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If you are a /beg/inner or /int/ermediate in art, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice.
Use this thread instead of making new threads or post in the drawthread with fundamental exercises.

RESIZE YOUR IMAGES TO ~1000 PIXELS using one of the following methods:
1. screenshot the image and post that instead
2. change camera capture settings to something smaller
3. send to computer and resize in MSPaint


New collaborative sticky (anyone can edit): https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0Q
Completed: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit#bookmark=id.15jx3pyuimvj
Old: http://www.squidoo.com/how-to-draw-learn

- Keys to drawing
- The Art and Science of Drawing
- Perspective Made Easy
- Perspective Drawing Handbook
- Vilppu Drawing Manual (and literally any other book made by Glenn Vilppu)
- Figure drawing for all it's worth (and literally any other book made by Andrew Loomis)
- Figure - Design and invention
- Pen and Ink
- The Natural Way To Draw

- How to Draw by Scott Robertson
- How to Render by Scott Robertson
- Color and Light: A Guide for the Realist Painter by James Gurney
- Morpho: Anatomy for Artists (and Literally any other book made by Michel Lauricella)
- Anatomy for Sculptors

When giving feedback, avoid vague "advice" - point what's wrong and try to give the anon you're quoting a clear direction to improve their art (study heads < watch THIS VIDEO about head structure, read THIS SECTION of THIS ARTIST'S BOOK, etc).
You, feedback seeking anon, should also try to be clear and concise when asking for critique/help. When posting your artwork, say what you want help with, and what's your goal with the study/artwork.


Previous thread: >>6197299

>> No.6199316
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Today's Challenge:

>> No.6199328
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Did i transfer this elipse from the vertical to horizontal plane correctly?

>> No.6199329

Yes, it's a perfect circle in perspective.

>> No.6199337

I think i'm starting to get how the Scott Robinsons book works

>> No.6199342

Props. Did you use any method to check if the square on the ground plane is perfect square (as opposed to rectangle), or just eyeball it?

>> No.6199351


This was done on a grid so i just extended the lines, then used the rectangle duplicating method in perspective but instead of duplicating it on the vertical plane, i duplicated it on the ground plane.

>> No.6199354

Which allowed me to perfectly-ish replicate the vertical plane

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What is that
also I clearly cant feel the form

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this exercise is very unsettling for some reason

>> No.6199385

Ah, the brewer method grid. I see. Makes sense, tho I'm still a bit confused, what technique is there to transfer the square from vertical to horizontal? I remember the techniques used to mirror it according to a given plane and to rotate it at a given angle by drawing an elipse and changing the VPs, but I'm assuming you didn't use either of those. Sorry if I'm being retarded.

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I added some fun faces and texture to make it less unsettling

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>> No.6199399

>bringing back the discord google doc
dumbass op

>> No.6199401
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beginner here, im looking to get a new display because of pic related (it's really distracting when drawing on a white canvas)
would a curved display mess with my lines all that much? Mainly looking at a curved ultrawide because im also a degen gamer but wont bother if it fucks with drawing

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You don't own the board, it came to a vote last thread and was decided that I should re-include it. Imagine being so triggered by a discord link, imagine not knowing how to not click on a link, just just close your eyes retard. This is the last (you), that (you)'ll be getting from me.
Sneed and Seeth faggot.

>> No.6199410

I use a curved screen and haven't had any issues with drawing. Biggest thing is to make sure it's positioned properly.

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fuck me noses are hard to draw, I'll get it soon though

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First time trying to construct something from a ref pic. Should I keep doing stuff like this while I work on my basic shapes? Or do I just grind one of the figure drawing books in the OP?
And yes looking at it now I can see a million little errors but I'm not even sure if I should be bothering with this for now.

>> No.6199415

you missed an e
those boobs cannot be real I don't believe it
any women in the thread want to prove me wrong?

>> No.6199416

Does anyone have experience with courses from Domestika? There are a couple architectural drawing courses that look interesting @ $8 for 3-4 hours of video.

>> No.6199430

The same technique that is used for duplication of a rectangle along one plane can be also used to duplicate it on a new adjoining plane. It works the same way but you just draw the point to find the new edge on a different plane, going through the bottom middle point

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Wew, boinked this so damn hard.
But I know how to fix it up a bit, next time should be better.
Ayy lmao.

>> No.6199440

I'll draw an exam tomorrow, desu

>> No.6199441

It's not staying in the OP, idiot. That's final.

>> No.6199443

How am I supposed to draw on a screenless tablet? Should I rest the side of my hand on the tablet or should I let my hand hover over it? The latter feels like there's less risk of injuring my wrist but it's much harder to make accurate lines.

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>> No.6199445

I've seen better, honestly. The fact tits like this exist and gay men are a thing proves that humanity is doomed to fail.

>> No.6199446
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Figured some artists might know who this guy is.

I can't find the artist who made the original but there is a spasming demon-like creature who I remember looking like this. It has a strange head shape like pyramid head. And a white face constantly jittering like a broken tv screen.

Most importantly the character is inky black and constantly convulsing. Anyone know the character?

>> No.6199449

>when a random accuses you of homosexuality because you're not a degenerate and only draw what you find interesting which is SFW.
/beg/ friends...

>> No.6199450

i think you're gay for posting this

>> No.6199451

This video was extremely helpful pointing out proportion measurements, give it a watch and grind your Asaro heads anon, you're gonna make it

>> No.6199452

This one?

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tried drawing Kuwabara

>> No.6199459

I'll check it out and of course continue the grind.

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drew Kuwabara

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draw this bag

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I'll just add children's books prose to the long list of things I need to work on

>> No.6199470

I wouldn't be running in that situation
just saying

>> No.6199471


Yes it's this one! I knew an artist would know of him.

>> No.6199472

Interesting, I will have to look into it. Tho I don't see where it's shown in the video. He just shows the same basic techniques scott does. I don't understand what you're supposed to connect/intersect. So you find the lower middle of your square, then draw a line trough there from a corner and intersect, what? Or maybe you mean that you have another square marked by an elipse on the other vertical plane, and extend that one's bottom to find the length of the other side of the square?

