/mmg/ - Manga Making General

[Anonymous No.6292086]

The general thread for Manga / manga-styled comic-making, manga-style illustration and related comic work.

Support each other and talk about your work or the work of others that excites you. Inking, character design, paneling / layout, writing, planning, and other discussions are all welcome.
Post resources, questions, in-progress pages, breakdowns of other works, etc. If a work is not yours, credit the maker (unless it's fucking obvious like a full page of One Piece or something).
Thanks to everyone for making /mmg/ a level-headed and helpful place. Remember, drawing and making comics and manga are difficult endeavors, and we're all in this struggle together.

Previous thread: >>6264095

Some resources:
/asg/, our stylistic sister-thread series for those focused more on illustration >>>/ic/asg

Books:
Understanding Comics
Making Comics
Manga in Theory and Practice: The Craft of Creating Manga
https://mega.nz/folder/Dd4hnZTC#EjMIcTDPLbWXkAJLPHx2Kg
Story: Substance, Structure, Style and the Principles of Screenwriting
https://archive.org/details/RobertMcKeeStorypdf/
2000AD Script Book
https://mega.nz/file/gtNQgY6L#p7vPA_fLOUwxINMBzAX62w_xx282FVQoMhUHDGtiCpE
Even a Monkey Can Draw Manga
https://kupdf.net/download/even-a-monkey-can-draw-manga_58b9ca16e12e89233badd376_pdf

Videos:
"Manga Senpai/Tokyo Name Tank", "SMAC! THE SILENT MANGA AUDITION COMMUNITY"
Habanero Scans: https://www.dailymotion.com/HabaneroScans/videos
Full MANBEN Series link: https://mega.nz/folder/9h1mUYSJ#8sJoO57nMP_JhjnujBXkpQ
https://www.naokiurasawa.com/
Urasawa Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkIFOAoFm47XOAlJwTa6Ieg/videos

[Anonymous No.6292087]

Some western / indie publishers of Manga:

Saturday AM ( https://www.saturday-am.com/ )
> Digital indie magazine, seems to be on the up-and-up
> Open submissions for long-form series; also distributes series currently being published elsewhere.
> Regularly publishes one-shots, making it a good potential outlet for already-finished work.

Noir Caesar ( https://www.noircaesar.com/ )
> Focuses on black (specifically African-American) content, but seems willing to publish anyone good enough.
> Seemingly series-based only.
> No "magazine" style updates; series are updated on their own schedule.
> Seems less regular than Saturday AM, but also seems larger in terms of readership.

Oni Press ( https://onipress.com/ )
> Technically indie, but at this point large enough by comic standards to be mentioned in the same breath as other publishers.

Antarctic Press ( https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/ )
> Longtime large-indie publisher of OEL / manga-esque books.
> Seemingly taking submissions at present if http://www.antarctic-press.com/html/submissions.php is anything to go on.

Yen Press ( https://yenpress.com/ )
> Started out as a small indie publisher of original / Korean material, and has grown reasonably popular since.
> As of 2016, it is also one of the western arms of the Kadokawa Corporation, with Kadokawa owning a 51% stake.
> Editorial inquiries can apparently be sent to [e-mail], however, they apparently are not open to new submissions at this time.

Viz Media / Viz Originals ( https://www.viz.com/originals )
> *The* western manga publisher.
> Currently in the exploratory stages of setting up an English label.
> Submissions are open and several books have been announced. However, progress on the label seems to be moving very slowly.
> Still might be worth a shot anyway.

Shrine Comics ( https://shrinecomics.com/ )
> Small indie manga publisher
> Seemingly attempting to make the transition to physical volumes
> Allows crossposting to other sites

[Anonymous No.6292088]

Other open comic publishers:

Dark Horse ( https://www.darkhorse.com )
>Dark Horse still welcomes your submissions, and all submissions will still be reviewed, just as they always have been.
>All unsolicited story/series proposals must have a full creative team on board. Writer-only proposals will not be reviewed.

Image comics ( https://imagecomics.com/ )
>Image Comics only publishes creator-owned material. They do not contract creators; they’re only interested in publishing original content for which you would retain all rights.
>Image Comics publishes creator-owned/creator-generated properties and THEY DON’T PAY PAGE RATES. Image takes a small flat fee off the books published, and it will be the responsibility of the creators to determine the division of the remaining pay between their creative team members.

Drawn and quarterly ( https://drawnandquarterly.com/ )
>Please email a low resolution PDF with at least 20 pages of comics and cover letter to submissions. Do not send dropbox links, scripts, or proposals. Please read our submissions FAQ.

