Art Programs with integrated AI System

[Anonymous No.6367012]

As an artist, I think they should be making an AI program that empowers artists instead of trying to fully replace them. In the current AI programs the computer is the artist and you fully depend on it to get the results you want, this is ok for non-artists and generating random good looking images, but terrible for depicting precise concepts. The absolute lack of control is it's main flaw.

I imagine that this program would be an actual TOOL, giving full control to the artist, like controlling lighting, textures, line quality/styles, but still using a direct input from an artist.

No, img2img is just bullshit, it will basically make a poor rending if you decide to stick too close to your drawing or deviate too much from it if you want a better render.

Imagine an AI program that use it's learning abilities to understand the user's style and simply help refine it instead of doing everything by itself. That would give us FULL control over the art we're doing while also making it look or more unique and original.

Painting, for instance, could have 2 modes, full-auto and semi-auto. Full auto could work like in 3d rendering, you choose materials, textures, light sources, colors, bouce lights, etc, but let the render engine do it for you. Semi-auto could use some kind of smart brushes that could allow you to roughly paint, while the AI refine it for you, letting you choose from brush work styles, soft, hard or lost edges on the fly.

For those that hate artists and want them to die, you'd still have the current prompt/gacha style and if you ever wanted to get into art for real, you wouldn't need as much skill using this "artist oriented AI" too, so that would also be a great entering step to art.

[Anonymous No.6367019]

That’s a pretty interesting solution to this crisis. I would love to see that.

[Anonymous No.6367037]

I think that's how programs like Clip Studio will evolve to survive

[Anonymous No.6367132]

>>6367012
>As an artist

[Anonymous No.6367137]

>>6367132
Isn't it better than playing gacha? AI won't go away, so we need to at least make it useful. The artist should be in control or the output, not the AI.

[Anonymous No.6367142]

Falseflag threads are even worse than shitposting threads.

[Anonymous No.6367154]

One of the few reasonable uses for AI, but yeah, let's talk shit about it.

[Anonymous No.6367162]

>>6367012
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[Anonymous No.6367164]

>>6367012
Good morning, sirs

[Anonymous No.6367165]

>>6367162
Yeah, keep prompting then.

[Anonymous No.6367183]

>>6367012
Been trying to say that but these niggers refuse to believe how automated production lines already are. Digital art has always been a trap to erode motor skills and foster drag and drop mentality. Just look at 3D. The other option is to become cyborgs. There is no future for stagnant vanilla humans refusing to adapt.

[Anonymous No.6367184]

>>6367012
I think you should be more concerned about integrating a toilet in your bathroom t b h

[Anonymous No.6367209]

>>6367184
Answer me this, do you prefere to have a machine does ALL the work for you or be the one in charge and make the human factor stand out in the final result?

I don't want AIs, but it's already here, if there's a way to stop it, count on me, otherwise, I still want to keep doing art for living and I need to use AI to stay competitive, at least make it in a way my artistic ability WILL directly impact and control the final result.

[Anonymous No.6367218]

>>6367183
I want things to go back how it was before, where skills were really important, but if there's no other way, I prefere to use this thing than be replaced by a fully automated production where the machine that does all the choices.

[Anonymous No.6367220]

>>6367209
Don't dodge the question Rajeesh

[Anonymous No.6367237]

>>6367012
This would be great because right now we have only 2 ways to go, no artist and only prompt or fully manual work (takes more time and costs much more). This would be a 3rd option that does not exclude the artist.

[Anonymous No.6367245]

>>6367218
As we speak there are people on /g/ talking about how they are training the AI and have the general tell you everything you need to know on doing this and more. The only bottleneck is that even a 3090 can take a day or two to accomplish a a training session and not everyone has a 3090 or better. And nobody who isn't naive knows the interaction interface is not going to remain at prompts. That's never been the nature of electronic tech especially the internet.

/ic/ really needs to stop remaining in denial and figure out how to incorporate it or expand their art. Use it even to give art context once it's pumping out make your own video or story or whatever.

[Anonymous No.6367246]

>>6367183
You will never be in a cyberpunk.

[Anonymous No.6367247]

>>6367245
*hours not days. Half an hour at best.

[Anonymous No.6367248]

>>6367245
>training the AI
>on an actual artist's work
You know that the method of "just trace something and move some things around a bit" has been around since forever and is no more ethical than automating it with a machine, right?

