/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.6249241]

>oh boy, it's gesture drawing time!
>go to quickposes dot cum
>model does the most unnatural, uncomfortable and useless pose they can think of
Sigh... Is there a site that doesn't do this shit?

Sure, it's a good practice from time to time (I got my first certificate from that site recently), but for daily warm ups I'd like something more natural, something I'm likely to actually use in practice. Any recommendations?

>inb4 download pics from facebook/google/instagram
I don't really have the time to download pics one by one, so help would be appreciated.

[Anonymous No.6249256]

>>6249241
>I don't really have the time to download pics one by one,
Yes you do.also there's a thread for retarded questions

[Anonymous No.6249258]

>>6249241
you really will have to use google or Pinterest. Unless you can pick out the poses you can draw on quickposes or any other pose site then it'll just give you any pose at random.

even then quickposes only lets you narrow it down so much.

[Anonymous No.6249265]

>>6249241
figure drawing is the most useless thing to do for learning figure

[Anonymous No.6249278]

>>6249265
>figure drawing is the most useless thing to do for learning figure
Said no instructor or actual professional artist ever.

[Anonymous No.6249286]

drawing is the most useless thing to do for learning drawing

[Anonymous No.6249522]

>>6249241
I wish they had more average male models instead of the wrinkly asian man
if i have to see another picture of that ugly bdsm lady with the horse-like face i swear

[Anonymous No.6249688]

>>6249265
>>6249278
David Finch said that.

[Anonymous No.6249692]

>>6249241
https://rutracker.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6162470

[Anonymous No.6249706]

>>6249241
The point of figure drawing isn't to be comfortable with the poses. You are supposed to be exposed to new poses as it helps show the limits and possibilities of the human body and challenges you. If you find these difficult that's a good thing.

If you are just doing warmups you can do 30 second gestural sketches which will loosen you up nicely for drawing but you don't need to worry about perfection on them.

[Anonymous No.6249734]

>>6249278
life drawing when you are a beg is the stupidest thing you can do because you don't have the experience to be able to make good simplifications , when you have literally the simplifications of artists with years and years of experience at your disposal, every beg should start by copying the simplification of famous artists and then start doing their own life drawings

[Anonymous No.6249761]

>>6249692
Extremely based, thank you!

>>6249706
When doing other work you'll be naturally more inclined to draw poses you are most familiar with.
If unnatural, and weird poses are the ones you practice the most, then you'll tend to make your regular sketches wonky as well; it can be a struggle to draw just someone calmy relaxing if you didn't practice that.
As I said in OP, sure, it's fine to do that from time to time, but doing it daily is overdoing it.

Isn't it logical to spend most time on poses that you'll be drawing most often?

[Anonymous No.6250828]

>>6249241
you should have already known how to draw natural-looking poses at that point

[Anonymous No.6250846]

>>6249241
>model does the most unnatural, uncomfortable and useless pose they can think of
Do not give up Anon! Making unnatural poses will help you find proportions better in all cases since you are give an unusual way to look at the body.
Keep doing it it is worth it!

[Anonymous No.6250848]

marc brunet says doing weird gesture poses is a waste of time

[Anonymous No.6251019]

>>6250848
And he's god damn right.

[Anonymous No.6251020]

>>6249734
post your work, lets see where your own advice has led you to c:

[Anonymous No.6251076]

>>6250828
I do know how to do that. I'm just trying to get even better and faster at it.

[Anonymous No.6251567]

Go to le Reddit page called Gonewild & draw all the dumb whores that post there.
Or just copy Japanese gravure pics if you’re a weeb.

[Anonymous No.6251678]

>>6251567
Am weeb, where can I find japanese gravure pics?

[Anonymous No.6252176]

I can relate, OP.

>let's do some human practice
>instead get blacks and fatsos
>then comes that med guy with a big ballsack who likes to show everyone his wiener with awkward poses
It'd be fine if these were the minority of pics, but I have to press next at least 4 times every time I'm trying to find something decent to draw. Have these people never drawn in their lives? Don't they know their material is lacking fun, interesting poses that actually show the human form?
It's either boring standing or wacky yoga with these fucks, so I began to save some stuff for myself.

[Anonymous No.6252316]

Need some help here (No crabs/Negativity)

I have a mental block regarding gesture drawing, it's like I can't learn it and my brain refuses the idea to practice it
I can do tedious works and practices all the time, but gesture? Stress even before trying, it's like a PTSD, so I keep trying but leads me nowhere
Any tips? I want to try again, how do I start on gesture? what's the mindset I should be on?

[Anonymous No.6252480]

>>6251678
reddit has the nastiest and most degenerate shit out of all websites, including 4chan

[Anonymous No.6252482]

>>6252316
finish every gesture with a basic construction. It's more productive and helps your form-drawing skills, while also building your pose knowledge

[Anonymous No.6252707]

>>6249241
i get you but in my opinion even the "weird" poses can be helpful to copy. maybe the pose itself won't be helpful, but knowing what an arm or a leg or a hand at a certain perspective looks like can help (in addition to more detailed studies) in the future

[Anonymous No.6252720]

you realise you’re not learning poses, you’re learning how the anatomy interconnects, right?
this is literally the same concept as the first thing the sticky tells you with the upside down picasso, you’re not drawing a guy sitting

[Anonymous No.6252791]

>>6252176
I bet your drawings suck so much ass it doesn't matter what the photos look like.