Fantagraphics ( https://www.fantagraphics.com/ )
>submission page: https://www.fantagraphics.com/pages/faq

Top Shelf Productions ( https://www.topshelfcomix.com/ )
>Regarding submissions, we're easy. Just email us a download link of what you'd like us to review. NOTE: We cannot accept cover letters, plot synopses, or scripts unless they are accompanied by a minimum of 10-20 completed pages (i.e., fully inked and lettered comic book pages).

Additional publisher lists:
> https://jasonthibault.com/definitive-list-comic-publisher-submission-guidelines/
> https://writingtipsoasis.com/best-independent-comic-book-publishers/

And a new addition, not technically an editor, but a new platform to host your manga:

Manga Plus Creators by Shueisha
https://medibang.com/mpc/

[Anonymous No.6292090]

Current Contests:

Tottori: https://www.pref.tottori.lg.jp/mangacontest/

Magic international manga contest: https://www.shibuya-productions.com/en/magic/magic-international-manga-contest.html,73

Webtoons: Call to Action
webtoons.com
(Is this still open?)

4-koma Contest:
https://kitakyushu-mangataisho.com/en/

How (You) can help /mmg/:

> Know about a contest or a publishing opportunity? TAG THE OP and post a link.
> Have a new resource? TAG THE OP and link / mention it for inclusion.
> Have a link / DL for a mentioned resource? TAG THE OP and mention what you're supplying a link for.
> SCREENSHOT / PASTEBIN effortposts that help you for posterity.

[Anonymous No.6292104]

>>6292086
why did he trace a drawing from city hunter and replace the artists signature with his own and post it on art station?

[Anonymous No.6292114]

[Anonymous No.6292120]

>>6292090
>Magic international manga contest
Interesting. I lurk on this general from time to time cause I like seeing what anons are making and try to give good feedback, but I also have a story in mind, I never once believed I would actually think of drawing it, but now I'm compelled. Is this thing yearly? Is it ok if I send it in my native language or in English? I read most of it, but didn't see anything mentioning it, so I'm unsure

[Anonymous No.6292141]

What non-Japanese artists have inspired your works?

[Anonymous No.6292150]

>>6292104
>>6292086
kek
Just goes to show that 'fundies' are utterly stupid constructoid nonsense
Just copy
Just trace
Just draw

[Anonymous No.6292157]

>>6292141
I started my drawing career wanting to work for disney, so mostly Glen Keane. I'm also fascinated with Claire Wendling and Mike Mignola

[Anonymous No.6292176]

>>6292104
i honestly thought Tsukasa Hojo drew it and "Federico Bianco" was the name of the character. Seems retarded in hindsight.

[Anonymous No.6292318]

>>6292141
Nick dragotta

[Anonymous No.6292341]

How do you manage to begin?

I'm so scared that I will hate my own work (thay it will suck), so I just practice and write stories — never actually combine the two.

[Anonymous No.6292343]

Have you incorporated AI into your workflow? You really should for once you can be ahead of the techretarded and traditionalist real mangaka!

[Anonymous No.6292417]

>>6292088
>not technically an editor
I meant to type "publisher", and now you've gone and copy-pasted it

[Anonymous No.6292419]

>>6292341
The bad news is that you will hate your own work, the good news is that you'll hate your own work whether it's good or not, so there's no excuse not to just suck it up and make stuff anyway.

[Anonymous No.6292455]

>>6292417
I’ll correct it next time, if I make the thread

[Anonymous No.6292457]

>>6292341
holy fuck are you me?

[Anonymous No.6292472]

Help me. I'm going insane trying to get into weighted line art. I can't replicate that "webbed" line effect consistently and I'm starting to think there has to be a trick to it that I'm just too retarded to see. I keep messing up and having to go back and fix it with a layer mask and erasing more than I need to.

[Anonymous No.6292492]

>>6292141
Noel Sickles and Alex Toth. I have an autistic fascination with elegant simplicity and they're masters of that.
I also really love Toth's page layouts. To me they show how important the composition of the whole really is.

[Anonymous No.6292496]

>>6292141
Noel Sickles and Alex Toth. I have an autistic fascination with elegant simplicity and they're masters of that.
I also really love Toth's page layouts. To me they show how important the composition of the whole really is.
Goofed and uploaded the wrong page. Meant to go with this one. The way parts kinda blend one into the other and the full figure oddly make me think of 70's shoujo.
He enjoyed drawing the acting and interactions in romance scripts. Maybe he would've liked Ikeda.

