wct/ - Water Cooler Talk

[Anonymous No.6385955]

If you're on a break after drawing and feel like sharing what's on your mind about what you're working on, the industry, things that excite you about art, or anything that frustrates you about drawing or the process of art then grab a cup of water and chill out here. Remember to keep the discussion on-topic as much as possible.

[Anonymous No.6386082]

>my art gf hasn't noticed me yet

[Anonymous No.6386097]

>>6385955
I've become good enough for my art to be resonably good, good enough to sell and and for randoms to compliment it.
Yet I still approach art in general as a if I were a /beg/shitter. Oh no, I cant' draw that... Tad of research later, turns out I can, and it looks pretty good. But it wasn't as spontaneous as I wished. Is that what they call impostor syndrome? Anyone else feels the same way?

[Anonymous No.6386106]

>>6386097
>me on the left
And no if you can capture the form and draw from life consistently well enough then you aren't a beg. You will always need references
t. /beg/ who can't do either consistently

[Anonymous No.6386159]

>>6386097
>Is that what they call impostor syndrome?

[Anonymous No.6386240]

my art is shit and I gaslight people into liking it by using dishonest symbol drawing

[Anonymous No.6386423]

[Anonymous No.6386429]

>>6386097
>But it wasn't as spontaneous as I wished.
I have a similar mental problem. Even if I do a drawing well, people like it, and its an objective success, my brain just says 'you prepared too much for this, i bet <artist> would have done this flawlessly without reference in the span of an hour".

[Anonymous No.6386460]

>>6386423
based kjg poster.

[Anonymous No.6386511]

>>6386429
Honestly, talking to some industry people and asking for crits, one of the easier things to get roasted about is if your references are shit.
So I wouldn't go idolising noref artists, rather I will be pleasantly surprised if I see the artist's ref board when I look at their artstation post or whatever.

[Anonymous No.6386520]

So I was wondering if there is a squizo-art thread, I think it could be interesting to see that and it could inspire other anons.

[Anonymous No.6386602]

A person who retweets a ton of AIshit retweeted one of my pieces. Will blocking him block everyone following him from seeing that post? I just about had it with twitter solely because of these apes. And no fucking way am I making an artstation.

[Anonymous No.6386604]

>>6386602
theoretically should take your post off their account but you may need to double check on an incognito window

[Anonymous No.6386610]

>>6386604
Blocked and it's still there. Maybe it was a changed feature?

[Anonymous No.6386673]

Taking good shits lately, feels good.

[Anonymous No.6386709]

>>6386602
what’s wrong with art station?

[Anonymous No.6386720]

>>6386602
There was an app or extension that did this so look for that.

[Anonymous No.6386728]

>>6385955
I was banned for a couple days because a jannie is an AI shill, and my life got exponentially better.
I'm considering taking the jump and stop using 4chan all together, which I probably won't, but it feels nice to consider.

[Anonymous No.6386735]

>>6386728
I think I would be good to restrict the time in which you are allowed to open 4chan each day. <1hour

[Anonymous No.6386749]

>>6386082
show your art

[Anonymous No.6386772]

>>6386709
A lot of things, but in the specific case of AI all the big names have used it as part of their datasets. AS has yet to do a single thing about it.

[Anonymous No.6386836]

>>6386240
this is 99% of twitter artists. especially westerners who draw anime.

[Anonymous No.6386879]

>>6386728
do it
I visit this place maybe once or twice a month and it's great. this site rots your brain like you wouldn't believe.

[Anonymous No.6386880]

I used to want to only draw pretty and appealing things but now I want to draw ugly or unappealing things, does anyone else know this feel?

[Anonymous No.6386914]

>>6386880
i make my self portraits as unflattering as possible

[Anonymous No.6386981]

>finally get into le epic secret club discord with twitter famous artists
>they're all obnoxious
>server is dead most of the time
Fell for the meme

[Anonymous No.6387021]

>>6386981
Now you know anons aren't exaggerating when they say online artists are 95% insufferable and discord is a shithole mainly used by groomers.
It just keeps being true.

[Anonymous No.6387071]

>>6386914
Me too, except I am actually ugly and I just accurately depict my ugliness in full form. I rephrased my original comment wron and meant to day I want to draw in an "uglier" style. I despise my current art style and the way I draw faces, but it's so hard to change my style. It's an extremely mediocre style and ugly but not ugly in the unappealing way but trying-way-to-hard-to-look-good way and I started wanting to learn how to draw like pic rel. There's real soul to it and it feels so much more easygoing and free-flowing which I think actually makes this style look more beautiful than my stiff try-hard style.

[Anonymous No.6387099]

I think I'm starting to get gratification way too early from my art and it kills any motivation I have to actually finish stuff.

Like, I'd sketch and my brain would go
>That's a pretty nice face/pose/whatever
I'd get some of that "good hormone", and I'll end up never finishing it or losing focus
It's like, it's good that I like my art more, it means that I'm improving, but I also want to FINISH stuff.

Work is also a factor, in that by the time it's bedtime I've gotsome sketches down and maybe want to finish them. Then I've got 8-9hrs of work/commute and my brain is just thinking up more new stuff the entire time instead of on finishing what I started...

[Anonymous No.6387100]

Feeling grateful today.
>Grow up poor with everyone crabbing on me for drawing
>"You're gonna be homeless", "You're not as good as ____", "It's near impossible to get into the games industry as an artist", "You've been rejected by this art school twice already"
>Literally no one believed in me, except for a few nice anons on here
>Stubbornly kept at studying and practicing like my life depended on it because I couldn't see myself do anything else
>11 years later, all my dreams come true, I even meet the love of my life.
>My art is at a level I never thought I could reach, and I keep improving as I continue to study and practice
>Right now, I am planning to take a luxury trip to Bora Bora... something that I never thought was possible for someone like me.

We're all gonna make it brahs, never ever give up on yourselves.

[Anonymous No.6387103]

>>6386772
Really doubt they will, it's more of a business site then an art site

[Anonymous No.6387108]

Tried a new prepacked meal, now I feel sick and don't wanna do anything. Made some good progress on a project last night at least, so maybe I can just take today off.

[Anonymous No.6387120]

i just ate a load of chicken nuggets and i passed out for 3 hours.
Im going to start intermediate fasting and eat only the smallest of portions.

[Anonymous No.6387141]

So apparently Twitter is dying or something.
Where's everyone moving? I seriously have no idea and it seems like neither do most artists

Tumblr? DeviantArt? One of the dozen "Twitter-likes"?

[Anonymous No.6387151]

>>6387141
Tumblr seems to be the move at the moment, sounds like they're already planning to add some new features so it's more accommodating to twitter refugees and artists without disrupting it's current style, though I have no idea what besides that they're borrowing some of the Mastodon code for it. If you need something with more normies, Hive's the one since they just paid off some huge tiktokkers to promote it but it's only accessible on phones at the moment.

That said, Twitter isn't dead yet but it's very difficult to see how it's supposed to pay off its current debt when all the main advertisers have abandoned ship and it's facing at least 10 lawsuits at the moment, so everyone's just making sure that they're still connected by posting alternatives just in case it does totally die.

[Anonymous No.6387157]

>>6387141
>>6387151
Tiktok is the future, boomers.

[Anonymous No.6387234]

I wish i could go back to my art school and take every modeldrawing class again. The tempo our teacher set was close to what I would think the old masters had to endure from their mentor. It was harsh but so rewarding, 5 to 15 minute sketches for an hour followed by grueling 1 to 3 minute sketches. We had to change materials every day and were challenged in every way we thought we were comfortable. I miss those days dearly because i was so motivated and the results were so rewarding to me.

Now that I have a job that isn't in the art industry i barely draw in my free time. Its mostly spend gaming, excersising or doing household chores.

How do you do it guys? How do you challenge yourself without the help of mentors or others? Whats keeping you challenged and engaged?

[Anonymous No.6387263]

I haven't been able to draw anything for a project that I've been working on for a while now, which has turned me off from drawing as I feel an immense pressure to do nothing but produce content for that thing. Today I sat down and mindlessly sketched for myself and found that the lines and color just came out nice and flawlessly. I guess worrying about the future is only going to make the present worse.

[Anonymous No.6387300]

>>6387234
I started an ambitious personal project that forced me to get out of my comfort zone. I even picked up some blender skills and storytelling skills because of it. The thing that keeps me on my toes is how I want to ensure a certain level of quality I can be proud of, like a legacy of sorts. That's how I kick my own ass.

