/msg/ - Master Studies General

[Anonymous No.6294147]

This thread is dedicated to master studies, where you copy artwork you admire as a form of study. They are the quickest way to improve and learn about any fundamental you are having problems with. If you need to work on your hands, copy hands from other artists, and if you're having trouble with rendering, make careful studies of paintings with lighting you admire. Studies can be quick or long. You can even copy anatomy books like Bridgman, Morpho, and Hogarth. The type of studies you want to do depend on your personal goals and the types of problems you are grappling with.

Artists of all levels are welcome. Critiques and redlines are encouraged.

Recommended watching:
https://youtu.be/YVAtRojlCS8
https://youtu.be/cF2UtfFT7y8
https://youtu.be/ni30Hp72aeY
https://youtu.be/ko7H8FGwks8
https://youtu.be/7ukExmlSRWU

Images:
https://setteidreams.net/settei/
https://www.sakugabooru.com/post
https://mangakatana.com/
https://animationscreencaps.com/
https://artsandculture.google.com/explore
artbook thread: >>>/ic/artbook

Previous thread: >>6195268

[Anonymous No.6294311]

>>6294147
>Images:
>https://setteidreams.net/settei/
>https://www.sakugabooru.com/post
>https://mangakatana.com/
>https://animationscreencaps.com/
Can someone explain why these are considered related to the master study general?

[Anonymous No.6294331]

>>6294311
You can always do your part and link more resources to masterworks you know

https://artvee.com/
https://collections.louvre.fr/en/

[Anonymous No.6294334]

>>6294147
I did this for an online course I'm taking.

[Anonymous No.6294357]

>>6294334
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.6294363]

>>6294334
what course?

[Anonymous No.6294401]

>>6294331
If I find anything worthwhile I'll share it, I was just curious how those links ended up there since they don't seem at all related to the thread.

[Anonymous No.6294412]

>>6294357
what bud?

[Anonymous No.6294413]

>>6294363
It's the digital art course by syn design. It's expensive but I'm pretty serious about art and I want to get to the next level.

[Anonymous No.6294776]

>>6294413
If you are serious about art I have a discord channel where we take courses from various schools like Brainstorm, CDA or Peter Han's owrkshops and share between ourselves afterwards. If you are willing to put your Syn Studio courses in the pile, you'd be welcomed there. You just need to be serious about it and not a joke like 99,999% of IC.

[Anonymous No.6294840]

Agott sketch

>>6294334
very nice. Is that a bargue?

[Anonymous No.6294842]

Agott finish

[Anonymous No.6295295]

Starting drawing lessons from the great masters.

[Anonymous No.6295316]

Holy fucking shit this was hard. I've got to do this again digitally, because of how subtle the inking here was. (Will I ever draw as well as Kamome-sensei...)

>>6295295
it's a very good book. I feel like you could do the Carracci copy again, since the structure is broken. If you want a redline, i can make one for you (but im sure you can figure it out yourself :D)

[Anonymous No.6295329]

Messy memory sketch. (memory failed me on the hair)

[Anonymous No.6295359]

>>6295329
I actually like the hand in this one better!

[Anonymous No.6295371]

>>6295359
those knees are very well done

[Anonymous No.6295679]

>>6294149
You're right, thank you. I gave it another shot. This particular drawing has been the hardest to decipher so far :/

[Anonymous No.6295705]

>>6294334
out of curiosity, are you aware it's a Bargue plate?
http://www.dorian-iten.com/howtodraw

your forms are far too round compared to the original;you midtones are too dark. but it's not bad overall

[Anonymous No.6295710]

>>6295679
oh! this is much better

[Anonymous No.6295796]

>>6294776
gib discord

[Anonymous No.6296362]

>>6294147
I did a same study of that statue - 1 hr

[Anonymous No.6296448]

imma ink this tmrw

>>6295796
you don't need those courses my man! Just buy a manga and study

>>6296362
very very nice. I feel like I could touch it

[Anonymous No.6296498]

>>6296362
Damn, I fucking kneel. Love the painterly edges on the thigh
>>6296448
Nice drapery! What manga is this from again?

[Anonymous No.6296686]

>>6296448
thanks!
>>6296498
was done in 2015

[Anonymous No.6297583]

>>6296498
>What manga is this from again?
I'm working from Witch Hat Atelier! (good knees again, btw)

[Anonymous No.6297669]

Some Morpho feet as warmup. (embracing my inner footfag)

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[Anonymous No.6297711]

wip. will continue this tomorrow

[Anonymous No.6297794]

>>6297711
Very clean hatching

[Anonymous No.6297805]

>>6294147

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>>6294147

[Anonymous No.6297831]

ic is really getting out of hand with all the new generals...

[Anonymous No.6297841]

>>6297831
bah, not that bad of an idea, this allows to separate sub-communities, thus reducing chaos/useless fights, and in /msg/'s case, encourage people to do useful practice

>>6297817
cosy

[Anonymous No.6297847]

quick scribble before bed

>>6297794
ty

>>6297817
nice, i like the wonky perspective

>>6297831
every thread should be a general imo. Why have 2-3 generals and 80+ shitpost/bait threads?

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[Anonymous No.6297866]

>>6297817
is that lynne?

[Anonymous No.6299122]

bump

[Anonymous No.6299149]

I've never really drawn feet before, but I love the way Bridgman breaks them down.

[Anonymous No.6299181]

>>6299149
horaa, those feet are actually incredible

[Anonymous No.6299258]

>>6296362
What is the statue called?

[Anonymous No.6299963]

>>6296448
manga won't teach me the fundie as needed to render well sadly

[Anonymous No.6300367]

>>6299963
Med's map

[Anonymous No.6300387]

>>6300367
i'll check it out, thanks

[Anonymous No.6300502]

>>6294147
i follow the mogoon course and study his work

[Anonymous No.6300699]

I was gonna procrastinate on this again but I made myself finish it.