[Anonymous No.6367249]

>>6367246
I will be a starpunk

[Anonymous No.6367256]

>>6367012
>Imagine an AI program that use it's learning abilities to understand the user's style and simply help refine it instead of doing everything by itself. That would give us FULL control over the art we're doing
Yes, have the machine capture your particular style at this moment in time and always guid you toward that same result, what a way to guarantee artistic stagnation.
Also
>FULL control over the art
>FULL control
>but just let the AI do all this stuff
kek

[Anonymous No.6367266]

>>6367248
Okay assumimg your premise so instead paying troublesome inefficient humans to do that practically all the time in production pipelines or used pre made or scanned assets,why not use an AI to completely mog you and get better at it? Manipulating parameters with this trained neural network and its digital akashic records beat jeets using a move tool. The history of human innovation is one of tweaks on top of templates and references later in a system of patent whoring.

[Anonymous No.6367267]

>>6367256
More control than a writing prompts and hoping for 1 of the next 287 images turn out somewhat like what you want.

[Anonymous No.6367271]

>>6367245
Training doesn't give you enough control, words will never be as pricise as a manual input, like drawing or moving things like you want.

[Anonymous No.6367276]

when the fuck are jannies on /ic/ going to start banning AI threads? holy fuck

[Anonymous No.6367277]

>>6367012
Hasn't this been a thing for a while now ( since SD came out)?
Everyone is pulling hair over proooompters

[Anonymous No.6367281]

>>6367266
>training a program on an artist's work a against their wishes with the goal to "mog" them, with "mogging" meaning churning out garbage knockoffs in an effort to replace the original artist and profit off their work
I guess if you have zero ethics and no eye for quality, then sure, great solution.

[Anonymous No.6367282]

>>6367276
>when the fuck are jannies on /ic/ going to start banning AI threads? holy fuck
When AI gets banned from art world, otherwise it will have a more than direct impact in the lives, careers and objectives of any artist.

[Anonymous No.6367284]

>>6367276
Ai art is the most relevant thing happening rn

[Anonymous No.6367285]

>>6367277
Nope, right now you cannot follow a precise design that isn't from a famous characters using AI because it's way too autonomous to be usable for things other than fanarts and random illustrations.

[Anonymous No.6367286]

>>6367277
well SD has a krita and photoshop plugin, but it only offers support for txt2img and img2img and such. OP is talking about something a little different.

[Anonymous No.6367564]

>>6367284
>rn
not anymore

[Anonymous No.6367569]

>>6367564
You've been sayimg that all year

[Anonymous No.6367589]

>>6367245
>>6367266
The history of human innovation is that you take some you give some. Industry fucked-up nature and technology fucked-up the human psyche.
No, AI in its current, most popular and widespread form - taking the unquantable time and effort of multiples of artists without their consent and blending them together for a randomized approximation generator - is not a helpful tool for actual artists that use the method of drawing to manifest their mental image.


>>6367277
There is only img2img but that shit gives you gatcha rolls based on doodles instead of text.

[Anonymous No.6367592]

>>6367245
>>6367266
The history of human innovation is that you give some you lose some. Industry fucked-up nature and technology fucked-up the human psyche.
No, AI in its current, most popular and widespread form - taking the unquantable time and effort of multiples of artists without their consent and blending them together for a randomized approximation generator - is not a helpful tool for actual artists that use the method of drawing to manifest their mental image.

>>6367277
There is only img2img but that shit gives you gatcha rolls based on doodles instead of text.

[Anonymous No.6367603]

AI has mastered SOVL, it's over

[Anonymous No.6367610]

>>6367603
soul is in the effort.

[Anonymous No.6367824]

>>6367564
Anon please, denial isn't healthy

[Anonymous No.6367929]

>>6367564
Maybe not for normies, but it is for all the creatives

[Anonymous No.6367936]

>>6367012

I don't need it.

If you want to use it. Use it. I don't give a fuck.

Just don't pretend to be an artist.

Don't steal other artist work and pretend you made it from scratch.

[Anonymous No.6367947]

>>6367012
arent there already programs that turn your scribbles into assests and combine them into paintings/photos already?

also thats stupid
the point of crafting anything, is that you have full control over it, replacing yourself with an AI, even if you "guide it" defeats the point
also, it will only reuse assets anyway

[Anonymous No.6367958]

>>6367947
>you have full control over it
is someone going to tell him?

[Anonymous No.6367982]

>>6367276
The weirdest part is that sometimes they come in delete a few random threads and leave the other.

