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6229906 No.6229906 [Reply] [Original]

>people migrated to CSP because of Adobe subscription back during its heyday
>CSP is now subscription based like Adobe
So, what's your excuse now for not using Adobe products? There's literally no excuse to not subscribe to Adobe now that CSP is doing the exact same thing. Piracyfags need not reply.

>> No.6229941

>>6229906
I only payed $20 for clip and have been using it for 4 years.

>> No.6229945

I will now return to Adobe Photoshop.

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>>6229906
I'm a zoomzoom that doesn't know how to pirate. Where can I get all the cracked versions of Adobe programs without infecting my computer with super AIDS?

>> No.6229951

>>6229947
but i thought that you shouldnt take away peoples livelihoods???? >>6229872 yikers!

>> No.6229958

>>6229906
>>6229941
>>6229945
>>6229947
>>6229951
Just use KRITA

>> No.6229959

>>6229906
i still do

>> No.6229960

>>6229958
I'm not THAT poor

>> No.6229962

>>6229906
you mean csp for apple or in general? I didn't get any message about it when opening csp or via email or something

>> No.6229965

>>6229947
you run it in a sandboxed vm like qemu also put it through a malware scanner first. i won't be explaining this further, technological ignorance is something to overcome.

the correct answer >>6229958

>> No.6229967

>>6229906
csp is just better for drawing. if you just want to photobash, photoshop is your best choice!

>> No.6229969

>>6229965
you think the luddite knows how to do any of that? lol. maybe even lmao.

>> No.6229976

>>6229906
Are you talking about the optional subscription plan that's $1 a month? If you are, this is massive cope of an adobe fanboy, or is there some news about Clip going subscription model that I haven't heard of?

If so, guess I'll just move to Affinity or something.

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>>6229947
>I'm a zoomzoom that doesn't know how to pirate
god this is why i hate fellow zoomers, have you ever thought about searching it up? it's that simple!!!
download qbittorrent, use 1337x, search for what you want and stop being a fucking retard!

>> No.6229988

>>6229980
that's some karen tier pc skill lmao
real hax0rs write their own software and run it on linux

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>>6229988

>> No.6229996

>>6229976
https://www.clipstudio.net/en/news/202208/22_01/

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>>6229947
You can also "legally" download much earlier versions of adobe programs from their site, as they're no longer maintaining them.

But if you have got some money and looking for a suite of programs that integrate with one another, go affinity, but if you're really just a poor, go with scribe (indesign replacement), krita (raster drawing, photoshop replacement), inkscape (illustrator replacement), and davinci resolve/black magic (premiere and After effects replacement); they don't easily interact with each other like adobe or affinity, but that's the price it it being free.

There you go.

>> No.6230007

>>6229996
It's only a subscription for future updates. If you already own it and don't care about updates, then you don't have to pay any extra.

>> No.6230012

>>6229993
>uptime 24 min
nice larp

>> No.6230016

>>6230007
Massive cope

>> No.6230025

>>6229947
Here you go dumb zoom zoom
https://unblockit.bet/

>> No.6230026

>>6229996
>Will I be able to pay for an upgrade from Version 1.x to Version 2.0?
>No. To update your app to the latest version, please purchase an Update Pass, or purchase the latest one-time purchase version of the app (Version 2.0).

So not a subscription model, they're just releasing a 2.0.
I personally never had an objection to subscriptions anyway, just the trumped up prices of adobe. $1 a month for a good program is good. Do I want the convenience of permanently owning a version? I can buy it. It's still fair to the consumer as far as I'm concerned, unlike with adobe.

Though do correct me if I'm wrong.

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6230033

I guess it's time to go back to the good ol' methods https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I26Ql-uX6AM

>> No.6230041

>>6230026
You are Wrong. You pay for a permanent license every major number version. AND dor updates of that version.

>>6230033

Or just get krita

>> No.6230045

>>6230041
>Or just get krita
It's clunky and doesn't meet my needs.
I'll just keep using the version of CSP I have and not upgrade for some years.

>> No.6230047

>Will I be able to pay for an upgrade from Version 1.x to Version 2.0?
>No. To update your app to the latest version, please purchase an Update Pass, or purchase the latest one-time purchase version of the app (Version 2.0)
Looks like you can still permanently buy the new version, it just wont get updates.

>> No.6230048

>>6230045
Your loss.

Krita FTW

>> No.6230050

>>6230048
Good for you.

>> No.6230053

>>6230041
>You are Wrong. You pay for a permanent license every major number version. AND dor updates of that version.

No, I'm right, that's what I thought was going on. Not super thrilled with the "purchase a full version, and buy a license if you want our small updates" model, but you can still buy full version, things are still reasonably priced, it's all good on my end. It's closer to the original adobe model, but without the horrifically high prices.

That said, I imagine many will move on from Clip for this, many just don't like subscriptions, and there's a great free alternative. Though I always knew something like this would happen; a single purchase for a program that's being constantly updated isn't sustainable.

Anyway, I'll just purchase another copy of CSP at ver 3, it ain't a problem for me.

>> No.6230055

>>6230053
it's perfectly sustainable, companies just sees where the market is going and sees free money

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>>6230053
>I'll just purchase another copy of CSP at ver 3
wait I thought by version 3 it gone full sub

>> No.6230062

>>6230055
>it's perfectly sustainable
To release a single product, only receive one payment for it, and having to perpetually work on it is sustainable?
I don't like companies either anon, but don't let your hate blind you.

>> No.6230067

>>6230062
You mean like they've done for 20 years till they realized they could jew a monthly fee out of customers for no extra effort?
Come on, don't be so gullible.

>> No.6230069

>>6230060
That doesn't talk about perpetual licenses for anything other than ver 1 & 2. You could be right, but it doesn't talk about it at all (unless I'm blind).

>> No.6230071

>>6230053
You do realize they aren't going to stop the major software versions at 3.0 right? It's gonna go for a long ass time (4.0, 5.0, ...) until whenever the hell CSP goes down under, and they're going to sell the retarded major software versions and update passes separately each time. What's so dumb about it is that they've retroactively made shit 10× more confusing for their already retarded userbase

>> No.6230074

>>6230016
Massive seething

>> No.6230077

>>6230067
Yes, as they slowly increased their market share, and their availability, but at a certain point they'll cap and need other ways to continue earning profit; they can't expect people losing their licenses and buying new ones to cover their costs. I think releasing new version is fine.

