/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.6172049]

>Eviston: it is absolutely CRITICAL you learn how to draw using very light lines as early as possible. The lighter you draw, the more chances you will have to correct your mistakes.
Is this accurate advice?

[Anonymous No.6172053]

It's wrong, you should be making bold strong lines to improve your line confidence.

[Anonymous No.6172055]

It's very true for trad, matters less for digital

[Anonymous No.6172089]

>>6172053
retard

[Anonymous No.6172093]

>>6172053
you can make a bold strong line on top of the light planning one.

[Anonymous No.6172413]

>>6172049
in trad art, yes

[Anonymous No.6172430]

>>6172053
many people actually say this

[Anonymous No.6172439]

>>6172430
because peter wuhan unleashed a terrible mind virus on the world.

[Anonymous No.6172447]

>>6172053
both methods have their place
if you're so dogmatic to think its only one way then you aren't actually understanding the purpose of these exercises

[Anonymous No.6172449]

FUCK OFF BRENT FUCK

[Anonymous No.6172453]

>>6172447
the only correct answer

[Anonymous No.6172465]

>>6172447
no, the bold line method has no place in art

[Anonymous No.6172466]

>>6172053
You're supposed to use as little pressure as possible tard, you only press a little hard if you want to make some shadow/vary the lineweight. Pressing hard with fuck up your hand and your range of motion

[Anonymous No.6172467]

Correct my mistakes? I just throw away the paper and start over if I make one.

[Anonymous No.6172581]

>>6172049
i couldn't sit through his book. it felt like he was trying to make drawing into grinding a game character. fuck that, i may be autistic but i go out of my way not to cultivate autistic behaviors.

i started reading bert dodson's book instead

[Anonymous No.6172589]

>>6172581
not a fan of eviston, but grinding is a part of learning any skill. You'll have to confront that one day or the other

[Anonymous No.6172639]

>>6172581
imagine not wanting to be autistic so bad you decide to be retarded instead

[Anonymous No.6172652]

>>6172049
why not just use an H penciil? its light by default for this reason

[Anonymous No.6172654]

>>6172652
you can also use tracing paper/light box
this drawing light skill is unnecessary

[Anonymous No.6172682]

>>6172652
ye it also works
but id argue using a softer/darker pencil and trying to control pressure will help your skill in the long run as you get better at controlling what marks you make

apart from that theres no real advantage vs using a harder pencil like H or other methods

[Anonymous No.6172722]

>>6172654
>>6172652

[Anonymous No.6172737]

>>6172049
Stop posting already Brent and get a job

[Anonymous No.6172742]

>>6172722
This too but whenever i use it my paper gets stickyish?so I don't like using it

[Anonymous No.6172750]

>>6172742
weird, never seen anything like a residue on the brands i've tried.
is it super hot and humid where you are or something?

[Anonymous No.6172765]

>>6172652
you're not getting the point
you should be capable off getting all kinds of values with your pencil

part of training dexterity is also being capable of drawing delicately

[Anonymous No.6172766]

>>6172053
This bait is funny.

[Anonymous No.6172769]

>>6172766
just because it garnered a lot of mocking (You)s doesn't mean it's bait.

[Anonymous No.6172770]

>>6172750
Maby because I had it for a long time and it melted a couple of times in the summer, my paper is not the best quality either...the brand is the same in that pic

[Anonymous No.6172771]

>>6172770
Wait im blind its not that brand same color but Faber-Castell

[Anonymous No.6172772]

>>6172465
Du bist shweine

[Anonymous No.6172869]

>>6172654
retard

[Anonymous No.6172889]

>>6172869
Tracing paper and light box ar basic drafting tools
Please enlighten me with ur non retarded knowledge how it is retarded?
>>6172765
Ya i agree but i still dont see it as an essential art skill its a bonus art skill

[Anonymous No.6172914]

>>6172889
It's so easy to tell just from the way you articulate yourself that you have an extremely low IQ.
ngmi

[Anonymous No.6172916]

>>6172049
I feel sorry for anyone who wastes their time with this course if they ultimately want to do digital.

[Anonymous No.6172931]

its basically the same as "proper cutting technique" with cutlery.
you don't need to persay, but it will show huge benefit in the future when you probably will need it.

[Anonymous No.6172948]

>>6172914
Where is ur high level articulated explanation of why im wrong dum fuck

[Anonymous No.6172972]

>>6172916
I feel sorry for idiots like yourself who permanently crippled their ability to learn by starting with digital.

