/beg/ & /int/ - Beginner and Intermediate Thread

[Anonymous No.6199315]

If you are a /beg/inner or /int/ermediate in art, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice.
Use this thread instead of making new threads or post in the drawthread with fundamental exercises.

RESIZE YOUR IMAGES TO ~1000 PIXELS using one of the following methods:
1. screenshot the image and post that instead
2. change camera capture settings to something smaller
3. send to computer and resize in MSPaint

READ THE STICKY:

New collaborative sticky (anyone can edit): https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0Q
Completed: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit#bookmark=id.15jx3pyuimvj
Old: http://www.squidoo.com/how-to-draw-learn

RECOMMENDED BOOKS FOR BEGINNERS:
- Keys to drawing
- The Art and Science of Drawing
- Perspective Made Easy
- Perspective Drawing Handbook
- Vilppu Drawing Manual (and literally any other book made by Glenn Vilppu)
- Figure drawing for all it's worth (and literally any other book made by Andrew Loomis)
- Figure - Design and invention
- Pen and Ink
- The Natural Way To Draw

RECOMMENDED BOOKS FOR INTERMEDIATES:
- How to Draw by Scott Robertson
- How to Render by Scott Robertson
- Color and Light: A Guide for the Realist Painter by James Gurney
- Morpho: Anatomy for Artists (and Literally any other book made by Michel Lauricella)
- Anatomy for Sculptors

TRY TO BE ACTIVE AND GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK.
When giving feedback, avoid vague "advice" - point what's wrong and try to give the anon you're quoting a clear direction to improve their art (study heads < watch THIS VIDEO about head structure, read THIS SECTION of THIS ARTIST'S BOOK, etc).
You, feedback seeking anon, should also try to be clear and concise when asking for critique/help. When posting your artwork, say what you want help with, and what's your goal with the study/artwork.

https://youtu.be/a3uxMdokX68

Previous thread: >>6197299

[Anonymous No.6199316]

Today's Challenge:

[Anonymous No.6199328]

Did i transfer this elipse from the vertical to horizontal plane correctly?

[Anonymous No.6199329]

>>6199328
Yes, it's a perfect circle in perspective.

[Anonymous No.6199337]

>>6199329
I think i'm starting to get how the Scott Robinsons book works

[Anonymous No.6199342]

>>6199328
>>6199337
Props. Did you use any method to check if the square on the ground plane is perfect square (as opposed to rectangle), or just eyeball it?

[Anonymous No.6199351]

>>6199342

This was done on a grid so i just extended the lines, then used the rectangle duplicating method in perspective but instead of duplicating it on the vertical plane, i duplicated it on the ground plane.

[Anonymous No.6199354]

>>6199351
Which allowed me to perfectly-ish replicate the vertical plane

[Anonymous No.6199364]

>>6199316
What is that
also I clearly cant feel the form

[Anonymous No.6199371]

[Anonymous No.6199378]

this exercise is very unsettling for some reason

[Anonymous No.6199385]

>>6199351
>>6199354
Ah, the brewer method grid. I see. Makes sense, tho I'm still a bit confused, what technique is there to transfer the square from vertical to horizontal? I remember the techniques used to mirror it according to a given plane and to rotate it at a given angle by drawing an elipse and changing the VPs, but I'm assuming you didn't use either of those. Sorry if I'm being retarded.

[Anonymous No.6199387]

>>6199378
I added some fun faces and texture to make it less unsettling

[Anonymous No.6199394]

>>6199387
cute

[Anonymous No.6199399]

>>6199315
>bringing back the discord google doc
dumbass op

[Anonymous No.6199401]

beginner here, im looking to get a new display because of pic related (it's really distracting when drawing on a white canvas)
would a curved display mess with my lines all that much? Mainly looking at a curved ultrawide because im also a degen gamer but wont bother if it fucks with drawing

[Anonymous No.6199404]

>>6199399
You don't own the board, it came to a vote last thread and was decided that I should re-include it. Imagine being so triggered by a discord link, imagine not knowing how to not click on a link, just just close your eyes retard. This is the last (you), that (you)'ll be getting from me.
Sneed and Seeth faggot.

[Anonymous No.6199410]

>>6199401
I use a curved screen and haven't had any issues with drawing. Biggest thing is to make sure it's positioned properly.

[Anonymous No.6199413]

fuck me noses are hard to draw, I'll get it soon though

[Anonymous No.6199414]

First time trying to construct something from a ref pic. Should I keep doing stuff like this while I work on my basic shapes? Or do I just grind one of the figure drawing books in the OP?
And yes looking at it now I can see a million little errors but I'm not even sure if I should be bothering with this for now.

[Anonymous No.6199415]

>>6199404
you missed an e
>>6199414
those boobs cannot be real I don't believe it
any women in the thread want to prove me wrong?

[Anonymous No.6199416]

Does anyone have experience with courses from Domestika? There are a couple architectural drawing courses that look interesting @ $8 for 3-4 hours of video.

[Anonymous No.6199430]

>>6199385
The same technique that is used for duplication of a rectangle along one plane can be also used to duplicate it on a new adjoining plane. It works the same way but you just draw the point to find the new edge on a different plane, going through the bottom middle point

[Anonymous No.6199435]

>>6199430
https://youtu.be/J4iRyRs68A0

[Anonymous No.6199437]

Wew, boinked this so damn hard.
But I know how to fix it up a bit, next time should be better.
Ayy lmao.

[Anonymous No.6199440]

>>6199430
I'll draw an exam tomorrow, desu

[Anonymous No.6199441]

>>6199404
It's not staying in the OP, idiot. That's final.

[Anonymous No.6199443]

How am I supposed to draw on a screenless tablet? Should I rest the side of my hand on the tablet or should I let my hand hover over it? The latter feels like there's less risk of injuring my wrist but it's much harder to make accurate lines.

[Anonymous No.6199444]

>>6199441
pyw

[Anonymous No.6199445]

>>6199415
I've seen better, honestly. The fact tits like this exist and gay men are a thing proves that humanity is doomed to fail.

[Anonymous No.6199446]

Figured some artists might know who this guy is.

I can't find the artist who made the original but there is a spasming demon-like creature who I remember looking like this. It has a strange head shape like pyramid head. And a white face constantly jittering like a broken tv screen.

Most importantly the character is inky black and constantly convulsing. Anyone know the character?

[Anonymous No.6199449]

>when a random accuses you of homosexuality because you're not a degenerate and only draw what you find interesting which is SFW.
/beg/ friends...

[Anonymous No.6199450]

>>6199449
i think you're gay for posting this

[Anonymous No.6199451]

>>6199437
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGCSDLm0aXQ&ab_channel=DrawingArtAcademy
This video was extremely helpful pointing out proportion measurements, give it a watch and grind your Asaro heads anon, you're gonna make it

[Anonymous No.6199452]

>>6199446
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZh5YxDpuK4&ab_channel=_Boisvert
This one?

[Anonymous No.6199455]

>>6199315
tried drawing Kuwabara

[Anonymous No.6199459]

>>6199451
I'll check it out and of course continue the grind.

[Anonymous No.6199460]

drew Kuwabara

[Anonymous No.6199463]

draw this bag

[Anonymous No.6199465]

I'll just add children's books prose to the long list of things I need to work on

[Anonymous No.6199470]

>>6199465
I wouldn't be running in that situation
just saying

[Anonymous No.6199471]

>>6199452
THANK YOU!

Yes it's this one! I knew an artist would know of him.

