/beg/ & /int/ - Beginner and Intermediate Thread

[Anonymous No.6210040]

Today's /beg/ challenge: Draw a still life containing a pillow and a rock.

Do not use the OP image as your reference; draw a pillow leaning against a rock, or draw a rock sitting on the pillow, or be creative in some way. Remember to vary your line weight to capture the feel of the objects.

If you are a /beg/inner or /int/ermediate in art, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice.
Use this thread instead of making new threads or post in the drawthread with fundamental exercises.

RESIZE YOUR IMAGES TO ~1000 PIXELS using one of the following methods:
1. screenshot the image and post that instead
2. change camera capture settings to something smaller
3. send to computer and resize in MSPaint

READ THE STICKY:

New collaborative sticky (anyone can edit): https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0Q
Old: http://www.squidoo.com/how-to-draw-learn

RECOMMENDED BOOKS FOR BEGINNERS:
- The Art and Science of Drawing
- Perspective Drawing Handbook
- Vilppu Drawing Manual (and literally any other book made by Glenn Vilppu)
- Figure - Design and invention
- Pen and Ink
- The Natural Way To Draw

RECOMMENDED BOOKS FOR INTERMEDIATES:
- How to Draw by Scott Robertson
- How to Render by Scott Robertson
- Color and Light: A Guide for the Realist Painter by James Gurney
- Morpho: Anatomy for Artists (and Literally any other book made by Michel Lauricella)
- Anatomy for Sculptors

TRY TO BE ACTIVE AND GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK.
When giving feedback, avoid vague "advice" - point what's wrong and try to give the anon you're quoting a clear direction to improve their art (study heads < watch THIS VIDEO about head structure, read THIS SECTION of THIS ARTIST'S BOOK, etc).
You, feedback seeking anon, should also try to be clear and concise when asking for critique/help. When posting your artwork, say what you want help with, and what's your goal with the study/artwork.

Previous thread >>6207863

[Anonymous No.6210058]

Take 2

[Anonymous No.6210127]

>>6210040

[Anonymous No.6210140]

>>6210040
The stone and pillow are in the box.

[Anonymous No.6210150]

>>6210058
How can I filter this guy

[Anonymous No.6210175]

Are /ic/ mods really this fucking stupid? How does anyone read that sentence and take it seriously.

[Anonymous No.6210181]

>>6210175
good, crabs deserve it.

[Anonymous No.6210198]

>>6210175
Was that supposed to be your attempt at joking? You're not even remotely funny dude.

[Anonymous No.6210199]

>>6210040
What is the problem here, like what the fuck, i thought the underdrawing was proportional, so i invest like 2 hours in this, zoom out and something is wrong, (besides the hands, i know they are fucked up, not even with reference for them), i dont know what it is, is it the legs? the arms? the head too small? what a kick in the balls, is it fixable?

[Anonymous No.6210206]

>>6210181
>>6210198
lmao you guys are in 4chan and that comment by the anon was the most mild shit ever
and again, more reasons to think the tranny invasion has affected jannies aswell

[Anonymous No.6210208]

>>6210206
umad bro?
lmao

[Anonymous No.6210223]

>>6210199
What is the pose supposed to be anyway? Looks like she's falling while in a sitting position

[Anonymous No.6210229]

>>6210206
it's over bro... /ic/ is kill

[Anonymous No.6210237]

>>6210206
pls don't hurt anons feelings ok this is a safe drawing space

[Anonymous No.6210254]

>>6210223
flying

[Anonymous No.6210390]

>>6210199
I tried.
Head a little smaller legs alot smaller and stretched out a bit and her right arm smaller.
No worries dude getting proportions right is a bitch you'll get there
I like the drawing in general keep at it.

[Anonymous No.6210391]

funny bayo

[Anonymous No.6210448]

I know the eyes are fucked up, but I'm happy with this. I made it look 3D and finally know what Proko meant by darker is better. Darker shades simply make it look more 3D, god artists suck at teaching and getting to the point I swear.

[Anonymous No.6210454]

>>6210448
But that looks grey as fuck

[Anonymous No.6210457]

>>6210454
I used a 5B pencil, doesn't get any darker than that. And I'm not gonna use charcoal.

[Anonymous No.6210462]

>>6210457
Well, sucks to be you then

[Anonymous No.6210468]

>>6210462
Too dark looks like garbage. I don't want to draw a black blotch. 4-5B is perfect.
I have newsprint and charcoal but it's too expensive to use for practice anyway.

[Anonymous No.6210474]

>>6210468
>Too dark looks like garbage. I don't want to draw a black blotch. 4-5B is perfect.
I know you want to draw a grey blotch

[Anonymous No.6210491]

Reposting. Asking for input regarding: How to make less loose shapes and tiddying up painting tips.

[Anonymous No.6210495]

>>6210491
When it comes to painting, loose strokes are desirable. It's all about giving the illusion of detail.
If you are going for photorealism for whatever reason, just copy every detail like a printer

[Anonymous No.6210496]

Here's THE rock on a pillow. Unfortunately The rock is too big for the pillow.

[Anonymous No.6210500]

>>6210496
you turned him into an ugly bastard

[Anonymous No.6210502]

>>6210491
its strange, you want a painterly look but you added noise and chromatic aberration

[Anonymous No.6210504]

>>6210496
Why do you sign and date your sketches

[Anonymous No.6210509]

>>6210504
So that when I see them in the future I can know the date but the signing is entirely unnecessary I do it just because.

[Anonymous No.6210511]

>>6210058
fixed ya

[Anonymous No.6210512]

draw this in your style

[Anonymous No.6210513]

>>6210448
Use a reference next time.

[Anonymous No.6210517]

>>6210509
I feel ashamed to sign my work. I only do it when somebody asks me to.

Dating is a good habit though.

[Anonymous No.6210522]

>>6210513
I used a reference.
I know why and how I fucked up. I got confused while measuring the eyes because of her eyelash extensions. Also I didn't place the eyes close enough to the alignment of the nostrils, I took extra caution but apparently it was enough. Placement seems to be a matter of quadruple-checking instead of double checking.

[Anonymous No.6210532]

>>6210522
Likeness aside, the values are wrong m8 time to use the charcoal...

[Anonymous No.6210533]

>>6210522
My construction btw

[Anonymous No.6210534]

[Anonymous No.6210546]

>>6210517
I get that, whenever we see someone sign their work its usually someone who is good or great at their work.

[Anonymous No.6210548]

>>6210534
unlickable toes needs improvement sir
>>6210533
drawing like robot lines not smart esdeath friend
>>6210511
small hand bad for grabbing things stupid

[Anonymous No.6210551]

>>6210512
do not steal ok

[Anonymous No.6210554]

>>6210548
It's kinda rushed because I have some things to do, not my best toes I will admit.

[Anonymous No.6210555]

>>6210551
better than anything that the local schizo shits out on a daily basis

[Anonymous No.6210561]

>>6210548
>drawing like robot lines not smart esdeath friend
Do you mean I draw like a robot or the construction looks like a robot? I don't like drawing like a robot either. I am much better at drawing when I'm free-handing it with minimum construction, as you might know.
Learning construction is like learning from baby steps all over again, a separate skill from actual drawing. I'm only doing this so that I can get Huston out of the way.