[Anonymous No.6173100]

>>6172049
just trace it afterwards on a new piece of paper or use a harder lead

[Anonymous No.6173306]

>>6172049
Yeah because you're drawing on paper and your paper can only be erased so many times before you ruin it. If you're not a tradchad just do this instead >>6172053

[Anonymous No.6173355]

>>6172889
>>>6172869
>Tracing paper and light box ar basic drafting tools
>Please enlighten me with ur non retarded knowledge how it is retarded?
>>>6172765
>Ya i agree but i still dont see it as an essential art skill its a bonus art skill
draftsmenship is a core skill to becoming a good artist
tracing paper and light boxes are tools that are used sparingly or for planning perspective, not to be relied on for every time you fuck up.

[Anonymous No.6173362]

>>6173306
Moron.

[Anonymous No.6173420]

>>6173355
>sparingly
fuck u i wont take ur beg words over his
tracing ppr are my best frends

[Anonymous No.6173469]

>>6172581
>teacher tells you to draw
>i dont like to draw
?

[Anonymous No.6173656]

>>6172049
It’s bizarre for an art instructor to be so anal about a particular step in the art process. Most often /beg/s have the opposite problem where their work is too small and light, which is why they’re typically instructed to draw more boldly.

>The lighter you draw, the more chances you will have to correct your mistakes.
The reasoning here doesn’t make sense either. It’s a matter of course you’ll make mistakes, but it’s better to finish those bad drawings than to fuss about with light pencil marks like an old woman. Only after you’ve gained some proficiency are you able to draw lightly, with confidence, rather than using it to hide your ineptitude. It sounds like Eviston doesn’t take into account the fact that people at a certain skill level often require instruction that would be contradictory at other levels.

[Anonymous No.6173717]

>>6173656
Eviston has taught hundreds, if not thousands of people in real life art classes for over 20 years, and created this course explicitly to teach all the techniques that helped his students the most.

What makes you, an anonymous /beg/ on 4chan, think you would know better than him when it comes to instructing people how to draw?

[Anonymous No.6173910]

>>6172053
This. You should aim to go straight to final inking. Sketching wastes a lot of time. Which is fine if you have a lot of time to waste I guess.

[Anonymous No.6173951]

>>6173717
The man did a fucking Ted talk about "drawing lightly". That anon is right, Brent is a hack.

>muh argument from authority
Just look at his art nigger. You clearly haven't drawn enough if you can look at it and not see the shitty values and terrible gesture.

[Anonymous No.6173975]

>>6173717
>thousands
he has like 410 followers on twitter

[Anonymous No.6174007]

>>6173951
>The man did a fucking Ted talk about "drawing lightly"
>it's real

[Anonymous No.6174114]

>>6173975
What is it about "real life art classes" your small brain has difficulty understanding? He's a professional art lecturer.

>twitter
Does your tiny brain only understand social media websites?

https://www.udemy.com/course/the-art-and-science-of-drawing/#instructor-1
>93,624 Students

[Anonymous No.6174115]

>>6173951
His gesture drawings are literally 500 times better than whatever garbage you're capable of.

Of course, trash like you will never post work, you'll just take pot shots, pretending to be a qualified artist when you're obviously a beg.

[Anonymous No.6174117]

>>6173910
Retard.

[Anonymous No.6174137]

>>6173951
>The man did a fucking Ted talk
hmm, maybe the kjg wannabes were right after all

[Anonymous No.6174187]

>>6174114
looks like i hit a nerve with this one lol

[Anonymous No.6174193]

>>6174187
pyw

[Anonymous No.6174195]

>>6174187
he's still better than you in drawing

[Anonymous No.6174204]

if you don't understand the point of drawing lightly, its clear you don't do enough figure drawing

[Anonymous No.6174216]

>>6174204
this
also the course is more on about using pencil, this shit isnt going to work on digital
hell the guy even uses overhand technique and encourages everyone to follow

[Anonymous No.6174685]

>>6174187
Sounds like all you did was expose yourself as a retard.

[Anonymous No.6174687]

>>6174216
>also the course is more on about using pencil, this shit isnt going to work on digital
Hello beg. Try not to cope about things you clearly don't understand.