>> No.6199486

>Should I keep doing stuff like this while I work on my basic shapes?
Yes Yes Yes, keep doing these

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It's not much but coming from literally nothing about a week ago this feels amazing. Right Side of the Brain's modified contour student examples look WAY more advanced than mine and it's a little discouraging but I'll make it there eventually.

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Been working a little bit since >>6195508 and I feel much better about the shape of this one. Spent a lot of time looking at anatomy references and staring at my own hand.
I have a habit of making things way too flat as I work on anatomy references, then I try to fix it and turn the thing into a blobby mess. I need to focus much more on the proper 3d form of things from the get go and refine them, rather than doing tons of details that I then fuck up and make look horribly alien as I make major adjustments after the fact.

Mostly, I need to put in a lot more time and work. I've been investing like an hour every couple days. Don't have children if you value your free time.

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Work in progress

>> No.6199523

Reminds me of Dishonored. Very cool. Hairline seems a tad blocky though.

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Filtered more than usual as I never considered something like ice much less something within it.
as I 'finished' it though I thought of a better way, but feels like it requires more effort and time at the moment.

>> No.6199536

It's definitely Johnny Depp as Sweeny Todd.

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I kept correcting every little mistake and this one ended up looking traced. Should I stop being this autistic? It's been roughly 2 months since I started drawing and I don't know if that'd just end with me fucking myself over.
I had a lot of fun but I feel like it became more of an accuracy exercise than a construction one by the end

>> No.6199623

amazing progress for 2 months. Just keep doing what you're doing. Accuracy is a pre-req for construction anyways

>> No.6199634

Thanks man. That one pic made me realize how much simple values can help with accuracy, so even if it was a meaningless construction exercise it made me learn something cool.

>> No.6199643

Fake tits

>> No.6199679
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any courses or book that teach about inking?

>> No.6199680

You have a habit of shit proportions too apparently, measure the length of your palm and compare it to your fingers you'll see what I mean

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Random pose made without reference to test myself somewhat. Legs are fucky, but I appreciate any other feedback I can get.

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I don't mean to change the topic, but what do you anons think about Keys to Drawing as a beginner book to learn from?

Personally I'm getting filtered hard by the second practice lesson about drawing your had pointed towards you. Ive been practicing for a month on just the first two lessons, but I keep fucking up. Nothing looks good. It doesn't even look like a hanf

>> No.6199699

If you're spending so much time just learning to draw a hand, I would just switch over to larger, less complicated body structures for the time being. You could be learning more about multiple things in the time its taking you to struggle with the hand. Improve on perspective with things that dont have a million different parts. I also think the book is good, but if you dont end up actually enjoying drawing, you're gonna burn yourself out. Mix fun with studies

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It’s not supposed to look perfect anon, just keep going and reading further

>> No.6199729

It's honestly not great. Don't bother with any of these boring copying books.

Focus on learning how to draw basic shapes, straight lines and curves, then learn volumes and perspective.

>> No.6199755

I believe in you, anon

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How do you cope with the fact you will never be as good as infantile, 2 year old AI?
How do you cope with the fact human drawn/painted art will be completely irrelevant by the time you get decent at drawing?
How do you cope with the fact that the influx of "art" will make sure nobody ever sees or appreciates you work?

>> No.6199773

How do you cope with the fact that you're an obnoxious quadruple nigger?

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Why are you so upset?
I'm asking legitimate questions.

>> No.6199780

i like how at first glance it’s alright but then you look closer and literally every part of it is fucked

>> No.6199781

No, you're not. You're advertising. Fuck off.

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idk man but tv didn't kill the movie theater so there's really nothing to worry about!

>> No.6199786

You're an obnoxious fucking nigger, your question is retarded and doesn't belong itt
Go make another muh AI thread and cry about it there nobody here gives a fuck

>> No.6199788

>AI schizos forced to pollute unrelated threads because by now everyone has filtered their keywords and nobody bothers replying to them

>> No.6199796

There is Alphonso Dunn’s book, Jeff Watts has a pretty nice course on inking tho

>> No.6199799

Okay so I know how to draw shapes pretty good in 3D now where do I go to start drawing details like eyes and noses and hands? I feel like I'm so stuck in symbol drawing when I try draw any human detail

>> No.6199802

This is great, makes me want to get out the watercolors.

>> No.6199807

Yeah, you're probably right. The book just says to draw your own hand in a weird perspective, and after a month it still looks bad. Maybe I'll move onto the next lesson.
I guess I'll keep going, but how long did it take for you to draw like that? My hand still looks like tumbler fanart. Maybe even worse.
Do you have any alternative books or sources to study from you reccomend?

>> No.6199815

>shits up the beg thread with his AI nonsense
Truly the gayest shutcunt on this board right now

>> No.6199818
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One. Single schizo on a mission to drown /ic in his filth. Look at this shit, I'm sure it's 50/50 neural net and fag behind it. Makima threads, forced tonyo-drama (all made up btw). All the same retard who clearly cannot draw, and obsessed with making /ic as worse as possible. A testament to how shit burger psychiatry is.

>> No.6199823

>they've never seen skinny girls with ridiculously perky tits

>> No.6199826

>Do you have any alternative books or sources to study from you reccomend?
The Art and Science of Drawing by Brent Eviston. It has both a book and a video course.

>> No.6199836

>trannime shit of any kind
>frog pic
>sexualized pic

Sure it leaves you with a really slow board but at least its bearable.

>> No.6199854

>decide to stream art
>half my time spent fucking with the setup
>label it in the furry category cause fag
>1 viewer(s) (was probably myself)
>good enough
>start with some figures
>move on to anthro figure
> 2 viewers
>"hey can you do a sketch request?"
>sure, I haven't started anything I'm planning on finishing yet
>asks for MHA girl char turning into a werewolf with her tits out
>didn't sound furry
>don't usually draw women
>haven't drawn anime since middle school
>do it cause I don't have anything better to do yet
>sends refs
>start working on the figure
>simultaneously, crits the pose, the hands, the body type, the hands again
>all while I'm still getting rough sketch down
>"Oh also can you draw it in the anime's style"
>stop streaming when they cut off for a second
>send them a psd and a link to a trash thread
never again
if you find this go put it in a fucking ai
I stream once in more than a year, they've probably never seen any artwork I've done anyways AND it's excessive crit for "just a sketch" imo
I was expecting to make a doodle with decent effort but it turned into "make a commission-level drawing for me for free", piss off
Not gonna be a fucking printer for your niche hyper-specific coonime
1 hour lost, half an hour to type out the rant

>> No.6199873

they call it a "heart"

>> No.6199878
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think im going to learn watercolor soon

>> No.6199881

What's an "intermediate"?

