/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.6278437]

Why do you continue to draw and paint? I started drawing because I wanted to express the world that I created in my mind. As I grew older, I became less fascinated with pretty pictures and more interested in the stories and characters in the world. Then, it seemed to me that writing was a far more comprehensive form of art. Stories are what TV shows and movies revolve around and are far more impactful and memorable to society than images. What is the most memorable piece of painting? A painting of a weird looking woman from the year 1503 with a palette that is suspiciously indistinguishable from poop, and whose significance arose not from the art itself. Why, for over 500 years, has no other painting ever come close to a reputation as ubiquitous as that one?

In writing, you can build fantastic worlds, create memorable characters, and express abstract philosophies, whereas a painting will only show you a microscopic snapshot of the full potential of your ideas, most of which is impossible to convey with images. Through writing, you can turn a successfully crafted IP into billions of dollars. With paintings, if you're lucky, you get to find a drug-lord who will use your "art" to launder their money, or get hired by a studio who tells you to draw stuff from the world that a writer has created.

So, why do you continue to draw and paint?

[Anonymous No.6278442]

>>6278437
i stopped, ai is here and it's basically over for artists

[Anonymous No.6278445]

GPT4 and beyond will rape writers. All forms of art will be completely dominated by machines a decade from now

[Anonymous No.6278449]

>>6278445
>if i say it enough it will come true

[Anonymous No.6278452]

>>6278437
It's fun!

[Anonymous No.6278465]

>>6278445
Writings and stories evolve based on cliches derived from human interactions. By the time AI can predict cliches and evolve language independent of human input, I think we will be living in a society where every aspect of life is governed by an AI dictatorship.

Similarly, AI is far from being able to develop code independent of a programmer since technology is constantly changing. The old datasets used to train the AI will be out-dated, among many other factors.

But until then, we still need to make a living.

[Anonymous No.6278481]

>>6278437
Because I have no idea how to write and my English... Is it possible to learn it? are there any fundamentals on how to write? is it hard?

[Anonymous No.6278495]

>>6278452
agreed

[Anonymous No.6278502]

>>6278452
>>6278495
Heroin is also fun.

[Anonymous No.6278513]

>>6278502
Are you sure? How do you know? Are you a heroin addict?

[Anonymous No.6278608]

>>6278502
A better example would be an amusement park ride. Heroin is not the least bit fun.

[Anonymous No.6278621]

>>6278513
It's fun enough that people are willing to die or become homeless just for another hit.

But that is not the question that the statement "heroin is also fun" insinuates. Instead, it asks whether "fun" is your only motivation in life.

[Anonymous No.6278645]

>>6278621
That doesn't sound fun anon.
Why would fun be my only motivation in life? It's my motivation for art, can't you read?

[Anonymous No.6278675]

>>6278437
There are some reasons, >>6278452 included, but I think one of the most important for me is that I want to come to the end of my life, and suffer the regret of walking away from an activity I loved because I was set back.
I have many reasons to stop it, to put it aside, to go and peruse some other thing, but I feel that if I do so, my conscious will condemn my cowardice, and I will be stuck with the inescapable thought of "if only...".

[Anonymous No.6278682]

>>6278645
>That doesn't sound fun anon.
I never asked whether you thought heroin is fun. Now that you brought it up, have you tried heroin? Just curious.

>Why would fun be my only motivation in life? It's my motivation for art, can't you read?
Okay, got it. Art to you is just for fun. Do you think it will ever become not fun?

[Anonymous No.6278685]

>>6278437 (OP)
There are some reasons, >>6278452 included, but I think one of the most important for me is that I don't want to come to the end of my life, and suffer the regret of walking away from an activity I loved because I thought it wasn't serious enough, or efficient enough.
I have many reasons to stop drawing, to put it aside, to go and peruse some other things, but I feel that if I do so, my conscious will condemn my cowardice, and I will be stuck with the inescapable thought of "if only I had tried..."

[Anonymous No.6278720]

>>6278682
Nope!

[Anonymous No.6278746]

no joke, I continue because I want to get good enough to paint my cat staged as a fancy victorian cat with some fruit and a ruffly ass collar, and then hang it up in my house in a fancy gold frame

[Anonymous No.6278764]

>>6278746
how close do you think you are to that goal?

[Anonymous No.6278781]

>>6278452
indeed

[Anonymous No.6278784]

>>6278746
Inconceivably based.

[Anonymous No.6278785]

>>6278685
I am have the similar thought process as you. I spent many hours honing my drawing and painting skills to the point where I am pretty good at it now. At the same time, I continued to develop the characters, stories, and the world in my head, and I feel like they deserve a life of their own. I would definitely regret it if I brought them with me to my grave. So, I took up writing as well because of a burning desire for my worlds, characters, and stories, to live on their own beyond my own mind and beyond static images.

[Anonymous No.6278927]

because I like doing it

[Anonymous No.6278980]

If I'm not drawing, I'm not living. The feeling of going a day without creating something is so painful.

[Anonymous No.6279026]

>>6278437
>As I grew older, I became less fascinated with pretty pictures
Sounds like a "you" problem. Why can't I make interesting stories with my pretty pictures?

