/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.6228496]

Why is the art of technical/construction based artists often so damn bad. Pic related is Erik Olson's art

[Anonymous No.6228498]

perspective has no relation to creativity or art potential

[Anonymous No.6228509]

>OK Erik draw us your best draw on with perfect perspective

[Anonymous No.6228540]

>>6228496
>better than 100% of /ic/
bitchy little nodraw. hidden.

[Anonymous No.6228543]

>>6228540
Mad constructoid kek

[Anonymous No.6228557]

>>6228496
what is the alternative? shapes?

[Anonymous No.6228570]

>>6228557
The non constructoid approach

[Anonymous No.6228572]

>>6228496
>Why is the art of technical/construction based artists often so damn bad
thank god you know nothing about classic art

[Anonymous No.6228575]

>>6228557
it's definitely the easier way to do it, other than just being a reference slave

[Anonymous No.6228577]

>>6228572
>"classic art"
Lol, I bet this had meaning in your head

[Anonymous No.6228579]

>>6228570
what? he used to form abstact shapes, yes, but after that he brushed everything with construction, because construction is not a frame, but a road signs how to make a body, even basic render is a form of construction, and the composition is a construction too, educate yourself

[Anonymous No.6228589]

>>6228577
if we go hard on it it means only greek statues, yes, but i mean from late gothic, reneissanse to the end of golden age of illustration, probably, not that good at late stuff, you can go visit repin,serov and other realists/academists, they are dead-lifters of construction, you are criticizing the lack of creativity and probably looking at expression, which is quite bad

[Anonymous No.6228591]

>>6228496
All it takes to destroy your argument is googling artists like Syd Mead, or even Gary Meyer (another perspective teacher).
Having Perspective knowledge doesn't make you a good artist, simple as. Not knowing perspective, however, definitely will destroy your art.

[Anonymous No.6228594]

>>6228579
Angry constructoid babbling

[Anonymous No.6228595]

>>6228496
Your brain has been so severely damaged by anime coom that you can no longer recognize beauty in other art styles

[Anonymous No.6228596]

>>6228591

[Anonymous No.6228597]

>>6228591
>dead-lifters
this specific image is same as olson, just little more detailed and shiny, but you are right

[Anonymous No.6228600]

>>6228596
oh, my peepee

>>6228594
bilbo bag/gins

[Anonymous No.6228602]

>>6228591
Soulles and sterile

[Anonymous No.6228622]

>>6228509
>>6228496
>>6228591
>>6228596
These give me the ick

[Anonymous No.6228627]

>>6228496
They put all their skillpoints into perspective/anatomy/etc but don't use it to make anything appealing

[Anonymous No.6228644]

>>6228602
really? I think its very immersive if you take it for what it is, same with james gurney's art
>>6228622
is that a good or bad thing?

[Anonymous No.6228676]

>>6228496
>DOOD CONSTRUCTOID XDDDDDD

[Anonymous No.6228761]

Perspective and light (Which is also perspective, since you gotta learn to cast shadows and determine light direction) seem the most important fundamental or the most impactful to learn

[Anonymous No.6228762]

>>6228676
Kim jung gi says he didn't really study perspective or construction until later on in his career

[Anonymous No.6229435]

construction is a retarded crutch for people that can't visualize things in their head.
same with perspective kind of, but on a much lesser scale.

[Anonymous No.6229458]

>>6229435
pyw

[Anonymous No.6229459]

>>6228596
How the fuck would a house like that even work?

[Anonymous No.6229461]

>>6229459
>expecting sense from constructoids
As long as le perspective and autism is in order all other aspects are irrelevant to them

[Anonymous No.6229467]

>>6228496
Generating ideas and organizing them in pleasing ways is a different skill in itself.

Like the inverse of this situation is true, there are Creative Directors with great ideas who can't draw for shit.

[Anonymous No.6229478]

>>6228496
lmao at autists who shill his 200 hour course instead of something useful like robertson's how to draw or marshall's perspective course

[Anonymous No.6229494]

>>6228762
And immediately after he said that he stated it helped him immensely

[Anonymous No.6229518]

>>6229494
Thats because hes shilling his perspective workshop

[Anonymous No.6229520]

>>6229518
cope, artlet

[Anonymous No.6229525]

>>6229520
Posting my work to prove I'm not an artlet.

[Anonymous No.6229539]

>>6229525
other thread already decided this vilpoo painting is good, nice try

[Anonymous No.6229868]

>>6228509
>>6228496
looks like classical fantasy illustration, stuff you'd see in old dungeons and dragons

don't see how its bad

[Anonymous No.6229893]

>>6228543
Pyw

[Anonymous No.6229899]

>>6228591
>>6228596
I'm not saying it's technically bad or anything but at the same time these drawings feel lame af

[Anonymous No.6230019]

>>6229525
Perception drawing has jack shit to do with construction, look at Proko if you don't believe me. The dude is clearly not an artlet, yet when he tried to draw a kangaroo from imagination nothing but a featus came out.
That's what perspective teaches that nothing else can, a simplified method to extract the proportions or ''soul'' of an object so you can commit it to memory easily using primitive forms.

You can come here and shit on your cherry picked artists, while ignoring the fact that 99% of the design/product/animation and concept art industry relies HEAVILY on perspective to make beautiful artwork

>>6229899
Thats probably more to do with the era they are from than anything else, that style was very popular back then

[Anonymous No.6230022]

So Krenz is a constructoid loser by your logic, OP?
Because he has an 8 week Perspective course, and keeps babbling on about it aswell..

