
This is a bad example tho.

[Anonymous No.6393171]

Hello fellow /beg/gars, today i have decided i am a brand new guy.
I have been drawing on and off for fun for years but was never serious about it.
Sometimes i would try some tutorials or study something, but then always stopped and went to do something else, as i always felt overwhelmed by the thought of the infinite things to learn.
I will set concrete goals to reach, drawing everyday in moderate amounts without burning myself out.
To start off, i want to complete taco1704 's online tutorials before the end of the year, copying the drawings and analyizing them, 10 pages per day.
I have tried a bunch of "teachers" like loomis etc but i felt tacos tutorials were the ones that resonated best with me, i really like his linework and how he manages to give charm to even simple things like hands and feet.
Thanks for reading my blog.

[Anonymous No.6393179]

What's a good tutorial on pixel art?

[Anonymous No.6393180]

>>6393171
just draw what you want when you want
sticking to a schedule like that will make you hate art

[Anonymous No.6393187]

#LARRYSWEEP

[Anonymous No.6393207]

>>6393171
Let's see your work and where you're at anon.

[Anonymous No.6393209]

>>6393000
thanks for the reference

[Anonymous No.6393219]

>try drawing for 12 hours daily
>get upper back pain
Uhh bros how do I avoid this? inb4
>don't draw so much!
fuck off

[Anonymous No.6393230]

>>6393219
Fix your posture, stretch in intervals.

[Anonymous No.6393234]

>>6393180
No, doing what you said is what brought me nowhere after all this time.
It's time for me to start learning and get good at specific things so i can be happy

>>6393207
I kinda like it but i also haven't finished it because it was my first time trying a tablet, and i am not used to being able to zoom however you want, so i spent a lot of hours making useless tiny details like an autist, and when i realized that i got mad so i didn't finish it. One thing i want to get good at is definitely being able to make drawings as quickly as possible, and also be able to draw whatever i want, those are my main general goals.

[Anonymous No.6393236]

>>6393234
Dorohedoro was so fucking good

[Anonymous No.6393246]

>>6393234
those goals are too broad to mean anything, it's something every artist is trying to do. Set a SMART goal

[Anonymous No.6393247]

I did this today. Got lazy on the jacket and used CA.

[Anonymous No.6393262]

>>6393053
What courses did you learn from to observe and draw like this?

[Anonymous No.6393291]

haven't drawn in about 2 weeks. going to try and actually paint past the base colors this time!

[Anonymous No.6393301]

[Anonymous No.6393307]

how many drawings must i do before i unlock the perfect accuracy perk? i've been grinding these studies but the unlock chance must be random and very low. also i'm getting close to snapping and doing nothing but drawing straight lines and circles for days on end if i can't stop being a wiggly wavy scribble fucker

[Anonymous No.6393309]

My 'zard studies - the Komodo dragon
And some ladies I drew quickly

[Anonymous No.6393311]

>>6393307
N+1
don't let it stop you drawing the things you want though

[Anonymous No.6393313]

>>6393085
4,5 years

[Anonymous No.6393363]

>>6393262
i did not take any course but i like to watch some contents in youtube mainly about perspective because of kim jung gi, i like the blocky maquete that this video explains and i practice by copying trying to apply the concept of 3d
https://youtu.be/D0g2MMsvqEM
https://youtu.be/xGhYfLQWbp0
https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/70153829

[Anonymous No.6393369]

I drew daily for years, but took a long break for two months, it has been hard getting back to it, weirdly enough

[Anonymous No.6393429]

Loomis please, I want to draw cute anime girls...

[Anonymous No.6393431]

>>6393429
You can draw cute old men

[Anonymous No.6393436]

why does my left one look so much worse than my right?
I did the left with proportions from memory and the left i did while copying proportion but i don't know why it's so different
only the torso i guess is a different length

[Anonymous No.6393487]

>>6393436
I think it's because the arch of the back is clearer and the boxy shape of the hips + torso is more visible. The hips are also tilted differently, in the left one they're more dynamic.

[Anonymous No.6393491]

>>6392858
here's some construction practice

[Anonymous No.6393497]

Im doing the meds map course and am so frustrated that i had to stop and calm down (i think i might legitimately have autism because i can feel it up in my spine) anyway the reference provided is way too hard and the complete opposite of what was done in the video
Im not going to make it bros....

[Anonymous No.6393517]

>>6393246
You mean something definite like "i want to become a mangaka"?
I am not sure what i want really, there's many things i would like to do, i think first of all i should just learn how to draw well in a pleasant and distinct style, and that will be divided in various steps.

[Anonymous No.6393529]

>>6393491
love the hatching good job

[Anonymous No.6393537]

Ai replaced me what do

[Anonymous No.6393560]

>>6393517
>Specific
>Measurable
>Achievable
>Relevant
>Time-bound
For example, you realise you're just drawing torsos and nothing from the waist down. Write down that your going to practice drawing legs for a month, and after a month is up compare the first drawings with your last

[Anonymous No.6393575]

>>6393537
Replace AI

[Anonymous No.6393579]

>>6393560
I think if i were to only draw legs for a month i would end up quitting, but i get your point.
To start off i want to complete taco's tutorials before new years eve, to get better at anatomy. I really like them for many reasons: he has a good style i like, he puts a bunch of notions around randomly, so maybe i draw a page of mouths and then i am drawing hands, i think it's good because it makes things more dynamic and interesting. They are written in korean but words are not necessary as it's obvious what he is showing.
https://www.pixiv.net/user/70834530/series/123810?illust_series_id=123810&p=17
This is the link if anyone is interested.
I'll start from here and in a month i'll decide what to do next

[Anonymous No.6393595]

Red part, green part, or I make a new one bigger?