>>6299149
looking forward to the feet you'll draw tonight

>>6300502
d-did you draw that??

[Anonymous No.6300700]

>>6299181
<3
Time to make foot fetish art and rake in the big bucks

[Anonymous No.6300976]

>>6300700
very gestural

[Anonymous No.6301195]

I never sleep

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[Anonymous No.6301246]

>>6301195
weird forehead fr fr

[Anonymous No.6301261]

had to redraw the face. hair is lousy, but the face is better, i think

>>6301246
man, i worked hard on that forehead fr fr

[Anonymous No.6301325]

kek imstarted this last year and worked on it on and off for a few months and i havent touched it since. should i even bother finishing at this point?

[Anonymous No.6301326]

>>6301325
oops forgot pic

[Anonymous No.6301747]

>>6301326
Choose something simpler anon.

Also, no offense, but I don't really understand why tackling something like this digitally. If I were to spend hours of a Boug, I would make a trad that I could sell or hang around. Good practice though

[Anonymous No.6302170]

>>6294147
>>6296362
What statue is this?

[Anonymous No.6302720]

>>6302170
this is the statue
https://www.pinterest.com.au/pin/353321533241263954/

[Anonymous No.6302805]

[Anonymous No.6303113]

Some bridgman to start the day
>>6302805
Always love seeing you're still going, keep it up man

[Anonymous No.6303375]

>>6302170
Eve by Thomas Brock

[Anonymous No.6303488]

feedback plz

[Anonymous No.6304348]

>>6295295
alright i redid the caracci

[Anonymous No.6304600]

Lindegren copy, oil on rock SLAB

[Anonymous No.6304824]

Bros, I fucking love drawing feet
>>6304600
Holy shit you're good

[Anonymous No.6304829]

>>6304824
Whoops, linework
Sorry for the double post but it's not letting me delete reeeee

[Anonymous No.6304869]

>>6300699
>d-did you draw that??
yeah take quite sometime to follow the guy

[Anonymous No.6305670]

>>6303488
I tried replying last night but this captcha shit is annoying as FUCK. anyway, you need more white / light on top of the head. Think FORM and the direction of the overall light source. Your drawing is correct but your value issues made me look twice at your drawing/measuring. Correct your values and I bet it will look like magic .

>>6304824
Thanks friend! Nice foot

[Anonymous No.6305710]

>>6303488
Same anon here. Your drawing is actually wrong in a few places on another look. Take that eye/contour on the shadow side and tuck it behind. Again, think FORM and you'll kick out some drawing errors.

Also, here's a 3 hour oil color study from life from this morning. Fucked up the head, wiped it out.

[Anonymous No.6305855]

>>6305710
>>6303488

Thx anon...I don't usually go back to fix things but how long would it take to make corrections? I feel like I was taking too long on it (2hrs) and I haven't done any detailing yet so I guess I can still fix the big shapes.

[Anonymous No.6306428]

>>6305855
Probably best to just move on , if that's your schtyle, anon.

[Anonymous No.6307218]

[Anonymous No.6307238]

So happy there's so much work being done in this thread.

>>6307218
you're either very talented at feet, or you've improved a lot since you started Bridgman, or both. Probably both!

>>6305710
>>6304600
amazing. I think I used your Sargent study for the 2nd /msg/ thread

>>6304348
huge improvement

>>6303488
veyr very nice

>>6303113
glad to see you back

[Anonymous No.6307239]

>>6301326
i think you did a great job being accurate in your painting, but perhaps now you need to buckle down and study the figure and human anatomy!

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[Anonymous No.6309504]

>>6309213
>>6309214
Lookin clean!

[Anonymous No.6309794]

What a monumentally sad day for all artists. Wish my skills were good enough to give him a proper tribute. I'll be doing more studies from his books this week.

[Anonymous No.6311666]

>>6295295
That book has some really beautiful drawings

>>6309213
>>6309214
>>6297817
very nice

[Anonymous No.6311678]

>>6311666

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>>6311678

[Anonymous No.6311704]

>>6311686

[Anonymous No.6311813]

>>6311666
Damn i really gave this b*tch rugby arms huh

[Anonymous No.6313339]

>>6311704
nice. Ghost in the Shell is one of my favorite animations. It's just one of those that sticks in your head forever, even after only watching it once

[Anonymous No.6313423]

That's it for the body. It's just drapery now. And then the second pass starts. RIP KJG, damn.

[Anonymous No.6313474]

>>6313423
Congrats! really feels like you finished the book so quickly. I hope you didn't skip any pages. (grr)

[Anonymous No.6315067]

>>6294147
study

[Anonymous No.6315735]

>>6313474
Nah, just skipped heads like Finch says to. I have the Loomis book for those

[Anonymous No.6315765]

>>6294147
Picrel is a total fuckup of techniques, its just a salad

[Anonymous No.6316194]

it's interesting that this simple study was a massive pain in an ass when I did >>6300387 in 40 mins lol

[Anonymous No.6317066]

[Anonymous No.6317915]

frank benson study/copy

[Anonymous No.6317930]

>>6316194
rendering itself is a pain in the ass lol

>>6315735
>>6317066
Bridgman's drapery was always very confusing to me. How are you faring?

>>6317915
incredible. Do you start with a line sketch?

[Anonymous No.6317943]

I can never quite capture KJG's expressions and posing. It's so subtle.

[Anonymous No.6317992]

>>6317930
>>6317943
great studies and a high volume of them, you are getting better fast.
i did start with a line sketch but i lost it fast, doesnt matter since ur supposed to find it again and again.

[Anonymous No.6318037]

>>6311686
Damn, this guy is a coomer.

