Fastest way to get out of permabeg stage

[Anonymous No.6169329]

Can you get good at art (enough to get commissioned) in half a year by doing Peter Han's course and following Naoki Saio sensei's 3 months improvement method exclusively?

Has anyone tried combining them to make an ultimate way of improving fast? Do you want to test it out? Especially as a permabeg that had been drawing floating heads for so long?

[Anonymous No.6169332]

we'll see in 3 months >>6156290

[Anonymous No.6169338]

I've been stuck in Step #1 for the entire day. I don't know what my ideal picture is, I have no goals. I'm not gonna make it guys

[Anonymous No.6169358]

>>6169338
1. pick an artist who has a lot of content to study from
2. they have a lot of illustrations to study from.
3. make sure they are using the same medium that you intend to use.
4. look for artists who have strong construction in their process, most good artists do but it'll make things easier to break down when studying from them
5. choose the artist who has drawing process videoes or tutorials for their style. makes things easier for you


hope i narrowed things down for you

[Anonymous No.6169359]

this book is not for permabegs.
its for people who already know fundies, and peter han isnt even close enough to learn fundies.

[Anonymous No.6169362]

>>6169359
i know fundies but suck at applying them. is this for me?

[Anonymous No.6169369]

cannot imagine a bigger red flag than something advertising speed or "the fastest way" lmao

[Anonymous No.6169373]

>>6169362
>i know fundies but suck at applying them.
you dont know fundies.
go grind.

[Anonymous No.6169377]

>>6169359
We will see about that 6 months later shall we?

[Anonymous No.6169414]

>>6169329
you need to be at least borderline/int/ for the 3-month challenge as you need to make a complete image using all of your skill and constantly self-evaluating your work so you can improve. this is not for people who don't know the basics.

[Anonymous No.6169423]

>>6169414
I think it is a mistype. Here is the correct version

[Anonymous No.6169446]

>>6169423
Here's the updated one

[Anonymous No.6169476]

>>6169446 true version

[Anonymous No.6169482]

>>6169446
FINE. We shall see that. I will go through this method for 3 months and prove you wrong. I will take Peter Han's sketching 1 class and do Naoki Saito's 3 months improvement method at the same time

[Anonymous No.6169484]

>>6169482
pyw nigger

[Anonymous No.6169513]

>>6169484
Certificated permabeg

[Anonymous No.6169526]

>>6169482
bring it on
i'm currently doing brent's course and after that i'll take keys to drawing and move forward to construction + gesture
i'll take me a year or two but i'm serious with my fundies

[Anonymous No.6169536]

>>6169526
I'll become the savior of the permabegs while you will still sit in your table doing fundies for the rest of your life.

[Anonymous No.6169537]

>>6169536
>I'll become the savior of the permabegs
sure you do
i'll be waiting

[Anonymous No.6169597]

>>6169329
first look up what “perma” means

[Anonymous No.6169601]

>>6169597
Everyone can escape the perma state if they have the key to improvement. Even Chris chan can open that door to enlightenment

[Anonymous No.6169746]

>>6169329
You're setting yourself up for failure and disappointment if you're concerned with doing things as quickly as possible. Do things at a steady pace and enjoy the process.

[Anonymous No.6169747]

Feels like there's only two mindsets on this board, people who want to get better this instant and people who think you need to draw loomis heads for a decade before you can do anything else

[Anonymous No.6170713]

>>6169482
>Peter Han's sketching 1
KEK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Krenz >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ALL

[Anonymous No.6170715]

>>6170713
You can use both.

[Anonymous No.6170720]

>>6170715
peter han teaches DS and not perspective

[Anonymous No.6170724]

>>6169329
step 1: trace
step 2: learn to digital paint (mostly autofill flats and some hard round brushes, filters, etc to finish)
step 3: filters and convert to line art to make backgrounds (never draw them)

thats it. its very easy, even that retard laney or whatever they post on pol has huge instagram following tracing people and coloring poorly.

[Anonymous No.6170726]

>>6170720
Yeah, you can use both. Do you think Krenz's students never take another teacher?

[Anonymous No.6170734]

I somehow managed to get from pre-beg to int in 2 months. I just read the books in the artbook general, practiced 3d forms autistically, then started drawing anatomy

[Anonymous No.6170753]

>>6169746
What if it's not about the speed, but the commitment? You might not become an art god in 3 months, but 3 months of dedication is 3 months of dedication, and I can't see why that can't be enjoyed.

[Anonymous No.6170763]

>>6170753
I think his point is to stop making goals like being a certain level after 3 months. You are unaware of the psychological sabotage that will cause; it will eat away at you in the background, that date, 3 months from where you start.