[Anonymous No.6292572]

/beg/ here. I wasn't feeling it last night so I decided to draw a silly character I accidentally made up hung over in a manga page.
I should have read the previous thread first, I got so many simple things wrong! Anyway, I'm just going to place this here. No need to criticize me, I'm just /beg/!
I'll make better shit and post it here later, someday.

[Anonymous No.6292593]

Do you ever feel like your story is too formulaic or too predictable? Any tips how to avoid this?

[Anonymous No.6292607]

>>6292572
How old are you?

>>6292593
All the time, but then I remind myself that it's the execution that can make or break it. An original idea is one in a billion and you can't really wait around for that to strike if you want to get anywhere

[Anonymous No.6292609]

>>6292086
What's a fair price to commission someone for a book cover (5" x 8")? I guess I'd have enough to pay about 30 USD per page in a manga one shot, but not sure what that would translate to if I just got a book cover instead.

[Anonymous No.6292616]

>>6292609
All depends on the quality you want. Artists create at a much larger size than your printed size, it's just shrunk down for printing.

[Anonymous No.6292618]

>>6292607
I'm old. I'm just not an artist, really. This is a hobby. I can draw better, just not right now. Why do you ask?
This is one of my better drawings:

[Anonymous No.6292619]

>>6292616
I mainly like a medium to large amount of shading (or hatching) with black and white. Linework can be heavy but I don't mind. I don't want colour or too much detail.

[Anonymous No.6292626]

>>6292141

[Anonymous No.6292645]

>>6292593
Read stories that are abstract/creative/open ended
That usually help me think out the box
Tho being unpredictable is not equal to being good
There are examples of plot twists ruining the whole story for the sake of unpredictability

[Anonymous No.6292713]

>>6292086
Give me some manga dithering textures pls

[Anonymous No.6292728]

>>6292088
Dumb question: do Dark Horse and Image Comics take stuff only drawn digitally by a single creator who does the art and writing?

[Anonymous No.6293177]

Hey guys, how do I color manga like picrel?

Any tutorials for that specific rendering?

I know knowing about rendering, and I wanna color my hentai webmanga.

Have a nice day anons.

[Anonymous No.6293180]

>>6292090
>Webtoons: Call to Action
>webtoons.com
>(Is this still open?)

Nope, this isn't open anymore, they're in the "select the winners" phase right now, and the readers can read the contest entries.

[Anonymous No.6293200]

>>6293177
What is it with people and their obsessions with tutorials?

Anyway. The best way to learn to render like X artist is to study X artist's art. Use a soft brush, think about what the artist is doing, and try to replicate it

[Anonymous No.6293212]

>>6293200
based desu

[Anonymous No.6293229]

>>6292141
Gendy Tartakovsky
Mike Mignolia
Ian McCaig
Mike Mignolia
Frank Miller
Todd McFarlane
Jung Man Cho
Alvin Lee
Ralph McQuarrie
Drew Struzan
Greg Capullo
Matt Groening (or whosoever did the final designs of the Simpsons)
Kwan Hyun Kim
Ral Negas

I don't know; I like Star Wars, Marvel, DC, MTG, D&D, The Simpsons, some internet people and a handful of Korean Manhwa (the physical black and white "Manga style" books, Webtoon not so much) I'd argue those were much bigger influences on me than actual Japanese Manga/Anime (though I like a lot of the normie-tier stuff there too)

[Anonymous No.6293275]

>>6292728
You can have a team, but it must be a full team. They will not find an artist for you, or a colorist or letterer.

[Anonymous No.6293341]

>>6293275
So someone can’t do it all themselves? I suppose the work load is too much for one person.

[Anonymous No.6293714]

>>6292120
to my understanding it's yearly and they accept english and french entries if I'm not wrong

[Anonymous No.6293728]

>>6292086
>op starts with stolen art
Good one

Anyway why do you fags act like you need a publisher? It's 2022 of our Lord post your shit on social media if it's good it will take off

[Anonymous No.6293740]

>>6293341
You can do it alone for sure. But yes, most people cannot handle the workload on a monthly schedule.

[Anonymous No.6293741]

>>6293728
>if it's good it will take off
Wrong. Good shit gets completely ignored more often than not. Don't underestimate the power of marketing and promotion, established publishers can push your work much farther than you can alone.

[Anonymous No.6293803]

1. Does anyone have any advice on drawing good (enough) looking BGs fast?
I don't mind using 3D assets to speed up the process
1b. For 3D stuff, what programs are you using? And where are you getting assets?