[Anonymous No.6210572]

>>6210561
why do you always end up posting the exact same picture to "disprove" any and all critiques? because if you think it works, i got some bad news for you

[Anonymous No.6210577]

>>6210561
>>6210572

Quick rundown on this autist?

[Anonymous No.6210579]

>>6210572
I'm just saying that robotic step-by-step construction is not a reflection of my drawing skill, creativity or taste. It's just a step-by-step procedure like cooking, where I have to rediscover extra steps which I skipped or forgot as I learn it. I find it boring and soulless, but learning to shade is fun and it won't hurt to learn to copy faces.
This for example I didn't measure and it looks perfect. I have other examples but I'm just posting my latest.

[Anonymous No.6210592]

>>6210577
He's been a /beg/ for years, blames everyone else including well-established instructors and authors for his failure to progress, obsesses over the anime character Esdeath (so he's called esdeathfag or esdeathschizo most of the time), has serious problems with symbol drawing and bad proportions when drawing from reference even though he just draws faces (for a while he was drawing and posting portraits from THE SAME PHOTO several times a day, every day, and every single time he'd put all the facial features (which weren't even close to the same shape as the reference's, just basic symbols; you can still see this eg in the mouth in >>6210448 >>6210522) in different spots because he has terrible spatial intelligence and doesn't measure to make up for it), and any time he's given advice he either gets hostile with the person giving him advice or, if approached in as friendly a manner as possible, actively (almost aggressively) misinterprets the advice, and if you finally get through to him or he manages to pick up half of an idea from a book, he just forgets everything by the next day and continues stagnating. Do not waste your time with him.

[Anonymous No.6210594]

>>6210040
>a pillow and a rock
What the fuck is with these retarded OP pics? It's like a bot is making these threads.

[Anonymous No.6210600]

>>6210040
45 min from life, bad call to do it as the sun sets, lighting changed a lot during so I did my best. Fun exercise OP!

[Anonymous No.6210609]

>>6210600
Looks great, even the turd on the pillow emanates comfyness

[Anonymous No.6210611]

>>6210600
Your rock looks like a block of shit dude...

[Anonymous No.6210617]

>>6210579
>This for example I didn't measure and it looks perfect
there exists a lot of different headshapes, but c'mon, anon. you can't actually believe this.

[Anonymous No.6210624]

>>6210609
Thanks anon, it does look like a turd, at least it’s comfy

>>6210611
yeah

Picrel: the rock, volcanic rock that didn’t make the cut for the aquarium, distinctively turd like

[Anonymous No.6210626]

I thought it will be fun to challenge myself but skin mixing was pure suffering AIEEEEEE

[Anonymous No.6210642]

>>6210624
nice turd bro i'm mirin'

[Anonymous No.6210672]

>>6210199
Don’t draw so zoomed in and focused. It’s also a good idea to constantly have a thumbnail window so you can quick check as you’re doing details.

[Anonymous No.6210680]

>>6210491
The minor value errors are what really fuck this piece up. Tidying a painting is editing. Pick your focus and level of detail and use the 80/20 rule. If you do choose to go to 100% photorealism each detail, make sure you pay attention to the fundamentals of composition to keep your piece cohesive.

[Anonymous No.6210684]

we're all gonna make it bros

[Anonymous No.6210689]

>>6210626
the more you do it the better youll get at it since you already got the basics of color mixing down its all about mileage from here
keep going anon

[Anonymous No.6210691]

>>6210199
just draw everything zoomed out

[Anonymous No.6210698]

>>6210454
>>6210462
pyw bet you dont even draw

>>6210448
>>6210457
are you using printer paper? graphite is already pretty bright especially taking a photo but 5B shouldnt be so grey
either you need to use paper with more grain to get more graphite stuck on the page or you are pressing too lightly
in any case pencil rendering will be better on rougher paper, no need to use anything fancy just the typical proper sketchbook paper is enough otherwise you will have a harder time getting a good hold of the nuances of rendering since smooth paper will just work against you

[Anonymous No.6210710]

>>6210698
trying to help him is useless, because anything he does wrong is someone elses fault or on "purpose"

[Anonymous No.6210723]

>>6210448
>>6210522
>>6210533
If you aren't willing to spend more than 1 hour on a portrait you aren't going to make it.
Also, you aren't measuring at all.

Stop acting like you are good at drawing already.

[Anonymous No.6210729]

>>6210684
Everyone who just keeps drawing has already made it. Being good at drawing does not make you more of an artist than being bad at drawing. Artistry lies in the act of creation, not in having created.

[Anonymous No.6210734]

>>6210698
I use a tissue to smudge.
I have newsprint, should I use pencil on that?

[Anonymous No.6210769]

>>6210491
>How to make less loose shapes and tiddying up painting tips.
you already know the answer to this, just render out the scribblles to make it a smooth block of value/color trying to keep the hard/soft edges in check
like all the scribbles o the clothes can just be rendered into solid value/color shapes same with the hair and the face is only hard edges can smooth it out a bit on the shadows

also make the reference greyscale and compare your values, and fix accordingly

picrel i smoothed out a few of the scribbles are extra hard edges you had, it isnt a complete overpaint just little areas to give an example

[Anonymous No.6210772]

>>6210734
>drawing on newsprint

Why?

[Anonymous No.6210774]

>>6210734
newsprinnt too smooth for graphite but it is cheap i think? so not bad for pure practice
desu i wouldnt use any smudging and just hatch and crosshatch in the tone only smoothing a few of the edges that should be soft

[Anonymous No.6210777]

>>6210512
Im actually quite satisfied with the result, this exercise motivated me to draw more clothed human and different kinds of shape for the face
Would love advice on anything though

[Anonymous No.6210786]

>>6210774
Newsprint is very rough I think. >>6210448 was done on printer paper. Newsprint was very expensive and I bought it specifically for charcoal drawings, but found that charcoal is way too dark (pitch black, pic related).

>>6210772
For charcoal use. Advantage is that the paper is huge, 3x A4 size. Disadvantage is that it's too big for my table. Also expensive as fuck.

[Anonymous No.6210789]

>>6210040
hand practice

[Anonymous No.6210790]

>>6210786
forgot pic

[Anonymous No.6210798]

>>6210790
yes, the charcoal being too dark is clearly the problem here. how you keep finding these absurd excuses is almost impressive

[Anonymous No.6210801]

>>6210522
I WANT A HOT GF SOOOOOO BAD

[Anonymous No.6210808]

>>6210801
You don't. Good looking bitches are fucked up. Bottle up that coom inside and use it as motivation for drawing gains.

