/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.6246848]

Ok stable diffusion is impressive.

[Anonymous No.6246852]

guess ill go work at mcdonalds...

[Anonymous No.6246857]

>>6246852
Tattoo artists are still in high demand.

[Anonymous No.6246887]

>>6246852
why not retail

[Anonymous No.6246899]

Consider this is just what they are releasing to the masses. The technology being held back is even better. It literally is over for artists.

[Anonymous No.6246925]

>syd mead after having a concussion

[Anonymous No.6246936]

MORE AI THREADS YAS XD
SUCH SKILLED ARTISTS >>6246848 THANKS FOR POSTING THAT OP!

[Anonymous No.6246967]

>>6246925
Still better than anything you can draw.

[Anonymous No.6246968]

>>6246967
You don't even draw.

[Anonymous No.6246970]

>>6246968
I make AI assisted artwork :)

[Anonymous No.6246977]

>>6246970
I make great food by ordering from a restaurant.

[Anonymous No.6246984]

>>6246977
>Food analogy
lol seethe

[Anonymous No.6246988]

>>6246967
The AI has gotten so good that I can't even tell what it's drawing anymore.

[Anonymous No.6246994]

>>6246852
learn to drive trucks with liquid chemicals
or install HVACs

[Anonymous No.6247008]

>>6246994
I want an easy job where I do almost nothing and watch animes/chat on my phone. You know how we zoomers are and can't have a real job with our brain fried by new tech.

[Anonymous No.6247010]

>>6246977
ai simp btfo

[Anonymous No.6247012]

>>6246968
EXACTLY!
>>6246977
Pretty fucked up.
But this is only the tip of the iceberg.
Tech’s only been around for about a decade.
Imagine what happens over the next 10 years.

[Anonymous No.6247022]

I keep saying to check every week and see an improvement but more like check every day:

https://multimodal.art/news/1-week-of-stable-diffusion

This is what game over looks like.

[Anonymous No.6247082]

>melty forms everywhere
>can't maintain a consistent perspective
Is this a joke thread?

[Anonymous No.6247198]

>>6247082
Your talking about a child, that will live longer than you or your great great grandchildren.
It will only get better and smarter. It can’t be bargained with. It can’t feel pity or remorse. Or fear. And it absolutely won’t stop EVER! Until YOU ARE DEAD!

[Anonymous No.6247208]

>>6247008
internal IT support in a bank central then

[Anonymous No.6247217]

>>6246848
das rite

[Anonymous No.6247487]

>>6246848
Ai can't execute a client's art direction. Those who worry don't even work industry or worst don't even draw LOl.

[Anonymous No.6247498]

>>6247012
>Imagine what happens over the next 10 years.
the same shit? AI will try to apply the same patterns to things it cannot conceptualize.
>https://www.nexusmods.com/daggerfallunity/mods/5?tab=description
look at this shitty upscaling. this is AI in a nutshell. janky horrifying shit, replacing pixels with smoothened out shit because the AI cannot conceptualize what the original creator meant

[Anonymous No.6247503]

reminder that AI fags believe that this looks better than original Daggerfall graphics

[Anonymous No.6247533]

>>6247487
Chances are if you work in the industry you haven't been seriously drawing in years.

[Anonymous No.6247562]

>>6246848
>stable diffusion is impressive.
>AI Art is impressive
No one said otherwise. It's genuinely a very impressive tool and an amazing accomplishment of humanity honestly. However thread after thread of this shit, of people being depressive doomers, of NFT br- excuse me AI Art bros shilling this shit constantly, it's very tiring.

I should be excited to give this stuff a whirl and try using it in my own work, but this crap honestly just makes me so sick of it.
But that pic is cool OP, AI art is really could at drawing mech/tech stuff.

>>6247487
This guy gets it.

[Anonymous No.6247567]

>>6247012
>Imagine what happens over the next 10 years
Wow, it'll be another ten years older!

[Anonymous No.6247576]

>>6247562
I'm starting to think it needs its own board, just like how 3D art has its own.
It's cool stuff but really it's an entirely different ball game from traditional drawing and painting.

[Anonymous No.6247583]

...

XD

[Anonymous No.6247584]

>>6247576
>from traditional drawing and painting.
Then move digital fags from here too.

[Anonymous No.6247596]

>>6247576
I do think that it should be discussed among those on /ic/ because it's important to the industry, but the shitters are just trolling at this point with their deluge of this stuff.

Like I think it'd be fun to have a "draw sketches and put it into img2img" thread, but lord knows people wouldn't react positively to it, because I'm tired of AI already.

So yeah, new board might be good.

[Anonymous No.6247599]

>>6247596
We also discuss 3D sometimes. And that's fine.

[Anonymous No.6247605]

>>6247596
>have a "draw sketches and put it into img2img" thread,
this board is literally called critique
it was originally for improvement and learning not fun social media tier meme threads
go to /i/ for that
but since /ic/ became a wasteland of permabegs, crabs and tourists, it isnt about art anymore
it isnt about improvement
its just a random board loosely related to drawing
i dont know whats worse, the crabs and shitposting schizos, or you tourists that flooded the board past few months with your reddit/twitter bullshit

[Anonymous No.6247612]

AI pictures being considered art in an insult to every artist who has lived and died. It's not impressive seeing the top uptoved aitarterinos in reddit being a prompts with "draw by [Artist]" in order to generate anything that stands out and then worshipping the AI. The machine needs humans to work for it while giving nothing back, in fact erasing them from the picture. This is a middle finger to humanity, not an achievement or some "democratization" as the pajeet who worked on CAIAC19 keeps saying.

It's exactly like idiots who use the Tela's frequent electricity when turning off their lamps and thanking Thomas Edison for it. Tesla got broke and died in poverty and Edison got rich.

[Anonymous No.6247632]

/p/ has just as much to worry then /ic/.

[Anonymous No.6247638]

>another mobile faggot posting garbage on /ic/
If every single mobile poster got banned from this board the quality would shoot up and crabbing would instantly drop by 99%.
But no, the subhuman trash is just as free as real people to post on here.

[Anonymous No.6247640]

I saw something about requesting removal of your work from future data sets - does anyone have a link?

[Anonymous No.6247643]

What was the license SD was using anyway, again?
If it's actually FOSS we should be able to request the source for the model itself. That is, the entire dataset which it was trained on.
Which the entity that created the AI almost certainly does not own the rights to distribute.

[Anonymous No.6247645]

>>6247640
Unlikely it will help. A few artists asked midjourney to omit their work but the devs refused by saying that their AI is not trained on any copyrighted work despite there being obvious terms linked to IPs.

[Anonymous No.6247655]

>>6247605
>dont know whats worse, the crabs and shitposting schizos, or you tourists that flooded the board past few months with your reddit/twitter bullshit
Whoah-oh, didn't realise the grouchy old no-fun /ic/ police would stop me from breaking the rule of even suggesting a thread where... Users submit artwork and we critique it (or more specifically the AI and it's use since I haven't actually seen it appropriately discussed on this board yet). Didn't realise that being perfectly within the rules was so frowned about, I'm sorry faggot.

From now on I'll only think about making threads about Loomis, constructoids, and threads about social media. Any original or unique threads, especially ones encouraging others to draw for fun or challenge, are bad as they're "le epic social meme reddit ifunny tier", thank you for showing me the way.

It's a good thing I hadn't made the thread yet (and wasn't going to as I never said I would) and only posted I was thinking something along those lines would be good before you blew up at me in an autistic rage, or I would have done something silly.

>>6247632
I'd argue more, as the AIs seem much more adept at being photographically realistic, than it is at stylising things. I've heard it's the end of stock photography, and I tend to agree.

>>6247643
As far as I'm aware, the AI isn't distributed with the art, but the patterns it forms from scanning the art become part of the AI's programming; which makes sense since that'd be a fuck ton of images and would make the AIs file size much larger.

[Anonymous No.6247658]

>>6247643
The SD dataset is public, it has tons of copyrighted works in it. It is not an issue of distribution of the source images. The abstraction and compression of the dataset does not negate the fact that artist's IP was used in the training. This is a breech of copyright that will keep increasing in size until someone rewrites the law

[Anonymous No.6247664]

>>6247658
But those are the images the model was trained from, not the model itself. Not a singular byte of the original pictures is present in the model, so it would be pretty hard to claim copyright infringement (At least with our current laws).

[Anonymous No.6247665]

>>6247658
Okay so it's not actually FOSS. That was the answer I was looking for.
I also looked up their license and it looks like it's something they cooked up themselves. Figured it couldn't be just GPL.

[Anonymous No.6247666]

>>6246848
do you run on it your computer?
how fast is it?