[Anonymous No.6199472]

>>6199435
>>6199430
Interesting, I will have to look into it. Tho I don't see where it's shown in the video. He just shows the same basic techniques scott does. I don't understand what you're supposed to connect/intersect. So you find the lower middle of your square, then draw a line trough there from a corner and intersect, what? Or maybe you mean that you have another square marked by an elipse on the other vertical plane, and extend that one's bottom to find the length of the other side of the square?

[Anonymous No.6199486]

>>6199414
>Should I keep doing stuff like this while I work on my basic shapes?
Yes Yes Yes, keep doing these

[Anonymous No.6199493]

It's not much but coming from literally nothing about a week ago this feels amazing. Right Side of the Brain's modified contour student examples look WAY more advanced than mine and it's a little discouraging but I'll make it there eventually.

[Anonymous No.6199500]

Been working a little bit since >>6195508 and I feel much better about the shape of this one. Spent a lot of time looking at anatomy references and staring at my own hand.
I have a habit of making things way too flat as I work on anatomy references, then I try to fix it and turn the thing into a blobby mess. I need to focus much more on the proper 3d form of things from the get go and refine them, rather than doing tons of details that I then fuck up and make look horribly alien as I make major adjustments after the fact.

Mostly, I need to put in a lot more time and work. I've been investing like an hour every couple days. Don't have children if you value your free time.

[Anonymous No.6199519]

Work in progress

[Anonymous No.6199523]

>>6199519
Reminds me of Dishonored. Very cool. Hairline seems a tad blocky though.

[Anonymous No.6199527]

>>6199316
Filtered more than usual as I never considered something like ice much less something within it.
as I 'finished' it though I thought of a better way, but feels like it requires more effort and time at the moment.

[Anonymous No.6199536]

>>6199523
It's definitely Johnny Depp as Sweeny Todd.

[Anonymous No.6199603]

[Anonymous No.6199621]

>>6199486
I kept correcting every little mistake and this one ended up looking traced. Should I stop being this autistic? It's been roughly 2 months since I started drawing and I don't know if that'd just end with me fucking myself over.
I had a lot of fun but I feel like it became more of an accuracy exercise than a construction one by the end

[Anonymous No.6199623]

>>6199621
amazing progress for 2 months. Just keep doing what you're doing. Accuracy is a pre-req for construction anyways

[Anonymous No.6199634]

>>6199623
Thanks man. That one pic made me realize how much simple values can help with accuracy, so even if it was a meaningless construction exercise it made me learn something cool.

[Anonymous No.6199643]

>>6199414
Fake tits

[Anonymous No.6199679]

any courses or book that teach about inking?

[Anonymous No.6199680]

>>6199500
You have a habit of shit proportions too apparently, measure the length of your palm and compare it to your fingers you'll see what I mean

[Anonymous No.6199681]

Random pose made without reference to test myself somewhat. Legs are fucky, but I appreciate any other feedback I can get.

[Anonymous No.6199686]

I don't mean to change the topic, but what do you anons think about Keys to Drawing as a beginner book to learn from?

Personally I'm getting filtered hard by the second practice lesson about drawing your had pointed towards you. Ive been practicing for a month on just the first two lessons, but I keep fucking up. Nothing looks good. It doesn't even look like a hanf

[Anonymous No.6199699]

>>6199686
If you're spending so much time just learning to draw a hand, I would just switch over to larger, less complicated body structures for the time being. You could be learning more about multiple things in the time its taking you to struggle with the hand. Improve on perspective with things that dont have a million different parts. I also think the book is good, but if you dont end up actually enjoying drawing, you're gonna burn yourself out. Mix fun with studies

[Anonymous No.6199702]

>>6199686
It’s not supposed to look perfect anon, just keep going and reading further

[Anonymous No.6199729]

>>6199686
It's honestly not great. Don't bother with any of these boring copying books.

Focus on learning how to draw basic shapes, straight lines and curves, then learn volumes and perspective.

[Anonymous No.6199755]

>>6199493
I believe in you, anon

[Anonymous No.6199768]

How do you cope with the fact you will never be as good as infantile, 2 year old AI?
How do you cope with the fact human drawn/painted art will be completely irrelevant by the time you get decent at drawing?
How do you cope with the fact that the influx of "art" will make sure nobody ever sees or appreciates you work?

[Anonymous No.6199773]

>>6199768
How do you cope with the fact that you're an obnoxious quadruple nigger?

[Anonymous No.6199775]

>>6199773
Why are you so upset?
I'm asking legitimate questions.

[Anonymous No.6199780]

>>6199768
>>6199775
i like how at first glance it’s alright but then you look closer and literally every part of it is fucked

[Anonymous No.6199781]

>>6199775
No, you're not. You're advertising. Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.6199784]

>>6199768
idk man but tv didn't kill the movie theater so there's really nothing to worry about!

[Anonymous No.6199786]

>>6199775
You're an obnoxious fucking nigger, your question is retarded and doesn't belong itt
Go make another muh AI thread and cry about it there nobody here gives a fuck

[Anonymous No.6199788]

>AI schizos forced to pollute unrelated threads because by now everyone has filtered their keywords and nobody bothers replying to them

[Anonymous No.6199796]

>>6199679
There is Alphonso Dunn’s book, Jeff Watts has a pretty nice course on inking tho

[Anonymous No.6199799]

Okay so I know how to draw shapes pretty good in 3D now where do I go to start drawing details like eyes and noses and hands? I feel like I'm so stuck in symbol drawing when I try draw any human detail

[Anonymous No.6199802]

>>6199371
This is great, makes me want to get out the watercolors.

[Anonymous No.6199807]

>>6199699
Yeah, you're probably right. The book just says to draw your own hand in a weird perspective, and after a month it still looks bad. Maybe I'll move onto the next lesson.
>>6199702
I guess I'll keep going, but how long did it take for you to draw like that? My hand still looks like tumbler fanart. Maybe even worse.
>>6199729
Do you have any alternative books or sources to study from you reccomend?

[Anonymous No.6199815]

>>6199768
>shits up the beg thread with his AI nonsense
Truly the gayest shutcunt on this board right now

[Anonymous No.6199818]

>>6199788
>schizos
One. Single schizo on a mission to drown /ic in his filth. Look at this shit, I'm sure it's 50/50 neural net and fag behind it. Makima threads, forced tonyo-drama (all made up btw). All the same retard who clearly cannot draw, and obsessed with making /ic as worse as possible. A testament to how shit burger psychiatry is.

[Anonymous No.6199823]

>>6199415
>>6199643
>they've never seen skinny girls with ridiculously perky tits
Sad!

[Anonymous No.6199826]

>>6199807
>Do you have any alternative books or sources to study from you reccomend?
The Art and Science of Drawing by Brent Eviston. It has both a book and a video course.

[Anonymous No.6199836]

>>6199818
>trannime shit of any kind
hide
>frog pic
hide
>AI
hide
>sexualized pic
hide

Sure it leaves you with a really slow board but at least its bearable.