>> No.6199883

Lying or occurring between two extremes or in a middle position or state.

>> No.6199886

I know what the dictionart entry for it is, but what does that mean in terms of artistic prowess? No everyone can intuitively grasp the meaning of those asian mom categories.

>> No.6199889

>The Art and Science of Drawing by Brent Eviston
nta but i was planning to read KtD after finishing brent's, currently starting his contour lesson
should i even bother with KtD? considering both of them are teaching observational drawing
or should i just skip the book and continue with perspective?

>> No.6199894

What books should I move onto after "You Can Draw In 30 Days"? Preferable something for a 'tard who's probably going to forget stuff instantly.

>> No.6199895

There's nothing wrong with giving it a shot, you draw a lot of different things in Keys like your eyes at a 3/4 angle, although the drawing philosophies are different. Bert Dodson says don't worry about your line quality being shit, just focus on seeing and observing above everything else.

In my opinion the natural progression after Eviston's Art & Science course is his Art & Science of figure drawing course.
As for perspective, expanding on that is worth it if you really want to get into drawing good backgrounds with a sense of depth to them. If you want to focus primarily on drawing characters, just make sure you know how to draw, rotate, distort and combine simple volumes. If you want to learn perspective in further detail, watch the Marshall videos.

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I think you may benefit from studying muscular anatomy and how it changes depending on how the body articulates/flexes, particularly in the shoulders and chest area. For example his right chest muscle (pectoral) with the raised arm should be stretched upward and flattened out (see picrel), because the pectoral muscles connect to the front of the shoulder muscles (deltoids). Whenever you raise your arms this causes your pecs to flatten out. You can also see in the picrel that due to the angle of the pose, the deltoid is only barely visible from the rear because it is obscured by the arm muscles and pectorals.


This vid has a pretty good guide on shoulder anatomy, and groups it together with the back, chest and arm muscles, since they all work together.

>> No.6199902

>when you see yourself improving yet you feel nothing
why even bother

>> No.6199906

so quit lol

>> No.6199910

thanks for the reply, anon
i really have no idea what's the content of keys other than its about observational drawing still, i'll give it a try and might skip the things i've already known from brent's to save time
also some anon suggest and even loomis (from his book) to some extent that i need to learn perspective before doing construction which is why after learning obsv. drawing my next stop would be perspective then followed by construction

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>> No.6199924

if you've been doing brent's course, you've learned enough linear perspective to get into figure drawing.

>> No.6199930

Do illustrators like loomis paint the color in their work like a normal painter or do they use some other toolset? Wondering what the best way to get into color is.

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Cute tort

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What do you guys think of my man-fly-pig?

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Checked, I raise you a frog

>> No.6200030
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schizobeg bros where we at?

>> No.6200033

>it's because he's american!
Calm down there, smoky. There is a strong to certain chance that he's not even American. He consistently becomes active in the middle of the night in America. I'd say it was likely he was Australian, but his poor English means he's probably a SEAnigger or a chink (the latter would scan with shilling AI constantly). He could also be a European, of course (it's morning in Europe when he starts posting most of the time, and his posting window tends to be relatively brief either way, making it likely he posts in either the morning or evening wherever he is).

>> No.6200039

its.only two threads faggot, we're witnessing the end of art and artists and two threads are too much for you

>> No.6200041
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reporting in

>> No.6200042

Y'know, I'd you actually believed any of your doom and woe, you would have offed yourself a long time ago. Let it go brother.

>> No.6200050

Art for me is just a hobby, but still I'm really upset we all got demolished by IT fags this badly.

>> No.6200052

Fuck off to a hidden shill thread retard.

>> No.6200065

I love drawing so much bros

>> No.6200066

rare gmi

>> No.6200069

>start enjoying drawing
>decide to start branching out and going out of my comfort zone
>start hating drawing

>> No.6200071

>when you don't have any comfort zone except symbol drawing like a 4 year old
life is pain

>> No.6200072

>enjoy drawing
>start trying new things
>love it
>fucking up, retry things, think in 3d to help build what i'm seeing
>see it slowly improving with each attempt
feels good

>> No.6200080

already made it even if he never makes art his main source of income

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better than what I can pull off. Lol

>> No.6200083

you're supposed to mix studying new stuff and doing stuff you enjoy
do something in your comfort zone every now and then, anon

>> No.6200084

I rarely go outside of my "comfort zone" with regards to subject matter but that pretty much just means I don't draw men or lardasses most of the time. I always push my boundaries in terms of technique and style, though, and it's a lot of fun.

>> No.6200087

drawing men was pretty much where i started, i found it pretty easy given how much easier it is to see the shapes that construct the muscles in the body, whereas with women i found them much harder to create

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We posting our artistic free association pages?

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I don’t know what I’m doing in particular

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>> No.6200117

A rock frozen in ice in the rough shape of a human heart.

>> No.6200118
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I'm gearing up to do some painting. Some brushes need replacing and I need some new paints but I should still be able to make some progress. Here we go . . .

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>> No.6200145

>look up video on how to draw X
>lmao just download this brush and it places X down for you
fuck you.

>> No.6200146

It's a shame because when I originally had it going I had in my mind Chardin but now this is grotesque. It's a strength to play to, but I am sad the better painting has gone.

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>> No.6200174

Yep, thanks. Going to spend a few hours on hand studies today. My anatomy and proportions are admittedly shit.

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>> No.6200180

You're supposed to gently push the boundaries of your comfort zone to expand it without burning yourself out. Jumping into the deep end completely out of your comfort zone takes a strong constitution.

>> No.6200187

I pushed out of my comfort zone, once. I got gang raped by a bunch of guys. It was terrible.
Last time I see Cats. Knew that shit looked gay.