>>6230071
>You do realize they aren't going to stop the major software versions at 3.0 right?
I mean, that's a reasonable thing to assume since they've declared they'll release a V3. Hell the graph above mentions V4. Guess I'm just part of that retarded userbase anon.

>> No.6230080

>>6230077
new artists are born, new artists needs new art software, celsys sells more copies of their software
it's not about sustainability, it's about profit and even then, they didn't have to announce a subscription model, but they did anyway cause you will own nothing.

>> No.6230090

>>6230080
>but they did anyway cause you will own nothing.
b-b-but the perpetual license version!

Anyway I won't pretend they didn't do this to also make profit, I just think you have to accept that to some extent as they are a business, but I also think they're previous business model wasn't totally sustainable. Who's to say though, neither of us know what their projections were.

>> No.6230091

>>6229958
I am trying it but it is SO buggy

when using linear color space, the artistic and """"advanced"""" color selectors stop working after a few minutes and show grayscale

also it makes me seethe how they put black on the top of the color triangle and white at lower left. typical FOSStard nonsense...

>> No.6230109

fug I just got 2 year license with my wacom tablet but I will be stuck on 1.x, right?

>> No.6230111
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6230111

>>6230062
>is the number one best selling iPad app 4 years running in your path

>> No.6230112

>>6230053
Yes you are wrong. You just moved the goalpoast once I corrected you.

And literally bobody cares yiu like bekbg raped by a suscription

>> No.6230117

>>6230111
it will unironically be over if procreate decides to do sub based shit too

>> No.6230120

>>6230117
Nah, everyone will just move to artstudio pro

>> No.6230124

>>6230111
Does that receive constant updates?

>>6230112
Me:
>Oh they're releasing a V2
You:
>No, wrong, they're releasing a V2

The fuck you on about anon?
And I'll take my raping and like it thank you!

>> No.6230127

>>6230124
Yes

>> No.6230128
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>>6230120
AAAAAAAAAAA I DONT WANT TO KEEP MOVING FROM ONE PROGRAM TO ANOTHER WHEN DOES IT END

>> No.6230129

>>6230127
We'll see how they act once they hit their market cap. I imagine it'll be similar.

>> No.6230134

>>6230129
It's been over a decade and Procreate's popularity and sales are better than they have ever been. If they do ever reach a market cap it won't be for a long time, and clearly shows that selling software for a one time fee and giving long term support is not only viable in 2022, but still lucrative.

>> No.6230137

>>6230128
you should just give up and accept that that's your life now

>> No.6230141
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6230141

>csp
1-2 bucks to use csp
>adobe
24 buck every month to use photoshop.
yep we keep winning cspbros

>> No.6230146

>>6230141
Anon sorry to burst your bubbke but thats only the phone csp version

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>>6230146
are you blind?
1-2 bucks is literally nothing

>> No.6230159

>>6230148
Are you retarded?

Again the one dollar price tag is for the PHONE version. Not dektop.

>> No.6230160

At this point my ass is gonna go back to physical. I'll see you faggots in the paint section.

>> No.6230168

>>6230026
You have to buy 2.0 and can buy a perm version "2.0" if literally any updates happen you have to buy the update pass. If you stop paying the sub you get kicked back down to 2.0.

>> No.6230171

>>6230062
It's perfectly possible because new people continue to buy it.
If needed I'd be okay with selling new releases of full versions whenever massive overhauls are done.

You do not need a monthly sub especially in shit like csp where 99% of patches are just stability issues.
PS and the entire Microsoft suite worked for decades on one time payments and Microsoft still became the most profitable company in the world.

>> No.6230182

>>6230159
Take a look at that anon's image. It clearly says the monthly plan is for WINDOWS/MACOS/CHROMEBOOK iphone/android ipaid/android.
The monthly plan is for pc as well.

>>6230168
Yeah, I can see that. I think the "updates subscription" is cringe, but you can still buy full versions, and the subscriptions are well priced, so I'm not overly fussed. I can see why some are turned off if they're strictly "no subscriptions".

>>6230171
>If needed I'd be okay with selling new releases of full versions whenever massive overhauls are done.
Isn't that what this is? Though with cringe subscription tier attached.

>You do not need a monthly sub especially in shit like csp where 99% of patches are just stability issues.
Do you use CSP? They've been having fairly large feature updates every couple of months for some time now.

That said, Clipstudio was up til now a single purchase, while windows has releases a new version every few years. While new customers will come to CSP, they were also continuously growing in their market as well, but at a certain point, that's going to stop. I just suspect that's caused them issues. No doubt this is a move for profit as well, mind you.

>> No.6230194

still a perpetual license
seems fair to me

>> No.6230223

So you can buy the product as it currently is, for the same price, and it will still work indefinitely. What's the issue here?

>> No.6230227

>>6230060
>If your update pass expires, you can continue to use the app by reinstalling version 1.x
wait, i thought this was a "subscribe for updates, but continue using the last version you paid for" deal
is the update pass literally just the subscription then?
why have two products-- err, services that are the same?
this sounds like the good old "we have a product for that, it's called the xbox 360"

>> No.6230260

>>6230227
Yeah, it seems like they're pushing people to either buy their new product periodically, or pay for their monthly subscription.
Their "update subscription" tier seems a bit garbo.

>> No.6230266

>>6229947
How is this a thing when you guys grew up with the internet at breakneck speeds?

>> No.6230276

>>6230266
they grew up with streamlined interfaces and one button install apps

>> No.6230283

>reading comprehension - the thread
I knew that zoomzooms nowadays would not be able to focus for 10 seconds and actually read the announcement.

>> No.6230289

>>6230266
Distribution has been pretty great lately. Previously people would pirate because they were region locked out of enjoying movies or games for months, but now most things are released simultaneously. Alternatively prices were so sky high, but even Adobe is "affordably" priced because of subscription. On top of this with all the opensource software, and music streaming services, a lot of people may have never needed to pirate in their lives.