2. Anyone got insights on how Azuma Kyoutarou works? I checked out his Twitter and I think he does his manga digital? idk for sure.
He's definitely a cut above most other monthly-manga artists

[Anonymous No.6293818]

>>6292090
Tottori ended on the 31st of August btw

[Anonymous No.6293849]

>>6293803
>1. Does anyone have any advice on drawing good (enough) looking BGs fast?
Depends heavily on what you consider to be "good enough", but it really boils down to having a basic understanding of perspective (can be learnt from any one of the thousands of 5minute basics of persective videos out there) and an understanding of the "anatomy" of the location you're trying to portray (that is to say, know what it is you're actually drawing, specifically). The rest is just drawing it. If your feel like a "good enough" background must look clean, then draw it clean. If you don't mind it looking messy, then draw it messy. If you feel it has to be photoreal, then grab yourself a photo and get settled in to spend hours just on that one background. Ultimately, it all boils down to drawing a lot of backgrounds.
>2. Anyone got insights on how Azuma Kyoutarou works? I checked out his Twitter and I think he does his manga digital? idk for sure.
That looks digital to me. The bits in my pic look like he just used the same brush but bigger, which results in the texture/randomization blowing up as well which creates that super jagged look that you don't get with actual ink. My (digital) line work is quite similar, albeit nowhere near that good. He just has very good line control (see: the quick sharp straights used to hatch the top of her breasts) and a very strong understanding of value. He probably does his line work quick and dirty, but it works because he's very skilled.

[Anonymous No.6293854]

>>6293818
ty

[Anonymous No.6294034]

>>6293849
What brush is that
I like that scattering

[Anonymous No.6294043]

>>6294034
I don't know what brush it is specifically but it looks like he's got the "random" setting on clip studio cranked way up + whatever brush shape it is. Here's the default Real G-pen with the "random" at max, looks pretty close.

[Anonymous No.6294049]

>>6294043
Not that squiggly line on the right. Forgot to crop that out.

[Anonymous No.6294315]

>>6292150
not too bad of an advice. considering at least 70% of all anime and Japanese related art is recycled.

[Anonymous No.6294409]

>>6293803
>drawing good (enough) looking BGs fast?
Learn about atmospheric perspective (not that complicated) and how to simplify values. Like in this Franklin Booth piece, the background is made up of like 3 maybe 4 values, you could crank out something similar pretty quick using screen tones etc. This can still work for closer, non-landscape backgrounds if you stylize and simplify. You can also get away with a single contrasting tone or simply not having a background for like 90% of panels. It's important to keep thinking "is this even necessary? Does this help or add anything to the story?" Editing isn't just for writing.

[Anonymous No.6294546]

>>6293803
>I don't mind using 3D assets to speed up the process
It doesn't, it try it and it took me more time set up the 3d models that drawing the poses by my own, that anon months ago was right i should have more faith on my proportions, that was i wanted to use the 3d models, but i doubt that i use them that much


By the way, does anybody has good over narration examples for manga pages, i got stuck and i don't know from where to begin, i mean i now what i'm going to write, but what goes into those panels to make it have sense it what i need

[Anonymous No.6295076]

>>6294409
I'm talking about stuff that's a lot more basic than a shot of a cityscape or vista, like I mean backgrounds in interior scenes just so the characters don't look like they're talking in white-space for 90% of a scene

>>6294546
>it took me more time set up the 3d models that drawing the poses by my own
It makes more sense if the characters are going to spend many scenes at a specific place, like say a character's house or a clubroom.

My sister draws a webcomic (art, lines, colors, writing) and she's pretty gung-ho about using 3D to speed up her next project

[Anonymous No.6295088]

Sort of need some feedback on this, style.

[Anonymous No.6295092]

How can we tell if our character is a Mary Sue?

[Anonymous No.6295103]

>>6295092
That's something you worry about as a child on DeviantArt, not as an adult writer.
A character being "too" important or special isn't a problem, pointless self-insert wanking and lack of conflict is.
Characters like James Bond and Conan are cartoonish levels of gigachad but nobody would complain about that. Their stories still have stakes and a possibility of failure, things can actually go to shit for them.
Special snowflake protagonists leading boring stories where no real problems ever happen are a problem, sure, specially today with webnovels, but you shouldn't think of it in Mary Sue terms specifically, since it comes with a lot of online amateur writer baggage and I wouldn't take writing advice from the kind of TV Tropes-browsing Nostalgic Critic-loving window lickers that obsess over that kind of surface level understanding. Just read more, learn about what makes a good story, and you'll never have to worry about it.

[Anonymous No.6295109]

>>6295103
Thanks. Great info, here.

[Anonymous No.6295127]

Is clip studio paint a good place to start for a begtard new to digital?