[Anonymous No.6393608]

I tried doing a study based on the cover on the left and I got really annoyed when I realized the anatomy is whack,
How do I breakdown faces or do studies of anatomically incorrect/stylised faces and anatomy?

[Anonymous No.6393627]

>>6393034
That's normal. Vary your references a bit. Try drawing with a reference and from memory right after. Break down your references into simple shapes.

>>6393040
Observation drawing from real life and accuracy exercises copying your favorite artists.

>>6393107
While you should practice your anatomy, like everyone on this thread (including me), if you planned a hierarchy for your linework you would see a considerable improvement in your drawing's clarity.

>>6393307
You should be measuring stuff until it becomes second nature.
> i'm getting close to snapping and doing nothing but drawing straight lines and circles for days on end if i can't stop being a wiggly wavy scribble fucker
Do it. Better do it now than later. Chicken scratching is a curse that you can break free from.

>>6393436
>I did the left with proportions from memory and the left i did while copying proportion but i don't know why it's so different

You answered your own question: proportions. Don't rush yourself. You are a beginner and SHOULD be working with references. That's normal and avoiding that will only make your progress slower. Cute anime girls have short torsos and looong legs. You made her lanky by extending her chest too much. Her neck and right arm are lost to the messy lines which makes the shape unpleasant.

[Anonymous No.6393630]

>>6393608
His neck is huge and I couldn’t break down his face

[Anonymous No.6393741]

>>6393171
I'll bet money you wont make it a month.

[Anonymous No.6393776]

>>6393741
Ok faggot crab. Just finished my session for today, gonna hit the gym, then tomorrow do the same thing

[Anonymous No.6393784]

>>6393247

Looks nice

[Anonymous No.6393806]

Fuck me, thought this would be easy to draw, but ended up being harder than I thought. Back to practicing.

[Anonymous No.6393807]

>>6393806
Here's the original btw

[Anonymous No.6393813]

>>6393806
You're not practicing effectively, stop copying anime and read Keys to Drawing

[Anonymous No.6393819]

>>6393813
I'm just following my udemy course assignment I got. Teacher told me to draw something using the basic shape technique and that's what I did.

[Anonymous No.6393837]

>>6393819
Can you make the pieces less shitty then?

[Anonymous No.6393840]

Hi beg. With new tablet comes unexpected need to adjust to different feeling while drawing. Its like my line confidence regressed by few months. Feels very BEG

>>6393819
what is udemy
>>6393497
PYW + what the fuck is meds map course
>>6393491
i like it
>>6393307
Even the masters say they are learning "new things" every fucking drawing. So probably ALL OF THEM is the answer
>>6392989
https://archive.org/details/ZbukvicCompressed
>>6392942
Anon... there is no difference in drawing various subjects. You find good reference and then you draw what you fucking see. Also your pic cannot be background to anything but plane or bird flying in the skies :-)

[Anonymous No.6393842]

>>6393840
>what is udemy
Basically Youtube, but only for tutorials.
And also you pay for the tutorials.

[Anonymous No.6393844]

>>6393837
I'm practicing. That was my first time using basic shape

[Anonymous No.6393846]

>>6393844
Yeah, but I mean that the shapes could have been cleaner.
And with cleaner shapes, better results

[Anonymous No.6393847]

>>6393846
Okay, thanks for the advice. Working on my next drawing using basic shapes, hopefully this one will be smoother

[Anonymous No.6393848]

>>6393847

[Anonymous No.6393870]

don't know how vilppu expects me turn churn these out in 15 seconds but here are some of the 1 minute gestures

[Anonymous No.6393872]

>>6393870

[Anonymous No.6393874]

>>6393847
Ah, fuck this. Before wasting time on another garbage drawing I'll just continue doing the course.

[Anonymous No.6393887]

>>6393874
are you using a mouse?

[Anonymous No.6393896]

>>6393887
No, a Samsung S Pen

[Anonymous No.6393922]

>>6393896
Maybe its a low level of Parkinson your problem?

[Anonymous No.6393923]

>>6393922
No, highly doubt that. I normally don't have shaky hands. I started drawing one and a half weeks ago, so I just need practice in handling a pen.

[Anonymous No.6393924]

[Anonymous No.6393931]

>>6392858
wondering if anyone else loves painting but has no talent for drawing/sketching and what kind of copes/workarounds youve found?

right now i just trace things like paused frames from movies and then paint over them however i like. i just keep the paintings for myself anyways so i dont care if it makes me a fraud

[Anonymous No.6393937]

>>6393874
You should really really really drop digital and do your exercises with pen and paper.

>>6393931
If you're not aiming to be a pro and just do it for fun, keep doing what you're doing. Drawing in on itself 80% observation, so if you want to improve your drawings start small like painting only in black and white to see the shapes better.
> i just keep the paintings for myself anyways so i dont care if it makes me a fraud
nothing wrong with what you're doing right now. It is a good exercise on itself.

[Anonymous No.6393941]

>>6393937
>drop digital and do exercises with pen and paper
Seriously? On paper I don't have access to things like multi layers. Or do you think drawing on paper will help me in handling a pen better?
Besides I just drew something somewhat decent on digital.

[Anonymous No.6393943]

>>6393941
Okay nevermind, now that I look at it, it's kinda shit. Okay, I'll switch to paper. Hope this helps me.