>> No.6230324

question will they keeping doing sale ?

>> No.6230366

>>6230223
The issue
>CSP is at v2.7
>buy it, only get 2.1 max
>have to buy update plan to get it to 2.7 (for a year)
>stop paying for update plan, can only use 2.1

>> No.6230373

Adobe survives because companies and schools bulk-buy licenses. They have no problem that a million users pirated their software.
CSP lacks the "muh industry standard" bit, they are attacking ther biggest source of money.

>> No.6230375

never used CSP
never used Adobe
always going to use krita

>> No.6230380

>>6230373
CSP is the industry standard in Japan

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>>6229947
>>6229951
>>6229965
>>6229980
>>6230001
>>6230025
>>6230266
>>6230033
>>6230373

>> No.6230398

>>6229965
antivirus packages have sandboxes built-in hence more advanced viruses try to guess whether they are running in a sandbox or on bare metal.
if they think it's metal they deploy the payload, otherwise they act harmless

you could perpetually run it in a vm and pray emulator has no unpatched vulnerabilities your virus provider is willing/able to exploit

>>6229947
to use your analogy, if you want a free ride you better put on the condom and hope that's enough

>> No.6230411

6230392
>DUDE MALWARE LMAO
kill yourself
not even worth a (You)

>> No.6230417

>>6230392
I genuinely don't think much if any of this is relevant now, in 4 years crypto became a dirty word for everyone except an increasingly insular amount of weirdos with too much sunken costs, and everyone else taking measures against it, taking pitchforks at the mere suspictions there could be miners somewhere.
Besides, it's 21/month instead of 10/month now.

>> No.6230459

>>6230417
I do think the point that "cracking culture" is dead is somewhat accurate though, unfortunately.

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>>6230182

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>>6230141
>>6230148
>>6230182
You guys are really easy to trick. That's marketing.
https://ec.clip-studio.com/en-us/help#plan_list

>> No.6230480

>>6230471
Why are they charging the same price for the ipad version as PC and MAC? That’s criminal.

>> No.6230488

>>6230392
btw, just because it's an official distribution doesn't mean it's not borderline spyware/malware
it's functions (that you pay for) can be switched on and off remotely on a whim (do you feel like a bitch yet?)
big companies have massive legal budgets and aren't exactly known for their ethics

the trend of you owning nothing and leasing everything is ever progressing with corpo-communist alliance against common man
crowdfunding / crowdsourcing Free and Open-Source Software is a chance to avoid cyberpunk dystopian future

>> No.6230492

>>6230471
Anon 25/12 is about 2 bucks a month. Who would be surprised that Ex(pensive) costs more?

Also just quickly, why are the names so dogshit? Why is pro not the pro-version, but ex is. Just call CSP Pro: CSP, and have CSP EX be CSP Pro. FUCK!

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>>6230392
I don't understand if you are trying to warn us about the "real" dangers of piracy or if you are making fun of the people who don't know where to get their stuff.

>> No.6230505

>>6230492
>Anon 25/12 is about 2 bucks a month.
It's okay to make mistakes Anon...
Photoshop is the full version. You have to compare its price with CSP EX, not Pro. If I have to work on comic books and animation I will use EX.
Yes it is cheaper but cheaper doesn't mean affordable for everyone.
>inb4 stop being poor

>> No.6230520

>>6230375
always going to be a /beg/

>> No.6230530

>>6230111
If Procreate didn't have gay shit like brush size being based on percentage instead of pixels I would just stick with my Ipad and never look back

>> No.6230531

>>6230505
Most of those complaining aren't using it as anything other than a drawing program, so they wouldn't lose out on anything.

And as I understand it, the difference between EX and Pro is that EX allows one to work on their comic pages in a more convenient way, and allows greater use of their animation tools.

And if you're complaining about the price, if they've already bought EX, they can continue to use it, if they couldn't afford EX, then this isn't even an issue.

>> No.6230542

>>6229947
you cant
if youre not paying for the product youre the product

>> No.6230566

>>6230542
Even with open source software?

>> No.6230572

>>6229906
I'm just wondering how long it will be before Procreate goes sub, and if it will affect one-time purchasers.

>> No.6230594

>>6229906
>You will be able to use Version 1.x forever provided it works on your device.

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>>6229906
Don't care still gonna use CSP because I'm not some brainlet that actually tried to get a career in art
I work in IT I have fuck you money

>> No.6230657

>>6230566
are you going to check every line of code including the compiler?
https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~rdriley/487/papers/Thompson_1984_ReflectionsonTrustingTrust.pdf

>> No.6230663

>>6229958
I tried it and it felt awful. And I still have whatever version of CSP I'm on and don't have issues with it

>> No.6230667

>>6229906
>he actually pays for adobe products instead of pirating it

>> No.6230670

Soooo no mention of SAI?

>> No.6230684

>>6230670
SAI is awful and only for 14 year old tumblr users

>> No.6230717
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>>6230670
>SAI

>> No.6230742

Blender became what it is today because of generous donations from big corps so they don't have to spend money developing 3D software themselves instead. Can't they do the same with Krita so they no longer have to use PS?

>> No.6230750

>>6229958
i am using it now is it really so bad ? or is this just a meme it werks fine

>> No.6230754

>>6229906
I've always used the uncucked Adobe products (old versions I didn't have to subscribe to) alongside with CSP as an affordable way to cover whatever modern features that might be missing from the former.
Sad to see another company going full retard like this, but that doesn't mean I'm giving Adobe my money. I will just be using CS2 and CSP 1.x until the end of time.

>> No.6230756

>>6230742
3DCG generates far more money than 2D and blender has competent devs so that's not a great comparison.

>> No.6230758

>>6230750
If it works for you then it works for you

>> No.6230779

I have the entire adobe suite from work so I'll just transition to fully using Photoshop. Aren't most csp users hobbyists and literal kids?

