Comic artists, we're in trouble...

[Anonymous No.6159764]

I'm a webcomic artist, and that "deeptoon" will leave me unemployed by 2024, in the end, techbros, and capitalism killed commercial art, we lost this war friends...

[Anonymous No.6159767]

>>6159764

by "writers" they mean webtoon artists, blame the translator, btw there's similar projects for manga, and western comics too, but deeptoon is the one that will kill the job, it's literally its goal, and it's funded by their government.

[Anonymous No.6159768]

Imagine being so dumb to make art your mains source of income in 2022,let alone something as easy to disrupt as digital art. I guess you weren't aware of how many times technology has disrupted the art world the last century one.
Better start looking for a real job I guess

[Anonymous No.6159770]

You seriously think you can compete with a dedicated hypercomputer that has instant access to a hundred billion images.
Cute.
And foolish.

[Anonymous No.6159773]

>>6159770
Do you have any example sequential ai generated art like comics and animation?

[Anonymous No.6159781]

>>6159773
That's a problem with dalle2 atleast. It can't make consistent settings and characters, so specific art direction is impossible.

[Anonymous No.6159784]

>Soulless shit webtoons written by 14 year olds are going to ruin everything

Sure bud

[Anonymous No.6159788]

>>6159781
I'm imagining the solution might be creating a 'model' for each character and environment the ai knows how to draw then manually 'pose' them in the scene.

[Anonymous No.6159796]

>he has a job that will be automated by robots and ai in less than a decade

[Anonymous No.6159801]

>>6159770
compete in what? photography?

[Anonymous No.6159806]

>>6159764
Don't be so shit that you could be replaced by a soulless AI then. And have an original style.

[Anonymous No.6159995]

That's just the thing though, AI is going to kill everyone's jobs before 2030 and you would be a fool to think otherwise.
Programmers, writers, artists, designers, musicians, asset makers and many more will be the ones to be fucked first by capitalism and there's no way to stop that from happening (it even is convenient for governments in order to push and establish once and for all a social credit score system through the necessary implementation of things like universal basic income)
/pol/ lied to me. Turns out The Great Reset "You will own nothing and be happy™" has never been a leftist conspiracy, it always has been a capitalist fascist theory and the wet dream of the establishment/CEOs after all.

[Anonymous No.6159998]

It's mostly people who have been rejected by the art world for being permabegs that they are taking back at it for mocking them.

[Anonymous No.6160000]

fuck techies

[Anonymous No.6160007]

>>6159764
you will eat ze bugs
you will create nothing
you will own nothing
you will be happy

[Anonymous No.6160008]

god damn it we should've listened

[Anonymous No.6160010]

>>6159764
>"Hey, AI, can you make a comic about my OC having an epic fight with this other guy's OC in this literally who's style I randomly found in some anon board, with dragon ball effect and all that shit? I want it to have the script of this obscure sick chinese film I found on on a pirate site too"
>"what the fuck is an OC"
>AI proceeds to do a lovecraftian horror clusterfuck of characters in a script that has nothing to do with the original because nothing the client asked was on the database.
Nice try.

[Anonymous No.6160028]

>>6159764
guys... how do we destroy Deeptoon?

[Anonymous No.6160048]

This is the n-th edition of this retarded thread, and this is the n-th request to make it bannable.

>I'm a webcomic artist, and that "deeptoon" will leave me unemployed by 2024, in the end, techbros, and capitalism killed commercial art, we lost this war friends...
If you genuinely think this, you have brain damage.

[Anonymous No.6160058]

>>6160048
what's you argument against this techie, I don't see why artists of all kinds won't lose their jobs

[Anonymous No.6160079]

deeptoon more like deeptroon HAHA

[Anonymous No.6160080]

>>6160058
>what's you argument against this techie, I don't see why artists of all kinds won't lose their jobs
The argument is literally the same as with the invention of projectors, photography and real-time 3D rendering software.
Putting aside that the state-of-the-art models still struggle with making the images correspond to the prompt, confusing the amount of objects, their relative sizes or which parts of the description correspond to which part of the image, let's assume this one is perfect and doesn't ever get it wrong, AND draws everything in the exact requested style AND the exact requested viewpoint. This leaves us with two groups of artists to consider:
1. Fine artists, who paint for galleries and private collectors.
2. Commercial artists, who make product imagery, illustrations, comics, concept art, etc.

The first group is absolutely unaffected by the model's existence - some might include it in a series of work they do, others don't need to even think about it. Their works are unique and their clients buy them because they were made by these specific artists, regardless of what tools they used.
The second group is now relieved of the burden of having to do the manual work they've done before. They're literally in a position no different than they were when projectors, photo bashing and 3D paintovers came out - they have a tool that makes their job faster. If anything, this means they can now deliver their products even faster, with less exhaustion.