[Anonymous No.6210812]

>>6210789
i like it a lot. gmi

[Anonymous No.6210821]

rendering baacc

[Anonymous No.6210827]

>>6210790
Hi. This whole piece is clearly symbol drawn. I recommend reading keys to drawing

[Anonymous No.6210836]

not touching this again I swear to god this is the last edit

thanks for the the layer advice of the last thread

[Anonymous No.6210837]

>>6210821
das a penis

[Anonymous No.6210860]

>>6210040

[Anonymous No.6210867]

I would never have a courage to show my mom a fucking anime girl with boobs in a tank top drawn by me

[Anonymous No.6210868]

>>6210867
same even if it looked pro

[Anonymous No.6210871]

>>6210867
>>6210868
make the drawing look like your mom. i bet she'll be proud. picrel, shadman made a picture of his mom

[Anonymous No.6210874]

[Anonymous No.6210878]

>>6210871
Disgusting

[Anonymous No.6210900]

>>6210871
>shadman
isn't he in prison or something

[Anonymous No.6210919]

>>6210874
V good

[Anonymous No.6210933]

SHOW ME WHAT YOU'RE DRAWING RIGHT NOW
NOW!

[Anonymous No.6210936]

>>6210919
Thanks

[Anonymous No.6210941]

>>6210933

[Anonymous No.6210944]

Am I /beg/ or /int/? Where should i focus on my improvement?

[Anonymous No.6210946]

>>6210900
No, that's chrischan you're thinking of

[Anonymous No.6210957]

>>6210944
Disgusting is what you are. The coomers and pornographers will face a lake of fire on the return of Christ.

[Anonymous No.6210960]

I finally understood what I was doing wrong. I forgot to measure by extending my arm out as far as possible because it's been so long since I last drew. So I was measuring disproportionately all over the place. No wonder everything was wrong.
Huston didn't teach me this, had to figure it out myself.

[Anonymous No.6210961]

>>6210960
It's very symbol drawn, I recommend keys to drawing. Don't worry about proportions if you are still symbol drawing

[Anonymous No.6210963]

>>6210944
come on son no need to flex on beginners

[Anonymous No.6210965]

>>6210960
Work on your values. Try using only 2 or 3 at first until you get a better understanding of how they create depth and form.

[Anonymous No.6210966]

>>6210961
No it's not. I did the eye wrapping and reference checking.

[Anonymous No.6210967]

>>6210965
I am using 2H and 5B.

[Anonymous No.6210975]

>>6210967
And? Your values are still bad. Faces and humans in general are hard. Try working on some simpler subjects to gain a better understanding, or find a 3d model of picrel and practice with that.

[Anonymous No.6210977]

>>6210975
Forgot pic

[Anonymous No.6210978]

What body part do you guys have the most difficulty drawing? I'm having a bitch of a time with arms. It's so easy to make them too long, too short, unequal in length, awkward posing, get the proportions wrong, get the perspective wrong, etc.

[Anonymous No.6210981]

>>6210977
Does this come with a guide on the individual anatomical features? Or is grinding this head somehow supposed to help?

[Anonymous No.6210983]

>>6210978
PENIS

[Anonymous No.6210985]

>>6210594
Pretty sure it's because they require distinctly different kinds of shading. Pillows are soft edges with parallel wrinkles, rocks are hard edges with crazing.

>>6210978
Shoulders were the hardest for me for the longest time.

[Anonymous No.6210987]

Down-up full body perspective is really hard to pull it off, I hope I did okay.

[Anonymous No.6210988]

>>6210981
>individual anatomical features
This isn't something you should be worrying about at the moment.
>>6210981
>Or is grinding this head somehow supposed to help?
If you can't see the point of understanding how shadows fall on a face and how values effect the depth and form of a head (and everything else) I'm not sure what to say. Just do whatever, man. If you're not interested in any critique or suggestions on how to improve, I'm not sure why you're posting in a /beg/ thread.

[Anonymous No.6210989]

>>6210723
How do you measure

[Anonymous No.6210999]

>>6210988
I'm in the beg thread for helpful advice. But switching courses, investing time in grinding is a lot of effort and if I'm going to invest my time in it I would like to understand what exactly I will gain from it first.
I am skeptical of the Asaro head. First of all, this guy said it was useless https://youtu.be/FH9rSm_QD2Y?t=607 (timestamp included)
Second of all, understanding values and where light reflects across the face is definitely helpful. But the Asaro head does not look human. For example, his forehead is bulging out and there is a shadow between the eyebrows. I do not see this shadow on my reference.
Finally, why should I stop drawing normal faces? I'm progressing at a fine rate. The type of advice I am after is tips, techniques, etc. such as extending your arm when you measure. If I knew that I wouldn't have wasted time measuring incorrectly. I take all advice seriously, but I can't just drop the current course every time someone recommends a new course. I have to finish my current course first. So no, I'm not doing KtD until I finish Huston.

[Anonymous No.6211001]

>>6210987
I don't think the perspective looks right but the design of the piece looks pretty cool

don't use those edges on the highlights though

[Anonymous No.6211010]

>>6210999
Ok. But I mean, holding your arm straight while measuring is pretty obvious despite not being mentioned. I would think you'd notice your arm constantly changing position each time you measure pretty fast. Either way, I think I'm getting why everyone else ignores you.

[Anonymous No.6211014]

>>6211010
It's been six months since I last drew, so I forgot how to measure properly. Simple mistake really. Not sure why you're crabbing.

[Anonymous No.6211016]

>>6211001
What edges?

[Anonymous No.6211017]

Somehow perspective and proportions all go out of the window when drawing portraits. It's not clicking for me. I can do a decent job when it comes to perspective otherwise organic forms fuck me up. I really need to get over this hump.

[Anonymous No.6211023]

How can I get the Ki attack to push Kefla back like in the drawing on the right? just shadows or ruin it from the construction of the body?

[Anonymous No.6211027]

>>6211023
Not a regular but, maybe change the perspective of the head to look down a bit more?

[Anonymous No.6211028]

>>6210769
Looks weird anon. Like it has lost it'sappeal.

[Anonymous No.6211033]

>>6211023
Maybe you can try slightly exaggerating the foreshortening on the body parts that are not being hit. That way it'll feel like her hands and legs are stretching towards us, while the body is being blasted backwards. This is above my level, so I can't really help you with redlining or anything.

[Anonymous No.6211038]

>>6210960
Holy shit. I just overlayed it and the proportions were a perfect bullseye. I got it right on my first shot. I'm so happy.
I'm thinking of moving forward in the Huston course from frontal faces to tilted faces now, but what could I have done to make it more like the ref? I might give it one more go.

[Anonymous No.6211042]

>>6210513
You don't need a reference to be an artist

[Anonymous No.6211049]

>>6211027
I've tried but I just don't know how to do it, or maybe I didn't try hard enough, I don't know
>>6211033
you mean to enlarge the hands right? I had done it in the construction but I suppose that when drawing the hands I forget it, I will try it

[Anonymous No.6211058]

>>6210961
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting

[Anonymous No.6211064]

Hello BEGs, lets now do different book! So far my first impression is that this book is taking very scientific approach to drawing and its skill curve is way easier to climb than the keys to drawing. But as drawback it has 99999 words so if you have ADHD there is ZERO chance this book will teach you how to draw.