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6230799

Reminder:
If you buy SAI v1 (~40$) you will have access to SAI v2, which is already very functional. This is one of the best programs for animu illustrators.
https://www.systemax.jp/en/sai/devdept.html

>> No.6230810

>>6230742
blender has an autistic visionary who made sure money keeps flowing
krita has nothing going on

>> No.6230812

>>6230779
I personally think it's the "better" drawing/painting software, it just runs more smoothly than photoshop. That said, photoshop wasn't made for digital artwork, it was just surprisingly good at it. But photoshop has far better editing features (which causes it's bloat and slowdown) which can come in handy (liquefy for example)

>Aren't most csp users hobbyists and literal kids?
Probably most Photoshop users as well to be honest.

>> No.6230813

>Oh no
>downloads new version for free anyway

>> No.6230821

>>6230497
I am guessing the red underlines are to mock the bootlicking sheep known as Terris.

>> No.6230823

>>6230799
Remimder: Krita exists

>> No.6230828

>>6230812
yeah maybe because Photoshop was also the first program I really learned in depth as a boomer I just feel comfy with it. I still think it's brush system is way better than CSP and if you're working with huge brushes sizes and files Photoshop functions way better, csp tends to chug with large brushes no matter your PC. I still feel bad for people being fucked by csp though. I think most people used it specifically because it didn't have a sub model.

>> No.6230836

Just get a job where your photoshop subscription is paid for by the company, idiots.
If you actually pay adobe your own money for this jalopy piece of shit software you are mentally defective.

>> No.6230849

>>6230823
if krita is so good then why do we keep having to be reminded of its existence

>> No.6230854

>>6230828
you're not wrong. for me csp is incredibly fast and nice with small brushes/file sizes up to a certain point where it just shits the bed and becomes unusable, photoshop feels way more sluggish than it should when working with anything small, but it's not so bad for large projects because the chuggery is the same as always instead of getting significantly worse
still very annoying to see that both art programs i'm willing to use have gone the subscription route. fuckers

>> No.6230863

how is blender for painting
what should I use for compositing or rendering in linear space

>> No.6230865

>>6230849
not enough donations to afford a marketing team

>> No.6230881

>>6230854
>is incredibly fast and nice with small brushes/file sizes up to a certain point where it just shits the bed and becomes unusable
By coincidence, this describes krita as well except that the "certain point" is much much lower.

>> No.6230895

You can still use CSP for a lifetime but you won't get the newest updates.

There's always Firealpaca/Medibang, it's the closest thing to CSP but free.

>> No.6230910

>>6230067
Ultimately, it's the customer's fault. They should have gotten zero sales on their subscription bullshit, and they would have if customers had brains and crunched the long-term expenditure numbers. They'd have dropped it that same day. As always, the public gets what it deserves.

>> No.6230968

Might as well ask here, what's the optimal drawing software for samsung tablets?

>> No.6230977

>>6229906

Well shit. I upgraded to EX not long ago, and I keep reading about how current versions are ''safe''. Can I continue to my current version forever?

>> No.6230978

>>6230977
ye

>> No.6230988

>>6230977
from what i understanded and how the software work it yeah

>> No.6230990

>>6230895

WRONG!
Medibang also uses suscription on mobike...just like csp used too.

Krita is the real chad

>> No.6230997

>>6230968
Unironically krita

Ibis paint if you want something simple

>> No.6231003

>>6230823

remember that they support climate change and some leftists shits.
nice FREE open source

>> No.6231010

>>6230978
>>6230988

Not too bad then, but still pretty shitty from CSP. They'll have to come up with some big features if they want me to subscribe.

>> No.6231021

>>6231010
same even at 5usd per month they need really good update

>> No.6231022

>>6230657
I don't have to because I know some other autist will and scream to the heavens if something's even slightly suspicious

>> No.6231029

>>6230968
Concepts.

CSP and Krita are also decent.

>> No.6231068

>Tltr
Krita.

>> No.6231075

>>6229906
>So, what's your excuse now for not using Adobe products?
I already own CSP?

>> No.6231199

>>6229906
>now that CSP is doing the exact same thing
With adobe if you stop paying for their suite, you lose access until you pirate their shit or start paying again.
With CSP's new shitty model, you'll just be reverted to the launch version of 2.0 (if you bother with their subscription model at all)
Not really the same thing.

>> No.6231206

Adobe has some feature creep that kills it for me, I only use photoshop because it has some tools for my workflow that I'm honestly trying to phase it out but is not like I care much.

Serious, Photoshop could probably be 10% of the size and memory use it is but adobe keeps adding trash and more trash to justify updating and trying to sell the new version. If you can you are better sticking to SAI or Krita. Is to late for me now I think.

>> No.6231210

>>6230968
Infinite painter

>> No.6231217

>>6231206
people don't understand feature bloat is a real thing, and are conditioned to just think more is better. They think having 392 extra features they'll never touch will make them better artists, then are confused when they're still shit despite having emptied their bank accounts on the newest cintiq, intuos, and complete adobe suite.

>> No.6231237

>>6230380
Pretty much all professionals in Japan use photoshop.
Csp is the budget version for hobbies.

Watch any professional artist from Japan and 90% of the time it's photoshop.

>> No.6231242
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6231242

As long as CSP debut keeps working on my shitty ass computer they can charge these subscripcucks whatever they want, I don't care

>> No.6231254

>>6231237
>Watch any professional artist from Japan and 90% of the time it's photoshop.
>MAH PHOTOSHOP
KEK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
https://youtu.be/WC9X6X6Oirk
https://youtu.be/b9Vkcc-z_ic
https://youtu.be/j72qRQHwZew
https://youtu.be/pqNsmmjaNk0

>> No.6231259

>>6231254
it's all the same shit, idk why there's even a war between the two.

>> No.6231263

>>6231254
>90%
>i-if I Cherrypick 4 videos i win!

>> No.6231264

>>6230823
Sai is better than Krita for anime illustrations. Krita is better for painting.

>> No.6231265

>>6231263
>>6231259
Concession Accepted

>> No.6231274

>>6231264
it's
all
the
same
shit

just draw.
People would rather spend 6 months arguing about their favorite brand of pencil than actually using a pencil to draw. It doesn't fucking matter.

>> No.6231283

>>6231274
Stop parroting something you don't understand, please. Having good tools matters. Thinking good tools can replace knowledge is the problem.

>> No.6231297

>>6231283
>Having good tools matters.
SAI, Krita, CSP, Photoshop, they're all good tools. None of these will hamper your drawing.