>> No.6200215

>doing some studies
>make a mistake
>go to erase it
>results in grey shit smeared across the paper
digital chads... i kneel

>> No.6200217

There is no reason to learn on paper unless you're unable to acess a PC

>> No.6200222

draw lightly, problem solved

>> No.6200224

i have better concentration with paper when it comes to learning, since i can have resources dedicated to 100% screen space, i get distracted more when i use digital and have to squeeze things onto one screen
checked, i usually do but sometimes fucking parkinson's hands take over and i fuck up a line

>> No.6200227

I've read and grinded through Keys to Drawing, Perspective Made Easy and Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain. What other books do I need to read before starting to draw anything other than exercises from books?

>> No.6200228

why don't you just try drawing something and see how it goes

>> No.6200229

>sometimes fucking parkinson's hands take over and i fuck up a line
It's not your hand, but rather your brain
Your brain wants to see the lines you put down clearly. You must resist this urge, and draw lightly until youre done with your sketch

>> No.6200237

kneaded eraser

>> No.6200239
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fucking around with colored pencils

>> No.6200253

You're being too harsh on yourself. I like it. It's interesting to look at. A lot more structured and clearer than the shit I make. Gives the feeling of a hellish amusement park or something.
Very nice. I love the smoothness and the swirls. Makes me think of smoke or some turbulent waters. Having an actual eye in there is pretty neat as well.

>> No.6200261

I think it was the perspective. I'm using a bunch of references, including Anatomy for Sculptors, and was trying to take a flat hand reference for shape and proportion, but adjust it to a natural hand pose with slightly bent fingers, causing the fingers to extend out as far as they would when flat even though they aren't. A lot of people doing 3D tend to throw the reference underneath their model and just make the silhouette match exactly, but that seems like a bad crutch to me, and like something that will slow my progress long-term. It's important to me to really develop a good eye for form.

>> No.6200271
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I drew this
tell me it's shit

>> No.6200276

it's shit

>> No.6200279

please listen to your family and seek professional help to treat your mental illness, anon

>> No.6200289

body is fine, the head is awful.

>> No.6200294

How do I gain "soul"?

>> No.6200305

copy less. i think soul is just how much human thought was put into the piece. paintings that are copys of photographs are technically good but have zero soul because there is no human decision making behind it. the more problem solving and decision making in a peice the more "soul" it has, because its like a scan of the artist's brain. thousands of decisions of the artist are absorbed all at once by the viewer making the art compelling.

>> No.6200309

it was cruel of you to ask begs to draw this

>> No.6200310

Can you explain why?
My idea with having extremely stylized heads on more realistic bodies was to express a level of disconnection from the normal human condition, not sure if that comes across or matters though.

>> No.6200314

kek you're right, sorry. I'll make it easier for next thread.

>> No.6200315

cold hearted, even

>> No.6200318

Keep it up, anon. You're gonna make it. Creating art isn't about the finished piece, it's about the process. It's about exploration. It's about doing your best, because expecting anything more is impossible. The day you make something without fault is the day you stagnate.

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>> No.6200324

Beg here, so I don't really know shit, but the head looks disconnected from the body. It's like it's not attached to the neck.

>> No.6200325
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enjoyed paiting this but i dont know how to finish it. what do you guys think about the way it's painted?

>> No.6200327

no stylization still fits on appropriately. you can vary the size and style of something like the neck, but the spine still connects in the same place more or less.

>> No.6200330

I see what you mean, that's very helpful thanks

>> No.6200360

much appreciated anon

>> No.6200371

Thanks anon, you're cool

>> No.6200380

Where is the threadly challenge?

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>> No.6200385

how about you check the literal first post after OP, dumbfuck

>> No.6200391 [DELETED] 

White guy here. Im depressed because im devoid of any artistic talent. Whenever I see these highly skilled asian artists (god i fucking hate to admit this) i feel the urge to spam racial slurs and commit hate crimes.

>> No.6200394
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what do you think of my squid girl?

>> No.6200396

>what do you guys think about the way it's painted?
i think the colors look muddy. have to be really carful about mixing colors with pressure opacity strokes, or using multiply layers. it looks like the colors and values are copied from the reference instead of being picked based on the direction the form is facing relative to the light source. im only saying this because i have the same problems and i am really trying to avoid muddy colors right now

>> No.6200397
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how do i improve my figures?
study bridgman?

>> No.6200398

Well, these asians with 'talent' draw for 10 hours a day, 7 days a week. All while being solely focused on drawing. So if you're unwilling to do that much, having or not having talent literally does not matter. Because you will forever be unable to keep up due to a lack of time spent drawing rather than talent.

>> No.6200400

>there are people in current year that still don't know that they're capable of pretty much anything if they actually stop being a faggot and put in the effort to learn and improve

>> No.6200401

thanks actually very helpful, will keep in mind

>> No.6200408

I'd let her suck me off

>> No.6200424

>Having an actual eye in there is pretty neat as well.
Hid a lot of plant motifs as well. I think the rose is pretty obvious but there are also foxgloves, thistles, fiddleheads. I did another page like that when I was breaking in my first brush pen, but I never took a picture of that one.

>> No.6200445

I feel like they look stiff

>> No.6200446

You gave the Bridgman guy a dump truck

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>> No.6200461

I'll make a tutorial for you, desu

>> No.6200464

when are you going to move on from just studies and draw something anon?

>> No.6200470
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60 sec gestures
Haven't done these since forever

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Thank you. I'm asking this because I've never seen what such a thing done. The way scott does it is the oppose, he places the elipse first and uses that to find the length of the other side of the square.

>> No.6200474
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How do I learn body proportions and connections? I feel like ive been struggling with it forever, especially making stuff like >>6200397 where every time I try even principled figured it ends up being out of proportion, unusually made, even the circles feel wrong

>> No.6200477

grind boxes and cylinders
learn how to construct
study your fav artists and construct your ref

>> No.6200478

I've come to terms that I will never learn how to draw paint.
I dont have the energy, focus or willpower to sit down and start drawing for a couple hours straight.
My brain is so fucking broken after work that any attempt at focused practice is quickly ended by my lack of concentration.

Its too late for me.
Work + age (31) made it impossible to make it.

I dont even know why I thought it was a good idea.
Maybe I just liked the idea of being creative.
But the mental effort required to learn properly is simply too much for me.

Farewell anons.

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>> No.6200483

you might want to take adhd meds if it's affecting you this badly

>> No.6200485

can i see your completed work

>> No.6200486

no, he just needs to snap out of the laziness and stop making excuses

>> No.6200487


Im just too tired after work.
Mine is a mental work so I feel as if my brain was melting whenever I try to do something that requires the slightest amount of concentration.