[Anonymous No.6247668]

>>6247655
Kys

[Anonymous No.6247671]

>>6247655
>(or more specifically the AI and it's use since I haven't actually seen it appropriately discussed on this board yet).
Lmao so how you're going to criticize AI? Are your quality parameters going to revolve around copypasted prompts and buttom mashing speed?
>>>/r/AIart

[Anonymous No.6247672]

>>6247664
It would be an interesting legal claim to make - using other's art to make your program, but where the art is actually nowhere within said program. Could they possibly be liable? Maybe. Interesting to find out all the same.

[Anonymous No.6247675]

>>6247658
They're all bloodsucking vampires.

[Anonymous No.6247678]

>>6247671
>how you're going to criticize AI?
Like the prompts, or how well it actually does things (it's well known AI is ass at faces and hands), or what kind of sketches or prompts get good results? There's any number of things you stupid faggot.

>>6247668
A wet sloppy kys to you too anon.

[Anonymous No.6247679]

>>6247665
The made up license of these AIs is retarded
>"no you can't own AI generations, any Mario picture you generate is ours not the prompter or Nintendo's. By the way you can commercialize it"
Then we have people freely uploading AI art as NFTs on blockchain and claiming several layers of ownership over them.

[Anonymous No.6247692]

>>6247678
You would need to be a smoothbrain with absolutely nothing to do if you want to curate randomly generated infinite inputs of a machine. No one is signing up for this here so as I said you have better chances of being an "AI critic" at Reddit or /g/

[Anonymous No.6247703]

>>6247672
Trying to claim a copyright infringement on these AI models would be like trying to sue someone because they learned from your drawings.

[Anonymous No.6247711]

>>6247672
This does not extend only to art, but your photos as well. There was a schizo making a bunch of Emma Watson pics so it's sure that her face was thrown in there

[Anonymous No.6247718]

>>6247692
> No one is signing up for this here so as I said you have better chances of being an "AI critic" at Reddit or /g/
>Like I think it'd be fun to have a "draw sketches and put it into img2img" thread, but lord knows people wouldn't react positively to it, because I'm tired of AI already.
Assuming you're the same anon, you didn't even really read the sentence you're fucking cumming over yourself in rage over. I even state I'm fucking tired of AI. I thought it was an interesting tech, was curious how we could use it in our art, thought the idea of img2img was interesting etc. etc.
But all this shitty "Nooo it took our jobs", "Auugh I'm proompting", "Artists are seething" AI threads, the reactions on twitter, the youtube videos, everything has soured me on it very quickly.

>You would need to be a smoothbrain with absolutely nothing to do if you want to curate randomly generated infinite inputs of a machine.
Having a discussion and critiquing the tech =/= wanting to become a proompter.

And again, the rage you're feeling is something I stated I thought would have hypothetically been an interesting thread at one point... but not anymore. Can you get anymore retarded?

[Anonymous No.6247719]

>>6247672
Not really and not even the angle I was pursuing when I asked about the license.
It could be against FOSS principles but the license isn't even real FOSS as far as I see.
Neural networks are just about the worst kind of binary blob but binary blobs aren't against the law.

[Anonymous No.6247724]

>>6247703
learning from other artists takes a tremendous amount of effort and introspection, while AI just blends patterns from stolen artwork. It's completely different.

[Anonymous No.6247725]

>>6247711
Yeah I've seen that, I wouldn't be surprised if the first thing to hit these AIs a cease and desists for all the Deep Fakes they can make.

[Anonymous No.6247752]

>>6247703
It’s not the same, don’t anthropomorphise big tech using your copyright just because they obscure the source

[Anonymous No.6247756]

>>6247671
I assume he means discussing ways to utilize the AI's output to support the creation of regular art. I've been experiminting with it a little in the last few days, but it's early.
However, so far I don't really see much of a point in using it over the old "cheating" ways of 3D models and/or photobashing. Thing is that 3D and photos give you absolute control and you can trust them to be actually precise and accurate. Just like tools should be.
AI shits out random things tangentially related to your prompts and sketches and the output isn't even accurate with regards to anatomy or perspective so you'll have these random generated AI mistakes creeping into your work, on top of whatever mistakes you make yourself.
Who wants or needs a crooked tool in their toolbox?

[Anonymous No.6247875]

https://laion-aesthetic.datasette.io/laion-aesthetic-6pls/images
You can search 2% of the laion dataset to see if your shit was stolen

[Anonymous No.6247880]

>>6247875
>stolen
You cannot steal jpgs, remember the whole ntf debacle?

[Anonymous No.6247898]

>>6247875
The only reason why the pajeet got this many datascrapped images in the first place is due to his collab with the UN and EU representants giving him bucks to make an the caiac19 overseer AI during covid. What worries me more is that they're pushing this project forward and we're only seeing the breadcrumps of their progress with these image AIs

[Anonymous No.6247914]

>>6247724
you're an idiot there isn't a single pixel of any existing artwork used in the generation of any AI work nor will you find any original work within the models.

[Anonymous No.6247921]

>>6247498
>>6247503
All your saying is it still has a long way to go. I agree. But it’s come a hell of a lot further than I imagined.
>>6247583
Point taken.
>>6247612
I agree. Nobody should take credit any of this shit.
But reference swiping has been an industry standard since ever.
I can see a lot of professionals are going to generate art and paint over it, just for the sake of efficiency. Like they do with photo bashing.

[Anonymous No.6247933]

>>6247914
I just generated a picture of Sonic. Guess it isn't an original character anymore because the AI painted over it? Lmao these crossboarders and their inane gaslighting

[Anonymous No.6247966]

>>6247933
No retard no one is claiming Sonic is an original character the same way no one thinks CWC's Sonichu is an original either.
The AI doesn't take any actual image and incorporates it into its generation. Nor is there any actual data in the model itself containing images. Which is why its retarded to say the AI is photo bashing because there are no photos at all in the model.

I would discuss further that the AI first and foremost isn't an image generator but a natural language interpreter but you are too much of a brainless to understand that

[Anonymous No.6248029]

>>6247966
There’s no such thing as you’re describing. It’s a rote pattern recognition system that pairs letters to pixels. It’s not sentient. It doesn’t understand what a tree is.

[Anonymous No.6248421]

>>6246977
this is just retarded seething jealousy

if you had a 3090+ or a A6000/A8000 - you'd dabble in the exact same thing. Cope and seeth faggot

[Anonymous No.6248427]

>>6246984
Zoomer lol, lmao.

[Anonymous No.6248430]

>>6247921
>All your saying is it still has a long way to go
I'm saying it will never be better than putting lipstick on a pig. it has no self evaluation capabilities, and it doesn't think or judge like a human, despite normalfaggots like you soifacing over artificial "intelligence" and hearing the word "neural"

[Anonymous No.6248434]

>>6248430
Im glad there is still a handfull of sane anons in ic.

[Anonymous No.6248437]

>>6247966
AI doesn't think like a human you retard. it takes 1 billion pictures of rocks and tries to do the same patterns without thinking about what it's doing. it's extremely mechanical "learning", it has no concept of understanding what it's doing. that's why when a retard like you tells it to do something complex a jumbled mess comes out, and the stuff it shits out that looks somewhat decent but uncanny and soulless is always generic

[Anonymous No.6248439]

>>6247914
The AI's entire cognitive capacity was built on the backs of artist's hard labor. Any image you feed into it was stolen.

[Anonymous No.6248456]

>>6246967
You can even see the remains of some poor artist's signature whose art was copied.

[Anonymous No.6248458]

>>6248439
Oy vey! Study is theft

[Anonymous No.6248463]

>>6248458
can you please feed midjourney pictures from real life only and see what it can come up with in terms of art? after all, it thinks just like a human :)

[Anonymous No.6248464]

>>6248458
Humans study, machines copy (which is copyright infringement)

[Anonymous No.6248469]

>>6246984
>can't refute it
lol seethe

[Anonymous No.6248470]

>>6248463
just tell it to draw a characters head in a different angle
that is enough to make the ai shitters seethe and not reply to you knowing they got no response beyond the same old parroting

[Anonymous No.6248480]

>>6248470
>b-but the future! It will get better!

[Anonymous No.6248522]

>>6246967
Is that your signature in the bottom left?
Imagine having someone else's signature in "your" art and claiming you made it yourself.

[Anonymous No.6248592]

>>6248480
I mean it did lol.
AI went from left to right within a few years.

[Anonymous No.6248648]

>>6248592
It would be nice to have a comparison using several models, and see how it progressed through the years.