>> No.6231308

>>6231264

>he doesn’t know it’s the artist skill and not the programs

>> No.6231320

>>6231297
SAI is better for most anons when it comes to line art. Why? Because most of them use graphic tablets with no screen. To correct wobbly lines, SAI's stabilization tools are way better than Krita's.
Even Photoshop needed an external tool (LazyNezumi) for that.
Stop trying to prove that you only need a piece of charcoal and a wall to improve. People have different needs, that's all.

>> No.6231331

>>6231320
No they aren’t. Krita literally has two two modes of line correction. Stop blaming tools for your lack of skill

>> No.6231332

>>6231320
>People think have different needs, but don't actually
ftfy
Which of the 4 programs exactly is a piece of charcoal and a wall? All of them seem pretty extensive, with there being professionals that use any one of them.

This isn't comparing a pencil and paper to charcoal and a wall, it's comparing Palomino, Derwent, Ticonderoga, and Derwent pencils (again, without actually ever using the pencils, because all your time goes into arguing about software instead of using it)

>> No.6231337

>>6231332
>YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT THE ADVANTAGES OR DISADVANTAGES OF DIFFERENT TOOLS! THEY'RE ALL THE SAME
post your work.

>> No.6231341

>>6231337
answer the question.
>Which of the 4 programs exactly is a piece of charcoal and a wall?

>> No.6231344

>>6231341
Post your work so we can see how effective you are at using the "same tool"

>> No.6231352
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>>6231344
>he says while not posting any of his own
You're the one making the claim that the tools are massively different, one being so shit that it's akin to using charcoal on a wall. It would be more meaningful for me to post professional work from artists that use different software than it would be for me to post my own using csp.

>> No.6231357

>>6231352
basically you can't draw for shit. got it.

>> No.6231360
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6231360

console war bros...

>> No.6231364

>>6231357
basically you don't draw at all, got it.

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6231368

>>6231341
He's not the one who said that. I am. But I never said one of these program was this primitive. You are just flaming.


That being said, for those who read this thread, please, just get out of /ic/. Don't let the demoralization get you. Let other people fight over nothing and go improve. Aside from pirated resources, this board has nothing good to offer. No discussions. Only insults and parroted arguments from authority. Have faith in your skills, Anons, and good luck!

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6231372

>>6231003
>they support climate change
kek

>> No.6231421

>>6230977
the sub-only model starts with the next major version, 2.0. CSP 1.x is going to be end of life soon.

>> No.6231460

>>6231003
>support climate change
smth like they support that eath is ball

>> No.6231961

>>6230053
>without the horrifically high prices
Fun fact, Adobe actually has regional pricing in my country, which makes it around 20% cheaper to sub to a Photoshop and Lightroom monthly plan than CSP.

>> No.6231988

>>6231961
except it's a monthly subscription instead of a one time purchase, which current csp is.

>> No.6232136

>>6231961
>Adobe monthly sub cheaper than CSP
Where do you live. I'm from a shithole country and the prices here are still fuck-you high. The monthly sub could be easily 1/4 of what a minimum wagie gets. Truly a clown world.

>> No.6232167

>>6229906
Real talk. How much can i use the v1.0 before it goes unusable and have to succumb to the sub hell? I just purchase at beggining of the year and shit is already messy

>> No.6232190

>>6232167
What?

>> No.6232195

>>6232167
It says in their chart that they'll give stability updates to v1 until 3.0 comes along.

Assuming 3.0 (and so on) also has a perpetual license, it means you never have to subscribe to their service, just buy an occasional release.

and this is assuming version 1 becomes unusable, you may never need to upgrade.

>> No.6232209

> you: getting mad at subscriptions
> me: using the pirated versions for free

>> No.6232330

>>6230373
>they are attacking ther biggest source of money.
One time licenses stop netting profits after a while, unless you were buying the same software over and over again for some reason.

>> No.6232341

>>6232195
Yeah, it's really only a subscription if you want instant access to new FEATURE updates, and they will still be doing essential updates.
The people whining are exaggerating, and I'm personally glad they have a reasonable model of being able to just buy major versions every so often, while using subscription money to likely fund new features.
As long as they don't pull an adobe and try to sue me for staying on version 1 and keep offering one time licenses, I don't see a problem other than I wish this was how it worked on IOS as well.

>> No.6232364

>>6232341
Subscription cuck

>> No.6232379

>>6229958
Krita is shit

>> No.6232398
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6232398

>>6232379

Massive cope Janny

>> No.6232404

>>6229906
>CSP is now subscription based like Adobe
Huh? I bought it for 20 dollars. How are they going charge me monthly now? Is that even legal?

>> No.6232411

I just want a roadmap of the features they plan to roll out. Will 2.0 be the update that ships the GPU rendering and multicore optimizations? Or will it just be a UI overhaul that I dont care about? They better have some damn good updates planned if they want everyone paying for it.

>> No.6232415

>>6232364
I sure do love when I buy a software once and stop getting updates because the company folded.

>> No.6232419

>>6232404
You won't be charged monthly.
You get to have a full version 1 of CSP and only have to pay monthly if you want Version 2 updates as they come out. Or you could wait till version 3 and get all of version 2, and version 1's features.

>> No.6232422

>>6232411
This is the only issue I have is that I understand they need income to pay their employees to make the software better, but I hope at least 70% of these profits are going to optimization.
I would even be happy with a better brush management system because that shit gets messy if you download more than a few brushpacks.

>> No.6232429

>>6232419

Did Celsys ever define what sort of difference can be expected between versions 1.9, 2.X and 3.0?

>> No.6232432

>>6232429
Nope, which is why they're fucking retarded

>> No.6232438

>>6232429
No, they really should have an outline on that and features they plan to expand because dropping news like this without also adding in hype just makes for bad PR.
As seen by every reaction thus far.
All that really matters is that very likely everything that is currently in 1 is all there will be for non subscribers until 3 comes out. Hopefully the turn-over rate is between versions is reasonable or there is a discount for buying upgrades.

