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6174906 No.6174906 [Reply] [Original]

I always hear that...
To know how to draw you need to know how to make the basic shapes.
And you have to know the basic shapes in perspective.

So...

What is the best material to learn how to draw basic shapes correctly?

And draw them in perspective correctly?

Why do most books make it difficult or sometimes don't even teach this correctly?

Please enlighten me...

>> No.6174910

>>6174906
Loomis
unironically

>> No.6174922

>>6174910
Any specific book?

Thanks

>> No.6174927

>>6174922
Successful Drawing

>> No.6174934

>>6174906
you’ll know when you try to draw something that requires it. “i need to do [thing] because some guy told me so” is as dumb with drawing as anything else. always study with a purpose

>> No.6174939

>>6174922
successful drawing
do draw a box if you want something more modern and structured

>> No.6174950

>>6174927
>>6174939

Thanks

>> No.6174955

>>6174934
I thought that learning something from someone who knows how to do it was a good way to go.

Don't you think that knowing the basic forms correctly is important?

My boxes get weird... I wanted to follow the steps of the image in the first post...

But I am stuck in the second step....

>> No.6174959

>>6174955
i’m saying books/courses/tutorials should only be used as tools to get over bumps in the road, rather than the road itself. you get better at drawing by drawing, then work out the problems you find. the best education in the world doesn’t mean shit if you’re lost on how to apply it.

>> No.6174979

>>6174959
I believe that surely there must be some material, text or video, that teaches this.

I don't disagree with you about the practice. But there would be an economy of time and effort. And more time practicing a correct way.

I can try to find the right shape and proportions by trying and trying...

But if someone here has great material to facilitate this... It doesn't hurt to ask...

>> No.6175001

>>6174906
>DDUHH HOW DO I DRAW A BOX?
quit already.

>> No.6175177
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6175177

>>6175001

Why so bad?

>> No.6175207

>>6174906
get a beginner perspective book like ernest norling's or space drawing by dong ho kim, learn 1, 2 and 3 point perspectives and use 3d model galeries like sketchfab to draw those things in different angles. pretty straightforward I think

>> No.6175437

Get real life reference. Might be difficult to find a set of basic forms meant for drawing, but stuff like a rubiks cube or box of matches can help a lot.
You're correct that it's meaningless to grind forms if they're all warped, but doing it well is just a matter of accuracy, having a point of comparison and knowing perspective. I know it's super easy to overthink things when starting out but it's not that deep. Just draw what you see, and the original will be right there for comparison to help correct you and keep you on the right path.
Não entendo qual a necessidade de ficar usando reticências o tempo todo mas a sua forma de escrita me irrita muito. Preciso incluir pelo menos um insulto, se for tudo civil e informativo não parece mais algo do /ic/.

>> No.6177071

>>6175437
What material did you use to learn to draw?

Foi mal pelas reticências. Estava pensando em como escreve em inglês e então usava elas e pensava outra vez. Não reparei na formatação e pontuação kek

Você consegue seguir os passos da imagem relatada anão?

>> No.6177138

use 3d models to correct yourself

>> No.6179775

>>6174906
https://drawabox.com

>> No.6179949

wtf i thought drawabox was meme

>> No.6179996
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6179996

>>6177071
The OP image describes construction with an emphasis on form. Pretty much everyone who uses construction is thinking of the parts as 3d objects, even if they don't draw cross-contours like that.
In the image it's done for the benefit of the audience's understanding, but it's also a common exercise for building a sense of 3d space. When you start being able to "trick" yourself into seeing your drawings as solid 3d objects instead of marks on a flat surface is when that stuff really starts working. This video has a good exercise for that, and the whole channel is worth checking out if you're interested in drawing solids:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOlwDL8HtT0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpqEE9yU474
That said, I really recommend getting some manner of real life example, even if it's stuff like a box of matches or a mug.
I think everyone likes jumping right into construction because it's important for drawing from imagination and what all their favorite comic and illustration artists use. Most people like drawing random shit they come up with more than sitting there trying to copy their own shoes. That goes for me, too, and it's why I took a long time learning basic shit I never should've struggled with.
Nobody likes listening when they get told to value observation. It's common to end up trying all sorts of stuff before you finally go "shit I wasted so much time I should've just drawn the damn shoes". I don't think the time spent studying more advanced things is actually wasted, because you do need them later on, and I think it helps you integrate what you learn from observation into your own work better. Besides, it's a conclusion you have to reach yourself to be convinced. But drawabox is a total, complete waste of time they're messing with you.
Learn basic comparative measuring from something like Art and Science of Drawing. Observation is the most basic part of drawing and it really pays off, even if you plan on mostly drawing from imagination.

>> No.6183501

>>6179996
I haven't seen the videos you posted yet. But apparently that is what will help me understand the stage of the image I posted. Thank you very much Anon. If anyone still wishes to add other things or sources, I appreciate it.

>> No.6183537

>>6174979
Aside from Loomis you could also try Steve Huston

>> No.6183569
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6183569

>>6174906
The Vilppu Drawing Manual is everything you need for learning how to draw basic forms and how to use them to build figures and other stuff. Don't even bother looking at other sources like Michael Hampton or Bridgman. Just ignore everyone else.

>> No.6184513

>>6174906
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF8XgTQmoPg&list=PLgKJMTFp_25iQVZ6ItpZKTSN9Yo44YSTs&index=1
>https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLgKJMTFp_25jOS4dgH7grCZ0EkuWwzhwV
>https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLgKJMTFp_25iQVZ6ItpZKTSN9Yo44YSTs
>https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7xvYrkzD7N9UUEn_o15wrXZ1Z6lM9t0S
ModernDayJames (YT channel), Dan Beardshaw (YT channel) and the Scott Robertson's How to draw book, Erik Olson's (110+ hours course on perspective). They all teach the same, but don't stay to one book/course, learn by all of them (for me Erik Olson is #1)

Good luck, anon.

>> No.6184913

>>6184513
Thank you very much Anon.