[Anonymous No.6393945]

>>6393943
Thanks for the advice btw

[Anonymous No.6393971]

>>6393874
Are you wrist drawing? You should be using your arm and shoulder also when drawing. Also newfags should be using paper instead of digital. Draw for a year on paper than go over to digital

[Anonymous No.6393973]

>>6393971
>Use your arm and shoulder when drawing
I'll keep that in mind, thanks for the advice.

[Anonymous No.6393978]

>>6393941
Digital has lots of cool tools and with time you should familiarize yourself with them. However, for a complete beginner, it can also hinder your development considerably. To break down something into simple shapes you need to confidently draw these shapes first and some hand/eye coordination + muscle memory must be achieved for that.

Working with pen and paper, or pencil and paper is going to make you aware of your mistakes (no undoing), and make you think about proportions inside the space of a single sheet of paper (no resizing).

By all means, keep doing the stuff that you have fun doing, but getting some mileage drawing straight lines, circles, curves, and working on developing confident lines WILL do you a lot of good on your journey.

[Anonymous No.6393979]

>>6393973
I would recommend not using your wrist at all actually.

[Anonymous No.6393987]

>>6393978
Woah, didn't expect such a comprehensive answer. Thank you very much for this. You make some very good arguments. Fine then. I'll put away my tablet for the time being and draw on paper instead.
>>6393979
What? You mean my wrist should be completely static and not move at all? Getting used to this is gonna be tough, but I'll try.

[Anonymous No.6393997]

>>6393840
reference for that kick?

[Anonymous No.6394002]

A wip of mine

[Anonymous No.6394034]

>>6393874
>>6393819
You're supposed to do your construction with 3D shapes bro, doing them with 2d or "symbols" (pretty much what you're doing rn) counterintuitively requires more skill.

[Anonymous No.6394074]

>>6394034
Now that's a Nice picture. Thanks for the advice, I'll keep it in mind.

[Anonymous No.6394117]

>>6393872
more piss and shit

[Anonymous No.6394208]

>>6394117
these gestures ain't half bad, nice work.

[Anonymous No.6394218]

more workon wip

[Anonymous No.6394219]

This is the best I could do to render makeup, How do i make that shit 3d bruh

[Anonymous No.6394234]

Practicing color picking with a Leyendecker

[Anonymous No.6394238]

>>6394219
Was the crooked buck teeth necessary?

[Anonymous No.6394240]

>>6394219
less is more when it comes to drawing makeup, if u put black under the eye it looks bad, I think you need to work on faceshape and overall apeal,

[Anonymous No.6394316]

Hi all, I'm new here and just starting to learn. I want to learn how to draw digital art, probably anime style, but I don't think that really matters right now, and I got a simple drawing pad to use for now. The problem is that everything I draw is really shaky, so my question is: is there any specific method to improve digital hand-eye coordination, or do I just need to keep drawing till I get comfortable with making lines?

[Anonymous No.6394319]

>>6394316
>is there any specific method to improve digital hand-eye coordination
Yeah, use a pen and paper

[Anonymous No.6394324]

https://youtu.be/B6cLTWnbeOc
Got some practice in today. I need to watch the vilppu shit again as I totally forgot how to even attempt his style. It felt good to just try it my way tho, even if it's clearly worse.

[Anonymous No.6394327]

>>6394316
For reference, This is my first attempt at copying Picasso's Igor Stravinsky upside down from the sticky with a digital pad. I only got about halfway through because my shaky lines made me end up overlapping.

[Anonymous No.6394329]

[Anonymous No.6394330]

>>6394329
nice 9

[Anonymous No.6394344]

>>6393529
>>6393840
Thanks lads

[Anonymous No.6394351]

[Anonymous No.6394356]

>>6394351
you might want to work on consistency.
>>6394234
very nice

[Anonymous No.6394357]

>>6394351
Very cool expressions. Is this postable? Oil painting

[Anonymous No.6394363]

[Anonymous No.6394417]

>>6394238
Theyre not crooked wtff
>>6394240
The eyeliner is muh style though

[Anonymous No.6394443]

>>6394324
>the vilppu shit
qrd?

[Anonymous No.6394446]

>looking for voice actors for a personal animated series I'm working on
>industry rate for just one actor is "$1,000 per 11-22 minute episode"
It's fucking over. Holy fuck is it over.

[Anonymous No.6394447]

Hello beg. The new tablet is still giving me trouble.

>>6394351
>he can draw one face multiple times in multiple angles with consistency
Is this the power of INT?
>>6394327
That are VERY shaky lines. I suggest you to adjust the ergonomics of your setup. Put tablet into your lap, put it on table so you can rest the elbow on the table. Put piece of paper on the tablet so it has better friction. Or accept the fact that you will suck for first month. Btw i recommend keys to drawing (book). Ideal BEG book.
>>6394234
Are you training to become pixel artist or is that just a side effect of brush with no anti aliasing? Either way its very good!
>>6393997
Real Action Pose Collection 02: Buddy Action
>>6393924
cute
>>6394356
cute and looks like it will be SOUL

[Anonymous No.6394456]

>>6394446
fiverr my friend, get an amateur

[Anonymous No.6394459]

>>6394447
nice likeness on that Xi Jinping drawing

[Anonymous No.6394517]

idk if this is common knowledge but i just thought of this trick and its been working pretty well for me.

when analyzing lines when replicating a picture ive been picturing the lines running through a clock and drawing them according to the hours it travels through and its helped a ton

obviously doesnt apply in every use case but has been useful

[Anonymous No.6394519]

low quality; scarce.