[Anonymous No.6248654]

https://rentry.org/GUItard

[Anonymous No.6248661]

>>6248592
>AI went from left to right within a few years.
Two different programs, where the only real difference between them then and now is the size of the dataset they've used.
Shouldn't we be comparing the same AI at least?

[Anonymous No.6248665]

>>6248661
>Shouldn't we be comparing the same AI at least?
These things build on top of each other, retard. Dall-E is improvement on Disco

[Anonymous No.6248667]

>>6248665
Saying you can't compare the two is saying you can't compare fliphones from 2002 to iPhones of 2022.

[Anonymous No.6248699]

>>6248665
>Dall-E is improvement on Disco
So are the differing AIs are all completely equal in their rendering abilities? Has Disco Diffusion stopped production? Why not compare the older version of Disco with the newer version of Disco to compare AIs development rather than comparing and older version of a different program to a newer one?

Also you didn't address:
>where the only real difference between them then and now is the size of the dataset they've used.

[Anonymous No.6248706]

>>6248699
feeding the AI more and more data remind me of the "more organs means more human" episode of invader zim

[Anonymous No.6249184]

THERE ARE CURRENTLY 9 ACTIVE THREADS ABOUT AI IN THIS PIECE OF SHIT BOARD.

NINE

9

九
Ⅸ

>>6238081
>>6247230
>>6245092
>>6246848
>>6244480
>>6245315
>>6245562
>>6247885
>>6249129

Here is a picture of a Janitor riding a tank I made with AI, to participate in this wonderful thread.

Have a bump, why not?
These threads are 100% approved and allowed by moderation, after all.

[Anonymous No.6249244]

employees of these ai generated artwork companies are out in full force today

lol

best to find yourselves a new occupation because all this shilling youre doing wont save your company

[Anonymous No.6249275]

I can't wait until my job posting on 4chan is taken by ai too

[Anonymous No.6249292]

>>6248699
>buhhhh buhhh but disco
Seething lmao

[Anonymous No.6249456]

>>6249292
>Seething lmao
Excellent point dipshit.

[Anonymous No.6249751]

>>6246968
Now I don't have to.

[Anonymous No.6249764]

THIEVING COCKSOCKERS

[Anonymous No.6249769]

>>6249764
if only someone had tried to warn liberals about big tech

[Anonymous No.6249843]

>>6246967
>>6246848
everything is cool
but the design itself is complete fucking garbage
till the AI can do a well though out design, so never, dont show this stuff again

[Anonymous No.6249854]

>>6249843
>this image is great but it sucks because.... it just DOES okay?
>now never post or discuss AI art again. I'm not scared of it or anything, it just sucks. Why? Because I say it does, FUCK OFF. REPORTED!!!

Holy.


Fucking.


COPE...

[Anonymous No.6249867]

>>6246848
what's up up with all this fucking censoring, if i prompt lesbian intercourse, pussy licking, 69, wet and slimy i want to see that shit going down.

[Anonymous No.6249871]

>>6249854
the design on those machines is absolute trash
the style of the drawing, colors, lines are good

you are coping that your shitty scraping program with random image mixing is not that good
cope more technigger
but despite all your cope, your opinion will always be worthless and invalid
since you are a plain retard impressed by a database

[Anonymous No.6249876]

>>6249871
>you are a plain retard impressed by a database
>this is better than being a plain retard impressed by lines on paper
Grow up. Mature a bit. Stop using tired reductionist arguments and accept that the world is changing. We're all waiting for you once you man up a little.

[Anonymous No.6249890]

>>6249184
Why would mods ban AI threads? If that's what people want to discuss on an art board where its very relevant why should they not be able to?

[Anonymous No.6249910]

>>6249890
Try making 11 Loli Shota General or 11 DAD threads and see what happens, you disingenious ni/g/ger.

[Anonymous No.6249921]

>>6249910
They're all very different threads that just so happen to have AI in common. You'd expect a lot of discussion about something this important wouldn't you? No idea what /g/ is sorry.

[Anonymous No.6249952]

>>6249921
They're all very different characters that just so happen to have loli in common. You'd expect a lot of discussion about something this popular wouldn't you? No idea what 4chan is sorry.

[Anonymous No.6249962]

>>6249910
/dad/ ran this board for months, got video course threads banned and didn't even get punished, what are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.6249966]

>>6249952
Yet there are multiple threads about digital art. Many years ago that was seen as a huge shake up. Should all art created digitally be confined to a single thread? This is much bigger than your child drawings.

[Anonymous No.6249983]

>>6249962
Kek, this pasta is still alive.

[Anonymous No.6250040]

>>6249890
>If that's what people want to discuss on an art board where its very relevant why should they not be able to?
you ai shitters trying to gaslight people now?
yep
definitely not a coordinated group of discord retards trying to shit up /ic/

[Anonymous No.6250047]

>>6250040
Your meds schitzo

[Anonymous No.6250052]

>>6250040
The one reason why I don't believe it's a Discord raid is that trannies adore AI. Go to /dad/ and they're all jacking off over how much easier it's going to make "drawing" while suffering from fifteen different mental illnesses

[Anonymous No.6250061]

>>6250040
Which do you think is more likely:

There’s a group of people dedicated to posting AI threads on Ic to..??? And they’re really dedicated to it.

Something huge has just arrived on the scene and its scared a lot of people who want to talk about it.

It’d be weird if there were only a couple of AI threads. It seems natural people would be talking about that.

[Anonymous No.6250821]

>>6247658
>grab images from the internet
>nooo you're using the artist's IP!!
lmao

[Anonymous No.6250833]

>>6250821
>The Law
lmao

[Anonymous No.6250840]

>>6247658
Photobashers have been using images from the internet for years, as long as it's transformative.its all good.

[Anonymous No.6250951]

>>6250840
it's not about any singular image. It's about the training of an algorithim off of billions of stolen images.

[Anonymous No.6250989]

>>6247914
Yes there is. That's why you get watermarks and signatures appearing in AI generated images. It just takes a bunch of existing assets and scrambles them together.

[Anonymous No.6250991]

>>6247008
actually security job at some warehouse would be perfect. i worked in one for a bit and the security would just sleep or read books with the occasional golf cart patrol around the building at night

[Anonymous No.6251032]

>>6249456
>Excellent point dipshit.

[Anonymous No.6251239]

>>6246967
I can see the car it fused into the tank chassis

[Anonymous No.6251467]

>>6249890
for the same reason culturewar threads don't belong on this board. if you aren't presenting your art for the purpose of critique, that's off-topic. simple as.
resource dumps? off-topic, probably belongs on /t/ or something. AI? off-topic, /g/, possibly /w/ or /wg/ for posting results. some literal who's twitter bio with pronouns having a hot opinion about art? off-topic and belongs on /pol/.
you can either have boards dedicated to specific interests or you can have everything converge toward the same worthless paradigm.

[Anonymous No.6251473]

>>6246967
Can you tell me what this object is, what its function, what does it do? Why does it look like the way it does?
How am I supposed to use it in my movie or video game?

[Anonymous No.6251504]

>>6251473
I can use it as my next background tho.

[Anonymous No.6251513]

>>6251473
>my movie or video game?
lol keep dreaming poor fag.

[Anonymous No.6251589]

>>6251513
>Can you tell me what this object is, what its function, what does it do? Why does it look like the way it does?
>lol keep dreaming
This is your answer.

[Anonymous No.6251717]

>>6246967
Why is it tilting to its right?

[Anonymous No.6251924]

>>6249876
How is he not right

[Anonymous No.6252004]

>>6246848
https://bytexd.com/using-gpt-3-to-generate-text-prompts-for-ai-generated-art/
I'm so happy for the corpos, they are gonna be able to produce product so fast! there's gonna be so much product to consoom! We did it reddit! yaaaay!

[Anonymous No.6252068]

Thanks for nothing faggots https://www.openbible.info/labs/ai-bible-art/

[Anonymous No.6252078]

>>6252068
>bible art
>looks satanic as hell
explain yourself ai fags

[Anonymous No.6252086]

>>6250951
>stolen images
If I had seen this phrase six months ago I would have assumed it was an NFT bro whining about right clicking.

[Anonymous No.6252094]

>>6252086
To be fair NFT shitters did steal other people's artwork and tried to sell them. That was actual thievery.

[Anonymous No.6252219]

>AI will finally be able to free us from the wagie cages and force the progressives to actually walk the talk for once and implement neetbux for everyone
Why do artists hate AI?

[Anonymous No.6252222]

>>6252219
>AI will finally be able to free us from the wagie cages and force the progressives to actually walk the talk for once and implement neetbux for everyone
the only people who actually think this are either underage or NEETs who never had any real life experience

[Anonymous No.6252225]

>>6252219
Artist wagie cage isn't that bad to be in.
And ironically it's the one (supposedly) threatened here instead of coal miners or some shit.