[Anonymous No.6387336]

cringe

[Anonymous No.6387363]

>>6387141
I really don't think Twitter is dying until they actually do some major change that makes the site unusable for a big group of people (Tumblr banning porn). There's a bunch of fearmongering on my Twitter timeline about Elon laying a bunch of employees off and people posting their accounts on alternative sites, but considering none of them have fully taken the leap and deleted their Twitters and still upload frequently I really think it's just an outrage of the month kind of thing. The big artists playing along with the fearmongering saying they're going to leave have been and will silently back pedal once they realize they have to rebuild their online audience again on a new platform, and everyone will just forget about it when the next big nothingburger happens.
Plus Twitter sucks but it's the only "art platform" that seems to have a pretty decent mix of western and eastern artists. Pixiv feels way too eastern, and Tumblr feels way too western.

[Anonymous No.6387371]

>>6387363
Also you have to understand that these jobs that Elon laid off were literally like HR and marketing. Sure there were some actual engineers, but a ton of it was those meme jobs where you spend 2 hours a day in total doing meetings/emails and then 6 taking advantage of office luxuries like cafes and lounge rooms. If you've seen tours of Twitter's HQ it's full of just luxery faculties like that. Meanwhile if my boss sees me on my phone too long he'll tell me to go sweep the sunlight off the street or some shit. Honestly I'm jealous

[Anonymous No.6387378]

>>6387141
So they say. I haven't noticed any changes beyond the bitching and moaning from the lefty types who read mainstream media. Make whatever conclusion you will from that.
I guess if your only audience is liberals then you ought to follow them wherever shithole they run to, but everyone else is going to stay on twitter so the audience will be much broader and overall bigger there since it's an established site. And they'll likely be getting their daily dosage of news and happenings there from established sources. Any contender attempting to dethrone the still reigning twitter is going to have to introduce some crazy new ideas to wow the general public aka your potential customers. My advice is make accounts everywhere just in case but stay tuned on twitter until musk is tweeting about shutting it down.

[Anonymous No.6387473]

>I'm finally flexible enough to touch my toes
feels gud

[Anonymous No.6387771]

Anyone else literally weep when you see something beautiful and to your exact tastes? Like once a decade.

[Anonymous No.6387777]

Drawing is one of the few things I enjoy doing for the sake of it, rather than results or showing people. It just relaxes me and doesn't feel like work at all. Almost everything else I am into feels like work sometimes, but drawing never does. And improvements are nice to see, but even without them, I enjoy the process of creating something.

[Anonymous No.6387780]

>>6387378
An interesting thing I read somewhere was that people don't use Twitter to follow certain people's they use Twitter to see what's on twitter. It's like the way people used to watch late night talk shows. They would just tune in to see what was on, they didn't really give a shit who was on, they just watched it religiously regardless. Of course the big guests helped, but most people just wanted to watch the show. Something similar with newspapers and the journalists writing for them. People just buy the paper and don't really care who is writing.

[Anonymous No.6387815]

>>6387771
Yes. It's exceedingly rare though.

[Anonymous No.6387819]

I got into gardening for whatever reason, just a few containers of Peppers.
Gonna plant some Watermelon seeds soon. It's perma-hot in my region so I'm hoping they do well

[Anonymous No.6387839]

>>6387771
post the artist that made you feel that way I need something new to see

[Anonymous No.6387842]

>>6387771
No. That's why I'm making it myself.

[Anonymous No.6387995]

>>6387771
I kinda got that when I first saw Tradd Moore, and then a while later even more with Itoh Sei
I wasn't weeping, it's just this dreadful feeling of
>Holy shit, how can there be someone who can make something this good??
Like it's just insane to me that there's an actual person out there who's THAT good

[Anonymous No.6388016]

Has Pixiv released any form of clarification on their new art censorship policies? Is loli/furry gone for good?

[Anonymous No.6388064]

>>6388016

You can post it, you just can't make money off it with fanbox/etc.

[Anonymous No.6388070]

>>6387771
Of all places I found that artist on skeb, found out they did official art for a franchise I loved but had fuckall commissions done. Commissioned them, then waited a few months before comming them again and found out they didn't have any other work since my last one, and they closed after finishing my second one. Gonna comm them again once they reopen.

[Anonymous No.6388252]

I have no damn pressure control for quality linework. I'm doomed to become "the 4chan meme artist"

[Anonymous No.6388282]

How do cut I drugs and porn completely out of my life?

[Anonymous No.6388325]

>>6388282
>porn
snip your balls
>drugs
get addicted to a lower level drug like coffee instead

[Anonymous No.6388328]

>>6388325
I'm already addicted to caffeine...I just wish I could shake off these degenerate urges

[Anonymous No.6388337]

Started doing daily strength training since Monday but I haven't done any exercise in years. My arms are pain incarnate right now but it's actually helping motivate me to draw even when it hurts

[Anonymous No.6388350]

>>6388328
kys

[Anonymous No.6388359]

>>6386097
the only way to fix this is to buy a shit load of materials & a bunch of coffee caffeine and stay up for days grinding

[Anonymous No.6388412]

>>6387234
> How do you do it guys? How do you challenge yourself without the help of mentors or others? Whats keeping you challenged and engaged?
The weight of my own failures is enough.

[Anonymous No.6388640]

Even when I'm practically crippled by illness I try to add a little every day to my sketchbook. Somehow the feeling of scratching tones onto the physical paper gives me the relief that mindlessly bouncing my leg or tapping my fingers doesn't. Feels good.

[Anonymous No.6388657]

do good artists only draw good things or are they mostly drawing shit but only show the good?

[Anonymous No.6388659]

>>6388657
I never upload the bad but there are times where I don't upload the good either.
I'm not a good artist it's but probably worth considering the idea.

[Anonymous No.6388682]

>>6388657
In my experience on live drawing places like drawpile the good artists are pretty much always good unless they're having some kind of shitty day. Even then, the stuff is still pretty good.

[Anonymous No.6388690]

>>6388657
Not going to post my work so you can take it with a grain of salt, but usually I need to warm up for like 40 minutes to an hour to draw anything good. Drawpiles and aggies become embarrassing for me when it's the first thing I've drawn all day

[Anonymous No.6388718]

>>6388657
I only post my stuff on /ic on rare occasion for a joke. It is usually bad rushed no-ref stuff that still shows some skill. I don't want to share my good stuff here. I plan to post it somewhere else some day.

[Anonymous No.6388735]

It's strange how facebook isn't more popular for artists.

[Anonymous No.6388738]

>>6388735
facebook is only used for old people, not even thirdworlders use it anymore, t.thirdshitter

[Anonymous No.6388739]

>>6388738
Sure but old people is the demographic with the highest disposable income.

[Anonymous No.6388744]

>>6388739
yeah the have money, older people (at least the ones i know) are not very interested in art in general, i think if they were to appreciate some kind of art they would go to the basics like van gogh, picasso, da vinci, etc. i don't see them consuming anything that is not hyperrealism for more than 5 seconds.

[Anonymous No.6388746]

>>6388744
Of course you would need to adjust your art to be nice flowery stuff, pets and who knows what (Drawing old people's pets alone could probably be a great business. Even digitally). Even if just 1 out of 10000 is a potential customer that is still a huge potential market.

[Anonymous No.6388774]

>>6387995
It actually excites me to see something high level. It reminds me that wanting to get there is a worthy goal.

[Anonymous No.6388783]

>>6388735
huh,
i thought twitter wouldve been a lot bigger than that

[Anonymous No.6388788]

>>6388783
when I told my roommate that i used twitter, she didnt know that people used it to actually discuss world events and thought it was a site just for porn and onlyfans people
technically not wrong but yeah, doesn't quite have the reach you think it would
>>6388746
if i had to adjust my art exclusively for old people, i dont think i'd have fun anymore

[Anonymous No.6388856]

>>6388359
Sounds comfy honestly, regardless if it gets results or no. Need to try this when i get some time off.

[Anonymous No.6388926]

>>6388783
another reason for why being the loudest doesnt make them the biggest.

[Anonymous No.6389359]

Looking back at my art from a year ago isn't making me think about how much I used to suck at art like it normally does, it's making me think about how much I used to fucking hate myself and how it bled into my art because I was constantly drawing things for clout rather than for my own sake. Feeling so much better about myself these days.

[Anonymous No.6389381]

My first work (children’s book, I only did the illustrations) is going to be published soon.
I should be happy, but I got this job out of sheer luck, and I’m not sure if I’ll find another chance like this. (Pretty sure the publisher doesn’t like me)
Illustration is what I study at university, and what I always wanted to do since I was little, but I can’t help but feel like everything I make is slightly above /beg/

[Anonymous No.6389664]

Tfw to shitty to draw well and still too shitty to draw ugly style. Why does Taiyo Matsumoto's art have a professional air that contrasts the skill ceiling of the style. I tried to do a style like his but it ended in failure. It's over, I have drawn more 100 pages and my lines are still shit and I can't ink drawings well like they do in the demos I am a permabeg

[Anonymous No.6389672]

>>6388735
I thought Telegram is obscure Discord alternative

[Anonymous No.6389674]

>>6389664
>I have drawn more 100 pages
100? That's like 1 sketchbook. Don't expect to even notice improvement until you've filled 4 or so.

