/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.6371604]

I've been drawing for 2 years and I'm still terrible at anatomy and drawing figures. I know there's a lot wrong with it, but I'm having trouble identifying everything that's causing it to look weird. This is some stuff I did today. What are the most glaring issues with these?

[Anonymous No.6371611]

>>6371604
Not terrible for only 2 years. I think you need to work on skeletal structure. Get the shape of the pelvis and how the femur attaches drilled into your head.

[Anonymous No.6371624]

Well for one thing none of those drawings are finished. Maybe work on that.

[Anonymous No.6371695]

make real drawing

[Anonymous No.6371765]

>>6371604
I don't know what you're talking about, these sketches look nice to me. Nothing obvious sticks out. The hands could use improvement. These are all sketches though. Do you have finished work?

[Anonymous No.6371776]

>>6371611
The ribcage looks like a penis

[Anonymous No.6371803]

>>6371604
I think you can waste too much time on these kinds of sketch studies. Just work on actual individual pieces and stop worrying about every single possible pose.

Learn from each piece as you go, and work on one piece at a time, to full completion.

Otherwise you'll just be stuck in a cycle of worrying about what you can't draw; you're only as good as the current piece you're working on.

Really, if you're working on a drawing of a sitting girl, do you need to worry about every other possible pose? No, just get good at the one pose you're currently drawing, experience will come with time.

[Anonymous No.6371834]

>>6371624
>>6371695
>>6371765
>>6371803
These are some "completed" drawings that I made in September. But I mostly want to get better at the sketching phase and construction, because a lot of the time, the underlying issues lie there, and it's easy to polish something that is really flawed and then not notice until it's too late.

[Anonymous No.6371846]

>>6371834
I diagnose you as nutritionally deficient in Bridgman's Complete Guide to Drawing From Life. Lean to construct anatomy that feels connected and under real forces.

[Anonymous No.6371862]

>>6371604
stop drawing anime

[Anonymous No.6371901]

>>6371604
I'm drawing more twice as many years as you and my drawings aren't half as good.

I'm starting to think NGMI-ers are a real thing.

[Anonymous No.6371907]

>>6371901
It's all about intent, pencil mileage, learning from mistakes instead of repeating them. You could draw for a decade and learn nothing if you go about it wrong.

[Anonymous No.6371918]

>>6371907
>intent
wdym?

[Anonymous No.6371922]

>>6371918
Like... What are you trying to achieve with your drawing that will make it better than your previous one?
And Generally, are you intending on being the best artist you can possibly be? or are you content with what you are doing now? Sometimes one can forget their original motivation and just coast along, drawing out of habit, but not really progressing much.

[Anonymous No.6371964]

>>6371624
>>6371695
Don't listen to this, this is bad advice. If you spend 3 hours rendering a drawing, you've practiced your anatomy once. If you I stead spend those 3 hours figure drawing instead, you've practiced you anatomy 8 times in this case.
This is how people end up with over polished turds. It's because their fundamental core skills are lacking because they spend all their practice time rendering.

[Anonymous No.6371970]

>>6371846
Based af

[Anonymous No.6371979]

>>6371604
>line quality actually goes down when looking at a reference
Your problem is a severe lack of confidence

[Anonymous No.6372021]

>>6371834
you lack refinement, try to make those drawings more refined and when you realize you can't you will start seeing mistakes that you couldn't spot before
It's like applying color to a line-drawing, the silhouette comes into focus and you see where you fucked up, the same thing will happen when you try to render your drawing further
Looking at a messy drawing is like looking at art with squinted eyes, you can't see shit when it's blurred
>>6371964
>If you spend 3 hours rendering a drawing, you've practiced your anatomy once alongside rendering, appeal, shape language, colors and completed a piece for your art portfolio
>If you Instead spend those 3 hours figure drawing instead, you've only messily practiced your anatomy 8 times and gotten a bunch of doodles you can throw in the trashcan
take the just draw pill

[Anonymous No.6372188]

>>6371901
Having direction is very helpful. If you just draw/study without direction, it'll take longer to get to where you're going. I still struggle with this a lot. Hell, even after 2 years, my fundamentals are still very shaky in a lot of areas because I never had a proper direction.