>> No.6232511

>>6232438
Their plan is sensible. Artists are just low IQ monkeys who couldn't even make sense of a flowchart

>> No.6232538

>>6229906
>CSP is now subscription based like Adobe
full purchases are still an option though

>> No.6232540

>>6230060
If you buy a 2.0 Perpetual license you don't get any feature updates and if you buy an update pass you get kicked back down to the base version at the end!?
This plan is retarded.

CSP should move to a yearly thing, instead of "V2" it should be CSP 2023 and allow you to buy a full year of updates with a perpetual license.

>> No.6232544

>>6232540
yes, they should also tell you what updates they have planned

>> No.6232564

>>6232540
Or just let you keep the updates your subscription got you. I don't this what the doing is terrible, but just terribly confusing. Someone should get a terrible reprimanding for this, just look at that stupid chart!

>> No.6232568

>>6230849
like the guy who spends 1,400 dollars on a knock-off TV called "samsnug", they feel the need to constantly justify their decision.

>> No.6232569

>>6232540
>>6232564
the problem is that they're already advertising v3 as the better version among the two even when v2 itself has yet to be even released

>> No.6232587

>>6232341
they wrote it very poorly. The whole ordeal could have been handled better

>> No.6232817

>>6229958
when all my fellow japanese mangakas use it, I will too.

>> No.6232834

Anyone else is going to strill use CSP since that's what most mangaka and ero-mangaka use?
I've seen most of them even using old pre-"clip studio" branding versions.

Unless they introduce some game changer manga features I don't see a need to upgrade beyond 1.x

>> No.6232839

>>6229958
Krita is literally ass cancer.

>> No.6232843
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6232843

>>6231254
>they don't know about pixiv sketch live
Everyone uses CSP there, and when it's not CSP, it's SAI.
I haven't seen a single artist use photoshop in there.

>> No.6232847

>>6230041
Krita begs out in droves today.

>> No.6232855
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6232855

Yaaarrr
ALL ABOARD THE PIRATE SHIP

>> No.6232857

I'm just gonna pirate everything and check what feels best. And then keep pirating what feels nice.

>> No.6232862

>>6232843
>they don't know about pixiv sketch live
Huh, I hadn't heard of it either. Looks like it accepts adult material as well (top left), I'm surprised more aren't shilling it compared to Picarto. Is it a Japanese only thing or something?

>> No.6232867

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmEYv9lU2hw

>>6232862
Mostly japanese artists and audience, there are some gaijins from time to time...

>> No.6232868

>>6232862
AFAIK it fucking sucks, it's a strictly LIVE only service, which is perfect for Japs since they hate anyone saving their VODs

>> No.6233026

>>6232438
>All that really matters is that very likely everything that is currently in 1 is all there will be for non subscribers until 3 comes out.
...what? You can buy 2 outright

>> No.6233041

>>6233026
You can buy 2, but it's (supposedly) better to just buy 1, as 1 will receive updates to just before 2, and 2 will not have any updates unless the update subscription is bought. So the theory is it's better to buy 3 to just skip ahead and get all the updates.

Of course if you don't have CSP and want it, it really doesn't matter if you buy now or buy later and get 2, it'll be essentially the same... or get the subscription and get all the updates if that's your thing.

>> No.6233316

>>6232568
Anon Krita is free...

>> No.6233338

>>6230266
Bitcoin boom made people put miners in torrents, TPB is unsafe for years. No wonder people steer away from piracy

>> No.6233372

>>6232843

The only artist I've seen use photoshop is Namaniku ATK.

>> No.6233385

ahem PIRATING IS SO FUCKING EASY

>> No.6233392

First Zbrush who offered 20 years of free upgrades sucks Maxon cock and immediately announces subscription...

Then CLIP Studio who was one of the best one-time purchase games in town sucks SaaS cock because everybody else is doing it...

On top of all this AI art shit...

It's been a tough year for artists who touch a computer...

>> No.6233393

>>6233372
that says more about you than about what artists use.

>> No.6233403

>>6229906
i switched from adobe because its slow and bloated
I payed only 20 dollars for clip studio and I will keep using it for another decade

>> No.6233408

>>6233393

Fair enough since I don't watch streams that often

>> No.6233413

Paint Tool Sai users can't just keep winning like this. it's not even fair at this point to be so based

>> No.6233423

>>6233408
tbf I think it's probably a generational thing too. I think more artists now are using alternatives, while maybe 10-15 years ago, everyone was using photoshop

>> No.6233458

>>6233423

Funny story, apparently Adobe didn't even know artists used Photoshop until like CS3/4.

At least, according to an anecdote from one of the Massive Black guys at a ConceptArt.org workshop in the late 2000s, before Jason Manley did that thing that Jason Manley did...

>> No.6233725

>>6233392
CSP always said it was only a OTP for major versions and now they are going into V2.
I don't get why people thought CSP would just stay upgrading free forever, it's not like clippies net them any money.

>> No.6233807

>>6229906
>subscribe to paid software
He pays to get access to someone's lines of codes. I though 4chan was smarter than pleddit in this matter

>> No.6233822

>>6229947
AdobeZii from Reddit.
Why is no one telling him this???

>> No.6233830

>>6233822
Why you think no one tells anyone on the internet where they sell their drugs? I'm glad you're not in the same private tracker as I am

>> No.6233907

>>6229958
dogshit program kill yourself

>> No.6233931

>>6229906
Anon I use pirated PS, bought Clip Studio, Sai V2 and Procreate. There is no room for foss in my life. Krita can suck my dick. Linux can suck my dick. Blender can suck my dick.

>> No.6234197

>>6233725

Now its not OTP even for major versions. They say right there that if your purchase a perma license of 2.0 you don't get updates to 2.1+

>> No.6234229

>>6234197
v2 is a major version and v3 is a major version subs are for the updates in between, but you can just wait for v3

>> No.6234416

>>6234229
no idea if they would even offer perpetual license for v3 kek

>> No.6234419
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>> No.6234420

>>6234416
that would mean they need to support v2 forever since that's the absolute base version

>> No.6234428

at this point as a tech bro I should just contribute to krita just for out of spite of any software subscription model

currently hoping all software companies adopt subscription model like https://sales.jetbrains.com/hc/en-gb/articles/207240845 where you just keep the previous version permanently if you decide to cancel it

>> No.6234465

>>6234420
or they just tell people to sub or fuck off, like adobe does.