[Anonymous No.6295141]

>>6295127
It's definitely a good idea to start with the software you actually mean to use throughout your work.
There's no training wheels drawing software, and no software that's so complicated it would actively get in your way as a beginner. The amount of options and tools might seem daunting, but don't feel like you should immediately know every function. Learn as you go. It might seem counter-intuitive and like a lot of work, but it's what will let you actually draw without getting paralyzed by choice.

[Anonymous No.6295144]

>>6295127
yes. just yes.

[Anonymous No.6295175]

>>6295088
nigga you're obviously are a filthy /beg/
You don't have a style, since your "style" is just an expression of you being unable to draw properly

[Anonymous No.6295176]

>>6295175
begs aren't filthy, they're pure virgins

[Anonymous No.6295281]

What do you post on your instagram / twitter as a comic artist? Short comics? Illustrations? An on-going story? samples from your main work? work in progresses?

(wouldn't creating separate comics for your social media be too much work?)

[Anonymous No.6295378]

>>6295175
Damn, i hate not knowing that my drawings are shit. at least I was able to pretend it looked good.

[Anonymous No.6295449]

>>6295378
"Style" is a stumbling block for more aspiring artists than not. You get obsessed with having a style before you learn good fundamentals, and then you stagnate on that style, because style is just your unique exaggerations and shorthand. But you can't exaggerate what you can't properly draw, you're only guessing, so you can't make any improvement beyond that. I find that it's difficult for people to "unlearn" bad habits and a bad eye.

Even exaggerated and stylized, all highly regarded comic/manga artists have solid fundamentals that they branched out from. Nobody started with a "style" who ever went anywhere with it. You see Araki started with a stolen "style", but only got better and developed his own as his fundamental anatomy and perspective improved. That style he started with was a dead end and didn't actually help him because he didn't get to it through the same path of learning as Hara did, he just copied the end result. His improvement came from studying Roman and Greek statues.

[Anonymous No.6295476]

Is this too restricting? Template taken from DeviantArt, apparently based on Deleter paper measurements. Can I really not start/end panels in the trim zone?

Apologies in advance; I know there was a discussion on templates, bleeds and trims in the previous thread already. I'm just bad with layouts in general

[Anonymous No.6295477]

>>6295476
Only use this if you plan on physically printing. If you're only going to post on websites, then it doesn't matter.

[Anonymous No.6295496]

>>6295378
It just means you have to keep grinding, it takes a lot of time to get a style, it basically means that you mastered your fundies but on the other hand there is nothing that will prevent you from eventual reaching your goal as long as you keep going

[Anonymous No.6295510]

Anybody ever submit short stories to anthologies before? What was the experience like? How much did you get paid?

[Anonymous No.6295538]

>>6295477
Yeah, no plans to print at the moment but I figure it's nice to get used to the idea. Anyway, since there's multiple templates around I figure there's no real reason to stick with Deleter templates. I guess they do need big trim zones in the middle for thick tankoubons?

[Anonymous No.6295699]

>>6292086
I have a manga making server, for anyone interested

https://discord.com/invite/yV5rKC7tx5

[Anonymous No.6295701]

>>6295699
unironically jump

[Anonymous No.6295763]

>>6295378
It's not shit (compared to shitty New Yorker comics, for example) is just not good. Your pic would fly in many liberal and corporate publications.

[Anonymous No.6295771]

>>6295763
beginner art is literally nothing, it doesn't matter if you're a lib or not. You can't convey anything with it. Nobody is gonna pay for that shit

[Anonymous No.6295820]

>>6295763
No it wouldn't
Outsider art can have an appeal all its own, but this isn't it.

[Anonymous No.6295843]

>>6295510

The experience can vary a lot (stick to experienced publishers/groups if you can), but if you can get in to one they can be fun. There's a sense of comradery that's hard to find elsewhere.

Pay also varies, but a good one will give you anywhere from 50-75 usd per page and will do bonuses based on preorder/crowdfund sales. Not the best rates, but anthologies are really just a way to get experience working and have published titles under your belt.

[Anonymous No.6295871]

what do these lines mean

[Anonymous No.6295874]

>>6295871
see
>>6295476
>>6295477

[Anonymous No.6295935]

>>6295763
>>6295175
>>6295449
>>6295496

def appreciate the feed back guys, I think i'm going to go back and draw pictures again, to get familiarized with poses.

[Anonymous No.6295956]

>>6295935
keep it up anon, we all where there. It just takes time for your skill to develop

[Anonymous No.6296056]

>>6294546
すみません、でも。。。誰もこれに答えることができません?