The only group that is going to be affected by this are people who chose to both:
1. Work in a commercial, deadline-driven capacity, and
2. Refuse to learn how to use new tools when they come out.
In other words, absolute, utter imbeciles.

Now ban these shitty threads, the trolls who pretend they're a "worried artist", and the useful idiots who contribute to bumping them without even understanding any of this.

[Anonymous No.6160089]

>>6159764
when are jannies banning these retarded ai thread spammers?

[Anonymous No.6160093]

>>6159764
the first time i saw news stories about self-driving cars was 2003-04. now almost 20 years later you can actually see them on the streets and they still fuck up. dont fall for sensationalist reporting. its so pervasive in science and tech especially

[Anonymous No.6160094]

>>6160080
>The second group is now relieved of the burden of having to do the manual work they've done before. They're literally in a position no different than they were when projectors, photo bashing and 3D paintovers came out - they have a tool that makes their job faster. If anything, this means they can now deliver their products even faster, with less exhaustion.
The only group that is going to be affected by this are people who chose to both:
1. Work in a commercial, deadline-driven capacity, and
2. Refuse to learn how to use new tools when they come out.
In other words, absolute, utter imbeciles.

Fucking retard, a joke.

[Anonymous No.6160104]

I remember the
>3D SCANNING IS HERE, 3D MODELLERS WILL LOSE JOBS IN 2 WEEKS!!!
10 fucking years ago xd

[Anonymous No.6160111]

>>6160104
Yes, if youa re in a studio job you just reskill, which won't be a new concept to you.
If you are an independent artist who already needed to do his own marketing and find their own audience then this doesnt affect you. You just get more tools to work with.

[Anonymous No.6160113]

>>6160093
This. The doomsday scenario is decades out at best. You have plenty of time to learn how to draw and make a career being the next great comic artist before getting replaced.

[Anonymous No.6160121]

>>6159995
>Programmers
No, no, no, for a programmer being able to control advanced AIs is winning, not losing. Automating everything is the point of the profession.

[Anonymous No.6160129]

>>6159764
it doesn't even have a youtube video showing it exists and you're already crying about it YOU DON'T DRAW

[Anonymous No.6160223]

>>6160080
>comic artists are now forced to be the middleman, and are forced to no longer enjoy the process of drawing the comic in the first place
what a time to be alive

[Anonymous No.6160232]

It's over
https://youtu.be/Q9FGUii_4Ok

[Anonymous No.6160248]

>>6159806
>Don't be so shit that you could be replaced by a soulless AI then. And have an original style.
Okay google generate 10 images with anonfag's style, add bigger boobs, make their skin darker, inflate the balls.

[Anonymous No.6160259]

>>6159995
>leftist conspiracy
isn't what you americans call "leftist" liberalism? It's pretty obvious liberalism is ultra capitalist

[Anonymous No.6160260]

>>6160248
>>6159806
>Ai increase "soul" levels to "very high"
problem solved

[Anonymous No.6160278]

Gotta just kill myself or give up and be a wagie for the rest of my life at this point.
I don't have any skill outside of art because of my fucking autistic brain and I don't feel good enough to compete with a bunch of machines that will most likely me more used because more efficient.
At the very least I'm gonna try to make some bucks with it while I still can.

[Anonymous No.6160289]

>>6160278
>be a wagie for the rest of my life
what kind of wagie job will there even be?
every single walmart and fast food place could be automated with robots if they wanted.

[Anonymous No.6160295]

>>6159995
When rightist talk about leftist conspiracies and leftists talk about muh capitalism, they're talking about the same neoliberals.

[Anonymous No.6160309]

Wait I don’t get it if you work as a webcomic artist shouldn’t an AI be an advantage considering it would cut you hours of drawing boring stuff like buildings or streets?

[Anonymous No.6160314]

>>6159995
On the bright side, you can get an AI waifu in your lifetime and they probably can have sex with you at some point if you can effort sexbot before 2050

Better start saving while you can

[Anonymous No.6160322]

>>6160113
Even if AI produces art it will be the soulless McDonald's of art. I guarantee that using AI art for your project will seem low status and cringe when it is available.

[Anonymous No.6160328]

>>6160314
what app?