BTW whats up with this? >>6208838

>>6211038
Thumbs up
>>6210987
I like it overall, also that pussy bulge
>>6210978
Hands, Face (especially nose nostrils and lips), feet. Boss fight difficulty: foliage
>>6210965
Before you tell to tradfags that their tones suck remember its most likely not scanned aka there is high chance the camera ate some tones while trying to white balance the photo. Cameras HATE full whites and full blacks
>>6210944
Nobody ever told me what is the border between beg and int but you lack shadows anon
>>6210626
i kneel, it looks like the old paintings you can sometimes see in bazaars

[Anonymous No.6211075]

>>6211064
>pussy bulge

Bro…

[Anonymous No.6211079]

>>6211064
>I like it overall, also that pussy bulge
Anon I...

[Anonymous No.6211082]

>>6211064
If anyones ever gonna make it here, it'll be you. You dedication to pratice and improving your craft is impressive as always.

[Anonymous No.6211083]

>>6211064
the sticky says to ignore the pseud shit in the book and to just focus on the exercises

[Anonymous No.6211085]

>>6211064
Almost all the "scientific" shit is shit that's been conclusively debunked, and almost all the 99999 words are "scientific" shit.

[Royce the Arctic Fox No.6211089]

I need your feedback guys, I tried something a bit out of my league on a drawpile. more or less wreckless after taking some notes from a artist who draws without lines. How did it turn out? what is the strongest and weakest points?

[Royce the Arctic Fox No.6211090]

>>6211089
aaaaagh....wrong file!

[Anonymous No.6211093]

I haven't finished a drawing in quite a while, so I hope this looks okay

[Anonymous No.6211094]

haha I did a cool space fighter today

[Anonymous No.6211100]

>>6210960
Esdeath autist is it you?

[Anonymous No.6211112]

Have a moment to post, not great but enjoyable.

[Anonymous No.6211116]

>>6211112
Kirito and Asuna? Nice.

[Anonymous No.6211120]

>>6210491
>>6210496
>>6210448
>>6210391
>>6210390
>>6210533
>>6210561
>>6210561
>>6210579
>>6210626
>>6210769
>>6210790
>>6210836
>>6210821
>>6210871
>>6210874
>>6210960
>>6210999
>>6211038
>>6211064
>>6211089
>>6211112
you guys need to stop symbol drawing like fr idk how else to say it pls stop

[Anonymous No.6211121]

>>6211120

[Anonymous No.6211124]

>>6211120
Is this symbol drawing? Also, how does her right leg actually work?

[Anonymous No.6211126]

>>6211121
ye but you are probably symbol drawing as we speak(jk i know you dont draw)

[Anonymous No.6211128]

>>6211124
no this is peak abstraction

[Anonymous No.6211130]

>>6211124
Don't reply to the retard, just ignore him.

[Anonymous No.6211134]

>>6211120
why are you mad people are saying your work is symbol drawn? It literally is. Stop coping, be humble, and accept it

[Anonymous No.6211138]

>>6211116
Had to google those characters and apparently they are from an LN made after 2000s which does not interest me.
Do not see any relation, but cool.

[Anonymous No.6211139]

>>6211134
pyw or you are fake and gay and fell off

[Anonymous No.6211143]

>>6211130
Okay so he's just a larping faggot then but, someone redline her leg. I'm too retarded.

[Anonymous No.6211147]

>>6211112
Why’d you draw on wet construction paper lmao

[Anonymous No.6211151]

>>6211147
That's his bodily excretions tainting the paper nigga.

[Anonymous No.6211154]

>>6211143
no im not a larping faggot but the anatomy of the leg is wrong bitch ass, not gonna redline it for you

[Anonymous No.6211159]

>>6211147
It´s dry now, but I was nervous while doing the whole thing. with foresight, should have waited a few minutes.
paper is just anything on hand because why not?

[Anonymous No.6211160]

>>6211154
pyw if you are not larping. You probably are.

[Anonymous No.6211162]

>>6210548
I think the toes are pretty good considering 90% of other artists never learn how to draw feet

[Anonymous No.6211178]

I kind of regret drawing the black pock marks. They turned out very ugly and distracting. I'm not sure how to do highlights, I tried just shading everything and then erasing, but it doesn't show up well against the light parts so I drew outlines around them a bit.

[Anonymous No.6211183]

>>6211178
I bet you also regret the pock marks on your face lmao they’re ugly and distracting too lol get rent

-sibby

[Anonymous No.6211244]

[Anonymous No.6211252]

>>6211162
you need therapy you toe addict

[Anonymous No.6211256]

>>6211252
Actually I'm a SOLE CHAD

[Anonymous No.6211262]

>>6210790
Just read the fucking sticky.
It's all shit, they're kind of attractive but every fucking thing starting from chicken scratch, going thru anatomy and ending on basic shapes is fucking 4yo level.

What the fuck is wrong with you? Everyone drawing longer than a week would do better. You're not even trying faggot.
Fucking pathetic

[Anonymous No.6211268]

>>6211262
Why do you care so much about someone else’s work especially if you don’t like it?

[Anonymous No.6211269]

>>6211262
Lmao thanks for the laugh.
>they're kind of attractive
Mission accomplished? Obviously I'm not posting my best, they are just for practice.
I know I'm not that bad because I'm getting consistent midbegs in the power level thread now, sometimes high beg even.
Also considering I've only been drawing frontal faces for a few days and already surpassed most DWRSB before afters here >>6210960 on top of having 99% accuracy >>6211038 I think I'm doing pretty well.
Now post your work, show me anything that has a better body than this. And here I'm going easy on you. I know you won't because you're just a sour crab.

[Anonymous No.6211271]

>>6211268
Because I'm brushing my teeth right now

[Anonymous No.6211279]

My god, my line control is awful.

[Anonymous No.6211280]

>>6210512
I'm sick of loomis faces

[Anonymous No.6211282]

Can you use a ridiculously small reference?
I can only draw in an area where I have mobile data but no wifi, so I use my smartphone to look up references.

[Anonymous No.6211284]

I don't feel like I've gotten far after 4 months on and off.

[Anonymous No.6211285]

>>6211282
Using a small reference and drawing bigger than it is too complicated, no one does it. You can only rely on plumb lines using small ass references.

[Anonymous No.6211286]

>>6211279
I know people say everyone can draw, but if you can't even draw a straight line without a ruler, uhh...

[Anonymous No.6211287]

>>6210961
>I recommend keys to drawing
First exercise is impossible for beginners.

[Anonymous No.6211289]

>>6210985
>different kinds of shading
the exercise is generally for line quality
it's from brent's book

[Anonymous No.6211290]

>>6211279
I assume you are doi g draw a box. This is legit the first exercise, your fine. Just keep at it. Pic rel was my first attempt. Don't expect perfection, just keep going.

[Anonymous No.6211294]

>>6211290
>I assume you are doi g draw a box.
Not exactly, this is from a different line exercise.

>This is legit the first exercise, your fine. Just keep at it.
I've kept at it for a long time. I'm pretty sure I've stagnated or gotten worse. I have never been able to go forward.

[Anonymous No.6211295]

>>6211282
It is what I do, it is a pain but I do not have an alternative so I bear it.
As long as I draw at some point

[Anonymous No.6211297]

>>6211294
Are you just doing this one over and over again?