>>6371979
How does worse lines on references suggest lack of confidence? How could I improve it?

>>6372021
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by refinement. Do you mean line quality, or quality of the entire image? How would I make them more "refined" looking?

[Anonymous No.6372222]

>>6371846
#bridgmagrindset

[Anonymous No.6374309]

>>6371907
Wise words. Well said.

[Anonymous No.6374330]

>>6371846
Who is more beginner friendly, Bridgman or Hogarth?

[Anonymous No.6374347]

>>6371907
>learning from mistakes
This and it's also good practice to look at your piece with critical eye and think of other ways how you could push it even further.

[Anonymous No.6374356]

>>6374330
I started with Hogarth, I think he might be more beginner friendly, Really exaggerating the forms for you to memorize, but for posing? not good, Bridgeman is the cure.

[Anonymous No.6374474]

>>6371846
wow this book is huge, i want to draw anime style characters, are there more adapted books you would recommend?
thanks for the share.

[Anonymous No.6374478]

>>6374474
that is the anime adaptation anon

[Anonymous No.6374496]

>>6371846
Pure and utter crabbing. Instead of addressing his problems directly, you give him a time waster. Op I assure you books won't help you.

[Anonymous No.6374506]

>>6371834
Perspective and value and stop drawing anime. Will unironically improve your anime

[Anonymous No.6374519]

>>6374496
not op but what should i use to learn?
i used to draw a lot as a kid but now i really want to learn seriously, so where to start?
i used this website https://drawabox.com/ to learn perspective a while ago, should continue their whole course?

[Anonymous No.6374546]

>>6374496
>Op I assure you books won't help you.
Now that is crabbing lol. You come in here, dismiss one of the best books on building figures, and offer nothing yourself. pfft

[Anonymous No.6374553]

>>6374474
You don't copy the drawings in it to learn the style, you copy them to help internalize what you read in the accompanying text. See what the drawings are teaching you about the body.

[Anonymous No.6374567]

>>6371964
THIS IS TERRIBLE ADVICE HOLY FUCK DO NOT LISTEN TO IT! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS RETARD!

[Anonymous No.6374616]

>>6374567
>>6374553
>>6374546
>>6374506
>>6374496
>>6374356
Talk is cheap.
Now let's see your anime art.

[Anonymous No.6374628]

>>6372188
>How would I make them more "refined" looking?
you're leaving some jagged lines/obvious brush strokes, pic rel
make it clean, like you're putting it on a store shelf, no half measures, leave nothing up to the imagination

[Anonymous No.6374630]

>>6374616

[Anonymous No.6374842]

>>6374630
do these art teachers that write books have a single finished drawing with full composition and a story? No floating heads, no unfinished naked people. An actual PIECE.

[Anonymous No.6374860]

>>6371604
You won't make any really satisfying gains until around the third year, and then various things will start to click about how bad you are which will prompt you to study more methodically, e.g. "my hands and feet look like shit because I spend the least amount of time on them when I do a finished piece, and I can only fix this by grinding out hundreds of hands and feet over the next few months whenever I have a pen and paper available, and even then, they won't be GOOD but I'll still be able to spend two minutes on them and a half hour on booba as I've been doing all along."

[Anonymous No.6374863]

>>6374860
And then you may notice "huh I really don't know how wrists and elbows work I've just been sticking hands on tubes..."

[Anonymous No.6374885]

>>6374567
ALRIGHT.....jesus christ

[Anonymous No.6374955]

>>6371834
Honestly, just do a lot more of these. Maybe try more dynamic poses once in a while. Seems to me like most of the issues with these works comes from a lack of practice. You're coming along fine, and as long as you try to make every every finished drawing your best drawing ever, you'll continue to grow and improve. That's what I did (pic related, old works but you get the idea).