[Anonymous No.6389678]

>>6389674
I have drawn for more than 10 years of my life. I mean I've been trying really hard grinding ink drawings for the past few months everyday now and I have no improvement I can barely hatch or render. I don't have "soul".

[Anonymous No.6389681]

>>6389678
try automatic drawing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJYGFwGhHnA

[Anonymous No.6389685]

>>6389681
This is too high level for me. I can't even draw without 5 rough drawings, this requires high imagination, visualization, and pen dexterity, and probably some level of intelligence. People who can do automatic drawing of full pages have actual talent.

[Anonymous No.6389693]

>>6389685
True that guy did make it look complex. His version is highevel. It's still a useful exercise at a low level though. You are not trying to make pretty pictures, just let lines out and let them goes where they will, no thinking. Look up automatic drawing examples, some people do them very simply.

[Anonymous No.6389699]

>>6389693
I have done that a lot already with my many sketchbooks where I only drew in pen with no eraser but everything I did came out awful with mistakes anyway.

[Anonymous No.6389741]

>>6389699
There are no mistakes with automatic drawing. It's not a goal orientated task. turn off judgement.

[Anonymous No.6389759]

>>6388282
>>6388328
It's not complex really, though it can seem like it. Why exactly don't you want to? In saying you don't want to, i think you already have the beginnings of an answer for yourself. Chisel and carve out that "why" for yourself diligently, and I believe you'll find your motivations make themselves.

[Anonymous No.6389775]

I was doodling some clouds/trees and such in my lab notebook and the girl across from me said, “Wow, you’re so good at drawing!” I couldn’t decide whether to say thanks, tell her that I disagree, or mention I’ve been trying to learn for a while, so I ended up just staring at her.
She apologized after a short silence.
At this point, I think she was just trying to make conversation, but it was also the first time someone complimented my art out of the blue like that. I think it has given me a reason to keep going with this.

[Anonymous No.6389837]

>>6389775
Cute anon. We are going to die alone, you and I both

[Anonymous No.6389856]

>>6389837
Haha, yeah.

[Anonymous No.6389911]

>>6389775
I had a girl compliment my art once and I didn't realize she was probably just into me so I was just kept stuff like "no this is bad, im bad im so sorry i know its bad, sorry you have to see this" until she gave up. She would regularly try and talk to me at figure drawing classes and I'd just shoot her down with incel tier sadboy talk about how bad my art is. I probably looked like I was going to cry. Worst of all I literally do this shit for money and I get enough external validation but I still have as much confidence in my art as I did when I started, anytime people look at my art IRL it feels like my brain is being dipped in acid.

[Anonymous No.6389948]

man, are the cocksuckers at celsys gonna even have a BF sale for ex this year or are they counting on people to eat this bait at the regular price lol

[Anonymous No.6389959]

>>6387100
Based.

[Anonymous No.6390384]

I'm thinking about giving up on trying to make money with my art. I have no talent for it, only love. And yet I love writing more than I do drawing. It was my plan to learn to draw well enough to draw illustrations for my novel, and if possible, make some cash to support myself while I write, because it's fucking hard to make a living through writing. But it doesn't seem possible, my drawings are shit and soulless. I always draw something I think is pretty good only to come back to it the next day and realize what an abomination it is.

My only friend who remotely cares about my art endeavor keeps shitting on my art with technical nitpicks (are folds supposed to look this way? Why are the highlights going across the hair? shit like that) though he has never picked up the pencil once in his life, but not even people online like my art. I get hundreds of likes sometimes, but I know for a fact it is because of the fotm I draw, not because of my skills.

I'm not giving my all to chase the clout, but some real encouragement or just pointers that I'm going in the right direction would have been nice. But there isn't one. Turned out, you either are good or you are not. I will think this through once more tomorrow but even if I give up on making money with art, I would still draw for myself. At least I won't be spending 5 hours a day to labor over shitty drawings anymore. The thought that I will never be able to draw like the artists I look up to hurts a lot though. Sorry about the rant.

[Anonymous No.6390398]

>>6390384
>are folds supposed to look this way? Why are the highlights going across the hair? shit like that though he has never picked up the pencil once in his life
you don't need to have picked up a pencil to notice oddities in drawings. but you're an artist and artists are professional liars. those with average technical skill can still find success by convincing the audience that whatever bullshit they put on the page IS the truth and they know full well what they are doing. explain why it's objectively correct for the fold and the hair highlight to look that way (if you can't then, uh, you probably DID draw them wrong, ask him how he would do it instead), make him submit with words

[Anonymous No.6390399]

>>6390384
maybe theyre sick of you showing them garbage

[Anonymous No.6390400]

>>6389911
me too anon...

[Anonymous No.6390404]

>>6390398
I don't want to convince anyone with words that my art is correct or not though. If it looks wrong then it's shit. And like you said my knowledge probably wasn't suffice to get it right in the first place. I think my art should speak for itself. If people who don't draw think it's not good then it's silly to convince them that it is using technical knowledge, even though the guy in question is kind of a pseud, who likes to "analyze" art.

[Anonymous No.6390474]

>happily draw every day
>stop one day
>alright I'll draw tomorrow
>... I really dont want to draw, I'll try again tomorrow
>a week goes by
>forgot what its like to draw
>the idea of drawing doesn't make sense anymore
>I'm just staring at a screen putting black pixels everywhere?
>I used to like doing this?

[Anonymous No.6390597]

>>6390474
I love drawing because if I don't know what to draw I pull up pics of women and start drawing them as studies

[Anonymous No.6390607]

>>6390474
Don't think, feel.

[Anonymous No.6390663]

Has /ic/ slowed down? The general threads are very inactive. I know it's a slow board but it's feels like it's almost reached /i/ levels of slowness.

[Anonymous No.6390768]

>>6389741
that sounds like a fancy way to say doodling
what artist doesnt doodle?

[Anonymous No.6390831]

>>6390663
the crabs are busy begging their parents to buy them a cintiq for christmas

[Anonymous No.6390837]

Found all of my old sketchbooks from when I was a beg. 8 books and most of them only had a few pages filled because I kept buying new ones thinking it'll motivate me to do more doodling and practice but I just kept going back to digital in the end. At least I don't have to pay for a new canvas every time.

[Anonymous No.6390840]

I have to find joy in drawing again, instead of drawing for dopamine. I have to defeat you all! (Except those of you that are genuinely nice people, good luck you too)

[Anonymous No.6390863]

>>6389741
Only talented people can do that, I can't draw from imagination I can only steal from reference. I will never make anything like Studio 4C because I don't have the spark. This is the true redpill, artists are born with the spark or talent. I don't even know how to do automatic drawing or to just let it flow because I have zero imagination or creativity. There is nothing in my head to flow out. Have you ever looked at your own drawing and wondered why it feels like something is missing and then looked at someone else's and wonder why his or her's feels complete? Why is it that my finished work is never finished, but other people's finished work really if finished? This is the spark, and only those with the spark are GMI. You can see which artists on this board have the spark or not easily. People like me who do not have the spark should only draw as a hobby and should never dream about making anything good. If you are a permabeg don't bother trying to do anything worthwhile or trying to become like your heroes, drawing should only be a hobby because artists are born.

[Anonymous No.6390869]

>>6390863
Talent is an excuse for people too lazy to put in work

[Anonymous No.6390870]

I sometimes remember that despite what many people will say, how much work you put in to a piece does not always matter.
You can put your whole heart in to your work, and touch exactly no one.
You can put years in to your skills, and still be rejects.
You can do your best, and still only be appreciate after death.

All this is possible.
I keep drawing anyway.

[Anonymous No.6390873]

I sometimes remember that despite what many people will say, how much work you put in to a piece does not always matter.
You can put your whole heart in to your work, and touch exactly no one.
You can put years in to your skills, and still be rejected.
You can do your best, and still only be appreciated after death.

All this is possible.
I keep drawing anyway.

[Anonymous No.6390879]

>>6390869
Okay, then how come I can draw from reference and life but I can't draw from imagination? I have been drawing for more than 10 years, and I have a decent skill level but only when copying from life and I can't draw from imagination, and I don't have creativity. Talent is spark or creativity. My IQ is too low to learn the process to become as skilled as third worlder artstation artists and I don't have enough soul or talent to draw like geniuses such as Yoshitaka Amano. You need to accept talent exists, talent is the creative genius who can come up with ideas and concepts that bewilder people like me (who can only grind bland things from reference and can't come up with any good ideas or stories.) So although may have some skill (only when drawing from life) I always am amazed by other people's ability to come up with images even if their skill may be lower than mine. It's insane for anyone to deny the existence of talent, people who are talentless are NPCS. NPCs are people who can only be hobbyists.