[Anonymous No.6174703]

>>6174687
Hello smooth brain. Try performing an overhand grip on a screenless tablet

[Anonymous No.6174713]

>>6174703
ah so now you've backpedalled from "won't work on digital" to "won't work on screenless"? concede your defeat, you have no fucking clue what you're talking about. pyw.

[Anonymous No.6174728]

>>6174713
>ah so now you've backpedalled from "won't work on digital" to "won't work on screenless"?
i see
you're retarded then
can't even understand a simple fucking sentence
>pyw
you first, braindead nigger

[Anonymous No.6174775]

>>6174115
Why don’t you post some of his Brent’s great “gesture drawings”? If you posted that shit on /beg/ people would say those are too structural (and too stiff) to even be called gestures. Pic related is by Busch, it captures the action in a few lines, wheras what Brent is doing is drawing incomplete figures and passing it off as something else. See for yourself:
https://youtu.be/GFHCsrdfYZA

[Anonymous No.6174784]

>>6174775
Is that you, Vandruff-sensei?

[Anonymous No.6174788]

>>6174703
I didn't reply to your comment on overhand you stupid idiot.
I replied to your utterly idiotic comment that drawing lightly does not work on digital. This 100% confirms you're a beg and you're looking for coping mechanisms to rationalize digital.

[Anonymous No.6174794]

>>6174775
Marshall?

[Anonymous No.6174797]

I'd like Brent Eviston a lot if you guys didn't shove him in my face so much. FUCK Brent Eviston I'm never buying your damn courses

[Anonymous No.6174820]

>>6174797
Then buy his book instead.

[Anonymous No.6174823]

>>6174820
What makes it better than Loomis

[Anonymous No.6174837]

>>6174788
ok fine, i lashed out since you called me beg out of the blue
let me rephrase my original post
i have nothing against digital, but most of the techniques that brent teaches are more applicable in traditional since the guy is advocating overhand technique and
using an easel if possible
besides if i need to have light lines in digital i can always adjust the opacity, however if you're an absolute beg who trained with a pencil while using overhand, it will take a while to transfer what you've learned to digital
also i was more against the 2nd post on the thread on using bolder lines instead of light lines

[Anonymous No.6174840]

>>6174823
Because Brent actually understands what it means to be an absolute beginner starting from nothing.

The first exercise in Fun with a pencil with the potato heads is literally "draw the rest of the fucking owl" tier. Why would you tell an absolute beginner to "add the rest of the facial features" when they don't know how to draw basic shapes yet? Let alone volumes like heads. This is exactly why a lot of beginners get "filtered" by Loomis, and end up demotivated.

The Art and Science of Drawing has you develop a much more reasonable foundation to build upon. He explains the importance of line weight, how to draw basic shapes, how you should hold the pencil, the practice to theory ratio and more. It's much easier to digest for a beginner.

[Anonymous No.6174844]

>>6174840
>Fun with a pencil
most anons here agreed that Fun with a pencil isnt a book for begs, if you're learning construction from that book, might as well read his head and hand book

[Anonymous No.6174851]

>>6174844
But again, why would an absolute beginner learn construction without learning how to draw 2D shapes first? Or better yet, perspective. From what I recall, Loomis even says the reader should have an understanding of perspective before further reading, and encourages people to read Norling's book first.

Recommending Loomis to beginners is a meme, similar to people on /g/ telling everyone to install gentoo.

[Anonymous No.6174854]

>>6174840
>Because Brent actually understands what it means to be an absolute beginner starting from nothing.
When I read his book I got the opposite impression

[Anonymous No.6174857]

>>6174851
>But again, why would an absolute beginner learn construction
hey im just saying to avoid the fun with pencil book since his other book is better at explaining construction

[Anonymous No.6174858]

>>6174854
that just means you have adhd and can't follow simple instructions.

by all means though, point out the pages that gave you the impression he doesn't understand what it's like to be a beginner.

[Anonymous No.6174862]

>>6174844
>most anons here agreed that Fun with a pencil isnt a book for begs
pic related is from the /ic/ sticky

[Anonymous No.6174865]

>>6174851
nta
>Norling's book
this one right?
is this more beg friendly compared to scott robertson's book?
i'm planning to read scott's book or generally learn perspective after learning construction but im having second thoughts

[Anonymous No.6174880]

>>6174865
>is this more beg friendly compared to scott robertson's book?
Yes. Scott Robertson's is an advanced book.

You shouldn't read Norling though. Read Perspective Drawing Handbook by Joseph D'Amelio, then read Creative Perspective by Ernest W. Watson. They are simply better books.