[Anonymous No.6318892]

how do yall approach pen studies, I don't appear to be proficient enough to get accurate proportion with an indelible medium like the below vid. I can always do it in pencil lightly first and go over in ink and hope the line confidence comes with time - or should I just force myself to do bad/inaccurate ink studies to learn line confidence asap

https://youtu.be/AdT-buE_zIg

[Anonymous No.6319692]

>>6317930
Uhhh, okay so far. Don't know how I'll do with imaginative drawing but I think I'm learning. Pen is finally giving up the ghost, it lasted a lot longer than I thought it would. Good thing I have 59 more!

[Anonymous No.6319717]

>>6317992
Thank you, you're too kind. I am in a slump in life atm and its encouraging to hear that. Someday I hope to be able to paint like you too, but I will be focusing on comics first

>>6319692
Saddest moments of my life are when I lose a favorite pen. I mourn for you

[Anonymous No.6319725]

>>6319717
No, I'm happy about it! I bought a big box of cheap bic ballpoints and I want to use them all up by drawing lots.

[Anonymous No.6319727]

>>6319725
based positive mindset. gmi

[Anonymous No.6321116]

>>6294147
Fuck me, the arm is hard to draw. So many damn muscles

[Anonymous No.6321277]

moving on to chapter 3

[Anonymous No.6321348]

>>6319692
Very proud of you for finishing the bodies in the book! As for the imagination drawing, just look at the drawing for a realllyyy long time and take note of how bridgeman draws specific body parts, that’s what I plan on doing when I get there and I’ve heard other anons give that advice

[Anonymous No.6321912]

>>6321348
Thanks anon

[Anonymous No.6321917]

is hogarth good for /beg/?
I got recommended it and it helps but it is rather advanced so I can't use 80% of it yet. also I can only use it to draw two body types desu

[Anonymous No.6323017]

>>6321917
Hogarth is good for anyone!

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[Anonymous No.6323187]

>>6315765
>Picrel is a total fuckup of techniques
Can you or someone elaborate? Genuinely curious as a /beg/. I don't really care about the crabbing and I'm not OP

[Anonymous No.6325387]

[Anonymous No.6325436]

Im looking for high res reference images prefereably life models can anyone help

[Anonymous No.6325856]

Morpho day 18

[Anonymous No.6326937]

>>6325387
you're already improving your drapery. I love seeing you start a new chapter in Bridgman, take a few steps back in skill, then jump back up as you progress in that subject matter. Really hope you keep posting as you do your 2nd pass through Bridgman

>>6325856
nice. the Head chapter is a bit brutal, but there are no shortcuts to learning faces

[Anonymous No.6327154]

>>6326937
Thanks anon, I definitely feel that lol

[Anonymous No.6328210]

>>6325856
Morpho day 19

>>6326937
Thanks for the encouragement, I appreciate it <3

[Anonymous No.6328557]

i SHOULD be working on my rendering... but, eh...

>>6327154
>>6328210
beautiful

[Anonymous No.6329079]

>>6328210
Looking good!
>>6328557
I think the rendering on this is really good!

[Anonymous No.6329962]

>>6328210
Morpho day 20

>>6328557
>>6329079
I'm glad you guys like these! Chances are you'll be seeing more - I want to do 2 hours of those studies each day and posting here helps with staying motivated.

[Anonymous No.6330227]

I was wondering what kind of construction Renaissance artists did for anatomy, but I can't find any. Did they just draw it, no construction or anything?

[Anonymous No.6330303]

>>6330227
I could either give you a 5 minute answer or a 5 hour answer, and I still wouldn't be done talking about it, because this is quite a vast subject. Yes, Renaissance artists drew with construction, just look at the sketches Michelangelo did on the side of this drawing. You could've told me Hogarth / Bridgman drew it and I wouldn't question it.

Drawing is form, and that's all it is. Learn to control form, and you can draw. Da Vinci's arms there are just basic cylinders, each muscle fiber has been simplified into a further cylinder. Those veins / arteries are cylinders, and. the shading is cylindrical. The knuckles in that hand are balls connected by boxes, with smaller balls on top to represent the knobs in the knuckles.

[Anonymous No.6330305]

>>6330227
Here is a rougher michelangelo drawing. See how each muscle is a simple shape? It's not a wobbly line that he made by observing the contours of the model. This drawing here might as well be a collection of lego pieces. Every shape is a stretched / squashed / deformed sphere / cylinder / box. But that doesn't mean the drawing is formulaic. Please remember that. The Loomis head is formulaic, because you use the same forms and shapes every single time, but Renaissance drawing is free. You can use an egg for the rib cage, OR you can use a box. It's up to you, your choice of form is a creative choice.

Look into Vilppu / Robert Beverly Hale for more

[Anonymous No.6330338]

I know this is /msg/ but does anyone have tips for drawing from life? I feel like all my accuracy goes out the window and I can't tell where things are in relation to each other, even simple angles get hugely distorted. Is it just a practice thing?

[Anonymous No.6330354]

>>6330338
You are already drawing the Bridgman studies very accurately, just apply the same skills to life. Look for plumb lines, angles, shapes, etc, and do it very often, so you can be accurate by instinct instead of mechanical technique. What you ultimately want to develop is your eye, not your ability to use a knitting needle to xerox a good drawing.

Aside all that, you really want solid constructions much more than "accurate" drawings. Pic related is a Glen Keane figure drawing from life, which is 100% not literally accurate, but accurate in a 3d anatomical sense.

[Anonymous No.6330466]

>>6330354
Fuck I love Glen Keane. Do you know where I can find a bunch of his stuff?
And thanks, I just feel like I'm having trouble translating my accuracy skills from photo/drawing ref to IRL, I guess I just need to slow down and work on it some more.

[Anonymous No.6330481]

went to dark on the cap :X

[Anonymous No.6330536]

>>6330305
Your advice is always much appreciated, wise-anon. I think you’re secretly Colleen Barry, but of course you’d never admit that, would you?

[Anonymous No.6331050]

How does one study this book? Read through it and copy every image?