[Anonymous No.6211298]

>>6211297
It's kind of a vitally important skill every artist assumes you innately have or can acquire quickly...

[Anonymous No.6211303]

>>6211298
I suggest just moving on to the next part. You'll learn and reapply as you go. You'll get better over time. If you fret over getting every exercise down perfectly. You'll just kill the joy.

[Anonymous No.6211304]

>>6211303
>the next part
The next part of what?
>You'll learn and reapply as you go
Go where? I've been trying this shit for years.
>You'll get better over time.
That's not what I was told, and that's not what I've experienced.

[Anonymous No.6211306]

>>6211303
>You'll just kill the joy.
Draw a box is pretty joy killing. Stop shilling it.

[Anonymous No.6211309]

>>6211287
I ask you, how is this anything other than a humiliation ritual?
I can't even form the fucking outline of the hand. The fingers don't go anywhere.

[Anonymous No.6211314]

>>6211309

[Anonymous No.6211338]

>>6211309
it's a contour exercise, anon

[Anonymous No.6211430]

>>6211290
>doing drawabox
Idiot.

[Anonymous No.6211433]

>>6211279
UNIORONICALLY KYS

[Anonymous No.6211440]

Studying perspective

[Anonymous No.6211441]

>>6211124
Study actual human anatomy before you copy chink art.

[Anonymous No.6211454]

Damn, I've been noticing a lot of pencil begs press *way* too hard lol. Careful with that, friends.

[Anonymous No.6211456]

>>6211279
>>6211290
Boy do I hate seeing people fall for the lazy line practice meme. You should not be doing this shit with purely horizontal lines. Training only one of the 360 degrees is not going to develop a good base of skill.

You should be practicing line control with lines of multiple angles, starting from both directions. Lazilly hammering out exclusively horizontal lines only builds a tiny portion of your muscle memory, and it does so FAR slower than doing it right.

[Anonymous No.6211525]

Can you crosshatch if you’re not Christian?

[Anonymous No.6211549]

>>6211525
no that is not allowed, sorry

[Anonymous No.6211550]

[Anonymous No.6211658]

Alright, I'm watching Huston's head tutorial and finally reached 3/4 view and I'm getting filtered
He says to draw a sailboat first and construct from that, but I am used to constructing 3/4 from a ball. I intend to use the ball method for when I draw anime in the future. The sailboat, does it teach me 3D form and will this help me draw anime heads? I tried researching the method outside of Huston and no results. I would rather learn a mainstream method like Loomis that is discussed and analyzed anywhere. Is the Huston method worth it? Please tell me your opinion.

[Anonymous No.6211668]

>>6211658
the sailboat method is just a simplify way to draw heads. You can still use the other way if you find that easier. The main benefit of the sailboat is that most people forget drawing the back of the head and this way make sure you have it all. Also it is quick to draw heads once you get the hang of it.

[Anonymous No.6211672]

>>6211668
Okay thanks I'll give it a go and see if it suits me.

[Anonymous No.6211680]

>>6211658
>>6211672
its funny how easy it is to recognize the esdeathschizo even when hes not posting any drawings

[Anonymous No.6211683]

>>6211658
Huston's sailboat method is pretty genius when you combine both the gesture of the head and neck

[Anonymous No.6211685]

he's not looking healthy

[Anonymous No.6211686]

>>6211685
what about now

[Anonymous No.6211702]

Will not cleaning up my lines bite me in the ass in the long run or can I just grind good form etc first and then worry about line quality after?

[Anonymous No.6211704]

>>6211549
Damn. What can a Jew like me do to draw?

[Anonymous No.6211709]

Understanding perspective doesn't make you better at drawing it. So what the fuck should I study to get better at envisioning the correct perspective?

[Anonymous No.6211711]

>>6211709
This might be some of the dumbest shit I've heard on /ic/

[Anonymous No.6211712]

I can't wrap my head around drawing 3D objects, everything just comes out as flat. I can't look at a reference and make it 3D, I can only ever draw what's right in front of my face. Am I too retarded to draw?

[Anonymous No.6211715]

>>6211711
It's true though /beg/ you draw vanishing points every fucking drawing? no you don't and I am sure when you do on your drawings they're way the fuck off.

[Anonymous No.6211717]

>>6211709
just draw (in perspective)

[Anonymous No.6211725]

>>6211712
If you're drawing what's right in front of you, it'll look 3d, because we see things in 3d (duh). Just keep practicing, anon, and you'll get there. Maybe try finding some books/videos/courses on perspective and shading to help you understand form. One nice exercise I remember from somewhere is drawing organic shapes and then drawing contours around it. Something like picrel

[Anonymous No.6211726]

Am I doing gestures correctly?

[Anonymous No.6211727]

>>6211717
Without drawing vanishing points, what is off about this cube?

[Anonymous No.6211730]

>>6211727
its lookin at me funny

[Anonymous No.6211731]

>>6211727
well, the vertical lines are diverging where they shouls be diverging, other than that it's hard to tell. You don't need godlike perspective when drawing a little cube, and if you need it you can use a tool. Perspective comes into play more when you're drawing a lot of things (like a human's body parts, or houses in a city) and you want them to fit together nicely

[Anonymous No.6211732]

>>6211731
How did you check if the lines are converging correctly?

[Anonymous No.6211734]

>>6211727
You drew a cube in 1p perspective. The fact that you're not using a vp to do so does not mean that you're not using your understanding of perspective to do so. If you had no understanding of perspective the box would be completly flat. I don't understand why you think drawing vps = understanding perspective. Drawing the actual vps are supposed to help you better understand how perspective works. Are you really this fucking stupid?

[Anonymous No.6211741]

>>6211727
>>6211709
>>6211672
>>6211658
pls leave

[Anonymous No.6211742]

>>6211741
kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.6211743]

>>6211734
Prove it.

[Anonymous No.6211744]

>>6211726
I guess. But spoilers if you're a beg: it won't be enough

[Anonymous No.6211749]

>>6211743
Prove what?

[Anonymous No.6211750]

>>6211749
okay you're a certified beg.

[Anonymous No.6211753]

>>6211750
Yeah, I'm in a /beg/ thread, it shouldn't come as huge surprise. Just respond to my question. What do you want me to prove?

[Anonymous No.6211755]

>>6211753
so shut the fuck up and quit pontificating if you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.6211757]

>>6211755
Okay, I get it. You're just having an autistic breakdown. Go take a walk or something. Clear your head.

[Anonymous No.6211758]

>>6211755
>>6211753

It's literally a traced cube from blender 3D, duning kruger. I wanted to know how non begs learn to assess correct perspective without drawing the vanishing points all the time.

[Anonymous No.6211763]

>>6210040
what's heavier? a pound of pillow or a pound of rock?

[Anonymous No.6211772]

>>6211763
rock

[Anonymous No.6211777]

>>6211763
I wouldn't want to get hit by a rock. So rock wins.