Its not over because it never began.
Fuck my life.

>> No.6200488

See you tomorrow lad

>> No.6200489

if it's mental you can overcome it

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>> No.6200492

oh you're the fkey guy

>> No.6200494

Can you concentrate for 20 minutes? 10? 5? 2? Whatever the answer is, you should focus for that long, take a little break (5-10 minutes) then get back to it. Repeat over and over. This will slowly allow you to focus for longer at a time and you'll build drawing stamina in general. Check out the Pomodoro Technique. They suggest 25 minutes of something before taking a break, but you should just do what you're capable of and don't beat yourself up over what you're not capable of (yet).

>> No.6200502

are you the 10 minutes to draw guy

>> No.6200503

No, I have like 5 hours of free time.

>> No.6200505

this stinks of projection

>> No.6200508

literally just stop being lazy, if you like something then do it, how is that so hard for people to realise? you can always find time for something; and resorting to fucking medication is just retarded instead of dealing with the fact that you are weak and easily distracted

>> No.6200510

Youre either a children or simply retarded if you cant grasp the concept of being too tired from work to do anything else.

>> No.6200513

Retarded people aren't real according to that guy. Because everyone is born with the same genetics and brain. The only difference between someone with downs (which isn't real) and a 'regular' person is just the fact that one of them is too lazy to use their brain. I bet he doesn't even believe in bacterial infections simply because antibiotics are often prescribed when not strictly necessary.

>> No.6200518

>age (31)
Why on Earth do you think that's part of the issue? The only reason most of the old masters started as children (or "started" as in joining an art community, college or apprenticeship in their late teens or early twenties, having been self-taught up to that point) is that most people who would become masters were those with an inborn PASSION for artistry, as even during the era of patronage it was not an easy path through life for most. These were men who became artists because as children or adolescents in an environment where they had many choices of what work to which their hands would be dedicated (as in the case of da Vinci) or even in an environment where they were meant to be doing something radically different (as in the case of Michelangelo), they chose to dedicate their time to painting the things they saw. If you were not like this, and you want to attain mastery, rather than being a defeatist dwelling on the things you think might hold you back, the lesson I would take from their stories is instead that you should examine why exactly you wish to create art now when you did not as a child. Nothing is holding you back, but if you're starting at 31 something tells me that some social trend, rather than genuine passion, has stoked you to pursue this.

The handful of names who started later in life mostly ended up doing art as an amateur (regardless of the fact that they became very proficient at it) after retirement, a career shift or a loss of another hobby, like Charles Dellschau and Grandma Moses. These were people who did not pursue drawing and painting out of an inborn passion for it before other subjects, but to fill a hollow that formed in their later lives.

>> No.6200519

>comparing infections to taking medication because you have shit concentration and refuse to address it properly

>> No.6200521
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>draw a gesture 3 times
>turns out you memorize it

so it is like this huh
this is what "drawing from imagination" is like?

>> No.6200527

Yes. When you draw something several times, you store it in a 'visual library' which allow you to recall it when necessary. That's pretty much what learning to draw is. Of course there is mechanical skill involved, but what takes time is learning to exchange you 'symbols' for the real thing.
Nice work, anon. Keep it up. You're gonna make it.

>> No.6200528

Expanding your visual library to the point of gestures you've drawn before become ingrained is part of it yeah

>> No.6200529
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He told me to try it myself and all I have is an abomination. Andrew Loomis you conniving bastard.

>> No.6200531

I don't care if they're fake. They look great.

>> No.6200532
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This Loomis guy might've been onto something

>> No.6200533

Loomis is SHIT but you're literally doing the only thing he tells you not to - mindlessly copy his shit. Everything you posted looks flat as hell and completely ignores the point of the book.

>> No.6200534

Very nice, anon. You made heads with faces in perspective with recognizable facial features drawn from imagination. Now just draw more, and try to keep in mind the things that went wrong with these ones. Then do the same another 100 times and you'll see rapid improvement.

>> No.6200535

I've always had artistic inclinations, be it drawing/doodling as a kid, playing the guitar/bass or even painting miniatures and making dioramas.

The thing is, for some reason i've decided to come back to drawing after 13 years of not doing it and I've found myself I have a complete lack of focus due to how mentally fatigued I'm left after work.

The other artistic hobbies I used to have werent so taxing (I didnt set myself the purpose of actually learning how to do it well) which is why im feeling so disheartened right now.

As of purpose, the WHY, I dont really have one.
As I said I always had artistic (even if tasteless) inclinations.
I dont intend to work as an artist (altough I wouldnt mind, I really despise my job) and I take it as a hobby, but I desire to actually learn.

Turns out that 'actually learning' how to draw is a job in itself.

>> No.6200536
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it's okay to be a hobbyist and draw whenever you like, you don't owe anybody on the planet a goddamn thing.

>> No.6200541

Why do you have to learn how to draw? Just draw, m80. If it is something you enjoy, just enjoy it. Drawing with an empty mind is pretty relaxing. Do you enjoy playing sports? I'm shit at football, and if I compared myself to pros I am absolutely worthless. That doesn't stop it from being fun when I play with some buddies once in a blue moon.

>> No.6200543

Why are you bothering then? Do you want to draw your funny quirky OC? Do you plan on getting commissions in the future? Maybe it's just a hobby?
It sounds like you're learning art just because you're bored.

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Have you actually been diagnosed schizo?

I still don't understand the following illusion and study but apparently it has to do with how the brain processes edges and in schizos its different so they don't fall for the illusion whereas a normal person will think the back of the mask is protruding forward even when they consciously try to see the back as the hollow negative protrusion.

>> No.6200554
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also another cool study is this one where faces dont look weird even if the eyes and mouth are flipped the wrong way when the face is upside down.

>> No.6200560
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>flat as hell
You can't blame me this is not my fault. Clearly, Andrew Loomis has misguided me.
Thanks, and may you be blessed by Loomis as well.

>> No.6200570
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It's really fucking bad but i'm too drunk to do it better

hopefully you'll understand what i'm trying to say

>> No.6200581

Not that anon, but thanks for sharing. Had no problems understanding your explanation, so you're good on that front.