[Anonymous No.6199854]

>decide to stream art
>half my time spent fucking with the setup
>label it in the furry category cause fag
>1 viewer(s) (was probably myself)
>good enough
>start with some figures
>move on to anthro figure
> 2 viewers
>"hey can you do a sketch request?"
>sure, I haven't started anything I'm planning on finishing yet
>asks for MHA girl char turning into a werewolf with her tits out
>didn't sound furry
>don't usually draw women
>haven't drawn anime since middle school
>do it cause I don't have anything better to do yet
>sends refs
>start working on the figure
>simultaneously, crits the pose, the hands, the body type, the hands again
>all while I'm still getting rough sketch down
>"Oh also can you draw it in the anime's style"
>stop streaming when they cut off for a second
>send them a psd and a link to a trash thread
never again
if you find this go put it in a fucking ai
I stream once in more than a year, they've probably never seen any artwork I've done anyways AND it's excessive crit for "just a sketch" imo
I was expecting to make a doodle with decent effort but it turned into "make a commission-level drawing for me for free", piss off
Not gonna be a fucking printer for your niche hyper-specific coonime
1 hour lost, half an hour to type out the rant

[Anonymous No.6199873]

>>6199364
they call it a "heart"

[Anonymous No.6199878]

think im going to learn watercolor soon

[Anonymous No.6199881]

>>6199315
What's an "intermediate"?

[Anonymous No.6199883]

>>6199881
intermediate
ĭn″tər-mē′dē-ĭt
adjective
Lying or occurring between two extremes or in a middle position or state.

[Anonymous No.6199886]

>>6199883
I know what the dictionart entry for it is, but what does that mean in terms of artistic prowess? No everyone can intuitively grasp the meaning of those asian mom categories.

[Anonymous No.6199889]

>>6199826
>The Art and Science of Drawing by Brent Eviston
nta but i was planning to read KtD after finishing brent's, currently starting his contour lesson
should i even bother with KtD? considering both of them are teaching observational drawing
or should i just skip the book and continue with perspective?

[Anonymous No.6199894]

>>6199315
What books should I move onto after "You Can Draw In 30 Days"? Preferable something for a 'tard who's probably going to forget stuff instantly.

[Anonymous No.6199895]

>>6199889
There's nothing wrong with giving it a shot, you draw a lot of different things in Keys like your eyes at a 3/4 angle, although the drawing philosophies are different. Bert Dodson says don't worry about your line quality being shit, just focus on seeing and observing above everything else.

In my opinion the natural progression after Eviston's Art & Science course is his Art & Science of figure drawing course.
As for perspective, expanding on that is worth it if you really want to get into drawing good backgrounds with a sense of depth to them. If you want to focus primarily on drawing characters, just make sure you know how to draw, rotate, distort and combine simple volumes. If you want to learn perspective in further detail, watch the Marshall videos.

[Anonymous No.6199897]

>>6199681
I think you may benefit from studying muscular anatomy and how it changes depending on how the body articulates/flexes, particularly in the shoulders and chest area. For example his right chest muscle (pectoral) with the raised arm should be stretched upward and flattened out (see picrel), because the pectoral muscles connect to the front of the shoulder muscles (deltoids). Whenever you raise your arms this causes your pecs to flatten out. You can also see in the picrel that due to the angle of the pose, the deltoid is only barely visible from the rear because it is obscured by the arm muscles and pectorals.

https://youtu.be/CGBvbYEtwH8

This vid has a pretty good guide on shoulder anatomy, and groups it together with the back, chest and arm muscles, since they all work together.

[Anonymous No.6199902]

>when you see yourself improving yet you feel nothing
why even bother

[Anonymous No.6199906]

>>6199902
so quit lol

[Anonymous No.6199910]

>>6199895
thanks for the reply, anon
i really have no idea what's the content of keys other than its about observational drawing still, i'll give it a try and might skip the things i've already known from brent's to save time
also some anon suggest and even loomis (from his book) to some extent that i need to learn perspective before doing construction which is why after learning obsv. drawing my next stop would be perspective then followed by construction

[Anonymous No.6199912]

[Anonymous No.6199924]

>>6199910
if you've been doing brent's course, you've learned enough linear perspective to get into figure drawing.

[Anonymous No.6199930]

Do illustrators like loomis paint the color in their work like a normal painter or do they use some other toolset? Wondering what the best way to get into color is.

[Anonymous No.6199967]

>>6199315
Cute tort

[Anonymous No.6200000]

What do you guys think of my man-fly-pig?

[Anonymous No.6200017]

>>6200000
Checked, I raise you a frog

[Anonymous No.6200030]

schizobeg bros where we at?

[Anonymous No.6200033]

>>6199818
>it's because he's american!
Calm down there, smoky. There is a strong to certain chance that he's not even American. He consistently becomes active in the middle of the night in America. I'd say it was likely he was Australian, but his poor English means he's probably a SEAnigger or a chink (the latter would scan with shilling AI constantly). He could also be a European, of course (it's morning in Europe when he starts posting most of the time, and his posting window tends to be relatively brief either way, making it likely he posts in either the morning or evening wherever he is).

[Anonymous No.6200039]

>>6199818
its.only two threads faggot, we're witnessing the end of art and artists and two threads are too much for you

[Anonymous No.6200041]

>>6200030
reporting in

[Anonymous No.6200042]

>>6200039
Y'know, I'd you actually believed any of your doom and woe, you would have offed yourself a long time ago. Let it go brother.

[Anonymous No.6200050]

>>6200042
Art for me is just a hobby, but still I'm really upset we all got demolished by IT fags this badly.

[Anonymous No.6200052]

Fuck off to a hidden shill thread retard.

[Anonymous No.6200065]

I love drawing so much bros

[Anonymous No.6200066]

>>6200065
rare gmi

[Anonymous No.6200069]

>>6200065
>start enjoying drawing
>decide to start branching out and going out of my comfort zone
>start hating drawing

[Anonymous No.6200071]

>>6200069
>when you don't have any comfort zone except symbol drawing like a 4 year old
life is pain

[Anonymous No.6200072]

>>6200069
>enjoy drawing
>start trying new things
>love it
>fucking up, retry things, think in 3d to help build what i'm seeing
>see it slowly improving with each attempt
feels good

[Anonymous No.6200080]

>>6200066
already made it even if he never makes art his main source of income

[Anonymous No.6200082]

>>6200041
better than what I can pull off. Lol

[Anonymous No.6200083]

>>6200069
you're supposed to mix studying new stuff and doing stuff you enjoy
do something in your comfort zone every now and then, anon

[Anonymous No.6200084]

>>6200069
I rarely go outside of my "comfort zone" with regards to subject matter but that pretty much just means I don't draw men or lardasses most of the time. I always push my boundaries in terms of technique and style, though, and it's a lot of fun.

[Anonymous No.6200087]

>>6200084
drawing men was pretty much where i started, i found it pretty easy given how much easier it is to see the shapes that construct the muscles in the body, whereas with women i found them much harder to create

[Anonymous No.6200088]

>>6200041
We posting our artistic free association pages?

[Anonymous No.6200105]

I don’t know what I’m doing in particular

[Anonymous No.6200114]

>>6199316

[Anonymous No.6200117]

>>6199364
A rock frozen in ice in the rough shape of a human heart.

[Anonymous No.6200118]

I'm gearing up to do some painting. Some brushes need replacing and I need some new paints but I should still be able to make some progress. Here we go . . .

[Anonymous No.6200140]

[Anonymous No.6200145]

>look up video on how to draw X
>lmao just download this brush and it places X down for you
fuck you.

[Anonymous No.6200146]

It's a shame because when I originally had it going I had in my mind Chardin but now this is grotesque. It's a strength to play to, but I am sad the better painting has gone.

[Anonymous No.6200153]

[Anonymous No.6200156]

>>6200153

[Anonymous No.6200174]

>>6199680
Yep, thanks. Going to spend a few hours on hand studies today. My anatomy and proportions are admittedly shit.

[Anonymous No.6200179]

>>6199912
nice

[Anonymous No.6200180]

>>6200069
You're supposed to gently push the boundaries of your comfort zone to expand it without burning yourself out. Jumping into the deep end completely out of your comfort zone takes a strong constitution.