It always comes from people planning in advance, until you actually went through the rigors of such a bootcamp will you realize how foolish it actually is. Better to take it slow and find your pace then forcing the pace and believe me, you will end up far slower if you burn out than if you would have just kept it at 3 hours a day.

[Anonymous No.6170767]

>>6169329
>Can you get good at art in half a year

if you havent been drawing everyday for 4 hours minimum dont even think about it, it takes half a year to just transition into doing art seriously

[Anonymous No.6170788]

>>6170734
pyw

[Anonymous No.6170806]

>>6170734
ok dunning kruger

[Anonymous No.6170946]

>>6170763
underrated post

[Anonymous No.6170970]

>>6169329
I started by myself and gotten commission on the first month lmao.

[Anonymous No.6170988]

>>6170734
>>6170970
PYW

[Anonymous No.6171024]

>>6169537
what was her end goal?

[Anonymous No.6171027]

>>6171024
just chilling

[Anonymous No.6171097]

>>6170988
I dont want to show off. Haha

[Anonymous No.6171278]

>>6169359
>its for people who already know fundies

the book little early teaches retards the most basic aspect of fundies, studying. in that regard its fantastic because I can just point out that book rather than tell people to study.

[Anonymous No.6171335]

I dont like this guy.
Honestly I thought he was good for awhile but that last paintover video he did was dogshit.
>hey I'm trying to do X
>lmao fuck that lemme just make everything bright red instead and totally ruin the appealing style

[Anonymous No.6171338]

>>6171335
You should really think if you're eyes are better at seeing appeal than his are, because that is what you are implying.

[Anonymous No.6171347]

>>6171338
Yes I am. Because I consume a fuckton of art and he has a very generic concept of what is good.
Desaturated and darker images have their appeal and many artists use it intentionally.

This fag has no idea how to do anything without smearing high saturation everywhere.
He's a dime a dozen pixiv artist who is way too conceited for his skill level.

[Anonymous No.6171375]

>>6171347
I don't know you or your art so hey, who knows maybe you are better than him.

But if you are not, then you might need to consider that the opinion of a popular anime artist on anime appeal might be more correct than your own.

[Anonymous No.6171393]

>>6171375
>need to consider that the opinion of a popular anime artist on anime appeal might be more correct than your own.
NTA but this fallacy of appealing to authority is as bad as crabbing and destroys any sort of conversation about a topic that might actually be productive

[Anonymous No.6171409]

>>6171393
Hmm I don't think it's compareable.
Appeal is just in the eye of the observer, and sadly the mass decides on popularity of illustrations not the individual artist. So something we find appealing might not be appealing to the general public.
Now in this case I believe that saito is someone who has a lot of knowledge on "what appeals to the public" which is the general goal on which basis he corrects illustrations.

[Anonymous No.6171432]

>>6171347
We have the same taste, anon. But, it was him that introduces me this method. Even thoughI do not quite agree with his use of colors (again, it is because I prefer old time cartoon and anime where most of the time they do not use oversaturated colors). Also, the composition explanation in this book is fairly easier to consume that le western's composition books where they dedicated 80% of the writing rambling about art history or non related subjects for some weird reason instead of telling you why this or that composition looks good.

[Anonymous No.6171433]

>>6171335
Depends. I like watching his paintovers because half of the time are methods that I've used/tried in the past and I could agree with what/why he does X, or if the methods didnt work out for me and he gave some ideas on where to use them instead. Other times I just like to see new ideas I could take from him. Best is if he paintovers someone's artwork that's about similar as my current level and see what else he could add to make it more appealing.

Whelp once I've finished all the comms for this month I'll probably try this one out. It's literally just a master study anyway.

[Anonymous No.6171998]

>>6171409
Not everything needs to appeal to the general public and that's another flaw of his. He focuses heavily on general appeal at the expense of specific or niche appeals. Low saturation art isn't as popular as generic pop art. But it has a fanbase of its own and doesn't need to be fixed to become generic pop art.

[Anonymous No.6172015]

>>6171998
To add, that isn't to say teaching popart is bad. But if youre critiquing something of a different style don't just say "make it my style lmao" you cater the critique to the style.

If you watch sinix paintovers for example even when he's doing anime art he tries to keep the style and mood that was going for it and addresses the things that are universally wrong.

[Anonymous No.6172057]

I get commissioned and I'm not even good at art

[Anonymous No.6173787]

>>6172057
how much?