>> No.6200588
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>> No.6200589

It's the first step, drawing from memory. When you remember a lot of different things in a lot of different configurations, you gain two abilities: Mixing elements of those things to create new things and elements of those configurations to create new configurations (eg inventing poses from imagination; of course since there's a fairly small number of "natural" poses if you push that beyond reasonable limits you end up drawing jojo or mannerism pose shit), and being able to vividly imagine things you see in different configurations or from different angles that you cannot actually see. By benchmarking what you have seen based on your cumulative experience paying closer-than-usual attention to things, you're able to make reasonable inferences about perspectives that are not available to you or subjects that do not exist at all.

With gesture the reason people stress lines of action or lines of force so much is that once you understand those it makes drawing CONVINCING poses from imagination a lot easier. You may not understand why, but a pose where the force isn't being distributed anywhere just looks stiff and floaty no matter how much you bend the limbs, how much motion you put into your lines or anything else. Even when you're literally drawing floating or hanging figures, it's the sense that gravity is tugging on any limp part, or that parts are being pushed by water currents, that helps sell it.

>> No.6200595

I haven't drawn much this week. But I'll do better next week. Definitely better next week...

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Apologies for the shit lighting in advance, nothing in PS made it look any better.

I'm still studying proper things, honest.
Just needed a break with something else learning art is all about schedule control after all...

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Thank you for the imput anon, and don't worry, it reads well enough. I was assuming this was the method you were reffering to. But I haven't seen it anywhere else and I think it might just be an optical illusion. (sorry if I'm being a bother, I only wish to help). In picrel, i created 2 squares like you did, but in a 3d app (to make sure that the perspective would be correct), and checked your method. It doesn't like up. I checked multiple views, sometimes it doesn't even converge in the right place.

>> No.6200604

Good idea. If you're always practicing and never draw the things you actually want you'll burn out real fast.

>> No.6200609

I can see it both ways.
And in this one I'm familiar with the illusion (it becomes obvious when pointed out, but can trick the eye at a glance a lot of the time when well-executed), but this is a bad example since the original face is so uncanny. Because it's so wide and fat, the top lip doesn't look like a top lip, but two bottom lips side-by-side, and the extremely puffy lower eyelid and smooth top eyelid makes the eye as a whole look more natural when flipped even right-side-up (there are also some dynamics to do with the angle at which you see the eyelashes but that's less important here).

Anyway, not that anon but I had visual and auditory hallucinations paired with severe migraines in the absence of hallucinogenic drug use when I was a teenager, but around the time I stopped growing those things went away. Apparently a lot of adolescents suffer from symptoms of schizophrenia, psychopathy and/or autism that vanish in adulthood, which is also why psychiatrists can't diagnose someone under 18 with ASPD (there are droves of teens that are textbook psychopaths, but literally grow out of it and become empathetic adults, with an ASPD diagnosis being potentially life-defining and -ruining, though it's certainly a good idea to keep an eye on them to make sure they DO grow out of it).


>> No.6200615

Is this perspective or orthogonal?

>> No.6200624
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value study. been tryin forever to get better values but its hard.

>> No.6200628
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It is perspective, just a somewhat small FoV cone.
Here's another pic of 2 more examples. ( Blue lines are leading to the VPs, red lines are marking your method, green lines are marking the actual line from one corner to another.) As you can see, depending of the FoV, it seems to work, while in others, it's not even close. The right image is closer to what you drew, and it almost lines up.

>> No.6200629
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You were doing it wrong,

>> No.6200636

uhm. That's not what I was trying to showcase. Look at >>6200570's tutorial. I was not trying to extend the two planes, I was trying to see if, were I to attempt to transfer the vertical square to the horizonal plane (using the method in that tutorial), would that work.

>> No.6200644
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Notice how the blue middle line, which i have drawn at exactly 90 degrees, does not alight with the yellow middle line.

I drew the tutorial and original image in the 2 point perspective, since the yellow vertical lines are tilted in this image, it means that it's in a different perspective.

>> No.6200661
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>it means that it's in a different perspective.
You will need to account for the 3rd vanishing point in transfer and duplication

>> No.6200662

i think perspective sucks

>> No.6200669
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My bad yes, I forgot 3d does that. I made this example specifically to be 2 point, by putting the observer at the same height as the object. It still doesn't quite line up. Where did you get this information that this technique would work.

>> No.6200675
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Anon, what's your most honest and brutal critique on this?

>> No.6200678
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fkey 2010/10

>> No.6200680

You may want to lock it in orthogonal mode for this.

>> No.6200687

Have you enabled the ortho mode?

>> No.6200688
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Ok. I have tried turning on orthographic view. Still the same thing.

>> No.6200692

>fkey 2010/10
What did Anon mean by this?

>> No.6200693

Did you account for the lens distortion?

>> No.6200697

this is orthogonal view. By definition there is none.

>> No.6200700

It sucks.
The character just all around is bad. Anatomy proportions etc.
Piano isn't balanced appropriately and while the floating notes is a fun idea they need to have some sense of rhythm and weight if you want to bring them out like this.

>> No.6200701

then idk

how did bridgeman do it?

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To add to this, I even found the sweet spot where they line up. But as you can see, if I rotate it a little to the left or right, the two lines start to diverge ever so slightly. So it would see if you draw from this common, 45 degree-ish bellow horizon pov, it might seem to work, but as you rotate, it stops.

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>> No.6200707

Very boring pillow shading.

>> No.6200713
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You mean Scott Robertson? Well he admitted there is no easy way. My pic in >>6200471 show the part where he demonstrates it. If you look carefully, he draws an elipse, knowing that an elipse is a circle in perspective, then draws the box around it. (Since a rectangle drawn around a circle is a square.) Not the other way around. This assumes you have experience drawing elipses (he says to practice this a lot.) For further study, the way scott suggest to draw a perfect cube is also by basing the faces around elipses.

>> No.6200717

>pillow shading
I learned something today, thanks :)

>> No.6200719

>if I rotate it a little to the left or right, the two lines start to diverge ever so slightly

of course they'll diverge when you forgot about the 3rd vanishing point in 1 and 3rd case

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>> No.6200725

>So it would see if you draw from this common, 45 degree-ish bellow horizon pov, it might seem to work, but as you rotate, it stops

Yeah, anon, you're changing the perspective. Do you not understand how 3d software/irl works?