[Anonymous No.6394520]

>>6394234
This is so good anon, hope to see more

[Anonymous No.6394521]

>>6394446
Be your own voice actor

[Anonymous No.6394522]

I recently bought a tablet and am trying to draw as an attempt to cope with the damage to my nervous system due to China virus..

[Anonymous No.6394545]

>decide to do more drawing studies instead of technique studies
>pick an anime girl to draw last night
>started drawing it late last night but kept getting hung up on even just the right shoe and spent an hour just trying to get the length to width ratio of it right with numerous attempts at drawing just the leg + shoe by itself
>got pretty frustrated and went to bed
>laid in bed thinking about it and realized that i was spending too much time on a single aspect of it and that i should just try to tackle it in its entirety today then afterwards try to focus on redoing individual parts so that i can at least feel good knowing that i drew something to completion
>fast forward to today, make a fresh attempt at the same study
>nail basically every limb and part of it on the first pass, feel no real need to redo anything
progress feels good

[Anonymous No.6394575]

>>6394545
that's nice anon but it's like 4x4cm

[Anonymous No.6394582]

>>6394545
this has so much soul

[Anonymous No.6394628]

Does your diet and sleep affect your art drive? Lately it's been harder for me to get myself to draw every day.

[Anonymous No.6394653]

>>6394357
Sure, I think you are on the right track.

[Anonymous No.6394682]

>>6394628
of course, dummy. Hydrate yourself, get some sunlight, lift some weights, and eat some good belly food. You will be energized like you wouldn't believe

[Anonymous No.6394719]

>>6394447
Thank you! I'm using a 1 pixel brush just so there would be no color mixing at all and also prevents me from getting too distracted with the little details

>>6394356
>>6394520
Thanks guys :)

[Anonymous No.6394760]

>>6394545
Good job, sleep does wonders

[Anonymous No.6394785]

>>6394443
Glen Vilppu
Old as dirt
Pre cgi Disney animator. He's the guy they entrusted with teaching the style to the other animators.
Counterintuitively he embraced new tech and has decent shit on YouTube.
https://youtu.be/rbN8wbRz9i8
https://youtu.be/pa_2rL1K1mg
https://youtu.be/aOtVUHgJqQk
They are all worth watching

[Anonymous No.6394801]

>>6394447
Thank you for your feedback, I'll try a few more setups to see if that improves my shakiness, and I'll look into keys to drawing as well.

[Anonymous No.6394805]

>>6394446
You need to learn how to network, particularly with amateurs. It might seem manipulative to get someone to do something for you just out of a sense of friendship or even just exposure, but it's either that or spending thousands of dollars on expenses.

[Anonymous No.6394881]

When people say drawing from imagination do they really mean no references, not even looking at your own hands?

[Anonymous No.6394886]

>>6394785
Gud shit.

[Anonymous No.6394892]

>>6394881
from construction?

[Anonymous No.6394980]

bros I need input
is the perspective comprehensible here do you find her legs weird
she's supposed to be flying

[Anonymous No.6395010]

>>6394980
her knees are fucked, I don't know what pose you're trying to pull off but it looks like her left leg is way longer than her right

[Anonymous No.6395017]

>>6394881
Are you an Oblivion NPC?

[Anonymous No.6395047]

i want to up my figure drawing skills; where can i find some good references of varying poses? pinterest is fucking shit and i can't seem to find anything all that great in regards to poses and good lighting to practice from

is my best option to just find softcore porn and use those as references? annoyingly there's no actual figure drawing sessions near me so doing anything in person is no option

[Anonymous No.6395056]

>>6395047
https://line-of-action.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing#

[Anonymous No.6395060]

>>6395056
i've been through that quite a bit already, it isn't terrible, but it isn't great

the images with actual quality lighting are few and far between, it isn't too useful when it comes to seeing anatomy and volume

[Anonymous No.6395107]

I dedicate every single moment of my life praying on couples downfall.

[Anonymous No.6395111]

Thighs >>>>>>>>>> Boobs and Ass

[Anonymous No.6395254]

>>6392858

[Anonymous No.6395275]

>>6395254
you have to be 18 to post here

[Anonymous No.6395336]

How do I begin learning outfit design? I've been trying to work on some characters but I'm a middle aged man who has never thought about clothes in his life so when it comes down to designing an outfit I can't do any better than "t-shirt and pants or dress" and it's frankly embarrassing.

Any push in the right direction for resources on fashionable outfits and costume design would be much appreciated,

[Anonymous No.6395381]

>>6395254
This reminds me of a picture I drew years ago for a drawthread on /b/.

[Anonymous No.6395412]

>>6395336
A good way to think of outfit design has to do with the balance of functionality and aesthetics. You can only visualize an outfit based on the overall narrative you’re trying to convey; a character that is roguish would wear something dark and shadowy. A character that is strong and burly will wear something heavy and large. The outfit should personify the person you’re drawing because it’s an easy outward expression of themselves you can show. You can try to browse fashion catalogues, but it’ll be more difficult to pinpoint exactly what you want to draw without first knowing what style or character you’re conveying.

[Anonymous No.6395489]

[Anonymous No.6395504]

[Anonymous No.6395507]

wip of asuka

[Anonymous No.6395523]

>>6394117
more 1 minute gestures

[Anonymous No.6395526]

>>6395336
websites that sell clothes like asos have it nicely categorised for you

[Anonymous No.6395530]

>>6394545
>>6393067
cute
>>6392944
lick lick
>>6393209
>>6393369
hot

[Anonymous No.6395586]

>>6392858
Total n00b here, got a tablet with stylus last week and haven't been able to stop playing with it since.
I know tracing is cheating, but I'm just practicing my lines.
Decided to try and paint one of my sketched today, only semi-done with the face though.