[Anonymous No.6390882]

>>6390879
No one's readin your Livejournal diary entry, go kill yourself. You come off as a total subhuman.

[Anonymous No.6390885]

>>6390882
So you finally accept talent exists? After all, I am a subhuman so that must mean I don't have talent or spark like other people.

[Anonymous No.6390889]

>>6390885
You seem determined to give up, so anything people say will be twisted. Even if I were to say practice drawing lines until they're straight, you'll likely make an excuse.

You can't help someone who refuses to be helped.

[Anonymous No.6390897]

>>6390889
>>6390882
Good posts.

[Anonymous No.6390908]

>>6390889
I wrote that as an example or point on the difference between someone with talent and without. Someone without talent like me can draw perfect portraits of other people but cannot for some reason draw vivid imaginations. If everyone had the same talent how come there aren't more Yoshitaka Amanos? But instead there is only 1 out of 1000s of artists who have an interesting artistic vision. My point was that talent is real and anyone can draw but not everyone can draw from imagination or learn creativity.

[Anonymous No.6390914]

>>6390908
Define creativity.

[Anonymous No.6390917]

>>6390914
Anything that involves being able to draw from imagination. Why can I only draw from life but nothing else? When I draw from imagination it's only symbol drawing like in my earlier post and when I try to draw like the artists I respect I can't come up with anything interesting and don't know how to finish an illustration if it isn't from life or photo.

[Anonymous No.6390920]

>>6390917
Creativity largely consists of combining ideas together to create a 'new' result. It's not nearly as magical as it may seem. Tell me, do you know how to combine shapes in your mind? Can you combine ideas to create a new one?

[Anonymous No.6390927]

>>6390920
I know creativity is being able to combine preexisting ideas and executing them well but some people can do it and some can't. You make it sound easy but it really isn't, so you're probably one of those talented people who can and don't understand how people can't. People who can are simply talented, and people like me who are NPCs can't draw from imagination. There are tons of people who can only draw realism but can't do anything creative or draw without reference. How come their skill is good when drawing from life but they are stumped when you ask them to draw something from imagination that is a finished piece. If someone can draw realistically but can't retain that information and then default to symbol drawing when drawing from imagination then they are low IQ hence talentless. They can still draw, they just aren't talented.

[Anonymous No.6390931]

>>6390908
Yoshitaka amano was heavily influenced by art nouveau. various artists such as Mucha, Klimt, Rackham, William Blake, Odilon Redon, Leonor Fini, Aubrey Beardsley etc. Combined with being influenced by his own countries ukiyo-e paintings resulted in his unique style. He happened to be in the right place at the right time, and open to the right influences that gave him that spark you seek. For automatic drawing, you drew faces, that was not the point as it lead to you judging them as poor symbol drawing, instead don't try to draw "something" and just draw lines, make marks, marks that are there just to be marks, thick, thin, dotted, swirly, harsh, smooth, bold, meek, loose, tight, flowing, abrubt. Don't force it, just play around, relax, listen to relaxing music perhaps, take some deep slow breaths.

[Anonymous No.6390934]

>>6390885
It’s a different anon who replied to you, I’m not reading your blog post.

[Anonymous No.6390935]

>>6390885
Of course talent exists but you are not even average so die.

[Anonymous No.6390936]

reasons why your imagination "sucks"
- you are convinced that it sucks. self fulfilling prophecy
- you find enjoyment and attention in telling people that your imagination sucks. it's become your personality somehow
- you simply didn't look at stimulating art and materials enough
- you're embarrassed of what's in your head and your brain is doing everything in its power to prevent you from conveying it

[Anonymous No.6390961]

>>6390931
But he's creative because he knows how to use those existing ideas well, that's my point. I cannot draw from imagination, yes people like me exist.
>>6390935
That's basically what I was trying to say because there are people who deny talent exists. Talentless are NPCS. Only talented people are in denial and think everyone can just draw from imagination.

[Anonymous No.6390980]

>>6390961
>Only talented people are in denial and think everyone can just draw from imagination.
you could do it. you just wont allow yourself to do it without harshly judging it. The expectation of judgement(from you or others) is stopping you. You don't want to do "bad" drawings from imagination. You got too caught up in what other artists are doing or are capable of, so you keep comparing yourself to them.

[Anonymous No.6390982]

>>6390936
>you find enjoyment and attention in telling people that your imagination sucks. it's become your personality somehow

Shut the fuck up I have a manodepressive borderline disorder I can't fix that by just changing my mindset how dare you

[Anonymous No.6390985]

>>6390982
>manodepressive
like van gogh...

[Anonymous No.6390991]

>>6390980
I just did earlier, all it was were random lines and and badly drawn cartoon faces and I wasn't afraid to post them. Have you ever seen those fanartists who cant draw any original content and only draw media they consoom? There's proof right there of people who don't have creativity, but I'm not trying to insult them I'm just using them as an example of what I mean by no imagination as I'm like that but with studies and photos. When I try to wander off my mind just becomes empty, I'm literally an NPC I can think of nothing for hours like a drone, Idk if other people are the same. The other anon might be on to something with stimulating media, so it might be something like that not being trained well. I theorize talentlessness could also be a result of low EQ, or IQ if you cannot retain information well.

[Anonymous No.6391026]

>>6390908
Unironically pyw I wanna see how your life drawings look.

[Anonymous No.6391033]

>>6390982
Haha we should be lovers I can make you worse

[Anonymous No.6391034]

>>6390936
>you're embarrassed of what's in your head and your brain is doing everything in its power to prevent you from conveying it
How do I break this my brain is riddled with anxiety

[Anonymous No.6391047]

>>6391034
Benzodiazepine.
Or therapy.

[Anonymous No.6391064]

>>6390607
I feel nothing

[Anonymous No.6391066]

>>6389681
Imagine being able to draw automatically lmao. holy shit some people just have it so easy. I have to carefully analyze and filter every single thing I do through ten checks just to make sure I don't fuck it up. I'm like a tiny person inside a human operating it like a gundam, everything has to be carefully planned out to not be autistic. If I drew what I liked, I'd get arrested in a day. Some people just aren't born with a human aesthetic sense so we need to learn how to do that with mindful drawing. If automatic drawing doesn't work out try carefully training yourself to get an eye for what these automatic drawers do.

[Anonymous No.6391963]

I feel like a lot of people on /ic/ give advice based on what personally works for them even though it's getting pretty evident that most artists work differently from eachother. It's probably why Just Draw has become the all-defining advice around here, most issues can be solved if you just stopped worrying about doing the right thing and when you recognize that something is off, you can just go seek out how to fix that one specific thing.

[Anonymous No.6392011]

>>6391963
if it works for them then it might work for someone else which is why people share their advice, if it doesn't then you move onto the next advice, literally how all learning and discovering to learn works

[Anonymous No.6392056]

>>6391963
>I feel like a lot of people on /ic/ give advice based on what personally works for them
Duh. You want them to advice you to do things they have experienced doesn't work?

[Anonymous No.6392111]

>>6392011
>>6392056
I mean more like
>People will be more likely to improve if you tell them what they want to hear as a validation for the problem they're experiencing
Too many people just recommend artists to follow or specific lessons but it doesn't always get to the core of their initial conundrum and they stay beg tier forever because they end up focusing on the wrong things and stop having fun -> no desire to absorb a lesson, or it just flies over their head because it's not solving their immediate short-term issue/isn't provided in a format that helps them absorb the information.
I think that if the idea of "small steps" for general advice rather than pushing into learning an entire fundamental might be more productive since people will then self-motivate when they see immediate results, basically.

[Anonymous No.6392118]

I haven't painted a single thing in 9 years. Then, for some reason, likely a confluence of psychological stuff, I just got totally and completely sick of my life. I quit my bullshit job, and that very day marched down to an art supply store, bought a massive fucking canvas, went home and made a huge abstract painting. I've now completed 3, with a 4th almost done and a final 5th one will complete the set.

I feel like an imposter being in any art circle, irl or not. I have absolutely no formal training, and my only informal training was some useless oil painting lessons my parents had me take in high school, so instead of attempting anything that requires technical skill I've defaulted to simplistic abstract pieces. I don't at all dislike making them - quite the opposite, when I used to paint a decade ago, I never made a single abstract piece and I felt largely indifferent to most of my attempts at realism - but I still feel insecure, like I'm a pretender who hides behind abstraction (my only solace is that I know for a goddamn FACT there's many artists who do exactly that and they still get their art posted in galleries, so I'm not special in that regard).