[Anonymous No.6368002]

>>6367137
The cat is out of the bags sirs
The shit is out of the loo

[Anonymous No.6368011]

>>6367012
no, I will not train your art stealing machine, rajheet, no matter how you present it to me
you retards can keep coping all you want about how its just a tool and that you're still an artist in spite of using this data wood chipper that does 95% of the work for you, it won't make you any less of a failure

[Anonymous No.6368043]

>>6367012
Forget much of /ic/. They'll just stomp their feet or keep moving the "you are now here" goal posts of denial. Anything but figuring out how to make money with it or otherwise not care since the fundamental purpose of art hasn't changed.

[Anonymous No.6368046]

>Don't pretend you made it from scratch.
>it will only reuse assets anyway
>you retards can keep coping all you want about how its just a tool and that you're still an artist in spite of using this data wood chipper that does 95% of the work for you
You guys must really hate 3D art and the industry at large.

[Anonymous No.6368219]

>>6368046
3d Art is still made, you dishonest idiot.

Ai Art is generated and was created to harm artists

[Anonymous No.6368238]

>>6367947
This is just a better option to the almost zero control and “let the computer do everything by itself” of the current AI. Prompting is nothing like doing art, it’s more like coding, now with an artistic approach AI, it would give more control to the user and feel way more intuitive.

Personally I hope AI is just a trend and people will forget its existence in the future, but if not, at least make it more manageable.

[Anonymous No.6368241]

>>6368046
theres an universe of difference between a good and bad 3d artist
there are 5 hours of tinkering with SD jank and 2 keywords of difference between the shittiest and best proompter
fuck off this board and kill yourself

[Anonymous No.6368242]

>>6368219
In 3d art the rendering is entirely done by the rendering engine, isn’t that what OP said that could be done? I don’t wouldn’t like to see this for 2d art, but the analogy is correct.

[Anonymous No.6368245]

>>6368241
Wasn’t that the OP’s point? To integrate 100% manual inputs instead of prompts? I guess the idea is to make it work like a smarter line stabilization, AI enhanced brushes and filters (like an auto detect depth of field, motion blur, more efficient liquify, etc). All things we already have in digital art programs, just smarter.

[Anonymous No.6368274]

>>6368046

3D artist don't claim shit when they used others assets and shit. In fact they often share or sell their own custom shit.

You don't know shit about this world. STFU and go fiddle with your AI shit somewhere else.

[Anonymous No.6368383]

>>6368274
>You don't know shit about this world
It's funny how every retard who generates an image with StableDiffusion will go into art communities and act like they not only suddenly understand art, but also act like they understand all the ins and outs of art community norms, and/or that said norms should suddenly change to cater specifically to them.

[Anonymous No.6368569]

>>6367569
>>6367824
>>6367929
yeah no. Same fagging isnt helping you either Raj

[Anonymous No.6368920]

>>6368383
Right? They're vile arrogant creatures. My contempt for these smug subhumans grow stronger every day.

[Anonymous No.6369325]

>>6367012
THERE ARE 12 THREADS ABOUT AI UP ON /ic/ RIGHT NOW

THERE ARE 19 THREADS ABOUT ELON MUSK OR HOW TO GET POPULAR ON TWITTER UP ON /ic/ RIGHT NOW

THAT'S A TOTAL OF 31 THREADS ABOUT 2 TOPICS

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THREADS ABOUT AI:

>>6369226
>>6369059
>>6368525
>>6367635 (AND ABOUT TWITTER)
>>6367116
>>6367012
>>6366171
>>6364656 (AND ABOUT TWITTER)
>>6363640
>>6362886 (AND ABOUT PIXIV NUMBERS)
>>6357746
>>6357600


THREADS ABOUT NUMBERS ON SOCIAL MEDIA:

>>6369247
>>6368281
>>6367700
>>6367635 (AND ABOUT AI)
>>6367438
>>6367280
>>6366264
>>6365807
>>6364656 (AND ABOUT AI)
>>6364522
>>6364246
>>6363872
>>6362886 (AND ABOUT AI)
>>6362405
>>6360135
>>6356821
>>6356353
>>6348891

[Anonymous No.6369733]

>>6367266
shut the fuck up you've never comissioned an artist in your life and you're too damn lazy to work on bettering your art.

[Anonymous No.6369857]

>>6367012
Saw some website recently that allowed you to put realist lighting onto images. It had a depth system and you could change the light colors... A damn shame i forgot the site, I've been looking for it again so I could play with it. Not the best, but for the right images and in the right hands, it could be useful