/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.6148175]

How the fuck I draw from imagination, I've been drawing for 3 years for a living now and I still can't anything without refs FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

[Anonymous No.6148178]

>>6148175
Have you actually tried to draw something from imagination yet?

[Anonymous No.6148183]

>>6148178
Everyday I do 1 hour of warmup half with refs half without besides that it's drawing from refs and having to change camera angles, composition, clothes and character details to match what they want

[Anonymous No.6148184]

>>6148175
so draw with refs.

[Anonymous No.6148229]

>>6148175
>for a living
what are you complaining for then

[Anonymous No.6148233]

>>6148229
Clown take honk honk. /ic prema state.

[Anonymous No.6148235]

>>6148233
perma*

[Anonymous No.6148264]

>>6148175
if you cant imagine you cant do it. learn to imagine vividly first

[Anonymous No.6148292]

>>6148175
that some heavy chicken scratch.

if you have a hard time drawing from imagination, start by mixing two ref, take the pose of one and the clothe of the other for example.

[Anonymous No.6148654]

>>6148175
One word:
Construction

[Anonymous No.6148789]

>>6148175
This is what we invented construction for, ya doofus
Unironically just read fun with a pencil and draw goofy lil cartoon people. Also watch this video of Steven Zapata talking about drawing from imagination- https://youtu.be/xoY4C9dXshw

[Anonymous No.6149053]

>>6148175
>I still can't anything without refs
Do you mean your poses and proportions not so good as you want? Try this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-Ej9EIlfoc

[Anonymous No.6149056]

>>6148183
So, not much.

[Anonymous No.6149090]

>>6148175
The anime girls are fine but the skeletons look like they were drawn by a 14 year old. Just to clarify you have to be at least 18 to use this website

[Anonymous No.6149331]

>>6149056
For 10 or so years years

[Anonymous No.6149336]

>>6148175
What do you mean?
Are you a xerox monkey or you can made up things but only when using refs?

[Anonymous No.6149562]

>>6148175
drawing from imagination is the hardest skill, it takes a long time to develop it

[Anonymous No.6150642]

>>6148175
Heres a helpful bit of art advice.
Every artist uses references.
One of the only times they don't is when they've drawn the thing they're drawing hundreds upon thousands of time.

[Anonymous No.6150649]

>>6148175
Study like I did.

[Anonymous No.6150767]

>>6148175
Well if you cant do it, then dont do it. Theres nothing wrong with using references. It's not like you're tracing.

[Anonymous No.6150788]

I've stagnated hard because of my obsession with imagination drawing. There is this 15 year old girl (allegedly) on instagram who draws really beautiful figures and always writes "Sketchin from imagination :)" on her posts and it pisses me off and makes me jealous to no end. If anyone asks how she got that good she writes something like "idk haha tysm idk i just draw :)"

I've been grinding for years and I'm still nowhere near that level of imagination drawing, and I get mogged by some 15 year old. I constantly rail between feeling like she's lying and I got memed, and feeling like I just don't have talent. It's genuinely blackpilling either way. Either that shit is just not possible and she's lying, or I'm a talentless loser. Fuck it all, I hate drawing so much, I just HAD to pick one of the most genetics dependent hobbies ever. Fuck me so hard I hate it all.

[Anonymous No.6150791]

>>6150788
Post her work

[Anonymous No.6150796]

>>6150791
Honestly tell me, am I just that insecure and easily impressed or is this actually impressive if it's really done by a 15 year old from imagination?

It's not like she's constructing some soulless mannequin and tastelessly slapping vague anatomical volumes onto them, it all feels coherent and really intelligently designed. The gesture is good and it all has very solid structure. If this isn't some 30 year old veteran neckbeard artist lying for instagram approval then it's over. Talent is unironically real.

[Anonymous No.6150798]

It just HAS to be bullshit, right??

[Anonymous No.6150801]

>>6150796
>>6150798
shit, these are good
I fucking kneel

[Anonymous No.6150807]

>>6150798
>0798▶
>File: b.png (186 KB, 933x538)
This is a basic looking gesture drawing. If you think this is mindblowing, then yes, you're highly unskilled. At 15 years old, a natural born artist will draw competently enough to do something as basic as this. Also, if you're concerned about how old you are relative to your drawing skill, you might as well just stop drawing altogether. You're petty.

[Anonymous No.6150818]

>>6150807
post your work, larping dunning kruger.

[Anonymous No.6150822]

>>6150801
You have no idea how demoralized I've become over this. I went through all the stages of grief
>That's not real, it's not even that good anyway
>WHY THE FUCK CAN'T I DO THIS
>I-I can learn to do that t-too as long as I work hard and believe in myself!! I just need to go through the 100th meme course and this time it'll work out!! I just need to loosen up!
>I'm worthless

And finally the acceptance stage where I just fucking give up because I can't take this shit anymore, I think 24/7 about how shit I am.

>>6150807
I don't think you fully understand what it takes to draw these things from imagination, this isn't "just a gesture drawing", it shows a lot of understanding in terms of anatomy, shape appeal and design, form, AND gesture. All from imagination too.

I mean, can you shit out something that is equivalently appealing and coherent right now? Without any references. Probably not. Pic rel is the best I can do but I'm 10 years older than her and I've been tryharding for 3 years and it's still incredibly off key, unappealing and uncanny. It's over.

[Anonymous No.6150823]

>>6150796
>>6150798
where is she from? hope she doesn't ruin her gift by going to a shitty art school and ending up drawing fat tranny niggers with vitiligo

[Anonymous No.6150829]

>>6150822
>>6150822
>I don't think you fully understand what it takes to draw these things from imagination

I'm an artist and I draw from imagination every day. And yes, these are basic gesture drawings. Gesture includes perspective. And if you want to draw with me, then post a link to a paintchat and I'd be happy to make you feel dumb.