[Anonymous No.6392136]

>>6386914
>>6387071
Post those portraits then, want to see how bad you portray yourselves.
>>6386981
>>6387021
At least they get alt/crazy bitch pussy, I remember one of the big ones in the US said a weird girl was hitting on him all the time while they were on a convention. Wish that were me, draw anime portraits, get +300k followers and be hit on by an alt girl.
At the end it's all a fantasy...Art is a fantasy.
>>6387100
Care to say which companies are you working for? Congrats, by the way.
>>6387141
Twitter seems to be doing just fine in my case, lots of snowies were crying over the Musk buy, pretending the platform was going to die. First they created new tumblr accounts, then, when they realized nothing had changed, they created accounts on a alt-twitter site """just in case""", and then, at last, they just moved on and pretended nothing had happened.
>>6387234
I'm currently in university studying engineering, when things go south I just vent myself with drawings. Maybe find a reason to draw? Like something that makes you furiously want to draw, that is what happens with me. I put aside all my work and just start drawing.
>>6387263
Happened to me the other way around, I try my very best with every singular piece that I put out on the internet, but then I began working on a personal project and drew without pressures really fast, with results I actually enjoyed.
>>6388657
I believe that at least the nips post almost if not all of their work. The thing is that professional illustrators won't show you their "practices". These practices could very well be actual artwork for amateurs but for them is just learning, experimenting, failing and succeeding, all of that just to produce new art in a better fashion the next time they got a blank canvas in front of them.
>>6387771
It pisses me off that when I see something that appeals to my exact tastes, I had never imagined it, and even if I wanted it, I wouldn't be able to replicate it.

[Anonymous No.6392138]

>>6392136

>>6389911
Lots of people here have your exact same story and I can assure you they are not into you. Unlike some of the people who tell this anecdote, I don't have a problem with people looking at me while I draw or even drawing nude women on public, so I'm used to people coming over my desk and compliment me.
This is where the anecdote differs from all of yours. I've had at least 15 girls coming over my desk to compliment, saying stuff like "Wow anon, you did that? That's sooo goood!" or "That's incredible, you should be an illustrator anon!" and when you go and say "Thanks, it's just practice!" or some generic response, they'll go into NPC mode, stare at the thing a few more seconds and they'll go away
Every
Single
Time.
Either they are not into you and you are just trying to mentally jerk yourself or I am really ugly and unpleasant to be around.
>>6390384
>>6390404
I'd be interested to see your work, if you are willing to post it.
>>6390663
Yeah, I've been noticing this place has been going downhill for the season or even 2022 as a whole, and I'm not even a veteran on this board.

[Anonymous No.6392178]

So when do the AI lawsuits start?

[Anonymous No.6392196]

>>6385955
How long should one take a break from drawing?
From the beginning of November to now, I've been pumping out drawings every 3-4 days.
Most months this year were about 4-5 drawings per month, but Nov (and June) I managed to make 8 drawings.
While it feels nice to produce more art, I'm starting to reach a malaise in creativity.
While I had fun making my latest drawing, I definitely noticed a drop in passion compared to the last seven I made this month.
Should I call it for November and not draw until December?
I'd like to avoid burn out and watch/play some stuff to get new ideas.
Is 5 days too long or too short?

[Anonymous No.6392199]

>>6392178
Some have been filed. Against Github and Microsoft I think. That stuff usually takes time so who knows.

[Anonymous No.6392201]

>>6392199
it feels like the Github lawsuit happened really quickly, within a month of Github copilot coming out, but Dalle has been out for a year now and no one's done anything. Does it really cost THAT much to file a lawsuit?

[Anonymous No.6392208]

>>6392201
It takes time irregardless of the cost. There's a lot of bureaucracy.

[Anonymous No.6392243]

>>6392201
Is it because artists are pussies and have no money?

[Anonymous No.6392388]

My loneliness is making me want to kms and drawing isn't helping me cope anymore

[Anonymous No.6392737]

I really really hope I didn't kill off an artist by deleting my discord account.

[Anonymous No.6392837]

If I spent a week or two weeks or a month not posting anything I draw would it cure me of constant seeking approval or validation from random people on the internet?
I feel like I would just lose all motivation to draw and I'd be worse off for trying it.

[Anonymous No.6392862]

>>6392837
No because your problem stems from lack of self confidence. You have intense soul searching to do.

[Anonymous No.6392883]

>>6392862
While I'm proud of my progress I do get put down by comparing myself to other people a lot, guess I need therapy or something

[Anonymous No.6393108]

>>6392883
You and everyone else on twitter. Unironically.
Not trying to shit on you or anything, it's a real modern day epidemic and for some reason all anyone suggests for it is enabling bad coping techniques. Don't fall for their tricks. The only thing that needs changing are your philosophies. The only one in control of your happiness and confidence is you.

[Anonymous No.6393113]

>>6393108
You sound just as insane as them though.

[Anonymous No.6393120]

>>6393113
Go ahead and elaborate anon.
You going to disprove that the western world is suffering from various mental illnesses that stem from a lack of true self confidence?

[Anonymous No.6393254]

>>6392837
Get into the habit of drawing things that you don't save and will discard. Draw things because you want to draw or practice, not so you have something to post online
Also stop drawing predominately fanart (especially FOTM) if you're one of those people. Start getting into character design or something for a concept in mind, even if you don't plan on developing it further

[Anonymous No.6393378]

>listening to sad music
>be depressed
>listening to happy music
>depression cured
I do this to myself, don't I?

[Anonymous No.6393388]

I've always had a talent for designing characters that people like. It made me feel worthwhile. But I felt selfish for having that passion, and assumed people would find more value in me if I just drew porn of popular characters instead. But now that AI art is on the rise and anyone can make high quality porn of those popular characters in a matter of minutes, it makes me feel like things have changed and that I should now focus on original characters like I had wanted in the past if I want a shot at making a splash.

[Anonymous No.6393399]

>>6393378
Yeah. Same thing happened to me when i stopped listening to Stained.

[Anonymous No.6393426]

I'm quite new to /ic/ (here just for grabbing some art books and video courses) and I fucking hate it here other than that, every other threads it's just the trolls just spreading hate and shit on beginners.

[Anonymous No.6393438]

>>6393426
you'll be back

[Anonymous No.6393439]

>>6393426
This, and the stalking and harassment is what drove most of the good artists that away.

[Anonymous No.6393449]

>>6393426
No pain no gain.
But all pain is also no gain.
Come here occasionally and it's alright.

[Anonymous No.6393465]

>>6393426
that was how I got addicted to this site. I don't even watch video courses anymore, but I still come back every day for my daily dose of abuse

[Anonymous No.6393467]

>>6393426
It's the same problem everywhere on the interwebz. Just learn to skim through the bullshit and focus on the relevant stuff - don't feed the trolls or don't give attention to retards.

[Anonymous No.6393469]

>>6393426
This is basically the only thread I use because I just don't have any other artist friends I feel comfortable confiding in, not that I've ever said anything super weird or egregious here.

[Anonymous No.6393492]

>>6393438
>>6393439
>>6393449
>>6393465
>>6393467
>>6393469
I like the art resources and I am here like once a week. But some idiots really makes my blood boils every single time I visited.

Not like I'm totally new at drawing, but I wonder how beginners feel being in this place. I genuine believe art is a great hobby for everyone however some texts I saw here are so discouraging, I feel utterly disgusted and I can see people quitting from it.

I'm so glad that I have a bunch of fellow artists with different experiences I can talk to, I'm also hoping to work on art education stuff by review, filter and compile resources for different kinds of new artists (that's why I'm here stealing shit). I met some chill anons here but holy shit troll anons are so loud and obnoxious.

[Anonymous No.6393494]

>>6386097
Sounds more like Duning Kruger

[Anonymous No.6393581]

>you gotta practice composition, dynamic poses, gesture, line weight, etc because you can't just draw people standing around like family guy characters
>see countless pictures of just that, and they look amazing

I dont know what's real anymore.

[Anonymous No.6393612]

>>6393581
ultimately you should have the goal of making art that looks appealing to yourself and fun to make, and if you need those lessons, they will come to you naturally at a time when you think is right. you cant just force yourself to learn something when you don't know why or when you're going to use it

[Anonymous No.6393670]

Will there really come a point when I will only have fun drawing and not want to kill myself? Or should I just get used to this suffering

[Anonymous No.6393681]

>>6393670
Try to do a project/series of what you like to create, ideally a month long but you could go longer if you can. It can be challenging or easy but I think challenging stuff helps spiking your brain with dopamine better. Good luck!

[Anonymous No.6393702]

>diagnosed with ulnar nerve entrapment
it's fucking over for me.
>tl:dr I drew too much, when I do I press on my elbow
>this is a nono apparently
>result I feel my pinky and the other finger tingling and it hurts to draw and keep the elbow closed
I pay shit with the money I earn from patreon, hence I can't afford to stop. Anyone know of a good drawing tablet that's just flat horizontal?