[Anonymous No.6331164]

>>6331050
that sounds like a good way to do it. Also, find books on your favorite artists and copy their art on the side, along with studying figure drawing and anatomy

[Anonymous No.6331381]

>>6331050
he lists exercises to do throughout in addition to the studies. Like he basically tells you to copy bones and cylinder still lifes in the anatomy and value chapter respectively. I'm going through it now, for a first pass I'm just trying for half the studies per chapter - some are extremely tough - look at the rembrandt in chapter 2 or the da vinci in chapter 1 - and you'll probably want to try them on a second read through. Vandruff apparently has gone through the book a dozen or so times.

Pick up Master class in Figure Drawing and Anatomy Lessons from the Great Masters too, they are dirt cheap used on amazon and are basically further study / analysis into anatomy + loads more studies.

[Anonymous No.6331708]

more chapter 3

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[Anonymous No.6331739]

>>6331717
aaa you're getting so good

>>6331708
very good copy, i remember when i was a beginner, that drawing baffled me so much

[Anonymous No.6331747]

>>6331739
thanks, I rage quit the Durer silverpoint sketch at the beginning of chapter 3 for the same reason.

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>>6331739
Thanks anon!

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[Anonymous No.6334827]

>>6334320
oh man, you copied the da vinci and durer drawings too! (I skipped those because they were too hard lol)

[Anonymous No.6334840]

Im going through morpho as well. After this, I will spend some time drawing before going for bridgman. Not sure I have the draftsmanship and accuracy yet.

[Anonymous No.6335212]

>>6334840
Is that anatomy for artists?

[Anonymous No.6335265]

>>6335212
Simplified forms.

[Anonymous No.6335522]

First time here. Practice for values i just finished -dropped halfway. I find it hard to control my values and places like eyes and hair drive me crazy

[Anonymous No.6335535]

>>6335522
Values are okay, but proportions are off; you'd need to slow down to get there though. But if you're about to spend 10h on this, maybe doing in with trad would be a better option (that's what I'd do anyway)

[Anonymous No.6335540]

>>6335535
Nta but why care about exact proportion if your goal is to study values?

[Anonymous No.6335558]

>>6335535
yeah i noticed my proportions are off and im working in it. But i noticed it kinda late and didn´t want to fuck it even more :[

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[Anonymous No.6336065]

>>6334827
Thanks lol I almost skipped em
>>6334840
Looking good! How is Morpho's drapery book, does anyone know?

[Anonymous No.6336080]

anyone have that ruan jia image of his students doing master studies

[Anonymous No.6336142]

>>6336080
this one?

[Anonymous No.6336145]

>>6336142
that's the one, thanks

[Anonymous No.6336147]

>>6336145
There was this one too. Krenz Cushart also had similar pics of his students studies.

[Anonymous No.6336502]

>>6336065
I remember he ssid at tje end he traced the drawings so idk if Im gonna study it. Dont have it rn.

[Anonymous No.6336968]

>>6336065
Are you making these with pens?

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[Anonymous No.6337812]

memory sketches

[Anonymous No.6337813]

sorry. compressed

[Anonymous No.6338008]

>>6336968
Yeah, just some cheap bic ballpoints

[Anonymous No.6338040]

>>6338008
Looks much better than my cheap bic ballpoints drawings.

[Anonymous No.6338043]

>>6337812
>Right guy
>"Please be patient I have autism".

[Anonymous No.6338073]

>>6317930
Is that the cyber demon from DOOM but as a anime girl?

[Anonymous No.6339201]

I ditched class to make master copies today.

>>6338008
>>6338040
Bridgman-anon is just really skilled

[Anonymous No.6339208]

Did this one right afterwards, from memory. I find that memory drawing helps you improve 5x faster than if you just did straight studies, because it causes you to make the same shapes directly in your personal work, so I will try to do more of these

[Anonymous No.6339210]

wonky sketch. Construction is slightly broken here

[Anonymous No.6339218]

Memory Drawing #1 + Correction sketch I made after I looked at the original art again

[Anonymous No.6339219]

Memory Drawing #2, done 30 min after I did the first memory drawing. (I did something else in between, which I can post next)

[Anonymous No.6339223]

This is a memory drawing, but I won't post the first study I did of this panel because I messed it up.

Total drawing session lasted 2.5 hours today. These things take so much time but it's a lot of fun. Blogpost over

[Anonymous No.6339229]

>>6338073
That was a Kim Jung Gi study, so I don't know

>>6338043
I took certain liberties with those lol

[Anonymous No.6339298]

>>6339201
Too kind lol
I really like your spaced repetition drawings, looks like it's really sinking in!

[Anonymous No.6339566]

>>6339298
Thank you :D Seems like you only have 1 or 2 sessions of drawing left! I hope you don't quit on the second pass, because it really is frickin' hard. I quit for 2 weeks after my first pass because of how hard the memory drawing was.

[Anonymous No.6341099]

bump

[Anonymous No.6341388]

(1/2)

[Anonymous No.6341395]

>>6341388
(2/2)
That's it, bros. Took me 5 months, 2 pens, and 1 sketchbook. Thanks for all the support.

Tomorrow the real work begins.

[Anonymous No.6341405]

>>6341395
also fuck that bird lol i rushed that shit so bad, WHO CARES it's just the halfway point

[Anonymous No.6341426]

>>6341405
You're halfway through Bridgman?

[Anonymous No.6341438]

>>6341426
I finished my first pass, now I start drawing from memory.

[Anonymous No.6342658]

Waiting on you, Bridgman-kun <3

[Anonymous No.6342675]

>>6342658
This is... going to be difficult
Did two passes, both from memory, trying to correct my mistakes. Do you know how fucking tempting it is to glance??? Especially when you relized you FORGOT which way the leg is going? Probably gonna do some spaced repetition on these... whoof

[Anonymous No.6342678]

>>6342658
>>6342675
but for a status report of how my drawing from photo reference is going, this is the first thing I drew after finishing my first pass:
>>6342519
I had to invent the hand hanging at his side, and I did reference bridgman's hand chapter, but it's not a direct copy of anything!