>> No.6200728

how is perspective real

>> No.6200731
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Drew all the lines from the middle top point to better illustrate

>> No.6200732

That's literally not pillow shading. There are some missing shadows but it's clear that the lightsource is above her. Plus all the shadows have hard edges. Pillowshading is when all the shadows are on the "outside" with the highlights in the "middle" (so there's no clear lightsource; even if the viewer WERE the lightsource, the edges would still be illuminated) and all the edges are soft.

>> No.6200733

it's not, desu. Our brains create the world we see.

What you perceive is not what actually exists. You live in an elusion created by your mind, which is why mental disorders fucking destroy you - they mess with the baseline illusion

>> No.6200735


To achieve a 2 point perspective camera so that your vertical lines are straight instead of following a vanishing point,do this


>> No.6200738

I am trying to prove wether or not this method of transfering a vertical square to the horizontal works with every angle. The typical to multiply a rectangle works at any angle in any perspective. This one does not see to.
My bad, have the 2 point all vertical straight example in >>6200669
Also, are you the original anon who made the tutorial?

>> No.6200741

>I am trying to prove wether or not this method of transfering a vertical square to the horizontal works with every angle. The typical to multiply a rectangle works at any angle in any perspective. This one does not see to

And you're not accounting for the 3rd vanishing point.

>> No.6200742

>The typical to multiply a rectangle works at any angle in any perspective
how is that done, desu

>> No.6200743
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like this

>> No.6200744

>>>6200731 (You)
>My bad, have the 2 point all vertical straight example in >>6200669
>Also, are you the original anon who made the tutorial?

Did you apply tilt shift to the camera when making this example?

>> No.6200747

isnt that literally how the other guy doing it?

>> No.6200750

No. That example show you how you can add another rectangle, in the same plane, of the same size. We are trying to find out of you can use a similar method, as show in>>6200471
to create a new rectangle, of the same size, but in a plane perpendicular to that one, like from the vertical plane to the horizontal.

>> No.6200752
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i havnt watched eric olsen in years but when you are drawing squares in perspective dont you have to do something like this?

>> No.6200755
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i'm getting excited /beg/bros. I figured out textures. also i don't get why everyone thinks drawabox is shit, i'm getting better every day and my boxes are in perspective.

>> No.6200761

>i havnt watched eric olsen in years but when you are drawing squares in perspective dont you have to do something like this?

that's what you do to create a view with minimal distortion

>> No.6200765

Yes. I can assure you the camera way standing perfectly horizontal. You can just go in and try it yourself, if you wish. Or ask me to verify other positions, I don't mind.

>> No.6200768

>standing perfectly horizontal
I'm not talking about the direction of the camera, anon

>> No.6200772

According to the video in >>6200735, this is all that is necesary to achive 2pp is to keep it horizontal. Changing the tilt is only necesary if you wish to view object much bellow/above the horizon, our example object not being one.
Also, I will ask this again:
Are you the person who made the original tutorial?

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Im starting to study hands, a personal flaw of mine. Anything i should know before, any tips?

>> No.6200779

It's everyone's personal flaw, LOL

>> No.6200783

>This assumes you have experience drawing elipses (he says to practice this a lot.) For further study, the way scott suggest to draw a perfect cube is also by basing the faces around elipses.

but how do you ensure that the diameter, when projected back into top view, doesn't change?

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how did Scott transfer the square though
what does he mean by starting point and with are already provided

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You can either eyeball it or do it the fucking complicated way. The choice is yours.

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i just did i the way how the tutorial anon showed me

>> No.6200798

Is there a tutorial on how to do this, desu?

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The way he words it is obtuse, but basically, he uses the elipse to find out ho long it has to be. The starting point, reffers to the fact that you know the elipse is adjecent to the lower side of the sqaure and the two perspective lines. Then you just draw the apropiate elipse degree and close of the box. (see picrel)
I have checked a ton of resources, and it seems to be quite litterally experience and intuition. I have looked for any more in depth resources, and there seems to be none. You just have to know the correct degree of the elipse by experience. Scott recomends drawing a lot of elipses over perspective grids to train.

>> No.6200802

>what did Anon mean by this?
What anon mean by this?

>> No.6200803

>I have checked a ton of resources, and it seems to be quite litterally experience and intuition. I have looked for any more in depth resources, and there seems to be none. You just have to know the correct degree of the elipse by experience. Scott recomends drawing a lot of elipses over perspective grids to train.

that anon's tutorial seems to work in the picrel doe desu >>6200795

>> No.6200804

Is there anything more soul crushing to someone who just started than all of this perspective autism?

>> No.6200810

Clean lines and tasteful rendering.

>> No.6200814

>The way he words it is obtuse, but basically, he uses the elipse to find out ho long it has to be. The starting point, reffers to the fact that you know the elipse is adjecent to the lower side of the sqaure and the two perspective lines. Then you just draw the apropiate elipse degree and close of the box. (see picrel)

i see

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>> No.6200818

It's a satanic deformation of truth, in reality parallel lines don't converge, but we choose not to listen and this "rebellion" marked the birth of modernity, along with protestantism's "lol the word of God is whatever the fuck we want xxDDd". And well, the path that started with perspective drawing i.e. the celebration of falsehood, inevitably lead us to HRT for children and cannibalism.

>> No.6200819

Sure, feel free to follow it. My only wish was to talk out stuff the tutorial op, but he seems to be gone. Wish you the best and have a good one, fellas, I'm out.

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It isn't, Brunelleschi made it up at the end of the middle ages as a prank on all post-medieval artists. It's the main reason pre-"Enlightenment" artwork is so soulful and appealing while modern art is all absolute soulless and soul-crushing garbage, whether it's "realistic" (ie actual subjects painted with the perspective basilisk) or "abstract" (ie a perspective painting with all the subjects removed, so it's pure, ugly, made-up maths).

>> No.6200822

>protestantism's "lol the word of God is whatever the fuck we want xxDDd"
To be fair, they learned it from watching Catholics.

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Made an edgy demon heart out of it

>> No.6200837

it's not. It's a illusion created by our monke brains so we could chase pussies through the tree tops instead of going bananas

>> No.6200840

Very Based.