[Anonymous No.6393759]

how much detail do you put into sketches? Every time I see someone doing a sketch and then drawing over it, the sketch already looks amazing and the lineart on top barely looks different.

[Anonymous No.6393764]

>>6393702
Puss.

[Anonymous No.6393787]

>>6392837
Nope. You have mental issues. If you stop sharing you will simply avoid the problem. That being said, it's a good idea to stop showing your shit to people until you're mentally sound and capable of handling disinterest and even outright rejection.

Simply not posting without actually addressing your problems with approval seeking is only going to put it on pause but the moment you share again you'll find that nothing has changed. Actually work on your bad thought patterns during the time you decide to not post.

[Anonymous No.6393801]

>>6393702
The answer to any pain gained from repetitive actions is exercise of the corresponding opposite muscle group. If you needed to cure lower back pain it is often you stomach and butt muscles you need to work out. Carpal tunnel syndrome can be fixed by asserting pressure when trying to open all 5 fingers repeatedly. etc.

Don't know the trick to fix ulnar nerve issues though but it is some form of workout.

Basically you are too lazy and don't take enough care of your body. Your problems are not going to end with this ulnar issue. You need to change your daily pattern and work out. You are also going to age like shit if you don't.

[Anonymous No.6393803]

>>6393801
Chad, gmi /fit bro.

[Anonymous No.6393822]

>>6393612
the only thing that appeals to me is death

[Anonymous No.6393830]

>>6393822
And yet ur still alive. What a farce

[Anonymous No.6394197]

>>6393759
having a detailed sketch like that is good so you're not fussing with adding brand new details during the lineart when you didn't put some reference for them on the sketch.

[Anonymous No.6394465]

>>6393759
I'm that kinda person that puts every single detail down in the sketch, I need to know exactly what and where to draw, I spend a lot of time on the sketch but in return it makes the line art a faster process

[Anonymous No.6394614]

Why is it that my mom completely disrespects my work no matter how good I get and how much money I make? If anything she gets more and more disdainful the further I go, she constantly tries to discourage me with comments like "you can't just draw for the rest of your life" and generally just gives me vague, critical remarks about my work anytime she sees me drawing (e.g. "that leg looks long..." , "why is his arm like that?", etc). Also I'm not a NEET, I have a degree and a job so she has no reason to do any of this.

How do I unironically stop wanting my parents approval? It really fucks with my confidence in my work.

[Anonymous No.6394619]

Doing some style study at the moment. Whenever I look at Wooma's art I can't shake off the idea that the mood is always involved in some sort of weird emotional drama even when they try to do something cute like pic related. Obviously artists will just lean towards a style full of things they like and won't really work into the opposite end (ie Kéké wouldn't do anything close to what Garth Ennis does and vice versa) but for people who just want to draw all sort of things, I wonder if it's possible to manage a style that fits anything. I actually have a friend who's attempting to do this, but they get burnt out so often and their gallery looks almost schizophrenic at times because of it.
I don't really know where I want to go myself, my personal style development has been pretty messy but I do know I want to draw cartoony stuff in general.

[Anonymous No.6394621]

>>6394614
I'd ask her if she actually has anything nice to say about what you make, and then ask why she keeps making remarks like that regardless of the answer she gives.

[Anonymous No.6395114]

A South American agriculture professor and japanophile was teaching a class on Mammoth, known porno artisan.

"Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship Dorontabi and accept his linework and expression is something all of you should strive for!"

At this moment, a brave nihilist who understood the nullity of dedicating one's life to making generic anime art stood up.

”Are lolis simulation or simulacra?”

The arrogant weeb smirked quite snarkly and smugly replied “Clearly simulacra you stupid permabeg, as my petabyte collection of twixivterest references proves it!”

”If it were, then your collection and the collections of your influences wouldn't contain JAV and junior idol sets. Your assumption comes from your own inability to draw in an appropriate manner... including acing the style of your beloved Mammoth.”

The dishonest weeb was visibly shaken by this public revelation which he himself loves to repeat for pity and attention, and privated all of his online accounts. He wished he had some discord friends to stand up for him, but he chose to forsake them for the life of aloof troubled artist a long time ago!

The students applauded the bold critic for having reignited their will to improve. Begs and ints teamed up in unison to improve each other's art, having been freed from the tyrany of pretentious cliques and obnoxious teachers who prey on begs to feel better for themselves.

The Chilean lost his smugness and deleted all of his online accounts the next day. He died by bashing his head trying to perfect leg anatomy and rendering, then was reanimated as a cyborg on AI support aiding his existing stats in copying, tracing and referencing.

Tsuzuku.

[Anonymous No.6395116]

>>6395114
I clapped.

[Anonymous No.6395256]

Been trying to figure this out for a while but what’s the difference between coloring an illustration vs painting a piece?

[Anonymous No.6395418]

I just can't get myself into fitness.

I know it's good for me, I know I'll regret it in the future if I don't start...

But I'm just so fucking tired of work to the point that I just can't give a fuck. I tell myself at work:
>Today's the day, soon as I get home I'm strapping on my trainers and going for a run!
Then I get home and collapse on the bed.

[Anonymous No.6395425]

>>6394465
>>6394197
but if the sketch has a bunch of overlapping lines and vague forms, you still have to invent new elements when you do the lineart. If the sketch is precise enough that everything is here, then its not a sketch. Isn't that just drawing everything twice for no reason?

I just want to make sense of it, I dont have the patience to just do everything twice especially when the lineart is worse than the sketch. Its like the definition of insanity.

[Anonymous No.6395434]

>>6395418
strangely enough, looking at wholesome hentai might help. Seeing beautiful characters with beautiful bodies enveloped in each other's love is enough to light a fire under my ass and get to the gym.

[Anonymous No.6395437]

>>6395425
no, it's a good idea to have everything 100% worked out, as a beginner, because this will let you separate your "drawing skills" from your "inking skills". When you get better, you can start to ink over looser sketches.

[Anonymous No.6395463]

>>6395418
id get into fitness but i cant eat and i hate eating, the calorie maintenance is the worst part for me

[Anonymous No.6395464]

>>6395463
gomad

[Anonymous No.6395492]

>Open software
>Ref
>Doodling circle for 10 min and close program because no idea

What should i do all i can do is copying drawing i don't want do it anymore

[Anonymous No.6395528]

>>6392201
because one of the slighted classes here has a lot more money at their disposal than the other

[Anonymous No.6395548]

>>6392201
People fucking hate Microsoft (rightfully so)

[Anonymous No.6395605]

>Forced to upgrade from new hardware
>Update clip studio
>Learn it has something called liquify tool
>Use it for the first time to see what it does
You cheating sons of bitches.

[Anonymous No.6395646]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm...
it feels weird seeing my art getting reposted onto imageboards...

[Anonymous No.6395789]

things i like have 5000 likes and things I don't like have 20000 likes and that makes me upset and also makes me feel like a retard because i know it's just a taste thing but maybe it's because it's some latent thing from my childhood where people made fun of things i liked, fuck if i know

[Anonymous No.6395800]

>>6395789
unironically touch grass

[Anonymous No.6395809]

>>6395800
i have a right to wish that my thing which is already popular was as popular as the thing that's more popular

[Anonymous No.6395888]

>>6395463
Holy shit yes
Getting enough calories in, getting enough PROTEIN in.

I fucking hate eating so much

[Anonymous No.6395897]

>>6395809
and no one cares
so you are better off not caring yourself too

[Anonymous No.6395921]

i don't want to make a personal art account until after i have an audience for my comic but i'm probably not going to be good enough to actually finish the comic unless i get outside critique.
(imageboards would be the non autistic solution to this, but archives make me paranoid)

[Anonymous No.6395947]

What conditions cause a cast shadow to be a color gradient? Color bounces off certain objects back into the cast shadow right? And obviously for colorful transparent materials. What about the conditions needed for a cast shadow to fade gradually toward its end? I don't mean a soft edge I mean half the cast shadow becomes a blur? Is that only possible with an ambient light source like an overcast day?

[Anonymous No.6396004]

>>6395947
Forge the blurred shadow part, just found a good explanation of penumbra.

[Anonymous No.6396014]

>>6395646
I've seen one artwork of mine reposted into the niche fetish thread I originally posted it in

[Anonymous No.6396023]

My biggest dream is to have someone post my work to a booru. I've seen people with fewer followers had it happen so there's hope.

[Anonymous No.6396026]

>>6396023
I had something posted to a booru after making a fresh account and they picked the worst picture i had uploaded up to that point because it was an fotm character
not worth it honestly

[Anonymous No.6396108]

>been part of a small, comfy d*scord server for a few years now
>one of my friends started spamming art channels with AI garbage he generated
We're like 20 in there posting and often talking about art and none even looks at it or reacts to it, it's sad. I don't wanna be a sperg and tell him to fuck off, only suggested him to try drawing instead but he'd rather proompt more...