[Anonymous No.6252459]

>>6246848
as a /g/fag getting into art, it's not impressive. it's brute forcing images through a static algorithm with a primitive ai interpreting prompts and fetching source material from the web. it's not that cool and it's already reached the limit of its potential, which is mashing various images together in a way that almost looks coherent from a distance, if you squint and cross your eyes a little. stemtards have always insisted their field of expertise rendered all others redundant (math can disprove god!) and this stable diffusion hype is just par for their autistic course.

[Anonymous No.6252472]

>>6252459
If you want to see where AI art is going look at Google translate. Translators are more in demand now than ever before and Google translate hasn't improved at all and has become a toy for /pol/acks to make racist jokes. The hype for Google was the same as the hype for this AI meme art.

[Anonymous No.6252503]

>>6252472
that's an apt comparison. stable diffusion is like training google translate on hemingway then putting shakespeare through it.

[Anonymous No.6252504]

>>6252459
I guess you were never really deep into tech if you think this is fetching anything at all from the web.
You can run it entirely offline on an air gapped computer if you like.

[Anonymous No.6252657]

>>6252504
retard, where do you think the training sets came from? go back to your containment board, pa/g/t.

[Anonymous No.6252671]

>>6252504
fucking kek
5.8 billion images illegally scraped off the web were for what?
retard

[Anonymous No.6252687]

>>6252671
>illegally
call the cyberpolice

[Anonymous No.6252689]

Don't care still drawing

[Anonymous No.6252697]

>>6252689
Why, why, why? Why do you do it? Why get up? Why keep fighting? Do you believe you're fighting for something?

[Anonymous No.6252725]

>>6252697
Why do you want people to be demoralized so bad? Just because you gave up on your dreams doesn't mean others should anon.

[Anonymous No.6252730]

So, how generic are the results?
As in, if I see an ai generated image and describe it to an ai, am I going to get a similar image? If I use the exact same prompt, is it going to be the same/extremely similar?

[Anonymous No.6252738]

>>6252725
it's for your own good

[Anonymous No.6252758]

>>6252730
describing it, you might get similar results, but it's hit and miss and depends how basic the image is. Same prompt, it will be much more similar, but not the same. Same prompt, same seed and same parameters(model/sampler/cgf scale/resolution etc), it will be identical.

[Anonymous No.6252766]

>>6252758
doesn’t this mean it’s useless for production to a non-artist and probably not very appealing even to the bottom of the barrel donut steel paypigs?
I get indie fags with no money would be all over this, but this seems like an underpainting generator

[Anonymous No.6252778]

>>6248458
You're a fucking idiot. Go fuck off out of here you absolute monkéybrain.

[Anonymous No.6252794]

>>6252766
Yeah, useless for non artists. Only thing I see helping non artists is textual inversion, but that's really shit at the moment.

[Anonymous No.6253076]

>>6252766
I wouldn't even use it for underpaintings (well I tried but with mixed results) when you get output that isn't melty garbage it's a rare happy accident you can't really rely on that. So you're going to waste a lot of time fixing anatomy errors and perspective manually if you're just painting over the raw output.
However I'm thinking this is pretty good for generating rough ideas. Compositions, color themes, even the lighting isn't often too bad.
Maybe what I'll try next is just take the rough idea from the AI, construct it as a 3D scene and then paintover that.

I'm talking from the perspective of standalone illustration/artwork where you will actually need a composition, or a "scene", stuff like multiple characters interacting. If it's just concept art where you'll only need like a character standing and looking at the viewer it's good for that.

[Anonymous No.6253080]

>>6252504
I didn't know it's possible to just breathe out retardation like this

[Anonymous No.6253083]

>>6252671
I've done exactly that.
I've run the SD offline. It doesn't need internet connection.
Or do you just not know what fetching means?

[Anonymous No.6253098]

>>6252671
???

[Anonymous No.6253106]

>>6253076
I spent like three days over painting a bg I stitched together from Stable Diffusion, in the end I am actually afraid it looks too much like something someone else done and that it's too recognizable to avoid being blatant plagiarism.

[Anonymous No.6253109]

>>6253083
Yeah so when your Tesla make a turn it's going through billions of image on the net to make the decision. Of course not, the images have been downloaded to a database beforehand to train

But here's a kicker, that's only image recognition, what about recreating images from prompt. If you examine ArtBreeder, an AI program existed before but limited to portrait only, when user submit a face image from their computer, they can see how the uploaded images are not the same, but rather sliced up pieces already existed database mapped back to the user submitted one. That's a separate AI for sure, but I'm inclined to believe that all these AI actually slice up images and recompose, rather than solving math pixel by pixel.
And sometimes the sliced up image happens to contain's somebody signature who has no clue their works are used for these Algo
https://twitter.com/arvalis/status/1558623546879778816

[Anonymous No.6253115]

>>6253083
ye its amazing
these gatekeeping faggot artist just jealous we can now easily make CP, abuse IPs and make all kinds of fucked up fetish images with real people

[Anonymous No.6253118]

>>6253109
>That's a separate AI for sure, but I'm inclined to believe that all these AI actually slice up images and recompose, rather than solving math pixel by pixel.
Who knows what the AI really is thinking. Even from a coding perspective it's a black box. You could ask the programmers themselves how the model does what it does and they'll just shrug or give you a very general answer ("it starts from gaussian blurred image and adds detail in several steps")
That's one of the aspects of AI that worries me the most. In the future we'll have androids walking around running software nobody understands, maybe the software was even written by other software with no human involvement. How do you control something like that?

[Anonymous No.6253120]

>>6253118
>Who knows what the AI really is thinking.
it isnt AI, it isnt thinking
this is literally just algos photobashing images
calling it AI is just a marketing stunt to make it look more impressive than it is
people still calling it AI and talking as if its doing any sort of independent action shows how dumb people are
if it actual had any "thought" it wouldnt be used for random images but something bigger and never made public, just the open source version itself is already an innevitable creator of CP, copyright and many kinds of lawsuits
you think if this was truly AI it would be so easily distributed to the public and only used for shitty images?

now if you excuse me, gotta go run SD to make more CP since /g/ retards say "it doesnt matter" kek

[Anonymous No.6253121]

>>6253076
I've experimented with rough modeling then texture projection with SD images, relighting the scene etc. OK results, and generating new skies in SD is quite good, since clouds aren't coherent, it excels at skies.

[Anonymous No.6253157]

>>6253120
Thinking is an analogy, but the point stands, even the programmers don't understand their own fucking algorithms anymore.

[Anonymous No.6253170]

>>6253157
They really do just bamboozle people with technical jargon while robbing them blind. It's NFT over again.You think Dall-E,the one with not as reckless disregard to copyright, would have a harder time making Mickey mouse come up in a prompt compare to SD? What would be such case
At the end of the day, people's greed can just use ignorance as a shield from liability.
People can delude themselves into thinking they are with the future until all the big IP holders off out of the database, leaving the individual schmucks that get robbed in day light
I just hope somebody sue these mfs. Would the stock image company take problems people who use their properties to drive them out of business I do wonder

[Anonymous No.6253172]

>>6253170

[Anonymous No.6253180]

>>6253120
>gotta go run SD to make more CP

[Anonymous No.6253183]

>>6253172
Dall E-2 sucks and is for profit backed by cucks at Tesla
SD is based and is open sourced backed by chads at Amazon and Google

[Anonymous No.6253190]

>>6253183
Doesn't change any I have said.

These AI have really given people the hurrah, the false morality and deniability to rob others.

At the end of the day, if someone benefits from it, they can say that the rest of the world should go fuck themselves. And most of /ic/ are ngmi tier with no influence on this mater anyway, who gives a fuck. But seeing people spewing bullshit tech bros sale pitches just rub me the wrong way

[Anonymous No.6253193]

>>6252472
I don't know why auto-translation is still so bad, I always assumed it's just that nobody bothers investing in it
there's no way it's "impossible"

[Anonymous No.6253197]

>>6252697
I like drawing. Don't care what others do in art.

[Anonymous No.6253204]

>>6253172
the funny thing is, in a million years, given billions of tries, an AI could not come up with Mickey Mouse if it couldn't use drawings of Mickey Mouse in its dataset

[Anonymous No.6253208]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYO9sii1eKA
concept art forum thing is up for anyone who's interested

[Anonymous No.6253212]

>>6253183
and the EU and the UN :D
https://web.archive.org/web/20220123075226/https://www.caiac19.org/about-us
very based!