[Anonymous No.6200187]

>>6200180
I pushed out of my comfort zone, once. I got gang raped by a bunch of guys. It was terrible.
Last time I see Cats. Knew that shit looked gay.

[Anonymous No.6200215]

>doing some studies
>make a mistake
>go to erase it
>results in grey shit smeared across the paper
digital chads... i kneel

[Anonymous No.6200217]

>>6200215
There is no reason to learn on paper unless you're unable to acess a PC

[Anonymous No.6200222]

>>6200215
draw lightly, problem solved

[Anonymous No.6200224]

>>6200217
i have better concentration with paper when it comes to learning, since i can have resources dedicated to 100% screen space, i get distracted more when i use digital and have to squeeze things onto one screen
>>6200222
checked, i usually do but sometimes fucking parkinson's hands take over and i fuck up a line

[Anonymous No.6200227]

I've read and grinded through Keys to Drawing, Perspective Made Easy and Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain. What other books do I need to read before starting to draw anything other than exercises from books?

[Anonymous No.6200228]

>>6200227
why don't you just try drawing something and see how it goes

[Anonymous No.6200229]

>>6200224
>sometimes fucking parkinson's hands take over and i fuck up a line
It's not your hand, but rather your brain
Your brain wants to see the lines you put down clearly. You must resist this urge, and draw lightly until youre done with your sketch

[Anonymous No.6200237]

>>6200215
kneaded eraser

[Anonymous No.6200239]

fucking around with colored pencils

[Anonymous No.6200253]

>>6200082
You're being too harsh on yourself. I like it. It's interesting to look at. A lot more structured and clearer than the shit I make. Gives the feeling of a hellish amusement park or something.
>>6200088
Very nice. I love the smoothness and the swirls. Makes me think of smoke or some turbulent waters. Having an actual eye in there is pretty neat as well.

[Anonymous No.6200261]

>>6200174
>>6199680
I think it was the perspective. I'm using a bunch of references, including Anatomy for Sculptors, and was trying to take a flat hand reference for shape and proportion, but adjust it to a natural hand pose with slightly bent fingers, causing the fingers to extend out as far as they would when flat even though they aren't. A lot of people doing 3D tend to throw the reference underneath their model and just make the silhouette match exactly, but that seems like a bad crutch to me, and like something that will slow my progress long-term. It's important to me to really develop a good eye for form.

[Anonymous No.6200271]

I drew this
tell me it's shit

[Anonymous No.6200276]

it's shit

[Anonymous No.6200279]

>>6200271
please listen to your family and seek professional help to treat your mental illness, anon

[Anonymous No.6200289]

>>6200271
body is fine, the head is awful.

[Anonymous No.6200294]

How do I gain "soul"?

[Anonymous No.6200305]

>>6200294
copy less. i think soul is just how much human thought was put into the piece. paintings that are copys of photographs are technically good but have zero soul because there is no human decision making behind it. the more problem solving and decision making in a peice the more "soul" it has, because its like a scan of the artist's brain. thousands of decisions of the artist are absorbed all at once by the viewer making the art compelling.

[Anonymous No.6200309]

>>6199316
it was cruel of you to ask begs to draw this

[Anonymous No.6200310]

>>6200289
Can you explain why?
My idea with having extremely stylized heads on more realistic bodies was to express a level of disconnection from the normal human condition, not sure if that comes across or matters though.

[Anonymous No.6200314]

>>6200309
kek you're right, sorry. I'll make it easier for next thread.

[Anonymous No.6200315]

>>6200309
cold hearted, even

[Anonymous No.6200318]

>>6200271
Keep it up, anon. You're gonna make it. Creating art isn't about the finished piece, it's about the process. It's about exploration. It's about doing your best, because expecting anything more is impossible. The day you make something without fault is the day you stagnate.

[Anonymous No.6200321]

[Anonymous No.6200322]

>>6200030

[Anonymous No.6200324]

>>6200310
Beg here, so I don't really know shit, but the head looks disconnected from the body. It's like it's not attached to the neck.

[Anonymous No.6200325]

enjoyed paiting this but i dont know how to finish it. what do you guys think about the way it's painted?

[Anonymous No.6200327]

>>6200310
no stylization still fits on appropriately. you can vary the size and style of something like the neck, but the spine still connects in the same place more or less.

[Anonymous No.6200330]

>>6200324
>>6200327
I see what you mean, that's very helpful thanks

[Anonymous No.6200360]

>>6199897
much appreciated anon

[Anonymous No.6200371]

>>6200318
Thanks anon, you're cool

[Anonymous No.6200380]

>>6199315
Where is the threadly challenge?

[Anonymous No.6200384]

>>6200380
retard

[Anonymous No.6200385]

>>6200380
how about you check the literal first post after OP, dumbfuck

[Anonymous No.6200391]

White guy here. Im depressed because im devoid of any artistic talent. Whenever I see these highly skilled asian artists (god i fucking hate to admit this) i feel the urge to spam racial slurs and commit hate crimes.

[Anonymous No.6200394]

what do you think of my squid girl?

[Anonymous No.6200396]

>>6200325
>what do you guys think about the way it's painted?
i think the colors look muddy. have to be really carful about mixing colors with pressure opacity strokes, or using multiply layers. it looks like the colors and values are copied from the reference instead of being picked based on the direction the form is facing relative to the light source. im only saying this because i have the same problems and i am really trying to avoid muddy colors right now

[Anonymous No.6200397]

how do i improve my figures?
study bridgman?

[Anonymous No.6200398]

>>6200391
Well, these asians with 'talent' draw for 10 hours a day, 7 days a week. All while being solely focused on drawing. So if you're unwilling to do that much, having or not having talent literally does not matter. Because you will forever be unable to keep up due to a lack of time spent drawing rather than talent.

[Anonymous No.6200400]

>there are people in current year that still don't know that they're capable of pretty much anything if they actually stop being a faggot and put in the effort to learn and improve

[Anonymous No.6200401]

>>6200396
thanks actually very helpful, will keep in mind

[Anonymous No.6200408]

>>6200394
I'd let her suck me off

[Anonymous No.6200424]

>>6200253
>Having an actual eye in there is pretty neat as well.
Hid a lot of plant motifs as well. I think the rose is pretty obvious but there are also foxgloves, thistles, fiddleheads. I did another page like that when I was breaking in my first brush pen, but I never took a picture of that one.

[Anonymous No.6200445]

>>6200397
I feel like they look stiff

[Anonymous No.6200446]

>>6199912
You gave the Bridgman guy a dump truck

[Anonymous No.6200459]

[Anonymous No.6200461]

>>6199472
I'll make a tutorial for you, desu

[Anonymous No.6200464]

>>6200459
when are you going to move on from just studies and draw something anon?

[Anonymous No.6200470]

60 sec gestures
Haven't done these since forever

[Anonymous No.6200471]

>>6200461
Thank you. I'm asking this because I've never seen what such a thing done. The way scott does it is the oppose, he places the elipse first and uses that to find the length of the other side of the square.

[Anonymous No.6200474]

>>6199315
How do I learn body proportions and connections? I feel like ive been struggling with it forever, especially making stuff like >>6200397 where every time I try even principled figured it ends up being out of proportion, unusually made, even the circles feel wrong

[Anonymous No.6200477]

>>6200474
grind boxes and cylinders
learn how to construct
study your fav artists and construct your ref

[Anonymous No.6200478]

I've come to terms that I will never learn how to draw paint.
I dont have the energy, focus or willpower to sit down and start drawing for a couple hours straight.
My brain is so fucking broken after work that any attempt at focused practice is quickly ended by my lack of concentration.