[Anonymous No.6174887]

>>6174880
>Read Perspective Drawing Handbook by Joseph D'Amelio, then read Creative Perspective by Ernest W. Watson
does it really need to be two books?
guess i'll try

[Anonymous No.6174889]

>>6174820
>>6174840
>>6174858
>all this shilling
>not for Huston, or Vilppu, or any of the other competent instructors but for Brent fucking Eviston, an amateur on udemy

[Anonymous No.6174893]

>>6174889
>not for Huston, or Vilppu
not for beginners
>Brent fucking Eviston, an amateur on udemy
he's been a professional art teacher for 30 years, retard.

[Anonymous No.6174896]

>>6174887
>does it really need to be two books?
why would it "have" to be anything? read whatever you like

those two books just go hand in hand together, and d'amelio is a lot more comprehensive than norling.

[Anonymous No.6174905]

>>6174896
what i meant is if its alright to pick just one book then continue with learning construction, i'll just pick d'amelio's book first then i might try watson's if i have time

[Anonymous No.6174912]

>>6174905
sure

[Anonymous No.6174914]

>>6174912
nice
thanks for the recs

[Anonymous No.6175003]

>>6174844
you're not supposed to be "learning construction" from fwap. the main goal is, as the title might suggest, having some fun with a pencil.
the book is a good first step for people who know nothing about anything and have the skill level of a preschooler. blooks are enough of a joke that you're not going to torch all your motivation fucking up some potato head while getting acclimated to the utter basics of making marks on a piece of paper.

[Anonymous No.6175036]

>>6175003
>now add the nose and some crosslines, then add eyes, ears, mouth, brows, etc
>in other words, draw the rest of the fucking owl
Retard.

Literally the snake oil of learning art.

[Anonymous No.6175046]

>>6172055
try sketching with a hard round, no ctrl+f

[Anonymous No.6175082]

>>6172049
Stop looking for some religious dogma that will tell you the one correct way to practice drawing. Focus on deliberate practice instead and pick the means that get you to your goal in the most efficient manner.

[Anonymous No.6175123]

>>6175082
Stop being jealous of Eviston. He's been teaching for 20 years.

[Anonymous No.6175172]

>>6175082
No one is dogmatic, Eviston literally says there’s lots of ways to draw
The problem is people so retarded and stubborn that they’ll look for more reasons to not take information instead of learning
It’s baffling really

[Anonymous No.6175383]

>>6175036
you are supremely retarded if you can't see what's going on here

[Anonymous No.6175387]

>>6175383
I can correctly identify you as a moron, that's for sure.

[Anonymous No.6175396]

>>6172053
This is true, people replying in derision to this simply expose themselves as begs

[Anonymous No.6175409]

>>6175396
>t. literal beg

[Anonymous No.6175453]

>>6175387
lol it's just overlapping shapes on a ball. you can't draw a circle? you can't follow contours?

[Anonymous No.6175454]

>>6175453
>lol it's just overlapping shapes on a ball. you can't draw a circle?
a ball is not a circle, idiot.
>you can't follow contours?
As a matter of fact, absolute beginners cannot draw contours accurately at all. That's why it's a shit good for beginners.

[Anonymous No.6176531]

>>6174889
like you even watched any of them
next week you'll be bitching about vilppu or huston because you got filtered by the first 5 minutes of watching. them

[Anonymous No.6176567]

>>6176531
I've gone through Huston and Vilppu multiple times. The former's course was so useful that I took the opportunity of meeting him in Huntington. I'm not a crab who lashes out at people for no good reason; Eviston is just a shitty instructor.

[Anonymous No.6176594]

>>6175453
This dude thinks you need to get through Norling perspective book to draw anything more than a box. It's this crazy book, tutorial and class-obsessed culture of /ic/ where you gotta study all theory in the world in some arbitrary order (which varies wildly depending on who you ask) but god forbid actually sitting down and drawing.

[Anonymous No.6176604]

>>6176531
Huston and Vilppu are both very good and I've studied them for years and years. Eviston's drawings, on the other hand, are weak

[Anonymous No.6177385]

>>6176594
no one says you need to study, you can draw whatever you want. who's gonna stop you. but most people actually want to become better artists
no one is gonna look at your scribbles and pretend they mean something. sorry your art teacher treats you like a retard

[Anonymous No.6177940]

>>6172049