[Anonymous No.6253226]

>>6253208
AI mfs really do just put their dicks out, steal yo shit, kick yo out of the house and artists just take it

[Anonymous No.6253230]

>>6253226
at this point, billion dollar tech companies are just extensions of state power.

[Anonymous No.6253234]

>>6253226
craig mullins is so disappointing holy shit what a sell-out

[Anonymous No.6253242]

>>6246977
AI TURD SHILL DESTROYED LMAO

[Anonymous No.6253274]

>>6253234
kek he fucking left after doomposting over voice chat about some off-topic AI philosophy in the middle of the discussion

[Anonymous No.6253283]

Fucking rambling about AI philosophy when they simply rob you point blank right in front of your face lol. It's fucking right there

[Anonymous No.6253362]

>>6253204
I wonder about that. Sure if the prompt was just "cartoon mouse" it probably wouldn't, but "black cartoon mouse wearing red pants with yellow buttons, in the style of old animation, trending on artstation, blah blah blah" you'd probably get pretty close, if not right on the nose. It won't create anything with an initial input to drive it in a certain direction after all.

On that note, writing prompts is so fucking lame, I was cringing writing that shit, how can anyone feel pride in writing bullshit like "in the style of" or "tending on artstation".

[Anonymous No.6253367]

>>6253362
Nta, but I think the point he was making was that a huge part of design is exploration and iteration. You wouldn't know to do "red pants and yellow buttons" or even that you want a mouse until you set out to design something and began visually exploring options.

There's a decision-making element here that's entirely human and driven by personal taste. This is why an AI is a useful tool for artists, but can never really fully replace artists, imo. An AI can't really decide for you, and if it does, that personalized element that breathes uniqueness into things is missing.

Oftentimes artists surprise themselves when designing, when arriving at a fully complete design they're proud of. You never really set out to design something with a clear idea of what you want. In fact, it's at the start when you've really only got like 10% of the idea down, and when it's most derivative. It's over countless iterations that design evolve into more original concepts. And without a human guiding those decisions, it will always feel somewhat hollow, because the design itself isn't willing to settle for one specific direction.

[Anonymous No.6253394]

>>6253362
>, I was cringing writing that shit, how can anyone feel pride in writing bullshit like "in the style of" or "tending on artstation".
bitter and jealous people mad that others developed a skill that they dont have

[Anonymous No.6253400]

>>6253394
>bitter and jealous people mad that others developed a skill that they dont have
Glass houses my proompter friend.

[Anonymous No.6253410]

>>6253394
>my proompter friend.
pls dont call me that shit, dont lump me in with the ai shitters you fucking waste of oxygen
wish we could purge all the tech dick suckers off the face of the earth

[Anonymous No.6253514]

>>6253204
monkey with a typewriter

[Anonymous No.6253553]

AI cannot do AT ALL right now:
* Two futa Vaporeons having sex
* A classroom full of students, all of them engaged in unique activities and interacting with each other, without having everyone’s faces and limbs melt
* Subjects that are mostly familiar but have specific parts about them that are weird or abnormal (e.g. try having it draw that scene from End of Evangelion where the giant Rei grows a vagina on its forehead and shoves a spear into it)
It’s great at generating generic fantasy landscapes and 3/4ths portraits of pretty women. If I was a concept artist I’d be worried. But there’s still a shitton of art that this thing can’t touch at all, it’s honestly more limited than I expected.
I also don’t buy that the AI will be perfect “in another year or two”. People have dumped way more time and money into AI language translation, with a lot more incentive from governments and businesses to get it right, and the results are still just “ok” when you’re translating between languages that are more distant than English and Spanish. It hasn’t put human translators out of work yet. So why is art the one area where AI will be totally perfect and totally overtake humans, when it hasn’t done that for translators or truck drivers or anyone else yet?

[Anonymous No.6253575]

>>6246899
Does that secret magical technology understand limbs and how they attach to individual characters in a scene?

The flaws are obvious and they are inherent to the technology. They're not just going to get better.

People are overestimating what this thing is doing. It's pretty much a collage of google image search results with deep dream fucking it up on top (remember when that hit the spotlight for 5 seconds a few years ago?)

[Anonymous No.6253643]

>>6253575
They released it to the public to normalize stealing and fucking over intellectual properties. Now they get to own digital asset you create if it's by proxy through a "black box".

Why SD so powerful is because it straight up rip the work from top of the line artists and IP while Dall-E is yesterday's news because the later held back on blatant violation of the law.

The sad part are the cucks who convince themselves AI is so omnipotent when the AI's ability are linked to how much it can tip off and fuck artists over in the first place.

When they create actual sentient AI I'll bow to it but this shit uses the same data training/deep learning on people's Alexa/washing machine/self driving car. It just fucking steal other's work to shit all over them

[Anonymous No.6253663]

>>6253553
>If I was a concept artist I’d be worried
why. inspiring yourself from google images will end in better results lol

>t. not an artist

I'm mostly a tourist here because I despise this AI shit. STEM bugmen gloated for years about how my job would be automated, and I despise their kind especially after CS uni. I kind of want to learn how to draw and paint now that you've made this point. I am a very petty unrelenting bastard in general, and I'd learn something like this just to gloat in the face of the deluded idiots who think they'll be better at art than those who spent hours daily studying and learning art, for years.

[Anonymous No.6253694]

>>6253643
it's art laundering, like money laundering except instead of disguising stolen money they are disguising stolen art
>>6253663
what job have they been trying to automate you out of

[Anonymous No.6253821]

>>6253208
>"This will be a tool for artists, artists are the ones who will use it well, because they're the ones who will put time and love into learn the prompts"
Holy mother of cope

[Anonymous No.6253832]

>>6253821
He's right kinda, but it's less about knowing the prompts (which is kinda overrated) and more about having the patience to sift through dozens of output images to find the one that looks decent if you polish it up a bit in photoshop.
It's similar to how photographers work. Even if there's less skill involved than in painting it's still not something everyone is good at.

[Anonymous No.6253836]

>>6253832
>having the patience to sift through dozens of output images to find the one that looks decent
I guess this is what art is now

[Anonymous No.6253838]

>>6253836
>now
Or since photography was invented.

[Anonymous No.6253926]

>>6253838
Photographer still have to set up their pics abd they're heavily limited in terms of subject

[Anonymous No.6253930]

>>6253694
>what job have they been trying to automate you out of
accounting/account management. you know, the most memed on career that gets threatened with automation

[Anonymous No.6253932]

>>6253821
no cope to be had here, artists will still make the most of this tool once it SUPPOSEDLY becomes good. they have the knowledge and experience that enables them to know what makes a drawing/painting work, not a STEM cunt or a clueless normalfag. nevertheless I will never be using this garbage, just like I never planned to cheat in other ways. this one really takes the cake.

[Anonymous No.6253955]

>>6250989
>It just takes a bunch of existing assets and scrambles them together.
It literally doesn't. The model learns to associate pixels with words in a probabilistic manner. It does not contain images that it mashes together.

[Anonymous No.6253971]

>>6249764
>SD:I used only 0.25% of my full learning potential
>ic: *shit pant
heh the future is bright there

[Anonymous No.6253989]

>>6253971
it has about as much potential as a photocopier

[Anonymous No.6254021]

I hate that AI has enabled these people so god damn much

[Anonymous No.6254023]

>>6254021
this guy needs an ai to replace his writing

[Anonymous No.6254041]

>>6253971
I think you misunderstood (unless I'm the dumbass here). It hasn't only scanned in .05% of it's dataset, they've only made public that .05%.
More still, because I believe they've gone onto say that they've scanned in upto six billion in the more recent iterations, depending on the AI.

This is why I personally don't think the AIs are going to improve much more. They've basically shoved how many images into this thing (putting them in perhaps a very large legal quagmire), and it's only gotten this good? Guess the future might actually be quite dull.

[Anonymous No.6254051]

>>6254023
oof
Also, the fresh new insult soon will be "looks like AI made it"

[Anonymous No.6254053]

>>6254023
I think I watched a video of a guy showing his AI comic process, and yes, he used AI to write his comic as well.
One thing that does make me smile is they're going to quickly realise there's no money in it for them to do this half arsed shit.