Watcha think?

[Anonymous No.6395591]

>>6395586
Try it without tracing, tracing is mindless desu
it lacks variation and looks like it was traced whiuch isnt a good thing for lineart

[Anonymous No.6395601]

>>6392944

[Anonymous No.6395607]

>>6395591
Tracing is fine if he’s still at the stage where you’re trying to develop hand-eye coordination and muscle memory using a tablet. Quality can come later.

[Anonymous No.6395608]

>>6395591
I'm also practicing without tracing, but I'm so new it hurts, so I'm really just trying to learn from the lines I draw when tracing.
I feel like this picture helped me get a better understanding of how clothes behave.

And I a fucking retard when it comes to colouring, never done it in my life, so being able to copy directly also gave me a better understanding of how colours work.

But endgoal is of course to be able to do it in freehand

[Anonymous No.6395609]

>>6395601
right ear disappeared

[Anonymous No.6395650]

>>6393082
I finally managed to finish it I think It came out pretty good overall

[Anonymous No.6395654]

[Anonymous No.6395656]

>>6395654
If she's supposed to be a shortstack you'd be better off cutting out her back from being visible

[Anonymous No.6395662]

colored it

[Anonymous No.6395664]

Does anyone have any tips about how to go about copying or tracing? What's the best method to approach it from? Should you try to section the piece into parts and work on each individual part from there or start out with a general outline of the artwork and work your way in?

[Anonymous No.6395666]

>>6395664
find artist style you like, copy image next to it, break the picture down into parts and use construction to create a rough sketch then compare the two.
also practice line confidence as well.

[Anonymous No.6395667]

>>6395664
My process is to split my canvas into three and go
>trace over the image, including construction I'd use
>at the same time, copy as close to one to one on the next section
>once finished, hide all images and wait a while, before trying to copy it from memory

[Anonymous No.6395668]

>>6394980
I like what you're trying to do but its not working as is. The torso should twist more in the direction of the raised arm. The long leg doesn't fit. Draw it as a cylinder and you'll see why.

[Anonymous No.6395669]

>>6395662
looks good in thumbnail but where are her arms

[Anonymous No.6395672]

I've been doing portraits of characters from my NaNoWriMo novel. I plan to intersperse them between sections.

[Anonymous No.6395680]

>>6395664
Get your reference. Try to draw it as accurately as possible. Overlay the reference to see where your copy is different than the reference. Correct your mistakes (DO NOT TRACE JUST REDRAW THE MISTAKES WHILE LOOKING AT THE REFERENCE). When you have it perfectly accurate redraw it again but from imagination. Do the same thing with your drawing from imagination.

Artists have unironically been doing this for like a thousand years to train accuracy.

[Anonymous No.6395715]

Today's art. I can see the flaws in it, but I'm happy with my progress. Done from imagination/construction. I'm not happy with the foreshortening on the leg, and it wasn't my intention to leave the feet off, doing feet and hands was one of my goals, but that's how it came out.

[Anonymous No.6395718]

>>6395680
>do not trace
If you are pre beg (the sorry who would ask>>6395664 question) then you will benefit from the muscle memory and eye coordination training.

You must, of course, stop trying on tracing, but artists have been tracing their own work on new media for centuries. It's a legit skill than begs must learn, and the low difficulty easy reward encourages progress.

[Anonymous No.6395719]

>>6395718
Sort, not sorry. Never be sorry,>>6395664.

[Anonymous No.6395726]

>>6395718
There are much better exercises for muscle memory

[Anonymous No.6395729]

What software would I need to check out to do videos/animations like this artist https://www.youtube.com/@RAMDARAM Is it After Effects and any drawing programs? I'm completely beg and boomer, please be nice

[Anonymous No.6395740]

>>6395726
But they won't necessary be as engaging to pre beg.
As for me, I got better at drawing from painting miniatures. It's basically a 3D coloring book. Tracing over coomer prints with paint made me better at drawing with no practice drawing.
I went from this to learning to draw and found that I could draw better than I ever could in my life.

[Anonymous No.6395742]

>>6395715
i wont say what you already noticed on what you lack, but i sugest that you plan things more often, ask yourself where the whole picture will fit and how big it will going to be. look into thumbnail sketching

[Anonymous No.6395743]

>esdeath schizo is still alive
feels bad man

[Anonymous No.6395744]

>>6395650
good job, be proud and keep going

[Anonymous No.6395746]

What first 3 chapters of KYD has done me so far.....

[Anonymous No.6395748]

>>6395743
That's not esdeath. It's another /beg/. Kinda funny they draw exactly the same though. Especially since esdeath has been here for years and this guy is new

[Anonymous No.6395750]

>>6395743
which drawing?

[Anonymous No.6395753]

Hello beg. The book pulled out of nowhere anatomy. But then it didnt include any anatomy in the schedule nor any anatomy material. Very artistic book!

>>6395729
Hello boomer, many drawing apps like krita or CSP allow for both drawing and animation. From brief look at the guys channel the only special effects i saw were adding noise and chroma aberration, these are basic effects and any better app should have filters for that. I suggest checking out Krita. Its free and even some pros recc that. I will just say that animation is very long arduous process where you need to draw same thing from slightly different angles and that requires great patience and CONSISTENT art style and skill.
>>6395715
you drew her face from FRONT but we can see TOP of her head. The anime style can hide a lot of errors but this breached the threshold even for anime standards. Eyes cannot be in middle if you tilt the head forward and the eyes cannot be symmetric if only 1 ear is visible. TLDR use reference
>>6395672
SOUL
>>6395662
you got very lazy but its still serviceable and kinda cute
>>6395254
The pic sums up very well how it feels to grind art. I will steal this idea for my next OC and wont reference you as the original author. Thanks anon!
>>6394628
obviously yes
>>6395746
BEG life is harsh and the suffering is unbearable at times. Hold on your pencil anon and dont let it go!
>>6395748
How do you know? Maybe they finally improved to the point you consider them someone else?