Its too late for me.
Work + age (31) made it impossible to make it.

I dont even know why I thought it was a good idea.
Maybe I just liked the idea of being creative.
But the mental effort required to learn properly is simply too much for me.

Farewell anons.

[Anonymous No.6200481]

>>6200478
wrong

[Anonymous No.6200483]

>>6200478
you might want to take adhd meds if it's affecting you this badly

[Anonymous No.6200485]

>>6200470
can i see your completed work

[Anonymous No.6200486]

>>6200483
>medication
no, he just needs to snap out of the laziness and stop making excuses

[Anonymous No.6200487]

>>6200481
>>6200483

Im just too tired after work.
Mine is a mental work so I feel as if my brain was melting whenever I try to do something that requires the slightest amount of concentration.

Its not over because it never began.
Fuck my life.

[Anonymous No.6200488]

>>6200478
See you tomorrow lad

[Anonymous No.6200489]

>>6200487
if it's mental you can overcome it

[Anonymous No.6200491]

>>6200485
here
>>6199230

[Anonymous No.6200492]

>>6200491
oh you're the fkey guy

[Anonymous No.6200494]

>>6200487
Can you concentrate for 20 minutes? 10? 5? 2? Whatever the answer is, you should focus for that long, take a little break (5-10 minutes) then get back to it. Repeat over and over. This will slowly allow you to focus for longer at a time and you'll build drawing stamina in general. Check out the Pomodoro Technique. They suggest 25 minutes of something before taking a break, but you should just do what you're capable of and don't beat yourself up over what you're not capable of (yet).

[Anonymous No.6200502]

>>6200478
>>6200487
are you the 10 minutes to draw guy

[Anonymous No.6200503]

>>6200502
No, I have like 5 hours of free time.

[Anonymous No.6200505]

>>6200486
this stinks of projection

[Anonymous No.6200508]

>>6200505
literally just stop being lazy, if you like something then do it, how is that so hard for people to realise? you can always find time for something; and resorting to fucking medication is just retarded instead of dealing with the fact that you are weak and easily distracted

[Anonymous No.6200510]

>>6200508
Youre either a children or simply retarded if you cant grasp the concept of being too tired from work to do anything else.

[Anonymous No.6200513]

>>6200510
Retarded people aren't real according to that guy. Because everyone is born with the same genetics and brain. The only difference between someone with downs (which isn't real) and a 'regular' person is just the fact that one of them is too lazy to use their brain. I bet he doesn't even believe in bacterial infections simply because antibiotics are often prescribed when not strictly necessary.

[Anonymous No.6200518]

>>6200478
>age (31)
Why on Earth do you think that's part of the issue? The only reason most of the old masters started as children (or "started" as in joining an art community, college or apprenticeship in their late teens or early twenties, having been self-taught up to that point) is that most people who would become masters were those with an inborn PASSION for artistry, as even during the era of patronage it was not an easy path through life for most. These were men who became artists because as children or adolescents in an environment where they had many choices of what work to which their hands would be dedicated (as in the case of da Vinci) or even in an environment where they were meant to be doing something radically different (as in the case of Michelangelo), they chose to dedicate their time to painting the things they saw. If you were not like this, and you want to attain mastery, rather than being a defeatist dwelling on the things you think might hold you back, the lesson I would take from their stories is instead that you should examine why exactly you wish to create art now when you did not as a child. Nothing is holding you back, but if you're starting at 31 something tells me that some social trend, rather than genuine passion, has stoked you to pursue this.

The handful of names who started later in life mostly ended up doing art as an amateur (regardless of the fact that they became very proficient at it) after retirement, a career shift or a loss of another hobby, like Charles Dellschau and Grandma Moses. These were people who did not pursue drawing and painting out of an inborn passion for it before other subjects, but to fill a hollow that formed in their later lives.

[Anonymous No.6200519]

>>6200513
>comparing infections to taking medication because you have shit concentration and refuse to address it properly
amerimutts

[Anonymous No.6200521]

[Anonymous No.6200522]

>draw a gesture 3 times
>turns out you memorize it

so it is like this huh
this is what "drawing from imagination" is like?

[Anonymous No.6200527]

>>6200522
Yes. When you draw something several times, you store it in a 'visual library' which allow you to recall it when necessary. That's pretty much what learning to draw is. Of course there is mechanical skill involved, but what takes time is learning to exchange you 'symbols' for the real thing.
Nice work, anon. Keep it up. You're gonna make it.

[Anonymous No.6200528]

>>6200522
Expanding your visual library to the point of gestures you've drawn before become ingrained is part of it yeah

[Anonymous No.6200529]

He told me to try it myself and all I have is an abomination. Andrew Loomis you conniving bastard.

[Anonymous No.6200531]

>>6199414
I don't care if they're fake. They look great.

[Anonymous No.6200532]

This Loomis guy might've been onto something

[Anonymous No.6200533]

>>6200532
>>6200529
>>6200521
Loomis is SHIT but you're literally doing the only thing he tells you not to - mindlessly copy his shit. Everything you posted looks flat as hell and completely ignores the point of the book.

[Anonymous No.6200534]

>>6200529
>>6200532
Very nice, anon. You made heads with faces in perspective with recognizable facial features drawn from imagination. Now just draw more, and try to keep in mind the things that went wrong with these ones. Then do the same another 100 times and you'll see rapid improvement.

[Anonymous No.6200535]

>>6200518
I've always had artistic inclinations, be it drawing/doodling as a kid, playing the guitar/bass or even painting miniatures and making dioramas.

The thing is, for some reason i've decided to come back to drawing after 13 years of not doing it and I've found myself I have a complete lack of focus due to how mentally fatigued I'm left after work.

The other artistic hobbies I used to have werent so taxing (I didnt set myself the purpose of actually learning how to do it well) which is why im feeling so disheartened right now.

As of purpose, the WHY, I dont really have one.
As I said I always had artistic (even if tasteless) inclinations.
I dont intend to work as an artist (altough I wouldnt mind, I really despise my job) and I take it as a hobby, but I desire to actually learn.

Turns out that 'actually learning' how to draw is a job in itself.

[Anonymous No.6200536]

>>6200478
>>6200487
>>6199230
it's okay to be a hobbyist and draw whenever you like, you don't owe anybody on the planet a goddamn thing.

[Anonymous No.6200541]

>>6200535
Why do you have to learn how to draw? Just draw, m80. If it is something you enjoy, just enjoy it. Drawing with an empty mind is pretty relaxing. Do you enjoy playing sports? I'm shit at football, and if I compared myself to pros I am absolutely worthless. That doesn't stop it from being fun when I play with some buddies once in a blue moon.

[Anonymous No.6200543]

>>6200535
Why are you bothering then? Do you want to draw your funny quirky OC? Do you plan on getting commissions in the future? Maybe it's just a hobby?
It sounds like you're learning art just because you're bored.

[Anonymous No.6200553]

>>6200030

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_processing_abnormalities_in_schizophrenia

Have you actually been diagnosed schizo?

I still don't understand the following illusion and study but apparently it has to do with how the brain processes edges and in schizos its different so they don't fall for the illusion whereas a normal person will think the back of the mask is protruding forward even when they consciously try to see the back as the hollow negative protrusion.

[Anonymous No.6200554]

>>6200553

also another cool study is this one where faces dont look weird even if the eyes and mouth are flipped the wrong way when the face is upside down.