[Anonymous No.6174348]

>>6173787
probably a girl

[Anonymous No.6176986]

>>6172057
Same here. Not even once but trice.

[Anonymous No.6177018]

2 threads about this book and little to no art posting or progress showing

[Anonymous No.6177027]

>>6169329
Why don't u check out an artist alley at a convention and see how low the bar is?

[Anonymous No.6177193]

>>6177018
Just goes to show how real the asian jeans meme is
westoids, give up.

[Anonymous No.6178420]

>>6177018
If you faggots actually wanted to improve, you'd be drawing and practicing instead of shitposting all day about the flavor of the month book.
Everyone here wants a magic secret to allow them to draw good without effort.
Nobody remembers pic related anymore.

[Anonymous No.6178440]

>>6178420
idk why you replied to me with that when my post is about the same opinion as you

also funnily enough i use that same book for anatomy along with brigman and papa vilppu although that chinese book in picrel is becoming a fav of mine too and its sad more people dont mention it

anyway, despite shitposting, i was happy to see the /beg/ anons happy to study and improve but that sentiment is going away quickly as it seems most just like the idea of being able to draw than they like actually drawing and so we got the current state of these threads dedicated to this naoki guys book

its sad because this book actually teaches decent methods in a simple to understand way and people still cant bring themselves to try

[Anonymous No.6178526]

>>6178420
>>6178440
Mfs it's barely 1 month and you are already talking about me giving up. I'm trying my best right here.

Btw, the first anatomy book is too brief it's not even worth studying from. The second one is so much better even though it is written in chinese, you can still study by looking at their drawings.

[Anonymous No.6178544]

>>6178440
>>6178420
Just link me these two so I could hoard it

[Anonymous No.6178546]

>>6178526
>Mfs it's barely 1 month and you are already talking about me giving up. I'm trying my best right here.
you ca still post your progress not only for accountability but also as part of a collective motivation sort of thing where anons see others progress and get motivated to also progress themselves and post and it snowballs into a cool study and improvement threads/threads where everyone levels up

the fact the majority of posts are complaints about not being able to choose someone to study or only posting the very first portion that isnt a drawing is kind of disheartening and only makes people think that no one is doing anything and again, only like the idea of drawing instead of drawing

in 1 month and almost nothing shown, you have to admit it doesnt look good and only feeds the shitposters and crabs even more

[Anonymous No.6178559]

>>6178544
https://exhentai.org/g/2226654/9dfb608cd4/

or search 人体结构原理与绘画教学 on zlib for pdf
theres also another version on zlib with a knight with a sword as the cover but its an older version and worse, but it has some extra drawings and illustrations that are cool and you may be interested in hoarding

[Anonymous No.6178565]

>>6178546
>expect cool progress in less than a week
>I'm a permabeg
>still haven't finished the first round of Naoki Saito's challenge

You would just laugh at me like you would to esdeathfag, unfortunately I will not fall for that trick.

[Anonymous No.6178571]

>>6178565
>You would just laugh at me like you would to esdeathfag
im the same anon that tries give balanced opinion and critique o power level threads aswell as other threads with video ad book links when possible

but the paranoia is so great with you fucks you rather hide

seriously, is it so hard to not be so emotional at a fucking 4chan rando crabbing you? or is every person that says something that isnt pure praise a crab to you?

suit yourself and other anons who think like you, keep doing you boo boo ad see how far you get by hiding from possible decent critique/discussion and being too scared of the meanie /ic/ crabs

[Anonymous No.6178583]

>>6178571
I am not hiding. But fine. I'll share my progress stuff once I'm done working on my shitty job and come back home.

[Anonymous No.6178585]

>>6178571
>decent critique/discussion
>/ic/
el oh el

[Anonymous No.6178590]

>>6178585
good example of a retard

[Anonymous No.6178635]

>>6178571
NTA but if you're offering feedback, started a few days ago and currently stuck at the rendering/ color selection.
Any input?

[Anonymous No.6179070]

>>6170713
>>6170720
what the fuck is this where is this from

[Anonymous No.6179081]

>>6179070
Something you'll never be able to hoard.

[Anonymous No.6179103]

>>6178635
post again with the artist you trying to emulate for this books method so it at least stays on topic

[Anonymous No.6179397]

bad news begs, if you think books or tutorials will help you get TALENT YOU DON'T HAVE you are ngmi.
the only good strat to art is copy copy copy until you can fap to it, even the dude on the books says it but I bet you still don't understand and overcomplicate things

[Anonymous No.6179513]

>>6170734
what drills did you use to practice 3d. I still can't accurately command cube rotations.