[Anonymous No.6296063]

>>6296056
もっと漫画読みなさい

[Anonymous No.6296143]

>>6296063
あ。。。祖か。。。

著と待ってください、俺はそんなこと知ってる、でも どれのこと俺読むべきか

[Anonymous No.6296168]

>>6295820
>>6295771
t.poorfags who never read New Yorker comics

[Anonymous No.6296175]

>>6296143
何でもいい

[Anonymous No.6296201]

>>6296175
>何でもいい
「何でもいい」 はうまくいかない!

[Anonymous No.6296202]

>>6296175
>何でもいい
「何でもいい」 はうまくいかない!

[Anonymous No.6296701]

>>6295763
r u retarded kid? how did u even find this thread?

[Anonymous No.6296795]

>>6292618
Keep drawing. This is still better than 99.9 percent of ic, dont let jealous fuckers bring you down

[Anonymous No.6296818]

>>6296795
Don't be disingenuous to the man, please. Your participation trophies help no one.

[Anonymous No.6296875]

>>6296795
>dont let jealous fuckers bring you down

>one person responded only asking the poster's age
>ALL THESE JEALOUS HATERS LMAO

[Anonymous No.6296876]

>>6296818
Actually there's something called honesty and I was being honest. Also post your work or shut the fuck up

[Anonymous No.6296879]

>>6296875

Ok loser

[Anonymous No.6296884]

>>6296876
>I was being honest
>>6296795
>This is still better than 99.9 percent of ic
Except every single posted art in this very thread is better by a mile, and you know that. Telling him he's in the top .1% of artists here when he's clearly not is detrimental to someone's development. Nobody insulted the guy, you just made up a persecution complex for him vicariously.

Post YOUR work, maybe if yours is worse than his it will help your little feelgood crusade for an anonymous stranger on the internet.

[Anonymous No.6296891]

>>6296884
Wow now I am being a crusader... the man clearly have a sense of basic proportions just not polished... yet

There's something called humility too, you know...

I am in my job now, unless you want me to draw on my cellphone using my fingers...

All these messages and no one giving advice to the fellow poster... nice job ic, speaks nicely about you

[Anonymous No.6296895]

>>6296884
Drawn in 20 sec. Using my fingers in my fucking cellphone. Are you happy now? Feel free to humiliate me, bully

[Anonymous No.6296904]

>>6296891
>All these messages and no one giving advice to the fellow poster.
Including you.

You said the guy is better than 99.9% of /ic/, and not to listen to any (so far non-existent) criticism because they're just jealous. That's your helpful advice. That's supposed to help him improve.

Tell me, does that 99.9% include you? Is this better than your art? >>6292618 >>6292572, do these doodles blow your attempts right out of the water?

Or are you supposed to be THE .001%, THE best artist on /ic/? Come on pal, everyone who draws has a picture saved to their phone or can snag one off their social media. Let's see if you are worse than him, or if you're the top #1 dog of /ic/.

Because if you're anything other than one of those two, you were in fact, quite disingenuous with your fake praise, and not being honest at all.

[Anonymous No.6296908]

>>6296895
Thank you. This 20 second phone drawing is still more competent than the guy whose ass you were blowing smoke up. So do you see how you were being dishonest? And can you understand how immediately rushing to be the champion of some /beg/ is not useful or helpful to them at all? This is Artwork/Critique, not Artwork/Hugbox.

Stop inventing mean old
>>6296895
>bully
boogeymen in your head to defend others from. These threads have become insufferable because you can't even address a /beg/ anymore, not even criticizing their work apparently, without someone immediately trying to suck their dick.

[Anonymous No.6296929]

>>6296904
Actually I am not a self proclaimed "artist" like many pretentious people here.

I could red line it, if he wants me to, however I am at work, so is uncomfortable to do it from the cellphone.

Clearly better as they had more time than me and therefore presented a finished piece, unlike my 20 sec fingerdrawing. Isn't it obvious?

There's a difference between using and not using reference sometimes the difference is huge even in the same artist.

Now I dont have saved pictures for the humanity to see as I said I am a hobbist not a grandiose self proclaimed artist.

Humility please?

P.S. post your work

[Anonymous No.6296963]

>>6296908
Still more expressive and with more soul !!!than most of ic, if technicality is the most important aspect of art to you, then there will thousands of AI whose digital cock you will suck in the very near future.

Where's the soul? Humanity people?

[Anonymous No.6297112]

[Anonymous No.6297114]

>>6297112

[Anonymous No.6297163]

>>6295076
You really don't need so many backgrounds unless you are introducing a location. Plenty of mangas have characters with little to no background in most of the panels.