[Anonymous No.6396212]

>>6396023
I had some fotm fanart uploaded to a couple of boorus recently and I have very few followers (new account).
My art is subpar, so I feel that it doesn't belong. But judging by the comments I saw people seem to like it anyways, so that's nice at least.

[Anonymous No.6396899]

>get the flu
>sneeze and cough on the monitor
>keep thinking I forgot to erase some specks trying to find what layer they're on because I'm too lazy to wipe the screen down

[Anonymous No.6396910]

>get measly cut on my finger while making breakfast
>cant hold the pen steady now
i might be made of paper skin and glass bones but just let me have a normal day dammit

[Anonymous No.6396937]

>/ic/ confirmed disgusting and weak

[Anonymous No.6396944]

>>6392388
you're never alone. spirits all around. enjoy the music. enjoy the silence. the good ones like it when you do good and will try to help you do well. ok

[Anonymous No.6396948]

>draw lineart
>painting
>realize my anatomy is wrong
>paint over
>paint over is also wrong
>redline my own drawing countless times
>repaint
>now that I repainted over all my lineart I have to redo lineart again
>repeat
it's all so tiring

[Anonymous No.6396956]

>>6396108
He sounds like an asshole. Why did you even invite him in the first place if he can't and isn't willing to do art?

[Anonymous No.6396978]

>>6396910
time to get ambidextrous, kitty kat

[Anonymous No.6397001]

There's two 4x5 inch drawings in the corner of my paper that I just have to render and the page will be completely filled. Why can't I get to it? All I have to do is get to it. I can't fucking get to it.

[Anonymous No.6397008]

>>6397001
JUST DRAW

[Anonymous No.6397017]

>>6397001
Because you have to get a new page after that and the blank paper is daunting.

[Anonymous No.6397093]

>>6397008
HOW DO?
>>6397017
I already started a new page, but I can't continue on it until I finish these two shits in the corner. And they're fully drawn and everything I'm just a dysfunctional fuck who won't find 30 min in the day to render them. I'm like a deer staring at headlights.

[Anonymous No.6397107]

How can I enjoy making art when it isn't perfect? I used to have fun but nowadays I just sit down, shit out something lazy and feel like not even bothering because everyone is better than me despite years of practice

[Anonymous No.6397132]

>>6397093
every second you think about drawing is a second wasted where you're not drawing
just pick the brush you usually use and apply color and dont fucking think

[Anonymous No.6397333]

>>6397107
think of how much better you've become since you started. And think about how normal people (non artists) dont look at things as critically as you. Its not all about technical skill but the emotions your art conveys.

[Anonymous No.6397339]

>>6396948
I can't think of another hobby where every single thing you do can be wrong. Its like playing a guitar but it makes fart noises somehow, and you have to spend years jut to make it sound like a guitar. how do people put up with this for their entire lives? How do I put up with it?

[Anonymous No.6397469]

>build a big following on social media
>for some reason people start looking up to me
>they ask me art-related questions
>I lack self-confidence and I'm not good enough to think I can teach anything to anyone so i redirect them to learning resources
>"Anon, just say you don't want to tell people your techniques. It's not constructive to tell people "just train.""
I really don't think i'm good enough. It's not that deep. The resources I link you will teach you far more than I ever can.

[Anonymous No.6397478]

>>6397469
People are asking you in particular because they like your artstyle. Whatever you do probably has a certain charm or something that stands out. When you link them resources, it probably feels like a cop-out "just fucking google it" kind of answer. That's why they get annoyed with you. At the same time, you don't owe anyone your time. Probably best to take the Japanese artist approach and ignore their art questions

[Anonymous No.6397479]

>>6397469
Be the ultimate crab and tell them you just need talent.

[Anonymous No.6397481]

>>6397469
People don't want to know how to get good at drawing eventually, they want to know how be good at drawing right now. That's why "just draw" triggers so many people on this board. They think if they just find the secret to drawing they can skip over the part where you suck.

Drawing your way through the part where you suck is the actual secret, and if you never just draw, you will never get good.

[Anonymous No.6397483]

>>6397469
have sex with them

[Anonymous No.6397489]

>>6389381
Congratulations anon gmi

[Anonymous No.6397510]

I need advice. For the past year and half I would sit and study/practice 4-5 hours everyday. But for the last 4 or 5 weeks I just sit and stare at the empty screen. I don't wanna study or practice anymore. I just wanna draw the stuff I like. Can't even sit straight for 1 hour now practicing. I just wanna draw cool stuff. Did I burn out? If yes, how to get over it?

[Anonymous No.6397514]

>>6397510
from what you wrote, it sounds like burnout from only grinding fundies.
you should definitely draw your own stuff as well, not only to actually put your ideas (which must have been put on the backburner for so long if you only do studies) into practice, but also solidify your knowledge and apply it to whatever you want to do with it.
nice ref pic btw

[Anonymous No.6397516]

>>6397510
Uh... just draw the shit you like, anon. Why are you studying and practicing all the time if you're not going to do that? Would you play a game, practice for 5 hours a day for a fucking year, then wonder why you aren't having any fun actually playing the game?

You have your priorities backwards, you're supposed to be practicing to supplement your real work, not waiting two years to start actually drawing.

[Anonymous No.6397698]

>>6385955
I got fucking scammed by CSP. Bought the one time thing and yet they were charging me a subscription for the past 4 months. I don't remember there being any option for some extra subscription, and if there was, I don't remember agreeing to it. Site says no refunds. Serves me right for not pirating I guess.

[Anonymous No.6397702]

>>6397510
Neve draw what you like. That’s a beg trap like “just draw.” If you’re enjoying yourself then you’re not learning.

[Anonymous No.6397712]

>>6397698
The plan has now ended and everything still works. So they really were charging me for no reason. Never buying another one of these fucking programs again.

[Anonymous No.6397907]

>ai art trending

[Anonymous No.6397915]

>>6397907
I never see AI art anymore other than shitposting threads on this board

[Anonymous No.6398104]

>>6386728
Do it anon.
Be free.

[Anonymous No.6398117]

>tfw getting better every few drawing
>tfw the goal somehow keeps getting further and further away

[Anonymous No.6398355]

>>6397339
Yu only fail because you think fart wrong sound for you. You too good to fart. Real artist no care if fart sound or guitar sound, make music anyway. But you, you no artist because all you see is fart. No can see art.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SiImLIcnZq0

[Anonymous No.6398424]

If you art is good will someone reach out to you on Twitter to invite you to one of their private art discords

[Anonymous No.6398437]

>>6398117
Artist journey is never ending. What did you expect? That once you reach certain level, you'd find your art perfect and nothing to be improved on?

>>6398424
Highly unlikely but has happened to me. Most discord invites I get by interacting with other artists

[Anonymous No.6398458]

>>6398424
Yes but you have to be really good and it helps to have a niche

[Anonymous No.6398478]

>Japanese artist does a dumb thing
>People say it's stupid
>Western artist does the same dumb thing, but also lazier and executed worse
>People praise it
why dont these people just come out and say they fucking hate japanese things, christ

[Anonymous No.6398493]

>>6398478
They're in denial but it boils down to envy about jap success in most art mediums, and resentment that they don't kowtow to western sensibilities.

[Anonymous No.6398494]

>>6398478
kys weebnigger

[Anonymous No.6398506]

>>6397702
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.6398694]

>try the "just draw" meme
>it works
wtf

[Anonymous No.6398831]

>>6398493
>envy about jap success in most art mediums.
Name 5 examples

[Anonymous No.6399057]

>>6398437
No, the goal is the same, it's just that somehow even when I get better it feels like the same goal is actually further away than I thought. It's like the road stretched out rather than the goalposts moved.

[Anonymous No.6399123]

I wonder how many critiques anons have gotten and listened to were by people who haven't drawn a day in their life.

[Anonymous No.6399411]

>Post ship fanart of manga
>Mangaka likes and retweets it
>Sudden flood of likes and retweets
>Now I'm getting performance anxiety because that's the most attention I've gotten ever
Like, I know no ones looking anyway and when I post something new it'll be the same-old level of attention

But still man, it's making me nervous that one of my favorite mangaka is active online and looking at fanart.

[Anonymous No.6399462]

>>6387995
>Tradd Moore
>Itoh Sei
Based, those are two of my favorite artists too. I picked up a hardcover collection of the Luther Strode series almost on a whim. Tradd's art evolution is inspiring, it starts out really good in the first volume and gets amazing in the second, despite the kind of goofy faces, but it's in the final volume that you really see Tradd's final evolution into becoming the absolutely god tier artist he is today. It's incredible. One of the best purchases I've ever made hands down.