[Anonymous No.6200560]

>>6200533
>flat as hell
You can't blame me this is not my fault. Clearly, Andrew Loomis has misguided me.
>>6200534
Thanks, and may you be blessed by Loomis as well.

[Anonymous No.6200570]

>>6200471

It's really fucking bad but i'm too drunk to do it better

hopefully you'll understand what i'm trying to say

[Anonymous No.6200581]

>>6200570
Not that anon, but thanks for sharing. Had no problems understanding your explanation, so you're good on that front.

[Anonymous No.6200588]

[Anonymous No.6200589]

>>6200522
It's the first step, drawing from memory. When you remember a lot of different things in a lot of different configurations, you gain two abilities: Mixing elements of those things to create new things and elements of those configurations to create new configurations (eg inventing poses from imagination; of course since there's a fairly small number of "natural" poses if you push that beyond reasonable limits you end up drawing jojo or mannerism pose shit), and being able to vividly imagine things you see in different configurations or from different angles that you cannot actually see. By benchmarking what you have seen based on your cumulative experience paying closer-than-usual attention to things, you're able to make reasonable inferences about perspectives that are not available to you or subjects that do not exist at all.

With gesture the reason people stress lines of action or lines of force so much is that once you understand those it makes drawing CONVINCING poses from imagination a lot easier. You may not understand why, but a pose where the force isn't being distributed anywhere just looks stiff and floaty no matter how much you bend the limbs, how much motion you put into your lines or anything else. Even when you're literally drawing floating or hanging figures, it's the sense that gravity is tugging on any limp part, or that parts are being pushed by water currents, that helps sell it.

[Anonymous No.6200595]

I haven't drawn much this week. But I'll do better next week. Definitely better next week...

[Anonymous No.6200598]

Apologies for the shit lighting in advance, nothing in PS made it look any better.

I'm still studying proper things, honest.
Just needed a break with something else learning art is all about schedule control after all...

[Anonymous No.6200603]

>>6200570
Thank you for the imput anon, and don't worry, it reads well enough. I was assuming this was the method you were reffering to. But I haven't seen it anywhere else and I think it might just be an optical illusion. (sorry if I'm being a bother, I only wish to help). In picrel, i created 2 squares like you did, but in a 3d app (to make sure that the perspective would be correct), and checked your method. It doesn't like up. I checked multiple views, sometimes it doesn't even converge in the right place.

[Anonymous No.6200604]

>>6200598
Good idea. If you're always practicing and never draw the things you actually want you'll burn out real fast.

[Anonymous No.6200609]

>>6200553
I can see it both ways.
>>6200554
And in this one I'm familiar with the illusion (it becomes obvious when pointed out, but can trick the eye at a glance a lot of the time when well-executed), but this is a bad example since the original face is so uncanny. Because it's so wide and fat, the top lip doesn't look like a top lip, but two bottom lips side-by-side, and the extremely puffy lower eyelid and smooth top eyelid makes the eye as a whole look more natural when flipped even right-side-up (there are also some dynamics to do with the angle at which you see the eyelashes but that's less important here).

Anyway, not that anon but I had visual and auditory hallucinations paired with severe migraines in the absence of hallucinogenic drug use when I was a teenager, but around the time I stopped growing those things went away. Apparently a lot of adolescents suffer from symptoms of schizophrenia, psychopathy and/or autism that vanish in adulthood, which is also why psychiatrists can't diagnose someone under 18 with ASPD (there are droves of teens that are textbook psychopaths, but literally grow out of it and become empathetic adults, with an ASPD diagnosis being potentially life-defining and -ruining, though it's certainly a good idea to keep an eye on them to make sure they DO grow out of it).

>>6200588
Cute!

[Anonymous No.6200615]

>>6200603
Is this perspective or orthogonal?

[Anonymous No.6200624]

value study. been tryin forever to get better values but its hard.

[Anonymous No.6200628]

>>6200615
It is perspective, just a somewhat small FoV cone.
Here's another pic of 2 more examples. ( Blue lines are leading to the VPs, red lines are marking your method, green lines are marking the actual line from one corner to another.) As you can see, depending of the FoV, it seems to work, while in others, it's not even close. The right image is closer to what you drew, and it almost lines up.

[Anonymous No.6200629]

>>6200603
You were doing it wrong,

[Anonymous No.6200636]

>>6200629
uhm. That's not what I was trying to showcase. Look at >>6200570's tutorial. I was not trying to extend the two planes, I was trying to see if, were I to attempt to transfer the vertical square to the horizonal plane (using the method in that tutorial), would that work.

[Anonymous No.6200644]

>>6200628

Notice how the blue middle line, which i have drawn at exactly 90 degrees, does not alight with the yellow middle line.

I drew the tutorial and original image in the 2 point perspective, since the yellow vertical lines are tilted in this image, it means that it's in a different perspective.

[Anonymous No.6200661]

>>6200644
>it means that it's in a different perspective.
You will need to account for the 3rd vanishing point in transfer and duplication

[Anonymous No.6200662]

i think perspective sucks

[Anonymous No.6200669]

>>6200661
>>6200644
My bad yes, I forgot 3d does that. I made this example specifically to be 2 point, by putting the observer at the same height as the object. It still doesn't quite line up. Where did you get this information that this technique would work.

[Anonymous No.6200675]

>>6199315
Anon, what's your most honest and brutal critique on this?

[Anonymous No.6200678]

>>6200675
fkey 2010/10

[Anonymous No.6200680]

>>6200669
You may want to lock it in orthogonal mode for this.

[Anonymous No.6200687]

>>6200669
Have you enabled the ortho mode?

[Anonymous No.6200688]

>>6200680
>>6200687
Ok. I have tried turning on orthographic view. Still the same thing.

[Anonymous No.6200692]

>>6200678
>fkey 2010/10
What did Anon mean by this?

[Anonymous No.6200693]

>>6200688
Did you account for the lens distortion?

[Anonymous No.6200697]

>>6200693
this is orthogonal view. By definition there is none.

[Anonymous No.6200700]

>>6200675
It sucks.
The character just all around is bad. Anatomy proportions etc.
Piano isn't balanced appropriately and while the floating notes is a fun idea they need to have some sense of rhythm and weight if you want to bring them out like this.

[Anonymous No.6200701]

>>6200697
then idk

how did bridgeman do it?

[Anonymous No.6200702]

>>6200688
To add to this, I even found the sweet spot where they line up. But as you can see, if I rotate it a little to the left or right, the two lines start to diverge ever so slightly. So it would see if you draw from this common, 45 degree-ish bellow horizon pov, it might seem to work, but as you rotate, it stops.

[Anonymous No.6200704]

>>6200700
Okay

[Anonymous No.6200707]

>>6200675
Very boring pillow shading.

[Anonymous No.6200713]

>>6200701
You mean Scott Robertson? Well he admitted there is no easy way. My pic in >>6200471 show the part where he demonstrates it. If you look carefully, he draws an elipse, knowing that an elipse is a circle in perspective, then draws the box around it. (Since a rectangle drawn around a circle is a square.) Not the other way around. This assumes you have experience drawing elipses (he says to practice this a lot.) For further study, the way scott suggest to draw a perfect cube is also by basing the faces around elipses.

[Anonymous No.6200717]

>>6200707
>pillow shading
I learned something today, thanks :)

[Anonymous No.6200719]

>>6200702
>if I rotate it a little to the left or right, the two lines start to diverge ever so slightly

of course they'll diverge when you forgot about the 3rd vanishing point in 1 and 3rd case

[Anonymous No.6200720]

>>6200719

[Anonymous No.6200725]

>>6200702
>So it would see if you draw from this common, 45 degree-ish bellow horizon pov, it might seem to work, but as you rotate, it stops

Yeah, anon, you're changing the perspective. Do you not understand how 3d software/irl works?