[Anonymous No.6297174]

>>6296818
>>6296875
>>6296884
>>6296908
Hi. If we're taking about objective skill at image reproduction, that ship has sailed with the invention of the camera
Now if we're talking about getting humans to feel something, then clearly the fact that I've sparked a controversy days after posting puts me in the effective category.

I think the guy was asking my age because I used two exclamation points making me sound immature. That's fair.
As for .01%, chalk that up to hyperbole.

I'd be less concerned with my personal feelings and more about why someone giving me a compliment triggers you to the point of argument with strangers.
>>6296701
Do you even know about New Yorker comics? I've been looking at them since the 1980's. Many of them are drawn at what you might call a "prebeg" level.
In the spirit of what I posted above, please understand quality and effectiveness of image creation are occasionally mutually exclusive.

Having said that, manga and comics usually hold a higher standard.

>>6296895
This is about New Yorker comics tier art. Good on you if you did it in 20 seconds. Maybe you can leverage that skill to compensate for your lack of personality.

[Anonymous No.6297179]

>>6295699
Shit server

[Anonymous No.6297256]

>>6297174
truly are an exceptionally retarded person...keep sniffing your own farts ya clueless zilch.

[Anonymous No.6297266]

How many panels per page do you weebs do?

[Anonymous No.6297285]

>>6297112
>>6297114
interesting. maybe could of fit a few more details in, the frames seemsto move quickly, but then again, this is just my un professional feedback.

[Anonymous No.6297377]

>>6297256
I accept your concession.

[Anonymous No.6297527]

Is cringe if i name my character in Japanese? Watching my sketch book i remebered a old one shot that i wanted to make, but i was waiting that shueisha did a contest, and now they have, and i had a lot of characters drawed with their names in kanji and with meanings and that stuff

[Anonymous No.6297530]

>>6297527
Yes, but japanese is cringe and japan is cringe so it's totally fine

[Anonymous No.6297623]

>>6296795

[Anonymous No.6297639]

>>6297527
It's not cringe.

[Anonymous No.6297944]

how bad of an idea is it to make a coloured comic/manga? does it really make your workload much more? also for some reason having it be grayscale is kinda scary to me because everything has to be perfect or else it looks like scribbles

[Anonymous No.6297947]

What's your plan for your careers, anons? Is this just a hobby for you, or do you have a plan for making a sustainable living with comics?

[Anonymous No.6297968]

>>6297944
>how bad of an idea is it to make a coloured comic/manga
Bad idea, it's hard enough to finish things on time. But if you're not worried about pushing work out frequently then go nuts.
>does it really make your workload much more?
Yes, to a degree. Some bits can take less time with color, but it gives you more to do before a page is finished most of the time. Plus it adds one more hurdle for you to stumble at, namely color choice.
>everything has to be perfect or else it looks like scribbles
It shouldn't have to look perfect and if your stuff either looks perfect or like scribbles with no inbetween then something is going wrong somewhere.

>>6297947
Save money with my current comic job while storyboarding my personal project in my downtime. Once the job is either completed, fizzles out or I quit I'll switch to my own thing full time. At this point I have almost everything I need to make a living with comics, I just need savings and to actually make the comics. Right now I work during the day and work on my storyboard during the night, so ideally after a few months of this I'll have a nicely refined storyboard to work from whenever I have the opportunity, or to even take to a publisher if that seems like a good idea at the time.

[Anonymous No.6297988]

hey on clip studio paint when i draw a curved line it has angles like it's not smooth. in photoshop i can draw perfectly without even stabilization though. how to fix this issue please?

[Anonymous No.6298010]

>>6297988
Angles like what? Can you post a picture?

[Anonymous No.6298011]

>>6297947
2k sales for fiull blown graphic novel is considered bestseller where I live.Domestic artist can expect tom make between 10-15% of each sold unit and they go for about 8-15 USD.

[Anonymous No.6298012]

>>6298010
like it's a bit of a polygon. i noticed that the bigger the brush the less it shows but ofc i can't draw with brushes that big. and sorry can't post pics my ip is banned from posting pics for some reason.

[Anonymous No.6298020]

>>6298010
>>6298012
here i found this on a reddit thread
https://imgur.com/fhpqUjt
mine isn't that bad but it's the same problem

[Anonymous No.6298022]

>>6298020
oh nvm fixed it lol

[Anonymous No.6298078]

i have a script in mind but when i try to draw it i freeze and don't know where to begin. does that mean i need a tighter more specific script? do i need to visualize the scene in my mind more? i just don't know how to choose which panel arrangement and what to do exactly. maybe there is a book to show me what to do?