>With paintings, if you're lucky, you get to find a drug-lord...
And with poetry no one gives a shit. There's more to writing than poetry and there's more to drawing and art than "high-art".

[Anonymous No.6279142]

>>6278437
No one will ever give a shit about writers.

[Anonymous No.6279173]

>>6278442
You've never drawn in your life

[Anonymous No.6279288]

>>6278465
>time AI can predict cliches and evolve language independent of human input
machine can't go out of the frames they are put in, cope

[Anonymous No.6279375]

>>6278437
>Why do you continue to draw and paint?
To spite you.

[Anonymous No.6279740]

so i could impress cute girls
i am, however, at least a few years away from that. so i will keep going

[Anonymous No.6279864]

>>6278785
Where you and I differ is about writing and its relationship with imagery. I do not think one trumps or precludes the other, but that they can be woven together to create a stronger impression, covering the weaknesses of each other. They're both mediums of communication to me, and achieve their message in distinct ways that the other may have problems with.
This is something I'm still digesting and making sense of though.

[Anonymous No.6280005]

>>6278437
I'm not actually that passionate about drawing its just that my interest in other things is even less.

[Anonymous No.6280129]

>>6278437
Nigga it's about your mental health. By the time you are alone and 65 newly retired, your mind needs something to do. Majority of elderly people never make it past 70 because they sit on their ass to watch TV. Drawing and painting has been proven a deterrent to memory loss, alzheimer's and dementia. Why the fuck you think Vilppu is still alive and kicking? Because he fucking teaches you lazy zoomers to do something about it but you are not doing it despite him not caring his courses get pirated. You rather doom and gloom to AI when it is all nothing but nothingburger. If you want to live pas 100 years you better start drawing and painting NOW before it's too late.

[Anonymous No.6280576]

>>6280129
Cope your kind is over you will die never being special kys

[Anonymous No.6280663]

>>6280576
>esl

[Anonymous No.6280671]

There's no point continuing because AI already does it better.

[Anonymous No.6280678]

>>6280663
Cope it's ok kys ai will rule

[Anonymous No.6280736]

>>6280671
A coward who could not bear the weight of his own failures believes this.

[Anonymous No.6280763]

>>6280736
Sure, go be a modern Don Quixote

[Anonymous No.6280776]

>>6278442
Finally found an excuse to remain a crab, I see. If you were just a decent artists (not even professional level), this ai stuff will be no concern to you.

[Anonymous No.6280814]

>>6278452
How to have fun when nothing works. When I draw something, it becomes sad from a bad result. And when I'm studying, it's not fun either, because studying is hard work.
I never enjoyed the process, only the result sometimes. Maybe that's why I often prefer games than drawing. How to fix it?

[Anonymous No.6280830]

>>6280129
based, here's some wholesome posting from vonnegut in a similar vien. Humans are meant to create, its just as important as following a regular exercise routine.

[Anonymous No.6280843]

>>6278437
Why even pick up an hobby or activity if you don't like it? Why do people bother learning how to play an instrument if they will never be the next Mozart? Nothing I make will ever make an impact or be important after my death, material fame doesn't matter once I'm in the grave so I simply draw because it is fun and fulfilling. All these AIfags never drew to begin with because someone who actually enjoys drawing wouldn't give up because of AI. If that was the case everyone should've given up time ago because only 1% will ever achieve something of true value and mastery to be remembered in history, yet people who truly love art continue anyway because it is meaningful to them.

[Anonymous No.6280884]

>>6278437
Writing is certainly fun as well, but sometimes I just find it easier to sort out my thoughts when I also draw.
I'd like to create stories I can share with other people and I think accompanying writing with visual elements is a good way to do that, be it as comics, animation or video games.
Apart from stories, visual can also communicate ideas and feelings by themselves, there's something to be read about every visual piece of art, even if what you read is just... a cartoon dog who is happy because he stole a sausage. That can still evoke an emotional reaction, albeit probably a simple one.
Given this context, I understand why badly drawn art sometimes gets far more popular than overly rendered images. Sometimes they're just more effective in communicating things that speak to people.

[Anonymous No.6280893]

>>6280678
You deserve to get killed. Fuck your AI you big baby.

[Anonymous No.6280972]

>>6278437
I get what you mean, but probably the most beautiful and powerful story I've ever read was kokou no hito. There's something to be said about just prose. But perfectly mixing visual storytelling with a compelling narrative is extremely powerful, more powerful than either medium on their own. I still draw because I want to make comics, it's by far the best artistic medium in my opinion.

[Anonymous No.6280999]

>>6280814
Either you must not be cut out for art, or your dopamine receptors are so fried that you can't get pleasure anymore from small things like finally drawing a foot or a face or a animal that looks good, even if the whole piece isn't great. If you don't like to study, you just need to find a new way of studying. We are human so we like to learn naturally, but our methods of learning are unique.

[Anonymous No.6281118]

>>6278746
Sounds like a prompt. Do you realize you could have this piece today in a couple seconds by using stable diffusion?