[Anonymous No.6160375]

>>6160328
bump

[Anonymous No.6160378]

>>6160328

[Anonymous No.6160380]

>>6160309
Less required manual work to do a certain thing means you are forced to make a fuck ton more of that thing in an even shorter amount of time to keep up financially. All the braindead retards keep saying you'll get paid the same amount but with less of a workload, but in reality you'll be putting in the same amount of hours, if not more. Except this time, you'll be forced to press a button for several hours a day instead of actually drawing, which means a retard can now do the work, e.i. the work now has no value, and will no one can make any money making comics anymore

[Anonymous No.6160383]

>>6160378
fuck women, I'm getting robowaifu

[Anonymous No.6160391]

>>6159764
this will only kill western comics because tracing is already the standard. every artist that can compose a two spread are reaching retirement home age

[Anonymous No.6160400]

>>6159764
you don't need AI for that to happen. A webtoon studio needing to try all sorts of stuff to cut corners can create their own software to speed up the process of panel creation.

[Anonymous No.6160406]

>>6160380
>Less required manual work to do a certain thing means you are forced to make a fuck ton more of that thing in an even shorter amount of time to keep up financially. All the braindead retards keep saying you'll get paid the same amount but with less of a workload, but in reality you'll be putting in the same amount of hours, if not more.
You have a problem with capitalism, not technology. Stop scapegoating technology for it.
>Except this time, you'll be forced to press a button for several hours a day instead of actually drawing, which means a retard can now do the work, e.i. the work now has no value, and will no one can make any money making comics anymore
Comics and art in general have zero utility value, they are only valued by humans because they enjoy the emotions these media provoke. If a "retard" or a robot can provoke said emotions just as well as the artist in question, then the only thing the technology did was make the emptiness or shallowness of the artist's output blatantly obvious.

[Anonymous No.6160407]

>>6159764
>>6159770
>>6159995
ngmi

[Anonymous No.6160417]

>>6159770
Okay but can it make comics or animations with that character that consistently look the same?
NO? gg AI you were so close to replacing us :^ )

[Anonymous No.6160508]

If new whole series of comics can be made with the tap of a button then what’s the point of any of it? Won’t the value of comics just plummet?

[Anonymous No.6160511]

>>6160508
Isn't there something like AI Dungeon that should've replaced adventure writing by now?

[Anonymous No.6160528]

>>6160511
I think I’ve heard of it. I don’t know what would happen to a medium if it was to be flooded with mid tier works made by AI instantly. It would certainly lose value, but what would happen after that? Surely people wouldn’t give up on it altogether.

[Anonymous No.6160536]

>>6159764
>>6159995
>That's just the thing though, AI is going to kill everyone's jobs before 2030
What about competitive sports like chess or esports? I can download a chess AI and beat Carlson with a 100% chance, and yet him and thousands of other chess players have not quit because of that. It's because he doesn't give a shit if AI is better than him at chess, because he knows that it's just strings of numbers, and not flesh and blood, and therefore not a fair comparison.

If AI in art is so scary, then please explain to me, why AI (that has been around for almost 3 decades now) hasn't killed sports like chess.
>inb4 because it's a competitive sport
Okay, well what about people who play chess as a hobby, they haven't quit because of AI, so why should we?

AI is just going to be something we'll have to get used to, and even if it gets as good as us someday (which it probably will, I should add). Then that doesn't mean that we can't still draw as a hobby, just like the people who play chess as a hobby, or any other kind of online sport.

[Anonymous No.6160552]

>>6160528
I'd say the market's already flooded. A bunch or even infinite more being added to the pile won't do anything.

[Anonymous No.6160603]

>>6160536
people enjoy art as a product. Chess is a performance art, people watch it for the process. Drawing and painting is not a performance art. People consume the result of what an artist makes, while people consume the process of a chess match. People don't just look up the results of chess matches as a hobby, chess is a completely different ball field.
Ai will replace artist because the only value it has is in the end result, which can be automated and no consumer would give a shit. AI will never replace chess players, because the value in chess is in the process of watching to humans play chess. There is no value in the match results.

[Anonymous No.6160680]

>>6160603
What about people who do drawing streams? I don't have a picture on hand but I've seen a lot of people who do art commissions as a form of larp and focus on the human-to-human interaction of it. They feel something towards a person who is spending time making something that they want.

[Anonymous No.6160682]

>>6160603
I pity you. Did you ever really love making art or did you just want someone to finally say you were good at something?

[Anonymous No.6160689]

>>6160536
pretty much this >>6160603
but also to your question
>what about people who play chess as a hobby, they haven't quit because of AI, so why should we?
Of course you can still do it as a hobby but how will you be able to make a living from it?

[Anonymous No.6160698]

The day I don't have to spend hours and hours drawing the art for my comics will be a good day.

Anyway, postan in a bot thread.