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A sketch of a forearm I did. I think it turned out allright

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Thumbnail reads well, good job!

Good stuff anon, Well done

Thanks anon, also thanks to thread-anon for reposting my turtlefriend


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>> No.6200859

Only obese people have wrists that thick

>> No.6200890

don't be mean

>> No.6200891

>but I had visual and auditory hallucinations paired with severe migraines in the absence of hallucinogenic drug use when I was a teenager,

Fascinating, but traumatic I can imagine.

I have drug induced psychosis coupled with a strange relationship with sex, having been exposed to it and highly sexualized material at a young age, i never grew out of having some supressed memories. Basically I eventually figured out I had been roofied by someone gay, who basically gave me a fetish for "being the girl." Whether it was an unwanted fetish or maybe something inherent, discovering it that way, black out not remembering it was kinda spastic for me in my early 20s. (I found acid to be life changing, for better or for worse.)

>there are droves of teens that are textbook psychopaths, but literally grow out of it

I feel like I am somewhat stuck in my development but lately am actively trying not to be what is, essentially a textbook psychopath.( Flippant disregard for all rules and shie-za as the germans say, is a very useful tool whenever SHTF.)

I am worrying about losing my humanity over time, although honestly I guess I'm just not used to having such low self esteem.

This is my portfolio more or less: (NSFW)

>> No.6200892

some of these are alright but your coomer stuff is repulsive

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this one is unironically very cute.

>> No.6200916

>>what did Anon mean by this?
>What anon mean by this?
what mean dis?

>> No.6200921

I've always wanted to take classes, but not a "Ok, now we're all going to paint a wine glass <3" or a full college course. I only care about taking classes to learn how to draw and get started but I can't find anything like that in person

>> No.6200925

How exactly do you mean to learn how to draw if you're unwilling to draw simple shit to start out? You could probably find some advanced courses if you look around, but doing that will probably just leave you confused and dejected for being too shit to follow along. Before doing anything else you should humble yourself and realize that it will require a load of practice with a ton of different subjects if you want to get decent. Just save yourself some money and watch a couple of youtube videos instead as you're clearly going to give up soon anyway.

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>> No.6200936

Wow, you're right, learning online with the positivity from other beginners is so much better <3

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Lets GOOOOO beg

i kneel (out of respect)
The coloring is kinda... boring? I see spots where you tried to spice it up but its too little too late. And ofc low effort anime style face doesnt help at all
Reference, biology books, one of the billion books about the subject? Even loomis has book about drawing bodies. Or are you aiming to draw perfectly from imagination only?
LMAO that face. 9/10 meme
Why did you make decent body and then slapped low effort head on it? Anon are you scared of drawing faces?
You forgot to PYW anon
1. its good book 2. you forgot to PYW 3. if you actually read it it says dont worry it looks bad and continue
Nice background, now slap half naked anime girl on it and you will get many (You)s
Just take class and come in middle of semester then when they are drawing advanced stuff
So simple texture yet so effective and visually appealing. I have to learn this. Saved for study later

>> No.6200941

Pretty much everyone here is one or more steps closer to mastery than you on the simple basis that they actually draw, and don't make abitrary rules for themselves like not wanting to draw a wine glass. But you do you. I honestly do hope you succeed in your endavours, but I still think you have a shitty attitude for someone just starting out.

>> No.6200943

>body proportions and connections
Any book about drawing the figure will have a section devoted to this subject, whether it's Loomis or How to Draw Manga. Read those sections and then compare your drawings to what you've read.

>> No.6200949

>I see spots where you tried to spice it up but its too little too late.
Thank you, which spots exactly? And should I in general just add more variety of colors or something? What do you mean

>And ofc low effort anime style face doesnt help at all
How would a high effort anime style face look like in this case? Hard mode: they have their eyes closed

>> No.6200962

So clairvoyant, have you considered being a mind reader professionally anon? That you can do it over the internet is quite impressive.

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started brent eviston's course

>> No.6200973

Some simple /beg/ tips and tricks to hide your imperfections

>Can't draw equal proportions
use extreme foreshortening on 1 side or limb, the foreshortening hides the unequal proportions because people can't measure precisely
>Can't draw perspective
if you're having trouble with perspective its probably because you're using 1 or 2 point which isn't very equivalent to what you'd see in real life. try using 3 point perspective instead because its a closer approximation to real life.
alternatively use a fish eye lense to help hide your minor flaws.
>my colors look terrible!
use a simple color pallet and focus more on values and shading.
>my gestures suck but I don't want to draw stick men!
don't worry! the gesture exercise is just an exercise. if anything gesture is easier when you think of gesture as a human instead of stick figures because the natural curves of the body help emphasize motion.
>I can't think of any ideas except floating anime girls
you don't need to be creative. instead of trying to think of something new to draw, try drawing things you'd like to see but nobody ever seems to draw. for example if you looked up pokemon girls being raped by tentacruels but only for 2-3 drawings, try that.
>I'm too lazy to spend more than a few hours on a single image
its okay, we all get lazy sometimes.
using simple values and sprinkling a single highly saturated color is a cheat code to producing appealing works extremely quickly.

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does the hand i have drawn look right? the fingers are supposed to bent with the wrist bent back.

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Art is subjective. My advice is to find art you like and then copy it.

>> No.6200993

Thanks, the cringe of seeing my mistakes and mediocrity + areas I tried to cope/skimped out on is good motivation.

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I think my noses are improving already, I'm playing around with a mixture of Angel Ganev's construction methods along with Melkormancin's and it's something I already feel a lot more comfortable drawing. My two biggest issues at the moment are
>Understanding a good shape for the tip of the nose and the planes of the bottom portion of the nose overall
>Finding a more standardized construction for the nose that I am comfortable with
I think I'm on the cusp of meeting the second one at least but some advice would always be appreciated

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>> No.6201030

I mean that guy was probably right, but thanks :)

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The latest drawing I did, blah blah call me Chris Chan etc. I will do keys to drawing soon. I just wanna get my shit together. I don't understand how drawing with your eyes and quitting symbol drawing will help my style.

>> No.6201413

Ok thank you so much!!

>> No.6201785

Nice, whats the secret to texture?

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This is first time I try something like rendering stuff. Any advice?

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