[Anonymous No.6395757]

How do you find references for dynamic poses, especially for ones with a lot of impact? Relying on anime stuff doesn't sound like a good idea, yet stock photos are noticably less dynamic.

[Anonymous No.6395761]

[Anonymous No.6395766]

>>6395761

[Anonymous No.6395769]

Im too mentally broken to give unsolicited critique, but if you like my work and want a crit from me just ask. I can give you an opinion on whatever.

[Anonymous No.6395772]

>>6395753
>drew top of her head etc.
Technically I drew her hair wrong. Point taken tho. Here's my construction lines, if you can see them. I'm more concerned about the nose and foreshortening.
>Use reference
Lol, no. I'll learn in the order I want. The point of today's exercise was imagination and construction.
Besides, I did that yesterday, anyway, see >>6394324.
I wanted to try construction today.
>Animae
Not intentionally. That's just how it came out. Not everything is fucking japanese.

[Anonymous No.6395781]

>>6395753
You know I shouldn't bitch tho, you've given me summer valuable insight.
(>>6395772)
It looks animae because I was using Akihito Yoshitomi's construction method. I'm going to go back and look at his eyes again. He blocks them in with half hexagons. His minimalist facial style deserves another look.
>Top of head
I'm taller than most women, and I'm used to seeing the top of their hair.
You've given me insight on how my imagination works. I think I kinda understand cubism better, but don't take this as an "I meant to do that," but in the future, I might.
>Pic
Yeah, he does it right, I remembered it wrong.

[Anonymous No.6395802]

45 min sketch

[Anonymous No.6395814]

[Anonymous No.6395823]

>>6395757
They don't rely on shit, it's asian jeans + lots of practice

[Anonymous No.6395838]

I drew Pokémon characters goofing around in Level 3999 of the Backrooms. What do I need to improve on for next time

[Anonymous No.6395851]

Some faces for today

[Anonymous No.6395864]

>>6395838
Anatomy needs work. Calves don't stick out like that, and if it's a stylistic choice, make them match.
All your poses are very stiff. Also check out Giraffe chan at the back there.
The little girl needs a stool, yet she's uncomfortably squatting on it?
Overall good effort, I can tell you worked hard on this. Keep it up and you're gmi

[Anonymous No.6395867]

>tfw Im not beg anymore

Im sorry bros I have to go,..

Enjoy ur begness while ur here. Its a beautiful thing. Ur in the garden of Eden right now.

[Anonymous No.6395868]

wip

[Anonymous No.6395870]

>>6395867
pyw, and this is beg and int anyway faggot

[Anonymous No.6395884]

>>6395867
>/beg/ & /int/ - Beginner and Intermediate Thread
pyw

[Anonymous No.6395891]

Bridgman page 31 and a random anime bust as a bonus

[Anonymous No.6395892]

>>6395868
Giant hand

[Anonymous No.6395898]

I’m back, critique pl0x

[Anonymous No.6395900]

trash day of drawing today

tomorrow is another day

[Anonymous No.6395912]

crit pls

[Anonymous No.6395928]

What are some exercises I can do to better my understanding of cloth and drapery? The dynamic 3d nature of folds is filtering me so god damn hard

[Anonymous No.6395931]

>>6394446
Casting call club?

[Anonymous No.6395933]

Tried this >>6394034, i feel like it does make a difference

[Anonymous No.6395953]

>>6395753
Will do anon. I'm glad I can finally see shapes but my hand is still a problem to copy them.

[Anonymous No.6395976]

>>6395912
stop drawing pretty instagram girls and get a soul

[Anonymous No.6395984]

Here's the finished thing.

[Anonymous No.6395990]

>>6395984
The head doesn't match the body at all imo

[Anonymous No.6395994]

>>6395757
i would say to look up at anime and movies, pause at one scene in motion, preferably the moment of the impact.
or you can just look at some mangas out there, the resourses are endless

[Anonymous No.6395995]

>>6395984
work on anything other than bodies

[Anonymous No.6396001]

>>6395976
I don't draw many woman, so I was looking for some feedback. Also getting "soul" isn't constructive criticism retard.

[Anonymous No.6396003]

>>6392858
Am I studying shape design the right way? I just started studying it and the drawings I tried to split into shapes all have these very tiny shapes.

[Anonymous No.6396016]

>>6395984
How 90% of referenced art looks to me.

[Anonymous No.6396072]

>>6395984
funniest shit i’ve ever seen

[Anonymous No.6396104]

>>6395984
this is my favorite drawing

[Anonymous No.6396110]

>>6395990
>>6395995
>>6396016
Yeah, I see now. Thanks for the advice, I looked into Loomis a bit more and made my drawing less 'anime' this time.

[Anonymous No.6396112]

>>6395912
Don't listen to this >>6395976 massive faggot here.

[Anonymous No.6396113]

>>6395898
Did you really fail to see how your eyes are waaay too big and the nose way too small? Were you even looking at the reference? Yours looks like some 2-year old girl, this is borderline pedo shit

[Anonymous No.6396115]

>>6395851
Very good, also not really /beg/, you've been drawing for years. However, I see some faint tranny tendencies. Please do NOT become a tranny and under NO circumstances should you make a tumblr account or massage your prostate! Also don't drink from plastic bottles.