[Anonymous No.6375113]

>>6374628
Ah, I didn't really notice a lot of those broken lines until they were pointed out. I'll try to be more mindful with my lines going forward.

>>6374860
I've been trying to get better at faces specifically because people I show my art to tell me that my faces tend to be the weakest part of all my drawings. I still struggle with them a lot despite them being one of the things I've practiced on the most.

>>6374955
Really nice improvement. I never considered trying to make every single one of my drawings my "best drawing ever." I'll give that a shot next time, see how it pans out. I want to make a manga one day, but I don't think I'm ready to start on any large project yet.

[Anonymous No.6375123]

>>6371604
your imagination figures look pretty good if not just sketchinb
but your reference drawings actually look worse. i think you're looking to much and not analyzing
my advice would be to just paint your damn figures. even if its just a block in

[Anonymous No.6375131]

>>6371604
u'd probably do well to copy good artists u like.

[Anonymous No.6375686]

>>6374553
>>6374630
>>6371846
at what level of fundies should i tackle when reading bridgman?
i dont think a /beg/ like me can use this book but what do you think?

[Anonymous No.6375723]

>>6375686
Difficult for beginners. I had used a few random anatomy books before it (Jenő Barcsay, Hogarth and some no name skeleton and muscle reference book)
Have a try anyway though, The difficulty varies, some parts are easy(pic rel)
https://archive.org/details/pdfy-72f-FzW7wYN_r0ny/mode/2up

[Anonymous No.6375791]

>>6371604
Can you draw some shapes? Like 2 sets of a sphere, square, and a pyramid at two different angles. And if your feeling spicy you could also try a 3rd set where you intersect them together.

[Anonymous No.6375805]

>>6374474
P sure a lot of manga artists do bridgman and morpho

[Anonymous No.6375809]

>>6374630
Blown the actual fuck out, holy shit
>>6374842
Post your work crab shitter (you absolutely won't)
>>6374474
Toshinari's sketchbook (still do Bridgman though)

[Anonymous No.6375854]

>>6375809
You think art is some kind of competition where the point is to mog other artists. So when I post my work and its better than yours it will cause you to shitpost in other threads to lash out in rage. I dont want to degrade the quality of this board.

[Anonymous No.6375857]

>>6375854
KWAB

[Anonymous No.6375954]

>>6375723
>Difficult for beginners
ah fuck
guess i'll try the book later when i'm semi decent or when at least i'm done with ktd

[Anonymous No.6375964]

>>6375954
Everything is difficult for beginners

[Anonymous No.6375969]

>>6375964
Bridgeman can be confusing. This Proko video would help someone wanting to try it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpnP28b3riY

This youtube comment is also of note.
>I was doing horrible at my Bridgman studies until my teacher suggested simply pulling up an anatomy diagram of the muscles in the human body. From there it was simply seeing which parts Bridgman was showing and how he added the flow, which helped immediately. Just some handy advice.

[Anonymous No.6375980]

>>6375969
oh i see
does that mean learning bridgman along with anatomy helps the process?

[Anonymous No.6376021]

>>6375980
Yeah, There are actually 6 books inside Bridgeman's complete guide btw.

Bridgman's Life Drawing
Constructive Anatomy
The Human Machine
Heads Features and Faces
The Book of a Hundred Hands
Drawing the Draped Figure

[Anonymous No.6376032]

>>6376021
holy shit that's many
i didnt know it was an actual compilation

[Anonymous No.6376036]

>>6374630
this is advanced /ic/ humor

[Anonymous No.6376738]

>>6371604
2 years it's still a small amount of time but you're good so far. Learn to observe thru lines and shapes, pay more attention to the photo more than your own drawing and don't worry, you will get the photo eventually or try drawing from the photo upside down, that helps too. You can also trace parts of the photo to get the basic shapes right. Pic related it's a nice book that teaches these methods.