Which, according to what was on the road map is exactly what they're planning.

>> No.6234483

>>6234420
just checked twitter, apparently there'll be perpetual license for each major versions

https://twitter.com/KennecFox/status/1561741938025447426

>> No.6234503

Last major feature that they added was the liquify tool. If they add features of similar usefulness / scale, would you subscribe if the price was right?

>> No.6234568

>>6229958
I could never figure out vector layers in Krita, but yes in Clip Studio.

>> No.6234570

>>6234503
I would pirate it LOL
I'm not paying fot anything new beyond V1.0

>> No.6234584

>>6234570
We aren't welcome here.

>> No.6234926

>>6230001
>You can also "legally" download much earlier versions of adobe programs from their site, as they're no longer maintaining them.
I thought the download link for CS2 was available because of some kind of license server issue, and you still legally needed a license to use it.

>> No.6235000

>>6232843
he said professional artists though, not doujinshi and freelancer artists

>> No.6235007

>>6234503
No. I hope they'll add background saving in 1.x like they originally planned to. Otherwise I'll use a crack.

>> No.6235008

>>6231254
>Yoneyama Mai
she uses PS
>Lack
he also uses it
>Kei Mochizuki
just like Yoneyama, he uses it too

>> No.6235011

>>6231254
>redjuicegraphics
>https://youtu.be/QBY7XxAlFBw
he has PS, so he uses it like Yoneyama and Kei for his professional works

>> No.6235069

>>6235008
>Lack
Actually he uses both, but I usually see him doing most of it in CSP and color editing and touchups in PS

>> No.6235087
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6235087

Does anyonw even know what the new features of CSP would be?

If they add Color Indexing and Aseprite's and NAW magic reference layer (the one that lets you set up an image that looks at the same resolution and quality regardless of actual canvas resolution, ideal for pixwl art), i would GLADY accept, becausw i cant live without the excellent pixel brushes.

>> No.6235091

Meh, don't give a fuck about updates, Nothing's changed.

>> No.6235107

>>6234926
I believe that was the case, but as far as I know, they can't actually check your license because of said server issue.
> you still legally needed a license to use it.
Yes... "legally"...

>> No.6235124

>>6235107
>they can't actually check your license because of said server issue.
No metadata in exported jpgs?

>> No.6235200

>>6235124
>metadata
If you're concerned to that degree, just use one of the opensource/freeware options mentioned, or actually shell out some cash for a program.

>> No.6235319

>>6235124
Unless you make money or get very popular, they probably won't care about that.

>> No.6235362

>>6235069
he draw in PS
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16GWOStMIIU

>> No.6235697

>>6234428
This /thread

>> No.6235715

>>6229906
>people migrated to CSP because of Adobe subscription back during its heyday

People migrated because clip was better for drawing

>> No.6235720

>>6235715
Both

>> No.6235765

>>6235362
>usually
Most of his other videos use CSP.

>> No.6235844
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6235844

>professionals use different tools for different purposes
>/ic/ doesn't understand that and think using one automatically stops you from using another

>> No.6236722

>>6229958
SAI 3 when?

>> No.6236723

>>6233316
nothing is free, krita costs you valuable productivity hours in making it usable and not a piece of shit.

>> No.6236729

>>6235844
Pretty much everyone has their default tools though because its a pain in the ass to switch to 5 different programs just because 1 has slightly better pens than the other.

>> No.6236730

Why aren't more of you trying Rebelle?

>> No.6236853

>>6229906
>what's your excuse now for not using Adobe products?
They're shit. Only indesign hasn't been thoroughly obsoleted, and that only if you're still doing editorial design for printing, if it's just digital there's a million faster and lighter options for that too.

>> No.6236867

>>6230128
>WHEN DOES IT END
When we kill all professional stockholders.
Companies don't demand infinite growth in a finite world, loan sharks do.

>> No.6236871

>>6230160
The loan sharks and their politician puppets will find a way to make you pay monthly fees for your physical supplies eventually.

>> No.6236893

>>6236722
Donate your life savings to the sole japanese dev. He's probably waging as a salaryman some japanese company with a japanese style of work culture

>> No.6236901

>>6235124
>memedata
Open your .jpg in Sketchbook, add a transparent layer and export it again.

>> No.6236911

>>6236729
The default workflow for 99% of pro anime artists is draw in CSP then post-process and filterwhore in PS/AE.
Before CSP/Procreate a lot of western pro illustrators did the same with Corel Painter+AE.

>> No.6236924

>>6236853
Which program obsoletes AE? Genuinely asking. I also think Illustrator's interface and controls are way more intuitive than Inkscape but that's just personal preference.

>> No.6236937

>>6230471
This is bullshit, I paid a little under the price of the CSP pro premium plan and got 8 years of use for up to two devices (computers). It's time to sail the high seas boys, there's no going back.

>> No.6237011

>>6233392
>First Zbrush who offered 20 years of free upgrades sucks Maxon cock and immediately announces subscription...
zbrush had a subscription model for years and they literally said at the time that they would eventually drop extended support for the perpetual license because it wasn't sustainable to give major upgrades for decades on end.

>> No.6237027

>>6230505
EX doesn't even give you any useful features other than multi-page management, which is just a shitty "convenience" over having individual files. Not that it matters anyway since the subscription plans also go on sale as frequently as the perpetual license so you can just buy it for $35 or whatever every year. Oh no, $3 a month, whatever shall I do

>> No.6237028

Which program accurately replicates real watercolors?

>> No.6237048

>>6237028
I only ever used Krita

>> No.6237115

>>6236730
I can't even find the official website of that thing. No wonder no one uses it.

>> No.6237287

>>6237027
>EX doesn't even give you any useful features other than multi-page management
Animation.

>> No.6237295

>>6237287
I wonder if they'll keep the Pro and EX split. It would suck if you go through all the trouble of buying perpetual 2.0 and that update subscription and 2.1 winds up being nothing but EX relevant updates

>> No.6237393

>>6237028
Between ArtRage or Rebelle.

>> No.6237457

>>6237028
Just download Kyle's watercolor brush pack and use it in csp or Photoshop

>> No.6237508

>>6235087
Hello? I kinda ask a question?