[Anonymous No.6396147]

>>6396110
Nice rendering. Maybe do some outline for the body to match face style.

[Anonymous No.6396153]

>>6392858
Shakybros, have any of you found a solution? My hands shake slightly just resting. I do drink coffee, so maybe that's the first place I should start. I typically exercise in the mornings as well, and wait for my muscles to "cool down" before doing anything. But I figured I'd ask any and all if there was some experience or key to steadying your hands? Maybe like half a xanax or something, but to be honest other than coffee I really don't have drugs in my system.

[Anonymous No.6396188]

>>6396153
Never take pills for basic shit. Look into eating a more balanced diet of vegetables and meat instead. I was low on magnesium which caused me some shakes and cramps.

[Anonymous No.6396191]

>>6396188
>Look into eating a more balanced diet of vegetables and meat instead. I was low on magnesium
This is probably it. Holiday season has me eating like a goofball plus cold+physical therapy has me much less active than usual. I'll keep at it and try working out the most balanced diet I can in the meantime.

[Anonymous No.6396203]

>>6396153
Big brushes and broad strokes work for me. I wish I could do the same with thinner lines though

[Anonymous No.6396215]

Should i even practice anime faces anymore, I always seem to draw the same face. samdoesart faces are much more interesting

[Anonymous No.6396218]

>>6396215
forgot

[Anonymous No.6396219]

>>6396003
Try to reproduce the shapes you mark lest you forget them.

[Anonymous No.6396220]

>>6396153
use soft brush, sometimes i like to use the airbrush in small size to sketch and feels more natural

[Anonymous No.6396228]

>>6396215
Copy what you like.

[Anonymous No.6396241]

>>6396115
Thank you, I thought this was also an /int/ thread though and the most active one at that

You do not have to worry about my trannification

[Anonymous No.6396307]

>>6396220
bruh

[Anonymous No.6396346]

god damn who /flu/ in here? cameron i am going to kick your fucking ass for doing this to me

[Anonymous No.6396365]

[Anonymous No.6396373]

>>6395912
The hair looks very rushed compared to the rest, maybe try being more deliberate when putting the individual hair as accents. Also, that line above the right nostril could be completely erased at this level of detail. Proportions look alright, good job

[Anonymous No.6396374]

>>6395769
hewo I'm >>6393369 , I really like the care you seem to put on your work, I'm such a messy idiot, I have a particular question, how would you go about learning lineart (and finishing stuff in general) if you were in my situation? I'm incapable of doing it, maybe I have a deep ingrained habit of leaving stuff unfinished... what do you think when looking at my work?

[Anonymous No.6396379]

How to know how big are boobies? Like, let's say I want to draw something like a 34C, how do I know if they're too big or too small? Is there some guide or shit like that

[Anonymous No.6396390]

>>6396379
most bra sizings are pretty inconsistent. the number is for the circumference of below the breasts, the letter is vaguely becided by the circumference of the chest itself (around nipples). basically, the size stands for how much the boobs "stick out" from the torso.
unless you actually want to measure that out in inches/centimeters/whatever, just do what feels right.

[Anonymous No.6396411]

>>6394218
Why would you start coloring it man, it still wasn't good enough, just look at those hands

[Anonymous No.6396413]

[Anonymous No.6396421]

>>6396411
I'm goign to be redoing it, I didnt get any feedback on the rough or the lineart so that's why I went to colour it.
I did a rough sketch to correct those things.
hope its better now

[Anonymous No.6396516]

>use a reference
So I tried using a reference today. First of all, I fucked up the face and I was randomly working in pen. Beyond that, it wasn't as fun. I just didn't like it that much.

[Anonymous No.6396521]

>>6396516
The reference

[Anonymous No.6396528]

>>6396374
>I'm such a messy idiot, I have a particular question, how would you go about learning lineart (and finishing stuff in general) if you were in my situation?

Ok, well thats pretty simple at your level. Basically take your drawing layer and put it on about 10/20% opacity. Make a new layer, slam that "stabilizer" to a much higher level (every drawing program has one nowadays), then slowly go over the parts that are extremely messy until its clean. Then erase the old line work under it and merge the two layers. (pic related is an example)

You basically do this over and over until it looks clean. Most of the time you will need to redo all the linework over the sketch multiple times. Yet as you get better, your hands learn to be more confident in their strokes, and your brain gets better at visualization. Your sketches will end up being very close to the end piece and you will need to do this less and less.

One thing to note is when you first start doing this, you will quickly find that your clean artwork actually looks much worse then the sketch itself. This is because when you draw really messy and chicken scratch your imagination fills in a lot of the details, but when you have clean artwork it does not. You are left with exactly what you drew. What you need to remember at this point is that what your brains fills in for you is not the same as what someone elses brain interprets. Faces are easy, even "normies" will see them everywhere, but you can get to a point when you hand your drawing of a kangaroo sniffing a flower to your buddy and he wont understand what he is looking at. In art communities, people train their minds to interprets lines but normal people do not. Lots of people close their eyes and see fucking nothing.

[Anonymous No.6396529]

>>6396528
>>6396374
>what do you think when looking at my work?
I may be pretty off base here, but when I look at your work I think A: You looked at what you wanted to draw and tried to 1:1 copy it. or B: you out right traced it. I think this because, judging from the top left, you seem to have a good understanding of where the pieces need to go. The contour of her face shape, the location of the eyes / the nose / etcetera. Yet your lines are very messy and unconfident. These two things usually go hand in hand when drawing from your imagination. People will more likely have confident lines even if their anatomy is wrong.