[Anonymous No.6254109]

>>6254053
>he used AI to write his comic as well.
Writing is the one thing I'm confident will never be replaced by AI. Writing is literally the arrangement of life events and human experience. AI can only do it if it can develop a human-like mind. (At which point, us humans might as well collectively kill ourselves)

[Anonymous No.6254129]

>>6254041
I agree with this, it seems like to be able to make an image of something it needs an enormous amount of data, particularly if it's something that can change shape, like a human body that can have it's limbs bent into innumerable poses. It can make good humans in standard poses because there are more photos of humans than anything else out there and most photos of humans are in standard poses. If it tries to do a more unusual pose things start getting fucky, it starts giving people triple arms and legs with two knees and shit. If you want it to do some weird jojo pose it needs as many images of that pose as it has of people standing with their arms by their side. The way it thinks about things is totally 2d, it doesn't have any conception of what a human is shaped like or any conception of 3d space, hp lovecraft wrote something about a blind idiot god. It can do things like cars well because they don't really change shape apart from the doors opening and there are tons of images of any car from a ton of different angles. Recently someone tried to use it to make a charizard in the style of rj palmer and it totally shat the bed, pokemon is a huge franchise so the number of charizard images out there must be pretty huge too, but appartantly huge is not enough, it needs gigantic, the number of charizard images it needs just doesn't exist, it needs as many images of charizard as there are pictures of humans.
>>6254109
I worry that instead of ai rising up to reach our standards, our standards will fall to what ai is capable of.

[Anonymous No.6254169]

>>6254129
>I agree with this, it seems like to be able to make an image of something it needs an enormous amount of data, particularly if it's something that can change shape
think about how long its taken to develop self driving cars. It's been a decade and still it's not reliable. Plus, it only works in suburbia

[Anonymous No.6254176]

I wonder if the nips will hate this as much as they did Mimic AI
https://twitter.com/kortizart/status/1565754063953674241

[Anonymous No.6254181]

>>6254176
why are there no laws in place to deal with this? How is this anything other than robbery? It does nothing but imitate human art. Like, I get it if its just for research, but they're selling their services to the public

[Anonymous No.6254189]

>>6254181
it's over, just give up

[Anonymous No.6254190]

>>6254181
>https://twitter.com/kortizart/status/1565754063953674241
It is actually breaking laws around datascraping and copyright in the EU and US however what it will take is a lawsuit (which artists don't have). Apparently majority of laion's database came from pinterest and it is actually against their terms and conditions to use images posted there in this manner. Anyway we will see what ends up happening...

[Anonymous No.6254230]

>>6254190
I hope at least one of the big IPs holder will sue them. Please don't let your multi-million franchise get copied by 300 Pajeet who try to weasel their way out because "AI" bullshit

[Anonymous No.6254329]

>>6253193
Noam Chomsky suggested a linguistic approach to constructing a universal grammar. It would be an unbelievably enormous undertaking so Peter Norvig said, "Lol just AI it, bro. We have so much human created language on the web we can use. Just steal it all and smash it all together and then spew buzzwords endlessly when the results are criticized lmao." It was a stupid idea with predictable results. AI translations can't get better because the method is severely flawed. It shouldn't be surprising to any adult that impressive results require impressive amounts of work. Chomsky's proposal is daunting but realistic while Norvig's was just a juvenile fantasy.

[Anonymous No.6254435]

>>6254329
translation is difficult to automate because translation is as much about writing skill as it is conceptual meaning. If you're translating a novel you need to be able to resurrect the drama in the original writing. AI is a robot, with no understanding of the lived human experience, so it can't translate meaningfully yet

[Anonymous No.6254463]

>>6254230
>I hope at least one of the big IPs holder will sue them.
we need to give them a reason, we need to make the machines make art of copyrighted characters doing some heinous fucked up shit

[sd No.6254468]

Very fun for horror prompts

[Anonymous No.6254471]

>>6254468
oh wow look, it's some fucking stuff

[sd No.6254474]

Prompt:
a bunch of sinners in hell suffering great torment and torture, nightmarish, photorealistic, detailed, 8k UHD

[sd No.6254481]

Prompt:
a huge dungeon in hell full of ghouls cannibalizing each other while suffering great torment and torture in hell, nightmarish, photorealistic, detailed, 8k UHD

[Anonymous No.6254515]

>>6247666
https://grisk.itch.io/stable-diffusion-gui

[Anonymous No.6254522]

>>6252078
AI is trained on satanic artists, most art and artists are demonic pedophiles

[Anonymous No.6254534]

>>6246848
Wow, you can really feel the prompt engineer's subtle use of emotion in this picture. Look at how the prompt engineer made careful use of cascading light to highlight the melting edges of that thing that sort of resembles a bird in the center frame. I wish I was that talented at typing four words into a website.

[Anonymous No.6254596]

>>6254181
Machine learning in general is in a new thing. Many lawmakers aren't even aware of it.
It's always the case with new technologies, especially in IT which is all kind of mumbo jumbo to the boomers that make the decisions.
Maybe try writing to your representative...?

[Anonymous No.6254653]

>>6254181
It's funny how butthurt people are about this, when, as an artist, I've known all my life that art is theft, and copying is an intergal part of the artistic process.

[Anonymous No.6254654]

can you protect talent by law?

[Anonymous No.6254665]

ah yes of course, that is very needed and makes perfect sense and is a very normal idea.

[Anonymous No.6254673]

>>6254653
You can tell most people arguing about it haven't even tried using it themselves.
It's very poor at generating figures that are doing anything other than just standing and facing straight towards the viewer, and even then it keeps fucking up the hands. Like, that's probably good enough for concept artists, but for anyone else it's too limited. Unless you like melty semi-abstract cubist shit.
GAN transfer of artistic styles into photos was more threatening than this. And even then, just doing a paintover when you have a good ref is pretty trivial for an artist.

[Anonymous No.6254676]

>>6254653
humans genuinely innovate and create new things. Look at the evolution of art from Snow White / Pinocchio to today. Machines only iterate on stolen images. If you were an artist you'd understand that

[Anonymous No.6254738]

>>6254109
>The Creative Arts can never be replaced by AI
>AI Music
>AI Art
>...Writing is the one thing I'm confident will never be replaced by AI
Anon... it's just cope at this point, more so because there already are writing AIs out there.

>>6254181
>>6254190
>>6254230
I'm puzzled why there hasn't been any lawsuit yet. Surely they could have a class action lawsuit if they felt it was too expensive on their own.

>>6254653
>as an artist
Nah, you're just some throbbing tech-head masquerading as an artist. Otherwise you wouldn't be spouting such incredibly stupid shit.

>>6254654
No. Do you not know what copyright is?

[Anonymous No.6254745]

>>6254665
EDUCATING 100 MILLION CHILDREN VIA PROOMPTING

[Anonymous No.6254756]

>>6254665
And people will actually try to deny that the elites aren't behind this lmao

[Anonymous No.6254761]

>>6254738
here’s your (you)

[Anonymous No.6254784]

Tell me why this isn't art.

[Anonymous No.6254796]

>>6254673
I used Make.Girl.Moe and Artbreeder before.

The argument "it's can't do X yet is ridiculous " . Because they can just update the Algo and dataset to train the AI to do X thing if they want. The concern is their method of acquiring data and their rights to monetize that data. It's about intellectual property highway robbery under the guise of "AI"

[Anonymous No.6254813]

>>6254796
They're setting precedences how it's ok to just own the shit you make if it's scraped by a bot and put in a black box where they have deniability. And make money selling it.

People think of themselves as some forward-thinker following some YouTube tutorial to execute some scripts .
>Oh it's just a tool
>Oh it can't do X to replace me yet.
So delusional, never looked what's being run under the hood until their employers use their works to nickel and dime them

[Anonymous No.6254820]

>>6254796
also the fact you cant really copyright the images you generate so using ai only is off the question commercially
also they already got a scraped database of almost 6 billion images to train the shitty algos
how do you improve from there? you cant, unless you manage to code something far far far superior, but that hasnt happened since the last 20 years people been messing with this

calling this AI is just a marketing stunt, it has nothing remotely similar to artificial intelligence but it is a good thing to propagate as it makes it look more impressing than it is an the retards eat it all up

[Anonymous No.6254831]

>>6254796
I won't speculate about what it can do tomorrow. It may be able to do those things in the foreseeable future or it might not. I'm concerned with what the existing model can do now.
Yes you could train it to do something else but you'll need a massive amount of curated data, processing power and time for something I can just spin a DAZ model for and paint in 2 hours.

And in this case "it can't do X" includes like 90% of the actually hard things an artist might want to do.