[Anonymous No.6211782]

30 min from life
Practicing with my new edge brush until I get the hang of it, gotta get away from my chalky look

[Anonymous No.6211784]

>>6211758
>traced
you can't even trace bro

[Anonymous No.6211792]

>>6211726
No, your lines are ugly and stiff. Gesture does not mean "low effort chicken scratched subject".

[Anonymous No.6211804]

>>6211792
that's what it means though. Then pros draw an actual figure over it but begs can't do that

[Anonymous No.6211813]

>>6211763
2 pounds of this dick

[Anonymous No.6211815]

More edge brush practice

Fabric folds from imagination

[Anonymous No.6211819]

>>6211815
Man, I want to shove my finger into that hole

[Anonymous No.6211823]

https://litter.catbox.moe/uspm7e.png
god i hate painting

[Anonymous No.6211851]

>>6211804
>that's what it means though
You are 100% ngmi, lmao.

Every single pro tells you to never chicken scratch but somehow your small brain has interpreted the opposite. People like you simply cannot learn.

[Anonymous No.6211860]

>>6211456
Doing it in full is even more embarrassing than doing the lazy practice. Besides which, my lines are crappy regardless.

[Anonymous No.6211863]

>>6211338
A what now? See, you guys said it was for beginners but it clearly isn't.

[Anonymous No.6211874]

Currently working on this, what should be improved? I feel like the right arm is too much thicker than the left and the left kind of seems like it's in the wrong spot maybe?
I'd like to know what's going wrong before I commit too hard

[Anonymous No.6211878]

>>6211863
Would a childrens book in a language you don't understand somehow no longer be a childrens book because you don't understand it? You not knowing a word does not change the fact that it's a book for beginners.

[Anonymous No.6211888]

>>6211878
The problem is trying to actually follow the exercise. So what are you saying?

[Anonymous No.6211891]

>>6211888
Oh, sorry. I didn't realize who you were before checking the posting chain. Just disregard what I said.

[Anonymous No.6211893]

>>6211815
Where are the folds supposed to be

[Anonymous No.6211896]

>>6211860
...if you're hitting a wall because your practice looks bad, you might just want to quit now before you kill yourself in shame at the absolute state of what your art will look like after refusing to do proper practice for years.

[Anonymous No.6211898]

>>6211896
I'd personally round up every single disgusting sociopath here that has not enough with living a hedonistic miserable lifestyle, but gets joy out of trying to bring others down to their abyss.
No mercy, genuinely. You need to fuck off, retard.

[Anonymous No.6211901]

>>6211898
No seriously though. Being embarrassed by your own output is major kys shit. You're either good enough to be proud of your works, or have yet to hone your skills enough to be at a point where you should care.
Art is never something to be embarrassed over.

[Anonymous No.6211903]

>>6211901
I can see through your gaslight. Go draw, and leave the /beg/s alone. You are rotten.

[Anonymous No.6211904]

>>6211874
kinda

[Anonymous No.6211906]

>>6211904
>swastika nipples
I like you

[Anonymous No.6211907]

>>6211903
Nobody will properly improve with a mindset of "I shouldn't practice properly because it might look bad."
Art is not easy. Self-deprecating mindsets languish. Confidence in yourself is needed to thrive.

[Anonymous No.6211909]

>>6211907
Yes, and I am sure telling someone to kill themselves is going to help them build it. Stop pretending you are trying to do anything else other than take joy from hurting vulnerable people.

[Anonymous No.6211912]

>>6211906

[Anonymous No.6211915]

>>6211874
Neck is too thick, but specifically its left side (from the subject's perspective) is wide, while its right side fine but perhaps a bit thin.
Spine is bending leftward as it approaching the hip. Spines may curve forward and back, and twist, but sideways bends are not natural.

I feel like the right arm is too much thicker than the left and the left kind of seems like it's in the wrong spot maybe?
The arms are different thicknesses yes, most visible in the forearms.
The left arm is also low compared to the right. I suspect you thinking it is in the wrong place is also from the neck/spine issues.

Generally though, if you have to ask if something is off, you already know it is. Trust your own eye. You will go to fix things you know are off many, many times and still have them look wrong, but that's how you develop. Over time you'll get a better and better sense for how parts fit together.
Sometimes the arm may look wrong, and its actually some totally different part of the anatomy that's throwing everything off. That kind of sense comes with practice.

That aside, those crows look awesome!

[Anonymous No.6211918]

>>6211909
>Yes, and I am sure telling someone to kill themselves is going to help them build it.
If your skin isn't thick enough to handle some banter, an industry surrounded by scathing critique and relentless public feedback might not be for you.

>Stop pretending you are trying to do anything else other than take joy from hurting vulnerable people.
Boo hoo. Apprentices in any field seek feedback to improve, not to be coddled. I'm sure you can find plenty of art teachers who are cowards, and they will help you improve at a snail's pace just fine.

[Anonymous No.6211928]

>>6211918
Silence, sociopath. You are just another one of a million, nothing special. No one's falling for your bullshit

[Anonymous No.6211929]

>>6211928
If your response to someone informing you that you need to practice more intentfully is to call them a sociopath as an excuse to sustain lazy habits, you will see little progress.

[Anonymous No.6211930]

>>6211929
You keep mixing ''generic well meaning advice'' to hide the fact you are a sick and rotten person.
Feel free to post your work, Mr Gaslight.

[Anonymous No.6211932]

>>6211930
>Feel free to post your work
Nah, don't have a camera on me.
And, frankly, your attitude is unworthy of seeing my art.

[Anonymous No.6211936]

>>6211932
you're most likely talking to the esdeathfag. you should stop because he's severely autistic and rational thought is impossible for him to comprehend

[Anonymous No.6211938]

>>6211936
Haha no worries friend, I always have fun with a little bit of bantz. Thanks for the head's up though.

[Anonymous No.6211939]

does anyone have any good resources on face construction? anything that isn't hampton since his face section in figure drawing is shit

[Anonymous No.6211942]

>>6211874
Try thinking about where the shoulder blades are, even when drawing someone from the front.

[Anonymous No.6211951]

>>6211942
>>6211915
>>6211904
This is all very helpful, thanks
I think I've gotten it looking generally better now, still very unfinished but a better foundation at least.
I feel like I still have a tendency to symbol draw parts of the figure, even when I use reference.

[Anonymous No.6211967]

>>6211951
I think a lot of my fuckery also comes from my process since I start by just drawing the head without a clear idea of what I want the whole piece to look like then just figure it out from there which leads to shit looking weird, also drawing from memory rather than reference, I really need to do that less.
Pro tip: don't be like me.

[Anonymous No.6211968]

>>6211939
loomis, unironically

[Anonymous No.6211970]

>>6211939
the only one you'll ever need

[Anonymous No.6211977]

>>6211970
THAT'S AN ELLIPSE NOT A CIRCLE REEEEEEEE

[Anonymous No.6211990]

Apparently drawing tiny cars is VERY hard

[Anonymous No.6212007]

>>6211160
>didn't post work
>larping
>t.nodrawer

[Anonymous No.6212011]

>>6211990
the fuck is that building? where've you seen it? in minecraft? what a loser

[Anonymous No.6212017]

>>6211990
good album

[Anonymous No.6212022]

>>6211939
they're all the same shit that teach you the same shit you fucking schizo

[Anonymous No.6212047]

If you want to learn how to draw, but you never feel like drawing, do you actually want to learn how to draw?
I don't know if I simply have an exhausted coomer brain or if I just like the thought of being good at something.