[Anonymous No.6376748]

>>6371604
go back to basics. When you 'reference', literally trace over them. make sure you draw the correct ovals and loomis/reilly stuff (or whatever you want to use). your construction is like you are imitating actual construction, but doing it so half assed like you never learned. like you just saw other people do that type of stuff and randomly tried to copy it without knowing what they are drawing or what the construction shapes represent.

[Anonymous No.6376763]

>>6376738

Thanks for the tip OP, now PYW.

[Anonymous No.6376766]

>>6374496
Ok now, post your work. You know the drill.

[Anonymous No.6376767]

>>6376748
This is actually a pretty good observation. You can tell a lot by a person's construction lines!

[Anonymous No.6376772]

>>6371604
>this is terrible
fuck my life

[Anonymous No.6376796]

>>6374842
Fucking kill yourself, most art isnt your stupid anime shit. I reiterate. PLease kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.6376802]

>>6376796
>t. has never completed a full illustration or finished a single drawing
I'm sorry nobody cares about your sketches, it's no wonder why .AI has blown up in popularity since it enables anyone to draft virtually any scene on demand.

[Anonymous No.6376814]

>>6376796
what does my post have to do with anime? I asked for finished art from these art teachers, that's all. Why would that trigger you?

[Anonymous No.6376852]

>>6375123
I find that I'm generally worse at drawing figures from reference than I am at drawing figures from imagination. It's a common thing with me, and I never really understood why this happens.

>>6375131
I was interested in trying out Saito's 3 month method, but I read countless times that it wasn't a method designed for beginners. And I consider myself still a beginner in a lot of ways, so I decided against doing that method for the time being.

>>6376738
Thanks. I did try tracing some things a few times, but I felt like I had a hard time learning anything from it, so I stopped and went back to standard referencing.

>>6376748
Why parts about my construction do you think are the "imitation" parts?

>>6376772
Terrible relatively. I'm under the impression that a lot of people who have been drawing for the same amount of time that I have are far better at it. I've seen some really good stuff in progress threads, but it makes me feel bad about my own progress.

[Anonymous No.6376995]

>>6371604
I'm not good with imagination either, I'm kind of around your level. This is just what I've been thinking lately

I'm still learning but I had a dream last night where someone said to draw a figure and then rotate it and try to draw it from a different angle. I noticed on discord when people do this type of study it really shows what volumes they're not understanding, often times it's the belly, neck/collar area and pelvis that's confused. They don't often get critiqued though, probably you'd be better off posting work here. It's easy to draw a good looking pose and kind of fake it you know? But turning the shapes forces you to really think and assess what you've done. When I do it I get really confused and need to look up references, diagrams and other artists work to get an idea. Think that goes to show I never was thinking in volumes to begin with

My two cents :*

[Anonymous No.6377042]

>>6376763
that's not OP, anon

[Anonymous No.6377193]

>>6374474
Those Korean(?) books by that Taco fella

[Anonymous No.6377205]

>>6375805
>morpho
There are like fifty books by this guy, do I just buy everything related to anatomy or is there a compendium? Interesting body of work

[Anonymous No.6377230]

>>6371604
Try to keep in mind the function of the body parts you're trying to draw. Proko has anatomy videos on youtube if you want to cover this.

[Anonymous No.6377835]

>>6374567
>>6374885

Not the guy in all caps, but it is bad advice to discourage someone from trying something

There are plenty of painters who always wanted to animate but never done so, and the opposite.

Alex fucking Ross is too deterred to make his very own comic despite having plenty of exp. as an industry legend.

[Anonymous No.6378015]

>>6371604
ygmi

[Anonymous No.6378060]

>>6371604
why don't you lower the opacity of these sketches and draw with a finer brush on top of them to see where you get it?

you barely did the construction, finish something.

[Anonymous No.6380531]

>>6371604
it's okay to use reference anon