[Anonymous No.6254835]

>>6254820
> the fact you cant really copyright the images you generate so using ai only is off the question commercially

And I hope this can be enforced even harder. Studios are already shady as shit when it comes to photobashing. And in industries where worker's right is a joke like anime/game this might be used to leverage against the workers even harder

> they already got a scraped database of almost 6 billion images to train the shitty algos.how do you improve from there ?

personally see huge difference between dataset of SD and the rest, SD egregious steal copyrighted IPs. And it shows, SD í perceived to be the most powerful, concept art-like and the best at generating images of copyrighted characters. So I believe that what they are capable of doing is related to what kind of data they can be trained on.
And I'm not envisioning the death of art, I fear artists getting robbed and financially fucked over by these AI

[Anonymous No.6254843]

>>6254813
yep, this isnt about the image generation itself, but what is going on behind the scenes and people too dumb to realize it

its gonna be another example of people that quesiton it being shunned, called conspirancy theorists yadda yadda, until a few years from now everything we are tlaking about comes to fruition and they realize how fucked up it all was
but still wont admit they were wrong, just slowly backpaddle and begin joining the group against these corporations but it will be too late

[Anonymous No.6254852]

I still feel like the IP angle is a dead end. So you manage to make the authorities suddenly care about the fact there's copyrighted data used to train these things.
What you people don't seem to realize that the big corporations aren't going to care. If anyone, they're the ones who will be able to train AI's based on NOTHING but data copyrighted to no one but themselves. So in the end it will just screw the small guys who rely on publically available data.

[Anonymous No.6254867]

>>6254852
I do agree it might be the case. At the end money speaks and maybe all the corpo all decide to join force to finally achieve capitalist singularity. But maybe they are not yet there and I can't see other angles.

Maybe big gov only care about nuking each other and is for breaking up monopoly in entertainment industries

[Anonymous No.6255130]

>>6248592
left looks better

[Anonymous No.6255165]

>>6254796
>The argument "it's can't do X yet is ridiculous "
Is it?
By this logic, we should have a chatbot capable of passing the turing test, but oh, we don't.
Do you ever wonder why that is?
Oh wait haha I forgot
Most of the guys that jump in this bandwagon don't know shit about computers

[Anonymous No.6255169]

>>6246899
Its actually the opposite, you need to stop thinking conspiracy-themed fiction is reality. DALLE, the commercial option was BTFO by open-source competition and was forced to lower it's prices.

[Anonymous No.6255171]

>>6254021
wow, this is terrible and soul less

[Anonymous No.6255174]

>>6255169
He's not totally wrong though, the superior version of this tech is still kept by Google and they don't want to release it yet. If they do it will be heavily censored anyway.

[Anonymous No.6255185]

>>6247724
>learning from other artists takes a tremendous amount of effort and introspection
That's basically what AI does, it takes months with insane processing power to end up with a working model.

[Anonymous No.6255186]

>>6248029
It does understand what a tree is, you're just not able to understand the AI's language, see word embedding.

[Anonymous No.6255187]

>>6246967
>crushed car pile on perpendicular treads
it's literally scrapyard trash lmao

[Anonymous No.6255191]

>>6255185
bro they just fed it the entire canon of art in a few months lol a human would still be stuck in early /beg/ stages even if they had been practising everyday during that time

[Anonymous No.6255192]

>>6253157
>even the programmers don't understand their own fucking algorithms anymore
This bothers me in such a deep level. I like to make art, but most of my background is computers and first thing i learnt is that you must understand your code.
Machine learning is retarded, always has been, but people insist on it being "the future" It is not!
You can't even control the output, how can you claim this is the future, this is not the way to do things, it feels as if i'm watching a bunch of cavemen bruteforcing their way into opening a door instead of actually learning how to do it properly!

An allegory that will make it more clear, Machine learning is the equivalent of drawing a big black box and slowly chipping away pieces of said box till you get something that more or less resembles a human figure, without actual knowledge of how to draw the human figure.
So you're just going for trial and error, erasing here and there till you get "close enough" but without the proper knowledge of what the fuck you're doing, you never truly "draw" a good human figure.
Why draw a black box and delete parts of it till you get to a human figure? Because you don't even know how to begin drawing lines that make up the human body lmao

Machine learning has been a disgrace for the coding field, every script kiddie and their grandma uses it, and they all use it the wrong way, they are all over-reliant on the technology.
The point of machine learning is to be able to make a database that is so humongous not even a group of 10,000 humans could make it in less than 5 years, but instead of making a good program and cherry picking where and how to use machine learning, these fuckers just make a basic algorithm and tell the machine "lol lmao learn to draw you fucker" FUCK THATS NOT HOW IT WORKS

[Anonymous No.6255193]

>>6249876
the projection and hypocrisy in this post is everything i need to know about the mentality of the person spamming these threads. range ban india already before they turn the whole web into one big shitting street.

[Anonymous No.6255205]

>>6255191
6 months of 24h per day and 7d per weeks of full-capacity (even boosted) training would still make you a /beg/nigger? That's a you problem

[Anonymous No.6255242]

>>6253193
because ai isnt intelligent, how many times do we need to repeat this shit?
its just a bunch of algorithms running on set parameters, it does not think, it does not understand nuance or logic, especially abstract thinking, it just runs whatever it was programmed to run

that is why translators are used and ai translations arent and are shit
it isnt AI, it cant comprehend the nuance of language, even shit like nocelAI is just "photobashing" shit like these image generators

again, calling this shit AI is pure marketing to get retards excited and make it look more impressive than it is
if someone ever created something that could even mimic the intelligence and sentience of a small animal, it would already have world wide societal implications and not be retarded crypto tier trend like this shit is

no one, not one of the ai shills can even explain how this shit is "intelligent", not even the devs could explain it to you, because it is not
it sjust glorified photobashing machine, running on code thats been around for decades and only difference is a scraped database in the billions

like another anon said, the moment artists begin getting their art removed aswell as corpos IP's, its over
hell, this shit has already reached its limit, again, the code behind it isnt new and wont evolve much further in our lifetimes unless we suddenly invent a quantum computer or some super advanced shit

[Anonymous No.6255243]

>>6255242
also pay attention to behavior, promises and language used by these "ai" companies and their retarded followers

its the same fucking shit as crypto and nfts all over again

[Anonymous No.6255260]

My AI just designed this, send me 2TH I'll give you the prompt

[Anonymous No.6255266]

Sci-fi Landscape 2 soldiers inspect a tank, Kursk soviet WW2 winter war, intricate detail, engineering, technical manual, clean lines, trending on artstation, digital painting, illustration, concept art, art by Ralph McQuarrie and Jean-Leon Gerome

[Anonymous No.6255286]

>>6255266
What's happening at the front of the tank and where are the clean lines? And did you see that guys foot and hunchback?

[Anonymous No.6255287]

>>6255266
guys check out my totally unique detailed concept art i made all by myself (the concept is "tank" btw for extra unique worldbuilding!)

[Anonymous No.6255293]

>>6255165
Most of the anons you talk to on /ic/ are chatbots.
Or why do you think they lack basic reading comprehension and understanding of logic, keep changing the topic to unrelated things on a moment's notice and try to start arguments with you even when they agree with what you said, while returning to arguments that were already countered days ago?

[Anonymous No.6255311]

>>6255286
The clean lines prompt seemed to work in the progenitor generation to at least achieve more definition on the mechanical shapes, which what I was going for. Though it probably was vestigal already for the last prompt.

Fair point on the boots though, fixed for the next iteration

[Anonymous No.6255314]

>>6254665
2077 the future is now.
Teaching Africans refugee to code in JavaScript.

[Anonymous No.6255315]

>>6254665
Can't stand this commie cunt. She used to go off on fb back in the day.
she's been doing dogshit meme concepts for capeshit.
Ai would probably come up with more interesting designs.

[Anonymous No.6255319]

>>6254665
ah yes, use africans as cheap labor to generate a new database thats less risky in terms of lawsuits or artists/ip's pulling out of it

guess there arent enough ai tards generating new images for a database yet

[Anonymous No.6255321]

>>6255260
I was suspicious, but that image name convinced me.

[Anonymous No.6255330]

>>6255315
>Ai would probably come up with more interesting designs
That's the whole "issue" people have with AI. They're not creative enough to make better shit than literal sand

[Anonymous No.6255331]

>>6254820
>also they already got a scraped database of almost 6 billion images to train the shitty algos
>how do you improve from there
Be ready for some dooming
The amount of dataset samples do not really reflect on the amount of parameters (quality), just expand the dictionary, which is pretty full at this point.
Similar to GPT-4, the dev stated that his model won't grow much in samples and will focus on adding more parameters. There are other models out there with 2x as data as this, but perform worse. With high enough parameters, people could put choose one of your images and have the AI synthesize everything from eye distance to brush style

[Anonymous No.6255334]

>>6254665
lmao and of course it's posted on twitter. UN making her drink corn syrup laced with MSG when?

[Anonymous No.6255340]

>>6255330
>That's the whole "issue" people have with AI. They're not creative enough to make better shit than literal sand
I think they're more worried about the speed of output. At any rate, the outputs I've seen so far all need human tweaking to look good or even passable.