>> No.6237607

>>6237508
No, that's part of what annoys people. They have no update map, so no one knows what they'd even be paying the "update pass" for.

>> No.6237748

>>6237607
this
also if the 2.1 take more than two years for exemple it better to buy the perputal license again than the pass

>> No.6237778

>pirate photoshop
>just works
wow that was difficult

>> No.6238075

>>6237778
My photoshop doesn't detect pressure for some reason but I only use it for filters and text anyway
God I wish clip had photoshop's text tool, its version of it fucking sucks

>> No.6238087

>>6236723
Krita always fucks up on my computers. I've tried on mac and windows.
Medibang is decent.

>> No.6238089

Does this include if you already bought CSP previously?

>> No.6238102

>>6229947
American zoomers are an embarrassment how the fuck do you not know how to pirate??? Adobe is really easy since every single non-burger graphic designer pirates their shit just Google it
I remember on tumblr people would upload links for that stuff rip.

>> No.6238108

>>6238102
not sure which is a fake link or not

I'm a millenial and still... ;-;

>> No.6238112

Why are people so upset about this? You can still use CSP if you bought it. You can still buy it outright. You don't have to subscribe.

>> No.6238115

>>6230067
I guess they were testing it out on iOS users because for some reason you had to subscribe instead of buying it.

>> No.6238121

>>6238112
Because they're upset about not getting free updates forever. There are other cheap options. There are great free options. But they want to use professional standard programs without having to pay professional prices (what they really want is to use the same program their favourite artists are using).
I can understand those who hate subscriptions, but that doesn't feel like what the complaints are about to me.

>> No.6238124

>>6238102
>>6238108
It really is sad. I used to think that the younger generation would be even more tech savvy than mine, but they've regressed since everything has been sanitized and neatly packaged into mobile apps. The only things they interact with on a daily basis are TikTok, Twitter, Instagram, Youtube, etc.

Some have never even touched a keyboard and mouse outside of their school.

>> No.6238132

>>6238108
Ok that’s fair, pirating became really annoying the last few years as a lot of people got comfortable with steaming and pirating websites became less reliable.
I’m wondering if it’s possible for scam my software for crypto shit sneaking behind my pc.

>> No.6238138

>>6238121
You can just update to the new program when it comes out. Who seriously even needs the continual updates besides professionals?

>> No.6238142

>>6238138
I don't plan to update until 3.0, and only if I feel it's worth it. Version 1 is working fine for me.

>> No.6238149

>>6238142
Exactly. I upgraded but honestly I have barely touched most of the features that exist within V2 as it is.
I could understand why people would be mad if they were forced to pay for a subscription but that's not what's even happening here.

>> No.6238334

>>6238102
I pirated a lot of software growing up but don't do it anymore because I fear it will either have hidden ransomware or crypto miners and because there's a lot of free and low cost alternatives now.

I remember when Photoshop and paint tool Sai used to be the only decent art programs available. There's way more competition now.

>>6238124
>Some have never even touched a keyboard and mouse outside of their school.

A lot of kids are growing up using Chromebooks at school. If they use iphones/ipads they don't even have the opportunity to pirated software

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>>6238138
>>6238142
>>6238149
Kek Massive cope

>> No.6238371

>>6229996
well that's cunty of them, though expecting a hyped up software to stay 20$ while on sale is naive in today's garbage world

>> No.6238379

It takes a while to get into krita, the first time I tried it, I hated it (was a ps user at the time)
I gave it another chance a few months later and now I've got around 2k hours in it. It's the best out of all the alternatives out there in my opinion and I've tried them all

>> No.6238390

>>6238149
WHAT ARE THE NEW FREATURES?

are they just meme bugfixes and shit, nothing significant?

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>>6229906
Wait you guys aren't poorfags, right?

>> No.6238419

>>6238410
But I am...
>>6237048

>> No.6238421

>>6238410
WE ARE NOT WHALES.

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>>6237028
realistic paint studio is pretty good for it, loaded up one of their examples and blended a bit so you can see what you're getting. In the plus side it only costs 20 bucks but they are very limited when it comes to what you do in this program, it mostly focuses on painting the traditional way and you should see if you can even run it because it's a bit gpu intensive

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Is it true that CSP doesnt have features that Anime Studio had 15 years ago like bones? Enjoy subbing for "updates" I guess.

>> No.6238633

>>6238102
Rent free

>> No.6238690

>>6238410
Poorfags can buy steam games but not art software that will last you until you stop drawing lol.

>> No.6239302

>>6238560
>Anime Studio
Why are you comparing drawing software made for comics to software for animation? Granted CSP is in the early stages of getting animation features, so it's reasonable to say it's animation tools are lacking, but why go to CSP specifically for it's animation capabilities when there are currently much better pieces of software for it?

That said, I think there's a bit of a work around with the bones thing depending on how your layer your animation character.

>> No.6239333

>>6239302
>but why go to CSP specifically for it's animation capabilities when there are currently much better pieces of software for it?

Because they're really expensive.

>> No.6239337

>>6239333
Blender and grease pencil do (2d) animation better than CSP, and you can mix in some 3d if you want as well.

>> No.6239371

>>6239337
I remember looking up bone/puppet 2D animation for blender, and apparently it's also not implemented? Or have they changed that?

>> No.6239380

>>6238434
I hate how normies are fooled by standard digital brushes with a watercolor paper texture overlay. The brushes in "Realistic Paint" Studio aren't better than any other standard digital painting software. The software is literally all smoke and mirrors

>> No.6239382

>>6238142
If they are going to release updates at the same pace they've done so far 3.0 is due in ten years.

>> No.6240509

>>6229906
What are some programs with 16 or higher bit-depth?

>> No.6240825

>>6239337
>grease pencil and blender do better 2d animation
isn't it all like just the same?
you just have a frame and draw it then make a new frame and draw again

>> No.6240829

>>6240825
Blender's grease pencil is vector based and the liquify tool actually works on vectors, unlike CSP.

>> No.6241468

>>6238410
Why are you paying monthly? The yearly plan goes on sale like every other month for 50% off on top of already being discounted compared to monthly