[Anonymous No.6160699]

>Not letting an artist be an artist

[Anonymous No.6160700]

>>6160682
ai or not I'm still going to make art desu, no matter what the fuck happens I'm still going to make my comics and animations. I'm just bummed now that I can't spend every waking second on it now, wagie life is shit

[Anonymous No.6160702]

brehs, i just discovered this weird software that automates beats, synthesizes musical instruments, and autotunes your bad singing into being on key. all without having to actually learn an instrument. we got too cocky music bros.

[Anonymous No.6160704]

>>6160699
we need another adolf, techie holocaust when

[Anonymous No.6160869]

>>6160010
>>"Hey, AI, can you make a comic about my OC having an epic fight with this other guy's OC in this literally who's style I randomly found in some anon board, with dragon ball effect and all that shit? I want it to have the script of this obscure sick chinese film I found on on a pirate site too"
>>"what the fuck is an OC"
>>AI proceeds to do a lovecraftian horror clusterfuck of characters in a script that has nothing to do with the original because nothing the client asked was on the database.
>Nice try.
Except that every comic in existence is inspired indirectly by other comics and existing ideas. Humans aren't capable of making something original in the first place

[Anonymous No.6160887]

AI can't draw my characters in my style so it's basically functionally useless.

[Anonymous No.6160911]

>>6159764
webtoonsisters..... we lost

[Anonymous No.6160914]

[Anonymous No.6160917]

>>6159764
Alright, who let the AI doomposter back on the computer? He was supposed to be grounded for the rest of this month. Now he's going to have to be spanked and grounded for an EXTRA month. And do the dishes every night while he's grounded, on top of that. You're in big trouble now, buster.

[Anonymous No.6160921]

>>6160603
>drawing and painting is not a performance art
Say that to Kim Jung Gi and drawing streamers

[Anonymous No.6160923]

>>6159764
If an AI could write my comics story for me I'd love to use it. I'd worry it recycles the same lines no matter what your input is though

[Anonymous No.6160926]

>>6160232
soulless trash that screams "made by ai"

[Anonymous No.6160927]

>>6160917
>fuck i am getting confronted with reality again, BAN HIM BAN HIM BAN HIM LALALA I CANT HEAR YOU

[Anonymous No.6160930]

>>6160923
If it takes zero effort the market will get saturated to hell and you wont make a dime

[Anonymous No.6160933]

>>6160869
>Except that every comic in existence is inspired indirectly by other comics and existing ideas.
That has literally nothing to do with what I just pointed out, you idiot. Are you trying to compare the copy-paste process of an AI with your average human inspiration process? Cause I assure you if I show those prompts I mentioned to your average comic artist, they will not just stamp and duct tape the source material into the canvas unlike your "human replacement technology".
>Humans aren't capable of making something original in the first place
Speak for your own lack of creativity, faggot, I literally gave you a cohesive set of ideas and prompts to make an original product.
>b-but that is not original!!
By definition it is, and assuming it isnt, that makes anything an AI does far less original since it just takes things from it's database, if it doesnt exists in the database, it cannot be created.

Say whatever you want, an AI cannot give me my obscure chinese film based fight starring OC A and OC B with dragon ball effects in the style of random 4chan anon and that makes it completely useless.
>b-but you should use only random tropes from existing information!!!
And that alone makes your AI not only useless, but also worthless.

>>6160887
This, dammit.

[Anonymous No.6160975]

>Four elements are required for self-defense: (1) an unprovoked attack, (2) which threatens imminent injury or death, and (3) an objectively reasonable degree of force, used in response to (4) an objectively reasonable fear of injury or death.
given the current requirements for self defense in the U.S. it is perfectly legal for artists to defend themselves against ai fags kek

[Anonymous No.6160980]

>>6160933
>Say whatever you want, an AI cannot give me my obscure chinese film based fight starring OC A and OC B with dragon ball effects in the style of random 4chan anon and that makes it completely useless.
And you couldn't commission any human to make that either, without explaining what your OCs are. Cope harder

[Anonymous No.6160982]

>>6160887
Except it can, if you just explain what your style is

[Anonymous No.6161248]

I distinctly remember people coping in DALLE-2 threads by saying that A.I. will never be able to make comics. LMAO

[Anonymous No.6161270]

>>6160248
Maybe one day it won’t look like shot. Stop spamming these threads, samefag.

[Anonymous No.6161287]

>>6160314
>Your free trial of Love Bot AI is now over! Please provide a credit number to continue, you will be billed $9.99 monthly

[Anonymous No.6161307]

>>6161248
Except DALLE-2 is incredibly suspicious as a product. Only a select few people are allowed to use it, all of them are in the AI industry and had a financial incentive to make DALLE-2 look cool in order to boost funding for other AI projects. Open AI have been caught faking data before, all the DALLE-2 pictures you see online are carefully curated to make it look better than it actually is.