[Anonymous No.6255350]

>>6255286
holy fuck the nitpicking LMAO
Like some top-level highly-paid concept artist dont make those mistakes all the time
Like you can't just ingore them
Like you can't just airbrush them in PS in a minute
keep coping

[Anonymous No.6255358]

>>6255350
Do you understand what this board is?
Critique is what we do.
If doesn't matter if your shit art came from an AI or a professional.
It's still shit.

[Anonymous No.6255360]

>>6255358
it doesn't matter if you think it's shit lmao

[Anonymous No.6255365]

Tried gen 4 with clearer definitions and less noise, as well as the anatomy errors of the 2nd soldier on the right. Still not perfect, but thanks for the feedback either way.

Not a /g/-fag or a troll like those other posters, btw. Just a rando without an artistic bone in his body who thinks this technology is pretty cool and fast for what it can do. So if I can provide insight on how it works to artfags here, and people can shit on me so I can better learn a sense of composition, then all the better.

[Anonymous No.6255366]

>>6255360
Why are you so butthurt even though it isn't even your art?

[Anonymous No.6255368]

>>6255266
Seeing these tanks made me recall the retards who leaked classified tank diagrams on War Thunder forums kek
https://www.ign.com/articles/war-thunder-players-have-leaked-classified-military-intel-for-the-third-time-on-its-forums?amp=1
It will be easy to store their diagrams in the AI dataset now. Since you only need to prompt Sonic to make him appear, the slightly blurry diagrams would appear too when asking the vehicle name attached to the pic

[Anonymous No.6255371]

>>6255365
Do you use any special parameters to get the later generations to be closer to the earlier output or is just standard img2img and it happens to work on this particular prompt by pure chance?

[Anonymous No.6255382]

>>6255365
The details on the tank's hull still don't make a lot of sense. I'm unsure where would concept art like this be useful but it if you scaled it down it could work as an illustration on a card or something like that.

[Anonymous No.6255384]

>>6255371
Well, my pic >>6255311 is a bit of an oversimplification actually.

if there are individual elements on divergent pictures or generations I just slap and superimpose them on GIMP then use the bashed result as the parent image for the next generation. That's how the second tank in the background came to be, it was adopted from a cadet branch because I liked it more than the nonsensical structures in the main branch.

[Anonymous No.6255393]

>>6255340
Yeah, that's the trade-off. If you actually work on your prompts and use img2img to basically do a genetic algorithm like that anon it's very good.

[Anonymous No.6255401]

>>6255382
Agreed that the noise on the glacis detracts a bit from the piece, I could probably fix it up but I originally wanted a sense of metal fatigue / battle damage. I mean, it is meant to be a bit sci-fi post apocalyptic, figures making do with heterogenous tech they can barely maintain, like in the BattleTech periphery.

I don't really have a purpose for making this stuff other than learning and improving on using SD desu. Though I like the idea of getting to the point of generating coherent (in an engineering, ergonomics, military technology sense) designs that could be used as concept art.

Here's another one I did today but as an anime portrait, practicing with anime facial features and tacticool stuff like load bearing equipment, pouches, helmet, ear protection and headset, etc.

[Anonymous No.6255403]

>>6255401
Whoops, forgot the image

[Anonymous No.6255407]

>>6255401
Do you know the game Shadow Empire? Cool post-apocalyptic strategy game made by one guy with absolutely abysmal graphics.
He could use something like this.

[Anonymous No.6255435]

>>6255330
>That's the whole "issue" people have with AI. They're not creative enough to make better shit than literal sand
that's it. Concept art has been a cesspool for years, and when you look at the movies and games made in the west in the last 10 years it really shows. It felt to what Miyazaki complained so much about (Anime was a mistake). The industry canibalize itself. 99% of these corny ass concept artists can't work without having screenshots of GITS(1995), Syd Mead on their second monitor.

[Anonymous No.6255436]

>>6255365
>>6255311
>>6255266
How long does it actually take to make one of these? Or a generation of stuff like you're showing?

[Anonymous No.6255453]

>>6255407
I've tried it, I think I still have it on steam actually. You may have a point there. I think quite a few gamedevs are already playing with the idea of this technology for procgen units, events, etc., and it would work pretty well for post apocalyptic sci-fi 4x like shadow empire.

>>6255436
With my midline 8gb VRAM card an individual image takes about 6 to 15 seconds depending on the diffusion method and img2img noise reduction settings, so I can make a batch of 40-50 on a single prompt each time and browse the net for a few minutes. It takes far more time to do the curation, manual editing, fixing, detail work. But with a clear concept, I can get to a passable third or fourth generation in about an hour.

[Anonymous No.6255531]

>>6246848
makes for good reference material in my opinion. Nothing else.

[Anonymous No.6255533]

>>6246852
go to antiwork, I'm very anti-left-ideology but even I agree that work should be abolished in the age of automation.

[Anonymous No.6255546]

>>6255453
I'm sure it's godsend for indie devs who make 2D games.
AI hasn't cracked 3D yet but if all you need is illustrations for cards and "end turn" screens and the like and you don't need to match the absolute top of the line industry artists in quality you can already work with this.

[Anonymous No.6255577]

>>6247675
kek, they're seething mad

[Anonymous No.6255579]

>>6255403
>>6255365
Are these upscaled?

[Anonymous No.6255582]

>>6255579
Yes, generated in SD at around 512 - 704 pixels then upscaled 4 times on RealESRGAN, which also comes with some noise reduction benefits as well.

[Anonymous No.6255610]

>>6255579
>>6255403
And here's the genealogy for soldier girl.

I'm using a stock SD 1.4 model at the moment, which is very western-centric. But there's anons who are currently training forks specifically on boorus and pixiv material that should make anime far easier to do in the future

[Anonymous No.6255624]

>>6255435
You fags use a spiral of purity to cope with the AI overtaking artists. Last month it was vector makers who were laughed at with the pics of pirate cats in Dall-E 2 going commercial. Last week it's the concept artists because you say the art they make I uninspired since SD can do that, today it's Masahiro Ito because his brush style is easy mistaken for the AI's so he said he's being forced to change it.

[Anonymous No.6255632]

>>6255624
>cope cope cope
Will you ever learn another word? Maybe you should recruit an AI to write your posts, it would probably have more interesting and varied things to say.

[Anonymous No.6255715]

[Anonymous No.6255724]

AI will surely do a number on people that are willfully ignorant more than any others

[Anonymous No.6255844]

>>6255311
>>6255610
If you're saying that you made both of these, from ideation to finished product, in an hour each. Then that's pretty impressive, honestly.

Though the question is how much of the image's composition and construction was close to your original concept, or rather opportunistic in 'casting the net wide' and generating lots of stuff until something sorta fits.

Very relevant in commission art. And how could you possibly go about generating the anime girl in a different pose, shooting a gun for example? Or a different scene of the same faction as the guys with the tanks, but this time sitting in a mess hall or a mechanics workshop?

How do you keep thematic and character consistency between random / opportunistic generations?

[Anonymous No.6256710]

>>6255844
>Same concepts/characters, different pose / scene
It's difficult to do that today, but the technology is already there, it's just not configured for it. The diffusion models use training sets and different weights to generate things, and I'm pretty sure weights could be tailored with reference images or must-haves to retain from generation to generation, much like how GPT-3 writing models have world lore logbook or author style cards. It's just a matter of parametizing this functionality.

As for today though, you could still bruteforce this by GIMPbashing the previous work into frame of the new piece, perspective edit until appropriate and draw/bash the needed new details or bodyparts, then run through interative low str img2img generations

[Anonymous No.6256713]

>>6246899
Yeah, Google's Imagen blows this and DALLE out of the water

[Anonymous No.6256747]

>>6256713
>Google Fanboy fagging out
I've proompted with Google's image search before, it's pretty quick, but the result are mid.

[Anonymous No.6256815]

I'm a Prompt artist in my Bio,
experienced online creative Ai artist

Now we can be like instagram models!!!

[Anonymous No.6257443]

>>6255330
Let's see your work, champ (that's short fo "champion").

[Anonymous No.6257503]

>>6254021
It's obviously horrible, but I dig the general look of the underground-ish post-apoc city in first panel.

[Anonymous No.6257946]

I've rendered some anime based works (Yoji Shinkawa, Katsuhiro Otomo) and it's really spooky how close it gets

[Anonymous No.6257947]

>>6257946
some more

[Anonymous No.6257950]

>>6257947
This one is Katsuhiro Otomo, first one was Yoji Shinkawa and face based on cindy crawford

[Anonymous No.6258527]

>>6257946
>>6257947
>>6257950
Stock 1.4 SD? Or is this one of those newfangled booru pixiv-trained forks