Gonna be honest I procrastinated starting this second pass for like three hours. It's definitely daunting, but I'm just going to take it one drawing at a time and grit my teeth through the pain lol. Definitely felt like I lost all my xp after doing the first drawing, but if I compare my last copies to my first ones I'm hoping I see a similar jump in quality by the end.

[Anonymous No.6342689]

>>6342675
Take it slow. I spent 30 min on one drawing when I first did this, 5-10 min staring at it, drawing it in my head, then getting down everything as quickly as possible. The process gets easier, since bridgman uses the same lines for the same body parts, by and large, so you will begin to have a dataset of Bridgman shapes in your arsenal. You could probably just do one drawing per day if 45 min is all you have per day, at least for now.

It gets easier too when you get to the body parts. The full figures are the toughest to memorize

>>6342678
Very good, reminds me of Windsor McKay

[Anonymous No.6343315]

Been a while since i posted anything here , 45 min study

[Anonymous No.6343336]

>>6343315
i love it, good work anon keep it up

[Anonymous No.6343479]

>>6342675
i tried doing a memory drawing again too, and it is really frickin hard. It's much easier to draw it first, then put away the reference, then draw it from memory, but I wouldn't recommend doing that for this. Just looking at it, then recalling it, is also a good exercise. Looking at your drawings again, I think you retained a lot of Bridgman's shape language, you just need to pay attention to the internal relationships in the drawing, getting the construction and proportions right. It's inevitable you won't remember it 1:1, but a 90% hit-rate is pretty good too. Also, there's nothing lost in doing it again, like you were saying.

[Anonymous No.6343996]

>>6343479
Damn that's good!
>>6343315
Love your brushwork anon

Taking it slow. Made corrections notes around the drawing as you can see. Got the gesture mostly right besides non weight bearing leg, which is progress. Better than last night at least! To be clear, I did the figure with the book closed, then opened it up and made drawings from ref of the things I want to remember for next time. Then on some cheap scratch paper I just drew those corrections a bunch. Hope it works!

[Anonymous No.6344004]

>>6343996
Amazing. Keep doing this and you'll be a god-tier artist in a few months.

[Anonymous No.6344723]

>>6343996
These are really good. You’re gonna make so much progress doing this

[Anonymous No.6345302]

>>6344004
>>6344723
Thanks anons, really

Last chill day, tomorrow is the proportion chart. I'm still getting filtered by non weight bearing legs but I'm getting closer. I like the corrections method, it gives me something to draw in a moleskine or on the back of an envelope. Testing yourself throughout the day, like an /ic/ Cato Fong

[Anonymous No.6345835]

>>6345302
rooting for you

[Anonymous No.6346594]

30 min hard round brush. i think i'm getting better at hinting at detail

[Anonymous No.6346788]

>>6345835
Thanks
Taking proportions slowly since they're so foundational

[Anonymous No.6347181]

>>6346594
So much emotion here with the face/colors, I love it

[Anonymous No.6347816]

>>6346788
proportions a little fugged, crotch should be halfway. did you take the picture at an angle? Taht would explain it

[Anonymous No.6347826]

It's been a while since I've done a master study. I forgot how exhausting it can be.

[Anonymous No.6347832]

I'm sorry if I'm begging to be spoonfed but I wanted to know if anyone here had any resources on trying to copy with the goal of understanding appeal. I think the closest thing the that might be kirk's philosophy on drawing from art as if it was a live model but I'm not sure.
maybe this shit seems obvious but I'm genuinely autistic and even if I can make something technically decent from a study I feel like I'm going proko mode when I'm without reference. it's like I don't understand what makes things appealing.

[Anonymous No.6347956]

>>6347816
Yeah, trying to get a scanner soon
>>6347826
Looks great, do you feel like you learned anything?

[Anonymous No.6347971]

>>6346594
Only 30 min? Damn
Any advices of getting better ar painting? Any courses, books?

[Anonymous No.6348065]

I don't really know where to take this question but since I am exclusively working with traditional tools and want to reach a proficiency in realism, I've come to this thread.
I was asked to do a portrait with 3 people, I could just paint them side by side but maybe a a more interesting composition would be better. What would be a good approach here? How do you compose an image with multiple people where the face is going to the most important?

[Anonymous No.6348080]

>>6347956
>trying to get a scanner soon
whatever you do, don't buy a brother printer/scanner.

[Anonymous No.6348260]

>>6347956
To be honest, I didn't learn as much as I would have liked since I was so focused on measurements and stuff (which I think I got better at because of this). The main thing I noticed is the variety in how Frazetta constructs his figures. It was interesting constructing a figure using shapes I would have never thought to use. From this, I can tell my anatomy skills are still not enough since I'm not confident enough to render forms that deviate from what I already know.

[Anonymous No.6348524]

>>6348065
You could paint them side by side, but then you'd have to vary it up in other ways, like giving them different expressions, or looking at each other in wry ways, sly smirks, etc.

That is, if you don't want to make one face more important than the others.

[Anonymous No.6348526]

>>6348260
hey, visual accuracy is the bedrock of drawing. You got better, even if you were just struggling to reproduce it!

[Anonymous No.6348538]

Sorolla mastercopy. Being able to capture each stroke accurately without overdoing it is very hard I realized. Felt like I was over polishing instead of getting the quick feeling. Now I respect sketchier artists who are able to create purposeful strokes a lot more, really hard to master well.

[Anonymous No.6348547]

>>6348538
you don't know how amazing you are

[Anonymous No.6348565]

>>6348547
When you say that you make me blush, anon... Don't feed my ego now......

[Anonymous No.6348567]

>>6348538
Looks really good!
I would've softened some edges on the right shoulderblade. And also soften some edges where light meets shadow like on the but cheek and at that light patch just above the butt, on her side. softening it would make it look a lot rounder.
Also, I'd lessen the contrast in the background just a bit, so the figure pops out a little more.