None of this is bad obviously, its a good way to practice and get better. The only reason I bring it up is because you said you have trouble finishing finishing a drawing. When you do too many studies, you rely on the artwork you are studying to visualize to much for you. Its important to also draw from your own brain to train your imagination into seeing the finished piece. Even if its blurry and wonky in your brain you can at least see the end point that you need to work towards.

If I'm wrong and all this is from your imagination then I apologize. Keep it up, you have really high visualization skills and lots of potential.

[Anonymous No.6396531]

>>6395742
Yeah, I realized that after. I'd be more concerned if this was a career. Muddling through is kinda fun, but I imagine it will get old.

[Anonymous No.6396539]

How long should I be working on any one drawing? Does it matter?
I do feel like I'm constantly learning a ton of things when I draw but it also takes me ages to finish something because of that.

[Anonymous No.6396551]

Sup /ic/, been trying to draw random stuff and was told that it pretty much looks like shit. Granted I have very little experience, thus I fail to see how to go about fixing it. Or what steps to take next time to make stuff better. Looked at various dude faces but it was not enough.

[Anonymous No.6396552]

so what do I do next

[Anonymous No.6396578]

>>6396539
have a goal for each piece; this piece I just want an accurate sketch, I want accurate values on this one, etc

[Anonymous No.6396583]

>>6396528
interesting feedback, and I'm definitely doing the exercise you told me, tysm for that!! and yes, I've experienced that friends think a random very basic exercise rendered is better than my most inspired work just because it looks clean... I have to work on this lol
>>6396529
yea, 3 of those (bottom right and left, and pone) are from imagination, I usually just look at a reference and use it to form a pose, I got pretty accurate at that, for me it's a compliment that you thought I traced that top left face. I love drawing from imagination, I need to most of the time because I can't find good references of chubby girls, so I have to create them, picrel is an example, and the Denji on my first post

[Anonymous No.6396590]

>>6396516
phat ass

[Anonymous No.6396630]

>>6396551
I'm NGMI as it gets but I'd put unrealistic light sources here and there to move the values around a bit

[Anonymous No.6396632]

>>6396551
its very muddy

[Anonymous No.6396650]

>>6395586
>>6395608
Did three drawings this evening, no tracing, but I think that goes without saying.
I do see some progress though, even if they aren't good yet.

1st drawing

[Anonymous No.6396651]

>>6396650
2nd

[Anonymous No.6396653]

I tried to be patient and take breaks, it seems to help a little. I'm still kinda loosey goosey, though. This still took about an hour and a half of work, what's a good way to get faster?

[Anonymous No.6396654]

>>6396650
>>6396651
3rd

[Anonymous No.6396655]

>>6396654
Ups forgot pic

[Anonymous No.6396675]

>>6396529
>but you can get to a point when you hand your drawing of a kangaroo sniffing a flower to your buddy and he wont understand what he is looking at.
literally me fr when my friend said my spaceships looked like rocks and I quietly seethed.

[Anonymous No.6396682]

>>6395523
will try to study some gestures for leg lines because holy shit these look bad

[Anonymous No.6396695]

>don't feel like drawing
>read manga or see art posted on 4chan
>start studying the pictures, try to understand how they make the image so appealing
>suddenly have the urge to recreate the drawing since i'm too /beg/ to draw from imagination
it's that simple

[Anonymous No.6396736]

>>6396682
They look bad because you spent a minute on them

[Anonymous No.6396784]

>>6392858
I am having such a hard time trying to figure out the right leg proportion and foreshortening.
Help

[Anonymous No.6396823]

I'm halfway done with the Huston's intermediate head construction course. I feel kind of underwhelmed basically. I wasn't very satisfied with the explanation for the eyes, I didn't really feel like I learned much nor do I feel like my eye construction is that..good

I was about to spend money on NMA after that first course which was kino

[Anonymous No.6396830]

>>6396823
courses are a meme. The only way to improve is through studies. How many eyes have you actually drawn, from reference? Try hitting 500 eyes in the next 2 weeks. That's 36 eyes a day. Draw 10 more eyes per day from imagination. That'll put you at 644 eyes total over the next 2 weeks

[Anonymous No.6396831]

>>6396421
Did you really need someone to tell you that the hands were bad? Also why are you redoing the face it was one of the only good thing

[Anonymous No.6396839]

>>6396695
if even Proko can't draw from imagination then there's nothing wrong with relying on references for most of your work imo

[Anonymous No.6396842]

>>6396421
Shoulders are fucked, and that pose, she's just stood there in slut armor bored holding out a flaming sword

[Anonymous No.6396847]

>>6396651
>>6396655
These two are pretty good, even though Walters a bit rounder

[Anonymous No.6396876]

Random shit to say I drew today. Still suck at a lot but trying to get better everyday.

[Anonymous No.6396878]

>>6396374
Based Nanachi

[Anonymous No.6396882]

>>6396590
Yeah, I can't help it. My imagination is fat. I can't draw it thin like the photo actually is.

[Anonymous No.6397000]

>>6396847
Thanks, don't know know what happened, but definitely gonna focus a bit more on proportions next time

[Anonymous No.6397011]

>my art made it into the OP
>missed the whole thread
I’m just thankful someone liked it enough to save it

[Anonymous No.6397070]

>>6396630
>>6396632
Thanks for directions, anons. I suppose it kinda does look like a mush. Notes taken.

[Anonymous No.6397130]

>>6397128
>>6397128
>>6397128