[Anonymous No.6281144]

>>6278437
>Why, for over 500 years, has no other painting ever come close to a reputation as ubiquitous as that one?
I see Starry Night far more than the Mona Lisa. The Scream is more often referenced in my experience as well. Mona Lisa is on par with The Kiss. The Birth of Venus is at least as famous and culturally impactful as Mona Lisa.

[Anonymous No.6281145]

>>6280129
Exactly, exercising your mind is just as important as exercising your body, people who choose to do neither will end up as crippled dementia patients while those that do will likely continue to be healthy until their death.

[Anonymous No.6281163]

>>6278437
Well, you're right to a certain extent. When it comes to drawing/painting, a single piece can only be so amazing when it's limited in scope by the physical size of canvas or whatever else.
Meanwhile stories have no page limit, so you end up with books that the author poured literal decades into, which is far beyond the scope of a single drawing.

[Anonymous No.6282166]

>>6278481
Of course it is possible to learn English. If you want to write in English, you should take English classes on writing. There are also a lot of youtube videos and resources online about how to write novels, stories, and etc.

>>6280814
Don't do something and expect it to be fun every time. Think about your life and what you want to accomplish before you die. For me, that's my motivation.

>>6280843
It's true that you can't experience how your work will affect the world after you die and that some people draw because it's meaningful or fun to them, but that's a very solipsistic view of the world. If a tree falls in the forest and nobody is around, does it make a sound? I don't believe the world dies with you when you die. If I die and nobody remembers my work, then what was the point? Basically, your existence didn't even matter. Therefore, it's important for my work to live beyond myself, and for that to happen, it needs to have a reason to be remembered. I see creative writing as having more potential for impact than any single image can produce. Even when an image is as famous as the Mona Lisa, its impact is very limited. On top of it, the work itself isn't its significance. I will probably continue to draw and paint, but there is only so much time in the day.

I think I might be in the minority of people who feels this way because most of the time I just meet people going about their daily lives without a care for what legacy they leave behind. They only want to have fun and live in the moment until they disappear without a trace into the dirt.

[Anonymous No.6282177]

>>6278445
Based on what showings? Oh right, there are none. We don’t even have a release date.

[Anonymous No.6282229]

>>6279173
>>6280776
i just know when to stop because unlike you i can think two steps ahead

[Anonymous No.6282235]

>>6278437
Most stories are forgotten as time marches on, no different than art. As far as I can tell, your primary concern is that writing can convey more, but this isn’t necessarily true. True, you are working with single frames rather than something in motion. You’ll need to be smarter in how you portray what you want, but your only true limit is creativity—and that is as boundless as you’ll allow it to be.

Want to build fantastic worlds? Envision the places you can go, the sights you can see. Take a snapshot of those in your mind, and transfer that to your canvas. Want to create memorable characters? Do the same thing, imagining them in a scene. What is happening? What are they feeling? What is the overall mood? Focus on the minutiae, and transfer that to paper. It is said that a picture is worth a thousand words, and even as a mediocre writefag myself I am yet in agreement. Let me tell you, I’ve consumed many stories of all sorts, yet pieces like picrel left a more striking impression of humanity in me than the vast majority of those. Behind Ivan’s eyes alone there is a story: I don’t think I have ever seen the emotions of regret and fear realized more thoroughly in any media I’ve consumed; and from nothing more than a small part of a still piece.

It might not be easy, but it isn’t impossible.

>>6280671
All art is subjective; just because an AI is more efficient at making images doesn’t mean you can’t create something beautiful. The most important thing is that it is important to you.

[Anonymous No.6282262]

>>6278437
I just find it satisfying and fun to be able to render ideas. It's also an extremely handy evolutionarily trait with limitless potential and it'd be crazy to just let it go to waste.
>>6280129
This. It's not an exaggeration when people say keeping your mind and body busy helps you live longer since your body will still feel inclined to productive stimulation, or something like that.

[Anonymous No.6282265]

>>6280671
>There's no point continuing because AI already does it better
Prove it, pajeet. Post an AI picture involving a simple cartoon man walking his dog.

[Anonymous No.6284826]

>>6282265
I don't even care if the AI can do it "better". The fleeting instant gratification that comes from clicking a button doesn't compare to the satisfaction of putting time into something and seeing the result of honest work. This artificial "intelligence" is just another toy for people to burn out their dopamine receptors with.

[Anonymous No.6284845]

>>6278437
I wanted to draw a comic book series that could be turned into a huge film franchise... then Disney bought 20th Century Fox and rammed Star Wars into the ground and I realized I didn't want my stuff to become some venue for some Hollywood Pedo Jew to brag about how diverse his company is. I do, however, want to draw comic books and have them up there in the shelves in book stores, I don't aspire to be the best selling ever, or for them to be turned into movies or tv or animation, just have them out there and for the people that get them to read enjoy it for at least while they flip through it...

[Anonymous No.6284874]

>>6284845
Well, you should just take their money anyway, or negotiate how your story will be adapted. Your story can always be remade better by different people. If the adaptation is trash, people will just take the position that the original, the comic or book, was canon. E.g., look at how trash the movie adaptation of the avatar the last airbender was by shyamalan. Everyone I know just pretend it doesn't exist, but the writers still got free money.