But still, whether you wanted this input or not, I think you did a lovely job on it.

[Anonymous No.6348597]

>>6348567
I agree, his variation and control of soft and hard edges are very subtle. Another issue I had were the proportions. The photo I took makes the copy lose some hue and vibrancy but the copy is still somewhat off from the original, especially with brighter values and curtains. No worries, thanks for the input, I'm always eager to hear critique to get better.
>>6317915
Amazing, I put them side by side and it looks great. I'm sure the difference between the hues is due to camera quality. Only nitpick would be it looks like Frank Benson uses a bit more dry brushstrokes for added texture? Other than that awesome job, really.

[Anonymous No.6348607]

>>6347971
Craig Mullin's course is the only proper course i've done, and yeah I recommend it a lot. Also, practice doing 15 minute 3 or 4 value studies from photos/artwork, after a few weeks you'll get a lot better, maybe throw colors instead of values eventually.

[Anonymous No.6349194]

>>6348607
Which craig mullins course? Also thanks anon

[Anonymous No.6349330]

Michelangelo proportions fucked me up. Real wake up call. Need to study more and slow down. Big time, this felt like a huge step backwards but instead of being discouraged I'm going to be glad that I have a clear direction for what I need to improve on. Everyone in this thread is doing great. To be clear my attempts are marked with an 'o'. This was the third attempt at the michelangelo one, didnt cheat or peek don't worry, all 3 were drawn without any looking. Very very difficult.

>>6348080
Why not?

[Anonymous No.6349418]

>>6349194
Digital painting by Craig Mullins on schoolism

[Anonymous No.6349797]

>>6349330
Yes, it’s very difficult, and in reality, when you do this exercise, half of it is pulling from your own knowledge and drawing from imagination, and the other half is the short term memory from looking at Bridgmans drawing and putting it away. I’m not saying to not be accurate to Bridgman, but I’m saying to also focus on constructing it properly as you go along as if you were doing it from imagination. For example, when doing proportions, you don’t need to use your short term memory to know the crotch is halfway from the head to toes, and that the ribs are bigger than the hips. these are things you should’ve known. (I don’t mean to be so harsh)

That said, I love your mindset and how hard you’re working. I’m glad your making those corrections after and redoing attempts you weren’t happy with.

[Anonymous No.6350306]

wip. Going to copy the first chapter of Witch Hat Atelier, exactly. (66 pages total lol)

[Anonymous No.6350615]

>>6349797
Wow, what a difference your advice made. In the first attempt I was falling apart trying to memorize the strokes, realized I was drawing like absolute shit, so I sat back and took a breath and tried what you said, just focusing on solid construction and finding the "bridgman" at a later point. WOW. I know it's nowhere near perfect but I hope it speaks for itself, thank you anon. I tried another attempt after this before checking the book but I didn't end up liking it as much, so here the page is after remembering your advice and before I made all my corrections notes. Maybe this weekend I'll do a re assessment of a couple drawings, picking two or three things I really wanted to improve on. Dunno yet. But anyway, thanks again. I hope to keep improving

[Anonymous No.6350617]

A dumb question but can i post my Bargue plate copies here? Bargue copies is also considered a form of master study right...?

[Anonymous No.6350623]

>>6350617
absolutely, post it fren

[Anonymous No.6350909]

>>6350615
Yes! That bottom sketch is really really nice. Keep going!

[Anonymous No.6350923]

>>6350623
Okay thanks!
Here is it, I just started not too long ago. Each took approx 2-3 hours (it's embarrassing to admit it but I did ask an art instructor about timing and they said to take as long as you need)

I did these in 3 layers, first blocking-in by eyeballing, then using plumb lines, and adjusting as I go. I heard this is the correct way to do Bargue.

Most of the time I'm using plumb lines, angled/tilted lines, then look for negative, trapped shape imagine them as creatures or objects or sth, and flipping the canvas randomly when I'm stuck.

I don't use the comparative measurements as much as the aboves, and did not use it at all for my third eye. I think this measurement method is hard and kinda niche somehow...? Should I use it more often?

Thanks. And apologized for the long post.

[Anonymous No.6350983]

>>6350923
Based and gmi. Taking your time to do your best is the surest way to learn to draw

[Anonymous No.6351567]

wip

[Anonymous No.6351699]

>>6350909
Thank you! I will!
>>6350923
These look great anon, really impressive work
>>6351567
Looks good already!

>>6348080
Still wondering why lol

[Anonymous No.6351800]

getting absolutely wrecked over here

[Anonymous No.6351834]

>>6351800
That doesn't look like an easy piece to do.

[Anonymous No.6352354]

>>6350983
>>6351699
thank you. this is my first time posting something on 4chan.
i'll post more of my bargue copies when i have time. i only spent 1hr per day to do these so it might take a long long time... (desu it's kinda boring to do these but gotta pushing through i think)
>>6351699
and is this bridgman? those looks very cool.
>>6351567
i dunno which manga this came from but i dig the art style.

[Anonymous No.6352455]

[Anonymous No.6352579]

Polishing my anatomy skills feels less fun compared to when I was first learning it a year ago. How can I make myself more interested in learning it again?

[Anonymous No.6352582]

>>6352579
keep in mind your long term goals and think about how much better at drawing you'll get from studying anatomy! Money in the bank, my fren

[Anonymous No.6352584]

>>6294147
Request to merge this thread with /asg/

[Anonymous No.6352604]

crit plz

[Anonymous No.6352609]

>>6352584
>Request
Make a case.

[Anonymous No.6352621]

>>6352584
you can study any style in this thread.

[Anonymous No.6352803]

>>6352604
very sexy. Your faces are def your weakpoint though

[Anonymous No.6352883]

>>6352354
Yep, bridgman!

I'm getting happier with these... very slightly, but feel like I've absorbed some stuff.

[Anonymous No.6353001]

setteidreams is currently down, any alternatives?