[Anonymous No.6212054]

>>6212047
most people don't like working, push through the laziness or die a failure, simple as

[Anonymous No.6212071]

>>6212047
You have to find ways to enjoy it and get excited about it.
If you just grind practice and don't just draw for fun or because you had an idea you just want to put on paper you'll get burned out.
If you can find something about the process of drawing that's very satisfying it helps a lot.

[Anonymous No.6212072]

>>6211932
>unworthy of seeing my art.
Kek, keep telling yourself that, Princess
>>6211936
Nice samefag

[Anonymous No.6212074]

This is weird. Looking at this guy I thought his chest was about as long as his head. But it turns out the head is quite longer, measuring it. I can't wrap my head around this for some reason, I can't see it.

[Anonymous No.6212075]

>>6212074

[Anonymous No.6212080]

>>6212074
>>6212075
to clarify, I meant the chest starting from below the chin

[Anonymous No.6212106]

>>6211896
I'd feel less bad if I had a better idea of what to do. Telling me to "just draw" is the equivalent of telling someone getting into exercising to "just lift weights". I need a program, a routine I can follow, before I start getting any creative ideas. I've done enough garbage symbol drawing for one lifetime, thanks.

[Anonymous No.6212121]

>>6212074
>>6212075
anon...thats a cartoon/caricature version of a human, it has anatomy flaws on purpose to exaggerate certain features

[Anonymous No.6212133]

>>6212121
The problem is that I messed up the measurements of that very picture. Wouldn't be a big deal but I feel like it happens to me with any reference I use. There is a massive difference between what I think the proportions I'm seeing are are and the real ones.

[Anonymous No.6212160]

>>6212106
you say that, but have you ever picked up a book like hampton, houston, vilppu, loomis, bridgman or morpho and just make studying form them a daily routine parallel to your normal drawing?
if you havent done this then begin by doing this

[Anonymous No.6212170]

Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.6212190]

>>6212170
Needs line of action.

[Anonymous No.6212200]

>>6212190
It's just a character design sheet, i don't think it does

[Anonymous No.6212204]

>>6212200
Oh right

[Anonymous No.6212207]

>>6212106
>I'd feel less bad if I had a better idea of what to do.
You develop best when pushing the boundaries of your skill. Assess yourself, find things that you just barely can't do yet, and practice in those realms.

>Telling me to "just draw" is the equivalent of telling someone getting into exercising to "just lift weights"
"just draw" is weirdly both terrible and great advice. Its terrible in the sense that, if you are not actively practising you will not improve. Its great, however, because drawing does help you get comfortable with your skill set. Making sure to do at least a few sketches daily is good.

> I need a program, a routine I can follow, before I start getting any creative ideas. I've done enough garbage symbol drawing for one lifetime, thanks.
So, there are two ways to solve this. The first is to get a good teacher.
Okay, you're here so that's out of the question. The second is a cycle of pushing your limits and assessing yourself, then practising and doing exercises based on your assessment.

Find objects that you're not skilled enough to do competent till life works of yet. Draw them. Look at it. Is the symmetry off? Pressure control? Line work etc. Then, work on that specifically. Not drawing, but sitting down and practising skills you know you are lacking in the abstract.

Teachers may help point out aspects of your skill set you have yet to identify are lacking. Without a teacher, you have to do that part yourself, and it takes conscious effort. It takes intent, it takes clearly and thoughtfully assessing yourself. That's something a lot of people don't do.

[Anonymous No.6212209]

>>6211932
>can't post his work when called out
>in a /beg/ thread of all places
Fucking kek, you're actually lower than a /beg/, I guarantee you don't draw.

[Anonymous No.6212212]

>>6212209
Salty, thin-skinned amateurs who recoil at receiving advice are beneath me.

[Anonymous No.6212213]

>>6212207
>Assess yourself, find things that you just barely can't do yet, and practice in those realms.
Basic shapes?

[Anonymous No.6212215]

>>6212212
>taking advice from someone that doesn't even draw
Get a load of this retard.

[Anonymous No.6212220]

>>6212170
did she get caught stealing twice or why does she have no hands

[Anonymous No.6212228]

>>6212213
>Basic shapes?
Ah, in that case, you need line control.
Meme line repetition drawings all over this thread that you're probably already aware of noted... (If you haven't done those, do so.)

>Basic Shapes
Draw a circle, then repeat drawing over it. With each repetition, never start in the same place twice. You should do eight or nine cycles around the circle without having started at the same origin point more than once. Vary between clockwise and counterclockwise. Great exercise. Can do the same for other basic shapes too.

>Pressure control
...
>Don't press too hard
If you are indenting the page, you are doing it wrong. Pencil leads are designed to mark pages. Light, even pressure is enough. If you need darker, it is achieved by softer leads, not angry pressure.

>Even shading exercises
Draw a relatively small (1-inch ish) simple shape. Shade it an even value with a single pass, trying to not go over sections twice (Can be hard, do your best no worries if you mess up a few times).
The end result should be an evenly shaded shape, with no visible pencil lines. There will obviously be a texture in the direction of your shade strokes, but you should seek to avoid stark gouges of clear lines within the shading. Repeat with different values. Repeat with gradients instead of even values.

You can do the same also, shading between a set of two parallel lines (about a half inch to an inch apart) to the other. Even shading, gradient shading.

Pressure control and line control are the basic skills to start working on if you're a total newfriend. To pencil drawing, at least.

[Anonymous No.6212229]

>>6212215
Your banter does not impress me. I'm here to give advice, I have nothing to prove to the faggots among you.

[Anonymous No.6212232]

>>6212228
>Meme line repetition drawings all over this thread that you're probably already aware of noted... (If you haven't done those, do so.)
Look up the post chain. Yes, I do those. It's very depressing to be stuck on this for years without meaningful progress.

[Anonymous No.6212233]

>>6212220
drawing hands is too hard its better to keep drawing everything else then complain you suck at hands

[Anonymous No.6212240]

>>6212229
>muh BANTER
You literally don't draw. You've failed before you even started, any advice you give is worthless.

[Anonymous No.6212244]

>>6212232
>It's very depressing to be stuck on this for years without meaningful progress.
That may be a bigger problem then. What areas do you feel you're stuck in?

Have tried tried dedicated still life sessions? Or going to live drawing classes?

[Anonymous No.6212247]

>>6212209
>>6212072
why are you responding twice to the same post? at least try to make your samefag less obvious

[Anonymous No.6212249]

>>6212240
My art is better than yours. I already know this, and need not either see yours or post mine to prove it. I know how good I am.
You being salty over the threat of your inferiority being revealed is proof enough for me.