[Anonymous No.6179671]

>>6169329
Day 1. Model board.

As promise, I will update my daily progress on these Naoki Saito sensei's thread from now on and following his method loosely for over 3 months.

[Anonymous No.6179678]

>>6169329
Day 1. Model board.

As promise, I will update my progress daily on these boards following Naoki Saito sensei's method for 3 months.
(For some reason I couldn't upload this post, this is the fifth time already)

[Anonymous No.6179843]

>>6179671
Just post in asg, no one is posting in this or the other thread.

[Anonymous No.6179848]

>>6179103
Ah sorry, it's a bit embarassing to put them side by side since right now it's really far off, but going for mika.

[Anonymous No.6179902]

>>6169329
Begs can’t do naoki’s course retard.

[Anonymous No.6181073]

>>6169747
which is what happens if you don't draw

[Anonymous No.6181086]

THE SECRET TO IMPROVE FAST REALLY FAST
JUST DONT BURN OUT :)

[Anonymous No.6181091]

>>6181086
What the fuck is that even?

[Anonymous No.6181109]

>>6181086
is it just about copying shapes and measurement? i mean, it is a good practice

[Anonymous No.6181215]

>>6169329
I combine loomis figure drawing and Scott Robertson how to draw for maximum effect, no other combination comes close

[Anonymous No.6181227]

>>6181091
Practicing line placement, you copy the grey lines using the blue shape as a positional reference. Excellent way to level up but tedious

[Anonymous No.6181235]

>>6181086
Where is this, this looks more fun than draw a box which taught me nothing despite grinding everything there for half a decade

[Anonymous No.6181296]

>>6181227
Interesting, do you practice just those the shapes in thar image or is there a master file with assorted shapes somewhere.

[Anonymous No.6181338]

>>6181086
Sauce pls? Elaborate more. Im interested.

[Anonymous No.6181359]

>>6181086
is that krenz?

[Anonymous No.6181366]

>>6181359
No he’s Krenz’s teaching assistant

[Anonymous No.6181530]

>>6181296
nah, draw your own shapes

[Anonymous No.6182578]

>>6169329
>Peter Han's course
Who?
What?
Where?
Why?
When?
How?

[Anonymous No.6182640]

>>6181530
not gonna

[Anonymous No.6182658]

What are the steps? Video isn't loading for me

[Anonymous No.6182659]

>>6182640
Just watch this and use any good lineart to do that exercise https://youtu.be/kbKqIJcIUCw
There's a zip file with a bunch of practice images in the description of another video in that channel but I can't read chinese so I don't know which one

[Anonymous No.6182660]

>>6181530
yet
THIS ANON GMI FOR SURE

[Anonymous No.6182671]

>>6182659
>There's a zip file with a bunch of practice images
check
/asg pastebin accuracy
some anon reorganized the imgs from easy to hard

[Anonymous No.6182699]

>>6182659
yeah i rather copy anime, copying random lines is really insane, insanity

[Anonymous No.6182708]

>>6182699
>>6182101

[Anonymous No.6182713]

>>6182659
nta but i think this is a good exercise for digital
i will try it after i'm done with doing trad

[Anonymous No.6182715]

>>6182708
i get by fine

[Anonymous No.6184209]

[Anonymous No.6184240]

ITT weebs discover master studies, bargue plates, perspective lines for the first time
top fucking kek

[Anonymous No.6186353]

>>6184240
they really fucking hate fundies

[Anonymous No.6186363]

>>6184240
funny seeing them get hyped up on the english krenz courses just to have krenz pull up loomis and hampton aswell as just teaching fundies like we've been saying for years

its hilarious

[Anonymous No.6186409]

>>6186363
>we've been saying for years
P
Y
W

[Anonymous No.6186419]

>>6178583
Can't get over how ugly she looks lol

[Anonymous No.6186430]

whats a good simple perspective tutorial on youtube or pixiv?

the draw-a-box guy has shit-tier art so I don't trust it

[Anonymous No.6186442]

>>6186430
>the draw-a-box guy has shit-tier art so I don't trust it
>pixiv

anon...you probably enjoy the same shit tier art but dont say its shit cuz youre a permabeg weeb

[Anonymous No.6186455]

so many arrogant people with no art to back it up, like a gaggle of midgets telling people how to slam dunk

[Anonymous No.6186465]

>>6186430
DAB isn't a perspective course

[Anonymous No.6186469]

>>6186455
oh look another retard who sounds 12

pyw

[Anonymous No.6186505]

>>6186469
pyw midget

[Anonymous No.6186506]

>>6186505
ill post my cock if you want

but you can pyw