[Anonymous No.6353419]

>>6353001
copy manga! That's what the animation sheets are based off of. You could draw from anime still-frames too.

>>6352883
much better! You're getting the hang of this

[Anonymous No.6353486]

>>6352883
These are fucking insane Anon. You’ve really progressed

[Anonymous No.6353604]

First study in a long time, tried doing that statue then gave up after a couple hours

[Anonymous No.6354047]

Chipping away at this, slowly but surely. The foliage was the hardest part

>>6352883
>>6353604
>>6352455
>>6352579
>>6352604
>>6351800
great job bros

[Anonymous No.6354071]

>>6353486
>>6353419
>>6354047
Thanks everyone
Light load today, the pelvis remains a mystery to me. I'll definitely buckle down and study it deeper lol.

[Anonymous No.6354096]

>>6297817
top-tier shit, and soulful to boot

[Anonymous No.6354339]

I decided to quit copying manga pages 1:1. It's just not an efficient way to learn. Minute by minute, I learn much more from doing targeted practice like this, the way David Finch teaches it. I guess I should value a comic artists' advice on learning to draw more than the Shonen Jump Editors, who themselves don't draw.

>>6354071
That might be the fest figure you've done so far. Did you do that one from memory?? If I even had a smidgen of critique, I'd say you could afford a few millimeters more space between the ribs and the hips, but other than that, great job.

[Anonymous No.6354343]

[Anonymous No.6354346]

[Anonymous No.6354349]

After I did the previous 3, I did this one from memory. Slightly shittier, but I retained a lot so its a win

[Anonymous No.6354351]

Then I did this one from memory, along with some studies of water effects and a correction on his clothes

[Anonymous No.6354357]

[Anonymous No.6355056]

>>6354339
Thanks! Yeah, the ones from memory are marked with a little 'o' so if that's the one you mean, then yes. And I keep having to remind myself to stop giving my women enormous asses, lol.
>>6354343
>>6354346
>>6354349
>>6354351
>>6354357
These are so good and the ones from imagination are looking GREAT, it definitely seems like the studies are helping a lot

[Anonymous No.6355057]

>>6355056
Forgot my image

[Anonymous No.6355075]

>>6294147
sonech armor study

[Anonymous No.6355741]

>>6355056
you're so kind, thank you.

>>6355057
looks really good! Your memory skeleton looks no worse than your corrections, actually. It's just a different shape, but skeletons are all sorts of shapes anyways.

>>6355075
very nice

[Anonymous No.6356622]

I missed a lot of subtle details in this study, but I think it's still good overall. I'm going to add more values to this later.

[Anonymous No.6356683]

[Anonymous No.6357076]

>>6355741
ive been following your progress for a while now anon and i am very impressed. i have some questions about your study that anyone else in the thread can answer as well if they wish.
do you find that you are learning when copying from the source material even if you dont have a specific goal in mind?
do you find that there is a speed where you move too fast to learn?

i too am interested in copying the art of those i wish to draw similar to, but often times i get caught up wondering if i am doing it right or moving too fast.

[Anonymous No.6357555]

I'm pretty proud of this one even though there's lots wrong, this one was hard. I spent at least half an hour just observing it.

[Anonymous No.6357827]

>>6357076
im flattered, thank you for your kind words. I personally feel like I haven't been pushing myself as hard as I could, but that will have to change really soon. I'm graduating soon, and I don't want to NEET it out with my parents for too long

>do you find that you are learning when copying from the source material even if you dont have a specific goal in mind?
I think it's impossible to do anything without a goal, but your goal can be as simple as "I want to draw my figures like this artist does" You may not have a long term goal in mind, but you need to decide who your favorite artists are and what you're working towards. That will also help you keep consistent and prevent you from flitting around and drawing from one artist one day, then another artist the next day, etc.

If you're asking about my internal monologue when I'm studying, then, I don't. I just draw it and try to be as accurate as possible. This makes it difficult, sometimes, for the studies to translate to your personal work, which is why I do the memorization technique. Draw it from ref, put away the ref, and draw it again from memory. This will condition your hand to make the same shapes when you're making your personal work.

>do you find that there is a speed where you move too fast to learn?
Yes, don't go so fast you can't be accurate. Even if you plan to only take your study to the "basic forms" stage, you should be accurate. No point in being sloppy. Take as long as you need for one drawing

>>6356683
>>6357555
>I spent at least half an hour just observing it.
gmi gmi gmi

>>6356622
amazing

[Anonymous No.6357834]

>>6357076
one more thing, if the memorization thing intimidates you, just do one small part. Just memorize one eye, or one hand, etc.

[Anonymous No.6358789]

bump

[Anonymous No.6359379]

[Anonymous No.6359426]

>>6351800
calling it quits on this. I made a lot of mistakes in the drawing and it's driving me crazy lol
>>6351834
it wasn't
>>6354047
thanks bro

[Anonymous No.6360418]

>>6359426
It looks really good, what do you feel like you learned from it?

[Anonymous No.6360997]

I finally finished the Conan study. I probably could've pushed the values more.

[Anonymous No.6362100]

Back to copying bridgeman. So many forearm muscles

[Anonymous No.6362102]

>>6360997
Anon, this is nice but there are pretty much no darks here. Darks are critical to giving something the appearance of being shaded as they contrast with the light. Next time, make a numbered value scale to bring out the darks and lights accordingly. Can you share the ref?

[Anonymous No.6362255]

>>6362102
I agree the end result was a lot lighter than intended. I think I started out lightly hatching because I was going to stack more values on top and ended up not doing it. I noticed the inaccuracies in my construction too late so I didn't want to spend more time on it.

[Anonymous No.6362618]

[Anonymous No.6362631]

>>6362618
very very impressed with how far you've come since you started memorizing. Looks like you've got a grip on the exercise now

[Anonymous No.6363730]

>>6362631
Thanks, I have good days and bad days. Just gotta keep grinding a day at a time.