[Anonymous No.6200728]

how is perspective real

[Anonymous No.6200731]

>>6200720

Drew all the lines from the middle top point to better illustrate

[Anonymous No.6200732]

>>6200707
That's literally not pillow shading. There are some missing shadows but it's clear that the lightsource is above her. Plus all the shadows have hard edges. Pillowshading is when all the shadows are on the "outside" with the highlights in the "middle" (so there's no clear lightsource; even if the viewer WERE the lightsource, the edges would still be illuminated) and all the edges are soft.

[Anonymous No.6200733]

>>6200728
it's not, desu. Our brains create the world we see.

What you perceive is not what actually exists. You live in an elusion created by your mind, which is why mental disorders fucking destroy you - they mess with the baseline illusion

[Anonymous No.6200735]

>>6200731
>>6200702

To achieve a 2 point perspective camera so that your vertical lines are straight instead of following a vanishing point,do this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1rUuvH3fs8

[Anonymous No.6200738]

>>6200725
I am trying to prove wether or not this method of transfering a vertical square to the horizontal works with every angle. The typical to multiply a rectangle works at any angle in any perspective. This one does not see to.
>>6200731
My bad, have the 2 point all vertical straight example in >>6200669
Also, are you the original anon who made the tutorial?

[Anonymous No.6200741]

>>6200738
>I am trying to prove wether or not this method of transfering a vertical square to the horizontal works with every angle. The typical to multiply a rectangle works at any angle in any perspective. This one does not see to

And you're not accounting for the 3rd vanishing point.

[Anonymous No.6200742]

>>6200738
>The typical to multiply a rectangle works at any angle in any perspective
how is that done, desu

[Anonymous No.6200743]

>>6200742
like this

[Anonymous No.6200744]

>>6200738
>>>6200731 (You)
>My bad, have the 2 point all vertical straight example in >>6200669
>Also, are you the original anon who made the tutorial?

Did you apply tilt shift to the camera when making this example?

[Anonymous No.6200747]

>>6200743
isnt that literally how the other guy doing it?

[Anonymous No.6200750]

>>6200747
No. That example show you how you can add another rectangle, in the same plane, of the same size. We are trying to find out of you can use a similar method, as show in>>6200471
to create a new rectangle, of the same size, but in a plane perpendicular to that one, like from the vertical plane to the horizontal.

[Anonymous No.6200752]

i havnt watched eric olsen in years but when you are drawing squares in perspective dont you have to do something like this?

[Anonymous No.6200755]

i'm getting excited /beg/bros. I figured out textures. also i don't get why everyone thinks drawabox is shit, i'm getting better every day and my boxes are in perspective.

[Anonymous No.6200761]

>>6200752
>i havnt watched eric olsen in years but when you are drawing squares in perspective dont you have to do something like this?

that's what you do to create a view with minimal distortion

[Anonymous No.6200765]

>>6200744
Yes. I can assure you the camera way standing perfectly horizontal. You can just go in and try it yourself, if you wish. Or ask me to verify other positions, I don't mind.

[Anonymous No.6200768]

>>6200765
>standing perfectly horizontal
I'm not talking about the direction of the camera, anon

[Anonymous No.6200772]

>>6200768
According to the video in >>6200735, this is all that is necesary to achive 2pp is to keep it horizontal. Changing the tilt is only necesary if you wish to view object much bellow/above the horizon, our example object not being one.
Also, I will ask this again:
Are you the person who made the original tutorial?

[Anonymous No.6200774]

Im starting to study hands, a personal flaw of mine. Anything i should know before, any tips?

[Anonymous No.6200779]

>>6200774
It's everyone's personal flaw, LOL

[Anonymous No.6200783]

>>6200713
>This assumes you have experience drawing elipses (he says to practice this a lot.) For further study, the way scott suggest to draw a perfect cube is also by basing the faces around elipses.

but how do you ensure that the diameter, when projected back into top view, doesn't change?

[Anonymous No.6200785]

>>6200471

how did Scott transfer the square though
what does he mean by starting point and with are already provided

[Anonymous No.6200789]

>>6200783
You can either eyeball it or do it the fucking complicated way. The choice is yours.

[Anonymous No.6200795]

>>6200789
i just did i the way how the tutorial anon showed me

[Anonymous No.6200798]

>>6200789
Is there a tutorial on how to do this, desu?

[Anonymous No.6200799]

>>6200785
The way he words it is obtuse, but basically, he uses the elipse to find out ho long it has to be. The starting point, reffers to the fact that you know the elipse is adjecent to the lower side of the sqaure and the two perspective lines. Then you just draw the apropiate elipse degree and close of the box. (see picrel)
>>6200783
I have checked a ton of resources, and it seems to be quite litterally experience and intuition. I have looked for any more in depth resources, and there seems to be none. You just have to know the correct degree of the elipse by experience. Scott recomends drawing a lot of elipses over perspective grids to train.

[Anonymous No.6200802]

>>6200692
>what did Anon mean by this?
What anon mean by this?

[Anonymous No.6200803]

>>6200799
>I have checked a ton of resources, and it seems to be quite litterally experience and intuition. I have looked for any more in depth resources, and there seems to be none. You just have to know the correct degree of the elipse by experience. Scott recomends drawing a lot of elipses over perspective grids to train.

that anon's tutorial seems to work in the picrel doe desu >>6200795

[Anonymous No.6200804]

Is there anything more soul crushing to someone who just started than all of this perspective autism?

[Anonymous No.6200810]

>>6200804
Clean lines and tasteful rendering.

[Anonymous No.6200814]

>>6200799
>The way he words it is obtuse, but basically, he uses the elipse to find out ho long it has to be. The starting point, reffers to the fact that you know the elipse is adjecent to the lower side of the sqaure and the two perspective lines. Then you just draw the apropiate elipse degree and close of the box. (see picrel)

i see

[Anonymous No.6200817]

>>6200789
HOW

[Anonymous No.6200818]

>>6200728
It's a satanic deformation of truth, in reality parallel lines don't converge, but we choose not to listen and this "rebellion" marked the birth of modernity, along with protestantism's "lol the word of God is whatever the fuck we want xxDDd". And well, the path that started with perspective drawing i.e. the celebration of falsehood, inevitably lead us to HRT for children and cannibalism.

[Anonymous No.6200819]

>>6200795
>>6200803
Sure, feel free to follow it. My only wish was to talk out stuff the tutorial op, but he seems to be gone. Wish you the best and have a good one, fellas, I'm out.

[Anonymous No.6200820]

>>6200728
It isn't, Brunelleschi made it up at the end of the middle ages as a prank on all post-medieval artists. It's the main reason pre-"Enlightenment" artwork is so soulful and appealing while modern art is all absolute soulless and soul-crushing garbage, whether it's "realistic" (ie actual subjects painted with the perspective basilisk) or "abstract" (ie a perspective painting with all the subjects removed, so it's pure, ugly, made-up maths).

[Anonymous No.6200822]

>>6200818
>protestantism's "lol the word of God is whatever the fuck we want xxDDd"
To be fair, they learned it from watching Catholics.

[Anonymous No.6200836]

>>6199316
Made an edgy demon heart out of it

[Anonymous No.6200837]

>>6200728
it's not. It's a illusion created by our monke brains so we could chase pussies through the tree tops instead of going bananas

[Anonymous No.6200840]

>>6200836
Very Based.