[Anonymous No.6252878]

>>6252791
" - said the brown lesbian lardtube, not posting xyr work.

[Anonymous No.6253001]

>>6249241
Low IQ subhuman spotted
It's unnatural so the unknown parts of the human body gets exposed too. If you keep practicing normal poses your drawings will be stiff. That's why you want to practice the most exaggerated piece of shit poses so you will be able to draw sexy kids like pic related

[Anonymous No.6253008]

>>6252316
Just draw figures a thousand times. I did not know how i managed to do it, but after a hundred drawings it clicked for me. You need to practice.

DO NOT AVOID YOUR PROBLEMS!!! If you see a difficult figure, attempt to draw it. You will learn a lot from drawing complicated figures.

[Anonymous No.6253010]

>>6253008
Forgot to add, just imagine the forms. You can spend 1 hour and just read vilppu's book. Its free on the internet.
You're not a subhuman with 5 second tiktoker attention span, right? Then you can read a book from start to finish.

[Anonymous No.6253336]

thought this was a figure drawing thread. guess I'll post these anyway.

for the OP, there're some figure drawing references in the 'Beginner essentials' mega link in the artbook thread

[Anonymous No.6253386]

>>6253001
>weeb thinks his mango "artists" learned their figure drawing by drawing completely retarded poses
KEK! smoothbrain detected.
But go ahead and prove me wrong by posting your work :^)
(you won't)

[Anonymous No.6253452]

used to be one of these "i don't wanna draw gross lumpy flesh bodies i wanna draw sexi stylized babes wahhhh" people but now its insane to me that people are so against the concept of studing the human body so they know what they are actually stylizing...

[Anonymous No.6253468]

>>6253336
Thanks for recommendation! There is some gold in there.

[Anonymous No.6253481]

>>6253452
first thing i ever did was push myself to learn anatomy properly, i still enjoy doing anatomy studies when i feel i don't have the mental capacity to do much else

[Anonymous No.6253543]

Are you guys SERIOUSLY telling me that right pose is better than the left one?

[Anonymous No.6253552]

>>6253543
>losing his shit over a funny little jester
there's no "better" in this scenario anon, they're just different poses for different purposes.
If you want to draw someone crawling, the right one is pretty nice if you just slap on different legs
the left one is only "better" for generic anime "ecchi", but only to you. For this kind of stuff just reference porn and any generic instagram influencer with an onlyfans.

[Anonymous No.6253554]

>>6249241
A classic exercise is using a movie and drawing from that, so just pause at a good scene draw the figures from that - granted they're going to be clothed.

>>6253543
Hah, fair enough

>>6249734
Also fair enough, I'd still argue that saying figure drawing is useless for learning the figure is foolish, regardless of whether a singular good artist said that or not.

[Anonymous No.6253586]

>>6253543
japan using pornstars for reference books is hilarious

[Anonymous No.6253717]

>>6253008
>>6253010
Thanks pal!
I forgot once I managed to get really into it with Mattesi's Force approach, since it explains some "gesture concepts" to put it like that (The direction, applied force, contraction, etc) that I can visualize and interpret
I still get that mental bug of "Is this how am I supposed to do it?? I don't feel like I'm learning anything" but he even says "If you are feeling like that, Don't. Use your inner monologue as a tool to assist, not to fear" and I think it works for me!
Once I get the hang of it I will try Vilppu as you said anon

[Anonymous No.6253723]

>>6253717
>>6253008
>>6253010
Also, this is my current level
I think my greatest flaw is my speed

[Anonymous No.6253895]

>>6252316
There are a lot of different theories of what gesture actually is, like every teacher that you learn it from will teach it as a different thing. I had to go through a lot of explanations of it before I found a method that clicked for me, take bits that work from each method. Basically the gesture should be like a wire skeleton that you build up on, as if you were making a clay sculpture. It doesn't have to be exactly proportional, but it should be the "action" or "life" in the pose, the figure will stiffen up as you do the construction, etc on top so it should be exaggerated. It's just something to build on, NOTHING else. Don't make it more complicated than that, so don't add details or anything, and don't overthink it.

[Anonymous No.6254124]

>>6253543
The left is really garbage and stiff. Does not show any motion at all. If you want to draw anime you will have to add a little bit of motion in the figure so it looks pretty

[Anonymous No.6254145]

This reminds me, I was going through the Famous Artists Course and their reference photos are pretty good. The BW conversion probably helps, but I like their proportions and posing, too.
Are there any sets of photos of oldtimey models like that? Other than Muybridge, I guess.

[Anonymous No.6254333]

>>6253895
The details I added later as >>6252482 said

[Anonymous No.6254407]

>>6249241
The Art Models reference books from the beginner essentials /artbook/ MEGA are pretty good. I used Calibre to extract all the pages into images for easy viewing by converting the PDFs into zip files.

[Anonymous No.6254758]

>>6253543
they both suck

[Anonymous No.6254766]

>>6254145
Goals, damn boy he thicc

[Anonymous No.6254783]

>>6253001
>anime
>Pic related
Hmmmmm

[Anonymous No.6254872]

>>6254783
why would you put this horrible anime face on it. im dying

[Anonymous No.6254933]

>>6254758
post your references