[Anonymous No.6230068]

>>6229459
He was a concept artist, not an architect. Syd's Meads drawing are literally the reason stuff like Blade Runner and Mass Effect even exist
If it looks generic, its cause the industry has cannibalized his designs to no end

[Anonymous No.6230101]

>>6228496
This must be one of his early works, probably from the 90s. His technique did improve since then, as shown by other paintings featured on his website:

http://www.erikolsonpaintings.com/

[Anonymous No.6230113]

in a /3/ pipeline dudes like this would be modellers or sculptors whose sole job it is to work within the confines of concept art provided to them. they're at their best when you both guide and place harsh constraints on their creativity.

[Anonymous No.6230151]

>>6228496
I like it. Has that old school everquest larry elmore feel

[Anonymous No.6230154]

>>6230113
They are future proof too, since ''concept art provided to them'' is all that will exist when AI takes over

[Anonymous No.6230169]

>>6230154
technical work like that is safe for awhile at the very highest levels, but there's a lot of money being poured into le metaverse and automatic, production-ready, content generation. the bottom on everything related to creative stuff is going to fall out - visual arts, music, writing etc. the models will get better faster than beginners so most people will just stop trying.

towards the end the only roles left will be very senior people doing QC on automatically generated stuff to make sure it's good. then when the error rate is low enough, those people lose their jobs too.

it's all very grim. but you can take some small comfort in knowing that this will happen to literally all knowledge workers, including the code monkeys.

[Anonymous No.6230173]

>>6230169
jesus, shut the fuck up already with your bleak retarded suffering porn

[Anonymous No.6230176]

>>6230173
good morning, sir. you want $5 for pfp?

[Anonymous No.6230181]

>>6230176
i'm more offended at the bullshit you spouted about music above all else. how deluded are you? just how tiny must your brain be to be impressed by "AI music", which sounds like cheap incoherent ad music

[Anonymous No.6230185]

>>6230181
the next few years are going to be very difficult for you

:^)

[Anonymous No.6230187]

>>6230185
They'll be way worse for you, and the people who have given up out of fear for the future, kek

[Anonymous No.6230188]

>>6228496
Construction is a cope for people who couldn’t pick up drawing intuitively.
The spark for technical ability and visual creativity is one and the same. You can compensate somewhat for being lacking on the technical side, but you can never get the spark if you weren’t born with it.

[Anonymous No.6230190]

>>6230188
Post your work

[Anonymous No.6230195]

>>6230185
you're a retard. you stand no chance. your shitty suffering fetish of an AI cucking the world won't come to fruition, not for music at the very least, not for anything other than mall music at best. my favorite thing about the whole AI music thing is that it's not even making sense with what you're claiming. most musical artists are not composers. you'll still need playing instruments and whatnot, when we're speaking about rock/metal and other genres that use instruments

[Anonymous No.6230199]

>>6230187
i'm already in one of those relatively safe positions, anon. my timescale for the "end" of that scenario is 2ish decades so plenty of time.
i do not fear the future anon. it actually intrigues me. but i'm not going to pretend like it isn't coming.

>>6230195
i like your spirit, anon.

[Anonymous No.6230202]

>>6228496

>mid artist uses art fundamentals
>nodraw begs who refuse to learn or improve instantly mald, seethe, cope, shit, piss and sneed

Many such cases

[Anonymous No.6230205]

idk why people put so much effort into larping as a 3d modelling program

and it seems the people they circlejerk got their clout back when computers were shitty

[Anonymous No.6230206]

>>6230188
Draw us a simple cityscape then, anon

You have an hour

[Anonymous No.6230219]

>>6230199
I don't buy someone that can't even capitalize words is in any significant position of power, kek

[Anonymous No.6230222]

>>6230202
Its not even a joke, the amount of narcissists Ive seen in here crabbing at people learning fundies amazes me everytime

[Anonymous No.6230225]

>>6230205
People with your opinion never have any art skills or good art

[Anonymous No.6230231]

>>6230219
that's because you've spent your life being a pedant instead of getting gud

[Anonymous No.6230234]

>>6230231
Nice projection, post your work and I will too
We'll let the public decide who is best, kek

[Anonymous No.6230236]

>>6230234
most people here have already seen my work
:^)

[Anonymous No.6230242]

>>6230236
Good, then you should have no issues posting it again. :^)

[Anonymous No.6230244]

>>6230242
here u go anon
:^)

[Anonymous No.6230245]

>>6228496
I really liked this until I saw the bottom half of teh unicorn

what's the lore on that

[Anonymous No.6230252]

>>6228496
Before internet not everyone had access to art education, you know

[Anonymous No.6230256]

>>6230244
I doubt you are even capable of drawing stickmen with correct proportions, kek
Please keep your retarded opinions on Perspective to yourself, you eternal crab

[Anonymous No.6230377]

Constructoids fuming itt

[Anonymous No.6230383]

>>6230202
>point out how the work of constructoid artists is often awful
>retards who have been grinding boxes for years get mad
I know it's hard to accept you've been wasting your time

[Anonymous No.6230393]

No rules just tools

[Anonymous No.6230396]

>>6230377
I prefer being called constructicon

[Anonymous No.6230404]

>>6230383
What’s wrong with it?

[Anonymous No.6230407]

>>6230404
Its ugly and soulless

[Anonymous No.6230440]

>>6230407
how?

[Anonymous No.6230634]

>>6230383
Its Ok, its not like you even draw

[Anonymous No.6230668]

>>6230404
Nothing, you are talking to someone that doesn't even do 2D. He thinks 3D will replace all 2D and has been malding for months after getting btfo multiple times

[Anonymous No.6230682]

>>6230668
Holy projection

[Anonymous No.6230700]

>>6230682
Post your work, prove us wrong

[Anonymous No.6230774]

>>6230383
Pyw shitskin