[Anonymous No.6200852]

A sketch of a forearm I did. I think it turned out allright

[Anonymous No.6200853]

>>6200624
Thumbnail reads well, good job!

>>6200470
Good stuff anon, Well done

>>6200840
Thanks anon, also thanks to thread-anon for reposting my turtlefriend

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[Anonymous No.6200859]

>>6200852
Only obese people have wrists that thick

[Anonymous No.6200890]

>>6200859
don't be mean

[Anonymous No.6200891]

>>6200609
>but I had visual and auditory hallucinations paired with severe migraines in the absence of hallucinogenic drug use when I was a teenager,

Fascinating, but traumatic I can imagine.

I have drug induced psychosis coupled with a strange relationship with sex, having been exposed to it and highly sexualized material at a young age, i never grew out of having some supressed memories. Basically I eventually figured out I had been roofied by someone gay, who basically gave me a fetish for "being the girl." Whether it was an unwanted fetish or maybe something inherent, discovering it that way, black out not remembering it was kinda spastic for me in my early 20s. (I found acid to be life changing, for better or for worse.)

>there are droves of teens that are textbook psychopaths, but literally grow out of it

I feel like I am somewhat stuck in my development but lately am actively trying not to be what is, essentially a textbook psychopath.( Flippant disregard for all rules and shie-za as the germans say, is a very useful tool whenever SHTF.)

I am worrying about losing my humanity over time, although honestly I guess I'm just not used to having such low self esteem.

This is my portfolio more or less: (NSFW)
https://files.catbox.moe/cratuo.jpg

[Anonymous No.6200892]

>>6200891
some of these are alright but your coomer stuff is repulsive

[Anonymous No.6200903]

>>6200891
this one is unironically very cute.

[Anonymous No.6200916]

>>6200802
>>what did Anon mean by this?
>What anon mean by this?
what mean dis?

[Anonymous No.6200921]

I've always wanted to take classes, but not a "Ok, now we're all going to paint a wine glass <3" or a full college course. I only care about taking classes to learn how to draw and get started but I can't find anything like that in person

[Anonymous No.6200925]

>>6200921
How exactly do you mean to learn how to draw if you're unwilling to draw simple shit to start out? You could probably find some advanced courses if you look around, but doing that will probably just leave you confused and dejected for being too shit to follow along. Before doing anything else you should humble yourself and realize that it will require a load of practice with a ton of different subjects if you want to get decent. Just save yourself some money and watch a couple of youtube videos instead as you're clearly going to give up soon anyway.

[Anonymous No.6200929]

DuckerZ

[Anonymous No.6200933]

>>6200929
cute

[Anonymous No.6200936]

>>6200925
Wow, you're right, learning online with the positivity from other beginners is so much better <3

[Anonymous No.6200937]

Lets GOOOOO beg

>>6200891
i kneel (out of respect)
>>6200675
The coloring is kinda... boring? I see spots where you tried to spice it up but its too little too late. And ofc low effort anime style face doesnt help at all
>>6200474
>>6200397
Reference, biology books, one of the billion books about the subject? Even loomis has book about drawing bodies. Or are you aiming to draw perfectly from imagination only?
>>6200394
LMAO that face. 9/10 meme
>>6200271
Why did you make decent body and then slapped low effort head on it? Anon are you scared of drawing faces?
>>6199854
You forgot to PYW anon
>>6199686
1. its good book 2. you forgot to PYW 3. if you actually read it it says dont worry it looks bad and continue
>>6199371
Nice background, now slap half naked anime girl on it and you will get many (You)s
>>6200921
Just take class and come in middle of semester then when they are drawing advanced stuff
>>6200929
So simple texture yet so effective and visually appealing. I have to learn this. Saved for study later

[Anonymous No.6200941]

>>6200936
Pretty much everyone here is one or more steps closer to mastery than you on the simple basis that they actually draw, and don't make abitrary rules for themselves like not wanting to draw a wine glass. But you do you. I honestly do hope you succeed in your endavours, but I still think you have a shitty attitude for someone just starting out.

[Anonymous No.6200943]

>>6200474
>body proportions and connections
Any book about drawing the figure will have a section devoted to this subject, whether it's Loomis or How to Draw Manga. Read those sections and then compare your drawings to what you've read.

[Anonymous No.6200949]

>>6200937
>I see spots where you tried to spice it up but its too little too late.
Thank you, which spots exactly? And should I in general just add more variety of colors or something? What do you mean

>And ofc low effort anime style face doesnt help at all
How would a high effort anime style face look like in this case? Hard mode: they have their eyes closed

[Anonymous No.6200962]

>>6200941
So clairvoyant, have you considered being a mind reader professionally anon? That you can do it over the internet is quite impressive.

[Anonymous No.6200963]

started brent eviston's course

[Anonymous No.6200973]

Some simple /beg/ tips and tricks to hide your imperfections

>Can't draw equal proportions
use extreme foreshortening on 1 side or limb, the foreshortening hides the unequal proportions because people can't measure precisely
>Can't draw perspective
if you're having trouble with perspective its probably because you're using 1 or 2 point which isn't very equivalent to what you'd see in real life. try using 3 point perspective instead because its a closer approximation to real life.
alternatively use a fish eye lense to help hide your minor flaws.
>my colors look terrible!
use a simple color pallet and focus more on values and shading.
>my gestures suck but I don't want to draw stick men!
don't worry! the gesture exercise is just an exercise. if anything gesture is easier when you think of gesture as a human instead of stick figures because the natural curves of the body help emphasize motion.
>I can't think of any ideas except floating anime girls
you don't need to be creative. instead of trying to think of something new to draw, try drawing things you'd like to see but nobody ever seems to draw. for example if you looked up pokemon girls being raped by tentacruels but only for 2-3 drawings, try that.
>I'm too lazy to spend more than a few hours on a single image
its okay, we all get lazy sometimes.
using simple values and sprinkling a single highly saturated color is a cheat code to producing appealing works extremely quickly.

[Anonymous No.6200975]

does the hand i have drawn look right? the fingers are supposed to bent with the wrist bent back.

[Anonymous No.6200979]

>>6200598
gimp

>>6200949
Art is subjective. My advice is to find art you like and then copy it.

[Anonymous No.6200993]

>>6200979
Thanks, the cringe of seeing my mistakes and mediocrity + areas I tried to cope/skimped out on is good motivation.

[Anonymous No.6200998]

I think my noses are improving already, I'm playing around with a mixture of Angel Ganev's construction methods along with Melkormancin's and it's something I already feel a lot more comfortable drawing. My two biggest issues at the moment are
>Understanding a good shape for the tip of the nose and the planes of the bottom portion of the nose overall
and
>Finding a more standardized construction for the nose that I am comfortable with
I think I'm on the cusp of meeting the second one at least but some advice would always be appreciated

[Anonymous No.6201002]

new
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[Anonymous No.6201016]

>>6201002
pyw

[Anonymous No.6201030]

I mean that guy was probably right, but thanks :)

[Anonymous No.6201264]

The latest drawing I did, blah blah call me Chris Chan etc. I will do keys to drawing soon. I just wanna get my shit together. I don't understand how drawing with your eyes and quitting symbol drawing will help my style.

[Anonymous No.6201413]

>>6200979
Ok thank you so much!!

[Anonymous No.6201785]

>>6200755
Nice, whats the secret to texture?

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[Anonymous No.6202511]

>>6202392
heh

[Anonymous No.6203305]

This is first time I try something like rendering stuff. Any advice?

[Anonymous No.6203480]

>>6203305
everything is a vague blob, don't airbrush, make definite shadow shapes.