[Anonymous No.6298203]

>>6298078
It means you need to spand some time doing storyboards.

[Anonymous No.6298210]

>>6298203
storyboard for a comic? all the mangakas on manben start with just sketches. how do you even do storyboards for a comic?

[Anonymous No.6298290]

>>6298210
These "scetches" are called storyboards.

[Anonymous No.6298317]

>>6298290
well that's what i can't do, retard.

[Anonymous No.6298358]

>>6298078
Study from storyboard artists and practice. The Famous Artists Course has a particularly good chapter on the subject, but in the end, it's something you learn by doing rather than by reading. Certainly, you won't get anywhere by waiting for a eureka moment on an empty page.

[Anonymous No.6298462]

>>6298078

It sounds like you need a more specific script or just more experience. Try looking at manga you like now and breaking your favorite pages down into storyboards as an exercise or use someone else's written script as a jumping off point.

[Anonymous No.6298622]

>>6298078
This is the hardest part when you're starting because there is absolutely nothing that can be done to help you. You just have to brute force it. Studying more won't help you transfer YOUR idea to a storyboard, it just makes you better at drawing storyboards in general, and to my knowledge there ARE no books that show you what to do because the answer changes depending on specifically what you're trying to storyboard.
While I'm sure anons mean well when they tell you to study more, and maybe that's worked for them idk, but nothing will help you storyboard YOUR scenes specifically. This is why storyboards are always rough and loose. They're drawn very quickly so they can just throw it down on the pages and if they don't like the result they can just redo it without losing too much time.

>>6298210
All the mangaka on manben are working from their storyboards (referred to as "name" or ネーム in japanese), typically either a very light very loose pencil drawing or the same but on a separate, often smaller, piece of paper.
>how do you even do storyboards for a comic?
Get an idea for what happens on the page and then draw it. It's really that simple.

[Anonymous No.6299150]

I tried making my protagonist in koikatsu and it just looks so much better and accurate to my vision of him I had in my head than anything I could draw. Boy do I hate being a /beg/.

[Anonymous No.6299288]

>>6298358
>>6298462
thanks anons i appreciate it
>>6298622
this is very helpful specially the idea that storyboards are supposed to be fast and disposable. thank you so much.
i have a question though. am i supposed to make storyboards in normal frames like they're done for a movie and then decide the paneling later? or should it be done at the same time?

[Anonymous No.6299294]

>>6299288
Decide the paneling when you're storyboarding. The point of storyboarding in movies is to determine the types of shots you'll need, same for comics.

[Anonymous No.6299345]

I want to make a story about an ambitious loser. Most people don't try to achieve their dreams, but without anything to lose this guy decides to make an attempt. After increasingly high stakes and rubbing shoulders with death, he achieves his dream but then what? He's more accomplished than most people. But to continue would mean burning out in a blaze of glory, and retiring would mean returning to an empty life. Maybe he has to find a gf. I'm starting to think the journey matters more than the destination.

[Anonymous No.6299355]

>>6299345
So, Rocky?

[Anonymous No.6299358]

>>6299355
Haven't seen it, I'm speaking in an anime context because you could keep increasing the stakes forever because its obviously not confined by reality which begs the question when/why should you stop?

[Anonymous No.6299385]

>>6299358
Look what happened to Dragonball. You should stop when you run out of actual ideas and start rehashing the same bullshit over and over.

[Anonymous No.6299387]

>>6299385
What is your favorite ending to an action manga?

[Anonymous No.6299664]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X8u0XZMMMA

...how come her work gets published? It’s rather unremarkable, self indulgent and boring. Does the LGBTQ+ shit really sell that well?

[Anonymous No.6299750]

>>6299664

She fills a niche, regardless of how stupid it seems.

[Anonymous No.6299826]

>>6299664
Popularity in the modern age is not a meritocracy, it's drawing names out of a hat. A million things that have all the things needed to be famous aren't, and some things that have nearly none of them are.

[Anonymous No.6299846]

i was thinking of making a graphic novel
what is the overlap between the skills required to make a a manga and to make a graphic novel?

[Anonymous No.6299941]

>>6299664
her story telling is pretty good, she delivers and has been putting work out for quite some time.
Would be weird if she wasn't getting published.

[Anonymous No.6299944]

>>6299846
Manga has to be published in japan, so you have to know written japanese to at least N2 level.

[Anonymous No.6300096]

I never thought I'd ask for advice on onomatopieas. I've always been hesitant to use them - they do look a bit childish - but there's probably legitimate artistic merit in them.
I might have to go out and buy some raw materials just to bang them together and see what sound they make.