[Anonymous No.6161311]

>>6161307
>all the DALLE-2 pictures you see online are carefully curated to make it look better than it actually is
I have access and yes I confirm that is true. Or maybe my promptcraft is just weak idk.

[Anonymous No.6161357]

I've been trying midjourney and the more specific you are the worse it is.
If you just go with no idea what you want or really vague prompts you will get something good.

If you get specific it just fucks up and defaults to making abstract art and fractal patterns and rorshach ink blots.

[Anonymous No.6161378]

>Hundreds of fags screeching coping and being genuine doom cucks over AI art
>Get curious
>Get to try out dall e
>Ask it to draw a mecha rainbow unicorn walking down a rainbow with two laser guns
>It tells me to go fuck myself because its mormon
>Tell it make an image of jamie oliver back flipping in san francisco
>The thing looks corrupt as hell as I am using dall e mini
You guys are fearing shit over nothing, AI will not replace art or anything at all because it will be lobotomized to balls and beyond, Pic rel is the poor attempt of what I am trying to tell it to draw.

[Anonymous No.6161402]

Why haven't the mods banned this schizo idiot yet?:

>>6159764
>>6159767
>>6159768
>>6159770

[Anonymous No.6161422]

>>6161378
Bttw shit tho I might borrow its color palette looks rad.

[Anonymous No.6161452]

>>6161422
Yeah most examples of ai i've seen are very good at color palettes.

[Anonymous No.6161525]

>>6160980
>I've never commissioned or requested an artist
Dumb ass bitch. Of fucking course you have to explain shit to the artist in order to make it. That being said, what makes you think your lovecraftnian horror generator can understand the OCs better than your average fleshed and boned artist? Remember, if it's not on the database, it cant be created.
All this lame excuses makes me question whether you are bating or not, you're essentially avoiding the arguments with nonsensical fallacies.

[Anonymous No.6162982]

>>6161378
>poor attempt of what I am trying to tell it to draw.
it's pretty cool looking honestly...

[Anonymous No.6162994]

>>6159764
This is a gift not a threat. You can use it too.

[Anonymous No.6162995]

why do people still buy hand made pottery if the machines can do it faster?

[Anonymous No.6163000]

>>6162995
>machine made art can look identical to hand made
>some retard can come along, take ai generated art, and say he made it

[Anonymous No.6163003]

>>6163000
His business wouldn’t last. The creative process being an open thing may be a bigger, more expected deal from artist with the rise of automation. Everyone has a camera on them.

[Anonymous No.6163010]

>>6159764
Webcomics with a storyline were always shitty anyway. If companies actually don’t advantage of this then I don’t see much of a problem.

[Anonymous No.6163024]

>>6159995
>/pol/ tricked me
How? /pol/ is always denouncing the International Jew and globalization, this is only a "leftist" issue in the sense that the left is the recruiting center for goons who will uphold the system and bash down any counter-culture, they're tools and their goals are irrelevant to the powers that be, only their busybodying is necessary.

Also, you are wrong to assume artists will be the first to go.
Art is very complex, many easier jobs will get replaced first. The only reason you think art is getting replaced "tomorrow" is because there is no right/wrong in art, so you see a half-baked, "almost there" drawing done by a robot and think that's good enough, but it's not. It can't be turned into a product yet.

Many other jobs are also in this "almost there" stage when it comes to automation, but it's not something that you can easily show like you can with a picture.

[Anonymous No.6163030]

>>6163024
>the left is the recruiting center for goons who will uphold the system and bash down any counter-culture, they're tools and their goals are irrelevant to the powers that be, only their busybodying is necessary.
what??? This is a capitalism issue, which is upheld by the right.

[Anonymous No.6163044]

>>6163030
After 2 years of an absolute "COMPLY!" attitude from the left, this is extremely disingenuous of you to say.
Again, it doesn't matter what the leftist ""thinks"", but what it accomplishes for the people controlling its actions. Stop looking at the finger, retard.

[Anonymous No.6163062]

>>6163024
I think there will soon be a demand for AI overpaint artists for the purpose of elevating the art to something that can be copyrighted and also to fix the visual errors. That seems like the logical intermediate step before the technology is perfected.

[Anonymous No.6163065]

>>6160508
>Won’t the value of comics just plummet?
can't get below 0

[Anonymous No.6163068]

>>6163003
That sounds nightmarish