Can't forget how amazing Itoh Sei is, though. That guy's action scenes and creature/character design is completely unbelievable. Some of the sickest, most balls to the wall fights I have ever read in a manga before. Who's your favorite Dokkaku soldier, by the way? Mine's Andira. Love that ratty lil' bastard.

[Anonymous No.6399468]

>>6399411
Congrats anon, I've had a work retweeted by creators once I know the feel. Excitement but dread knowing for sure they're watching.

[Anonymous No.6399548]

>>6399411
>tfw favorite mangaka are all either extremely old or dead

[Anonymous No.6399549]

>>6399411
That must have been nice for them to notice you for a bit. I posted video game fanart once and the voice actor of that character DMed me and wanted to chat. It was honestly a little strange, I would have preferred just a like or something

[Anonymous No.6399886]

Aifags are spamming generated posts on /lit/ right now. I'm convinced those vermins are paid to ruin this site.

[Anonymous No.6399947]

>>6386429
>reference
stop stealing art

[Anonymous No.6399950]

>>6399468
>dread knowing for sure they're watching.
they aren't

[Anonymous No.6399956]

I'm trying to draw in tegaki but everything I draw is so unreadable drawing digital art is so hard bros

[Anonymous No.6399964]

I thought drawing nsfw would be more fun. It's weird, I don't even like my art that much. I just want other people to draw shit that will get me off instead. Whenever I look at my shit all I see is how I made it. This kinda sucks

[Anonymous No.6400002]

Just made a twitter. What the fuck do I do? To get a decent following in pixiv all I had to do is post shit and tag it properly, but what am I supposed to do in here? Just post shit too? Or do I have to interact with other artcels to grow?

[Anonymous No.6400045]

>>6400002
post it here and see how many ppl are lurking. if its porn you have to get into certain circles from what i gather. im not in them yet, but one guy from pixiv has been generous with retweets. i wouldnt bother getting chummy with the sfw twitter artists-- may as well just be using twitter as any other dramatard

[Anonymous No.6400121]

>>6399950
Not watching me you idiot watching the fanart in general

[Anonymous No.6400128]

>>6398478
Nigger its literally the opposite.
>insectoid does a bad thing
>weebs defend it and say its deliberate artistic genius
>westoid does the exact same thing
>weebs shit on him and go "muh east > west"

KYS my man

[Anonymous No.6400135]

>>6399411
your art must be really good. Don't be shy!

[Anonymous No.6400136]

I have you guys, right?

[Anonymous No.6400138]

>>6400136
Only if you got me too.

[Anonymous No.6400148]

>>6400138
I've always had you

[Anonymous No.6400153]

>>6400136
always

[Anonymous No.6400159]

I get way more interaction from arguing, conversations and shitposting than posting my art on /ic.

[Anonymous No.6400182]

I do not need anyone's permission to draw anything

[Anonymous No.6400193]

>Someone redlines my art
>All they did was fuck around with a limb slightly to make it a little bit more proportional, and even then it's questionable if it was wrong in the first place
>Barely noticeable and doesn't change the overall piece
>Not something I can even practice because it's so fucking tiny of a difference I'm just going to keep doing it naturally
There really needs to be some sort of art world wide critique etiquette or something everyone is expected to understand. I love redlines, but when it doesn't make the piece better I just want them to fuck off and die. I miss tealanon

[Anonymous No.6400202]

>>6400193
The art etiquette for redlines is that you simply ignore redlines you disagree with instead of making malding posts like this, because it generally discourages people from redlining.

[Anonymous No.6400207]

>me, an oldfag on /ic/
>get buttfucked for drawing anime
>years go by
>anime is eventually and begrudgingly accepted
>get buttfucked for being a hobbyist
fuck you guys

[Anonymous No.6400212]

>>6400207
>giving a shit
First mistake.

[Anonymous No.6400220]

>>6400212
if i gave a shit i would have left years ago

[Anonymous No.6400240]

>>6400207
You mean the seething about hobbychads doesn't make you chuckle? They sold their souls anon, making it was always a trick.

[Anonymous No.6400246]

>>6400240
it did but it has lost its charm after years of it.
/ic/, /ic/ never changes.
bingo bango bombo i don't want to leave the jungle.

[Anonymous No.6400250]

>>6400207
>get buttfucked for being a hobbyist
I haven't seen any of that. Which threads are you encountering it in?

[Anonymous No.6400637]

honestly amazes me that people still haven't caught on that jannies/mods are in on the AI spam

[Anonymous No.6400722]

>finish 8 hour study session
>tell parent
>doesn't bother to ask about it, just immediately changes the subject
This somehow hurts.

[Anonymous No.6400723]

>>6400722
how did your study session turn out, anon?

[Anonymous No.6400728]

>>6400723
Not so good honestly. I haven't drawn in a few month so I have to relearn a bunch of stuff i forgot. I'm trying to do more dynamic poses but no matter how i try, it always turns out flat. I've tried using 3d models as a guide, but still wasn't what i wanted. I'll have to try again later since I realize i'm naturally slow at picking things up. Thanks for asking. I feel better now. I don't have anyone else to talk about art with.

[Anonymous No.6400743]

>>6400728
good on you for focusing so well for 8 hours, still!
have you tried breaking down other artists poses to find what works? in the end also drawing your own stuff is good, even if it doesn't turn out the way you like, it's still something you made on your own, and years later you can still redo it as well. good luck.

[Anonymous No.6400802]

>>6400722
You will save yourself a lot of mental suffering if you detach from the need for external approval.

If this is just about your parents then you need to work on that, dumb boomers aren't the people who should determine whether you're doing good or not.

[Anonymous No.6401902]

how do i come up with good poses? drawing the same boring poses over and over is killing my desire to draw.

[Anonymous No.6401968]

I've started having really shitty, stressful dreams about my job literally every night.

My job isn't even that bad desu, I just wish I slept more soundly at night

[Anonymous No.6401969]

I wasted an entire night coloring someone else's lineart. I spent hours making different color combinations to cater to some weird fascination I have. I should have worked on my own art, but I just couldn't stop myself.

[Anonymous No.6401970]

>>6401902
You can't get output without input. Draw interesting poses from reference and browse art you like before you try to come up with stuff if you keep drawing a blank and can't imagine much.
Another thing to keep in mind is that it's better to draw actions than poses, like how it's better to draw environments rather than backgrounds. It might sound like trivial semantics but changing the way you think about things from isolated to parts of a whole makes it much easier to come up with ideas. You're not drawing a pose, you're drawing an [adjective] picture of [character] doing something.

[Anonymous No.6401971]

>>6401969
your coloring is still art, anon

[Anonymous No.6401972]

>>6401902
look up pose references then try to add your own twist to it.

[Anonymous No.6401974]

>>6401969
you are learning things while doing it so there is no problem i think

[Anonymous No.6402313]

i'm really struggling with motivation. as of recently i'm debating whether i even enjoy drawing at all or if i just do it out of habit and some kind of desire to contribute/please people. how do you guys motivate yourself to draw?

also i really wish i could have artist friends again but everyone sucks, it feels like all art communities are either all soft and friendly to the point where it just becomes a mindless circlejerk with no real place for honest feedback or toxic cesspools for insecure cloutchasers. sadge.

[Anonymous No.6402362]

Is it even worth it to try getting into an art career from zero, today, if you're not doing porn? It pains me so much that I love art as much as I love it but it's literally impossible to make money unless you make things I hate.
>you shouldn't want to be a career artist blah blah
I know. I love making art even if I don't post anything. I will always love drawing. But I don't have any other skills. It's literally the only thing I am somewhat good at and the only thing I can do for hours upon hours without feeling empty inside. That's literally the only reason why I want to monetize it somewhat, but I don't wanna become a fanart/porn sellout, I don't wanna make a living drawing dicks and vaginas.

[Anonymous No.6402364]

Did jannies suddendly wake up and decided to do their job?

[Anonymous No.6402460]

>>6402362
There are many paths, 99% of which don't require coom. I would always suggest branching out into as many trad creative areas as you can think of. Many of them can be slower to get started out, but you might just find an unexpected niche you like.

[Anonymous No.6402658]

You know what? Fuck lineart. I'm going to just sketch and clean and sketch and clean until it looks like I want it to look.

[Anonymous No.6403848]

guy on patreon followed me for 2 months but apparently I have nothing on my payout page, his status is 'declined'.
did I get bamboozled?

[Anonymous No.6403985]

>>6402658
if you're going to be that thorough, then at a certain point you may as well trace over the sketch accurately for the lineart instead of constantly erasing

[Anonymous No.6404168]

I could have been so much further at this point. Why does alcohol have to exist

[Anonymous No.6404529]

>stole (i.e. redrew their stuff in my sketchbook) from an underrated insta artist to impress my crush
>again
I feel empty inside but they draw the exact kind of stuff she likes.