[Anonymous No.6364720]

>>6357555
are you the original Bridgman anon? This is your second go, right? What's your process right now? Thanks for all your input, fren, you're an inspiration to us all.

[Anonymous No.6365027]

[Anonymous No.6365052]

>>6365027
neato

[Anonymous No.6365434]

>>6360418
thanks, it was good practice for values and painting folds. love seeing your progress in here btw keep it up
>>6360997
really like your hatching in this. hope to see you back with darker values soon

[Anonymous No.6366357]

友達、何処だ?

>>6365027
>>6365434
>>6360997
>>6362100
nicee

[Anonymous No.6366535]

>>6364720
>are you the original Bridgman anon?
Uhh maybe? Lol. I started doing this in like May of this year I think.
>This is your second go, right?
Yep, the memory run.
>What's your process right now?
Observe, draw, note mistakes, drill mistakes on scratch paper while doodling. Not a whole lot of structure.
>Thanks for all your input, fren, you're an inspiration to us all.
Honestly this thread has helped me so much. Thanks for all the kind words, that goes for everyone ITT. WAGMI as long as we stay on that bridgma male grindset

[Anonymous No.6366807]

After 1 year, why did I fail?

[Anonymous No.6366898]

Do not engage with X month schizo

[Anonymous No.6366932]

Why did I fail?

[Anonymous No.6367476]

wip

>>6366535
do you still stare at the reference for a long time before drawing it from memory? How long do you spend on the memory sketch?

[Anonymous No.6367552]

>>6367476
Looking nIce so far. Gonna color it?

[Anonymous No.6367562]

>>6367552
thank you! it's from a manga, so there's no color.

[Anonymous No.6368200]

>>6367476
Yeah, a session like this might take 45 minutes to an hour, don't really time them.

[Anonymous No.6368951]

>>6368200
Holy fucking shit this one was impossible mode. Oof

[Anonymous No.6368969]

Why did I fail?
Me? I can't draw, I can't paint, I have no talent.
Art? It doesn't pay, it's all fake, worth nothing in the end.
Hard work? Bullshit, wasted 7 months, 8 and 1 year. Nothing.
I did the effort, the hard work, the daily practice, never got better. Only enjoyed 3 days out of the whole ordeal. I would never do it again, the bullet will enter the brain on Dec 31st.

[Anonymous No.6369024]

Ignore 'why did i fail/ X months schizo'

[Anonymous No.6369025]

worked on this a bit more

>>6368951
hmm, watch the proportions, especially the length of the legs compared to the body. They're a bit short there

>>6368200
glad you're taking your time with them

[Anonymous No.6369028]

Every single day at night, on my bed, I cried. There I knew I would never be good at art, never. As I kept crying and crying I would run out of tears, my mind too would cease to work like a human mind, no, replaced by complete peace and silence.
My eyes were open, but I saw nothing. My body was not my body, just another piece of meat, I existed there, as nothing in nowhere. Why fear death? Why fear it if such a peace like I feel in those moments will last forever? My tears had stopped completely, there was no I, no person in the flesh, no reason to cry, I didn't move or if I did I do not remember, I had been nothing.
Slowly I would fall asleep, and the next day I felt rested, like born again, my ego slowly forming back.

[Anonymous No.6369098]

>>6369028
those are so soulful. no need to be upset

[Anonymous No.6369101]

>>6369098
stop responding to schizophrenic you retarded newfag

[Anonymous No.6369104]

>>6369098
Those are not mine, stupid fucking fucker.
He was one of my heroes, who now I hate, who now I eould rape and kill.

[Anonymous No.6369105]

>>6368951
Remember that the legs are half of the body Anon . Great work otherwise

[Anonymous No.6369114]

No one ever helped me, no one.

[Anonymous No.6369122]

This thread just feels like /beg/ 2.0

[Anonymous No.6369123]

>>6369122
How about you post your work instead of being critical? At least we’re actually drawing

[Anonymous No.6369128]

Wasted my life drawing.

[Anonymous No.6369363]

Rate my progress

[Anonymous No.6369474]

>>6369363
31 out of December.

[Anonymous No.6369479]

>X month schizo
ignored

[Anonymous No.6369482]

>>6369363
For the first time in years, I'll be sincere.
If I wanted to turn it all back and improve, could I? Could I become actually good? How?
I was checking Edward Hopper's practice, I just want to be an artist.

[Anonymous No.6369570]

>>6369482
Thread's almost at bump limit anyways, I'll bite.

https://davidfinchart.com/where-to-start-and-where-to-go-from-there-a-roadmap-to-professional-quality-art/

This is the most straightforward guide you'll find. If you do it sincerely it'll be another 2 years, but those years will be wildly productive.

stop writing poems >>6369028 and go draw!

[Anonymous No.6369612]

>>6369570
I've always wondered when people say copy Bridgeman, like copy every single drawing? has anyone actually done this?

[Anonymous No.6369621]

>>6304600
what kind of rock did you use? did you prime it with white oil paint?
i am trying to figure out the most archival way of painting on rock.

[Anonymous No.6369635]

>>6369621
try painting something worth archiving first

[Anonymous No.6369638]

>>6369612
yes and yes

[Anonymous No.6370856]

>>6369612
Yup. If you do a little bit a day you can get it done. Your gains will be immense

[Anonymous No.6371042]

>>6369025
>>6369105
Yeah, thanks, I think the perspectival distortion threw me a little, plus that one's a little janky, the longer you look at the raised leg sort of the less it makes sense.

My visual memory feels so poor that I actually started worrying I had mild aphantasia lol. I hope it gets better with practice.

[Anonymous No.6371065]

New Thread:
>>6371064
>>6371064
>>6371064

>>6371042
You can repost it again in the next thread.

You did much better on this one today! I would focus on making cleaner lines, even in the memory sketch. If need be, use a pencil underneath, that way it gives you room to correct your mistakes and refresh your memory