[Anonymous No.6212251]

>>6212247
>moves goalpost to samefag when losing the argument
Fucking kek
>>6212249
>my art is better
>still hasn't posted it
We both know you don't draw

[Anonymous No.6212257]

>>6212251
>samefag
try again, esdeathshiczo. why cant you just leave and stop shitting up these thread. just fucking kill yourself already

[Anonymous No.6212259]

>>6212251
>We both know you don't draw
Why even bother attempting to be smug here?
I have nothing to prove. You're not going to somehow bamboozle me into posting my art that your inferior eyes have no right to see.

To retort, I assume you have some of your abominations posted itt? Would you kindly link me to them so I can be ashamed of ever speaking with someone so unrefined?

[Anonymous No.6212268]

>>6212244
>What areas do you feel you're stuck in?
Basic line control. It fucks up everything I do. My boxes always need to be redrawn, my circles are off centered, and don't get me started on triangles.
>Or going to live drawing classes?
That might be my only choice. I don't think there are any open now, unfortunately.

[Anonymous No.6212275]

>>6212257
Read the post again you illiterate fucktard.
>thinks I'm Esdeath
Kek retard
>>6212259
For someone that has nothing to prove you really hellbent on not proving it.
You're in a /beg/ thread, imagine being so scared about posting your work. Clearly you don't draw and have nothing to show.

[Anonymous No.6212278]

>>6212259
>>6210448
>>6210533
>>6210561
>>6210579
>>6210790
>>6210960
>>6211038
>>6211269
Lol. I am great at drawing, what the fuck are you on about. Any faults in my drawings are caused by bad teachers, like Huston.

[Anonymous No.6212280]

>>6212268
>Basic line control. It fucks up everything I do. My boxes always need to be redrawn, my circles are off centered, and don't get me started on triangles.
Absolute worst case scenario, if you've been barrelling through oblivion for literal years without being able to get that aspect of the skill, get some circle and shape templates. If you need to draw a circle in your art, use them.

I doubt the situation is hopeless though. When you try to draw these and find yourself struggling, do you feel its an issue of your arm and hand not connecting to your intent? Or is it more of a visualisation issue, where the shapes are distorted or not fully realised internally before even trying to execute them?

[Anonymous No.6212282]

>>6212275
>>6212259
leave

[Anonymous No.6212284]

It's been 50 minutes and I am still trying to draw the head. I started 2 hours ago sketching and i liked it except the head. I wanted to some studied. But I am again stuck drawing and erasing the same head over and over and i have no idea why i am so retarded piece of shit untalented faggot who can't draw the head. WHY I AM INCAPABLE OF SKETCHING OF SINGLE FUCKING HEAD!!! I HATE THIS: I AM NOT GOING TO QUIT UNTIL THERE WILL BE PERFECT HEAD

[Anonymous No.6212287]

>>6212268
>>6212280
Moreover, literally don't stress about it. If you somehow have gigadoomed neurology and are actually literally disabled in that regard, just adjust your style.

You will always be able to produce great art, even if it ends up being outside the usual realm. What matters is, if you are simply unable to refine the pure high-end technical skills, you do end up finding an area you can master and refining those skills at the very least.

I do doubt you are a literal cripple though. Just need to find out what's going wrong in the complex journey from vision to execution.

[Anonymous No.6212290]

>>6212284
>WHY I AM INCAPABLE OF SKETCHING OF SINGLE FUCKING HEAD!!! I HATE THIS
You haven't built up the fundamentals yet. There's probably some aspect of head anatomy that you haven't linked into your 3d visualisation yet. Or, your methods of deconstructing in your mind's eye a head are flawed.

[Anonymous No.6212292]

Another quick thing, back to studying my main goal though which is unrelated and more real.

[Anonymous No.6212294]

>>6212275
>You're in a /beg/ thread, imagine being so scared about posting your work.
>"b-but you must be scared!"
No. I don't have a camera nearby, as stated above. Nice try though.

[Anonymous No.6212298]

>>6212290
No i am just untalented permabeg and ngmi. Art cannot be learned.

[Anonymous No.6212299]

>>6212294
Suuuure you don't. Then post your previous work, you're on a fucking computer, are you really telling me you have no other work saved?

[Anonymous No.6212301]

Super mega ultra /beg/ here.
What should i really start with.
Drawabox? Fun with Pencil? Sticky?

[Anonymous No.6212310]

>>6212301
Start drawing things you love, or drawing things for people you love.
Almost any book or method from any genuine professional will be fine to work through, as you develop. Don't fret the details, you literally can't go wrong as long as you see improvement over time. If you don't see improvement, fine, bit of time wasted and find another method.
Draw a box seems to be a favorite though. Its not terrible from what I've seen.

[Anonymous No.6212313]

>>6212298
>Art cannot be learned.
Well then, I can't help ya. Carry on.

[Anonymous No.6212314]

>>6212310
>drawing things you love
aight, random shit you can't explain with words it is.
>will be fine
hmmmm
>drawabox
aight, will do inbetween drawing what i like
many thanks /ic/

[Anonymous No.6212317]

>>6212314
>aight, random shit you can't explain with words it is.
Haha fair enough. I mean like, pets, trying to replicate whatever got you into art in the first place, etc. Its easier to stay motivated when you're working with subjects you enjoy or that inspire you personally.

Other than that, simple still life drawings work. Coffee and tea cups, sports equipment and the like are usually good places to start from.

[Anonymous No.6212321]

>>6212299
>Suuuure you don't. Then post your previous work
Nah.

[Anonymous No.6212326]

>>6212301
>>6212314
oh and just some starters.
Don't press or grip too hard. Mentioned it above to someone else, but if you are indenting the page you are doing it wrong in most situations. Pencils are made to leave marks on paper.

[Anonymous No.6212329]

>>6212321
As expected from someone who doesn't draw

[Anonymous No.6212334]

>>6212329
I do not understand why you are trying so hard to get someone to be braggadocios about their skill. I am not here to brag, I am here to help others improve.
I will not be showing you my work.

[Anonymous No.6212335]

One of the worst threads we've had in some time.

[Anonymous No.6212337]

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[Anonymous No.6212341]

>>6212334
No, you're here to shitpost and label it under banter. Your "advice" is worthless considering you don't draw.

[Anonymous No.6212345]

>>6212341
You not wanting to take advice because you have thin skin and can't accept critique, does not make the advice worthless.

[Anonymous No.6212346]

>>6212345
You never gave me advice you fucking retard. I'm not the anon you think I am.

[Anonymous No.6212348]

>>6212346
>Wasn't even part of the conversation.
>Still somehow assblasted.
Literally, absolutely pathetic.

[Anonymous No.6212355]

>>6212348
>thinks his shitposting is "advice"
>expects everyone to believe he draws
I just like calling out retards that don't actually draw.

[Anonymous No.6212363]

>>6212355

[Anonymous No.6213134]

>>6211763
As both are implied to be weighed on Earth's surface we can assume that 1: both contain a quantity of air and 2: the air does not influence their weight on the scale (ie one pound) but does influence their mass. Since the pillow contains more air it's heavier.

[Anonymous No.6215276]

Cylinders are fucking impossible. My eyes are so terrible I can't even gauge the proper angle of the center line to make sure it's perpendicular.