[Anonymous No.6150836]

>>6150796
>>6150798
These are amazing for a 15 years old, I believe she could be a prodigy.
Still not as good as me though, even at that age.

[Anonymous No.6150837]

>>6150822
These arent even that bad, the lineweight is what brings it down and it matches your schizo neurotic posts
Based for pywing tho

[Anonymous No.6150838]

>>6150796
>>6150798
what's her @?

[Anonymous No.6150839]

>>6150807
These are very sophisticated figures, the perspective and foreshortening are not basic by any means
>>6150829
Pyw work nigger or stop shitting up the thread

[Anonymous No.6150840]

>>6150829
at least he posted his work dumb faggot

[Anonymous No.6150842]

>>6148175
What's the sauce on the Lio picture?

[Anonymous No.6150848]

>>6150796
>>6150798

Don't be so self-centered and give her instagram so we can follow and learn from her, don't be a jealous cvnt, it won't help you improve.
.
You deleted your own work but I gotta say your hands need improvement and your figures lack rhythm. Some features are stylized in a bad way too (Knees too pointy etc.)

[Anonymous No.6150861]

>bweeeh why is a random teen better than me
pathetic. simply pathetic
don't just sit and whine here
what you need to do is you need work on your art OR to crush her self-esteem by relentlessly crabbing on her work and drowning it in pointless mean-spirited criticism from multiple accounts on all available platforms until she drops the hobby entirely
but no you're just gonna bweeh here instead
pathetic

[Anonymous No.6150969]

>>6150796
>>6150798
Wow, these really are beautiful.
Found her insta, btw, for those who are interested.
https://www.instagram.com/silverstar1243/

[Anonymous No.6150978]

>>6150788
>>6150822
You're way, WAY too fucking hard on yourself. I mean, I thought I could be an asshole to myself, but damn. You really take the cake for needless self loathing.
I'm 27 fuckin' years old. I've been drawing all my life, started getting into more serious learning in high school, been drawing ten years since then, and I don't even think I'm as good as YOU are, let alone that kid. There is absolutely no sense in getting so worked up over things that are out of your control like this, but I know you feel like this because you care and you WANT to reach those lofty heights.
You put hard work into what you can do now. YOU cared enough to put in the study and time, YOU had the grit and the determination to claw your way free of the /beg/ pit. So keep doing what YOU are good at doing, what YOUR talent is- putting in that grind like a motherfucker. You aren't some lazy wishy washy shit like me, you've got drive, and it fucking shows. Your art is worth fighting for.

[Anonymous No.6150995]

>>6148292
>chicken scratch
Agree. Not to be a Prokofag, but OP >>6148175 you could learn a thing or two about his sketching style. And y'know, the usual shape-form-structure fundamentals that seem somewhat lacking in your drawings from imagination.

[Anonymous No.6151000]

>>6150649
I like it. Seems like it would need a little bit of polish but that'll come probably by refining whatever method you used to get this result. Also tf with the unreadable text? I would hope it's on purpose or something.

[Anonymous No.6151005]

>>6148175
Drawing without reference is something reserved for old masters in their 50's/60's, so don't worry about it.

[Anonymous No.6151008]

>>6150969
I would believe she is 16 if this was a lot more casual. the professional artist feel to her profile and the fucking gumroad link really gives away that she is probably a 25 year old with a angle.

I mean, I don't know, she could also be just smart enough to know to monetize her work or maybe she does have some help from people who know what they are doing. But the more you think about all the coincidences the chances get lower and lower.

[Anonymous No.6151095]

>>6151000
Danke, I don't really like finishing things, its more fun to scribble nonsense

[Anonymous No.6151096]

>>6149331
So, not much

[Anonymous No.6151189]

>>6151096
Yesterday I finally learned to draw from imagination

[Anonymous No.6151219]

>>6150798
>>6150796
She could be 16 with incredible teachers. She has a story with weekly gestures so even if she is 16, she probably draws almost non-stop everyday with great help. But being younger is an advantage in art, not a disadvantage

[Anonymous No.6151238]

>>6150798
Was there ever a cam filming her while drawing? I thought so

[Anonymous No.6151382]

>>6148175
Kind of funny, since I have trouble drawing from refs but no issues from imagination.
However, I have to thank Loomis and Vilppu for that with the knowledge provided. Even looking at the work you posted, seems like you still need to understand the basics, OP.

[Anonymous No.6151417]

i am not the best artist, nor am i the best teacher, but i think your problems lie in a lack of focus rather than a lack of practice
when you use reference actually think about what you're drawing. the width of the eyes in proportion to everything else on the face, what's symmetrical and what's not, ect

a lot of word diarrhea here but i hope this helps even if only a little

[Anonymous No.6151421]

>>6150796
>>6150798
>16 year old tranny mogs all of /ic/
lmao

[Anonymous No.6151422]

>>6150796
>>6150798
>>6150969
>canadian/korean
Asian genes strike again.

[Anonymous No.6151649]

>work looks exactly like that of a 16-year-old artist
>operative word: artist
>/ic/ still doesn’t realize you’re born with it or you’re not
>/ic/ weren’t art nerds as young kids
>/ic/ didn’t have artist peers who drew all day
>/ic/ full of posers who want to be good at drawing just for likes and attention
>/ic/ were never artists

[Anonymous No.6151657]

hi im 2yo and i wurk nintendo doin concept four the next zelda game AMA sory im stil learnin two write

[Anonymous No.6151724]

>>6151649
>no work posted
Nice word salad but I'm not reading

[Anonymous No.6151731]

>>6151649
I hope there aren't people that actually feetl for this bait and get discouraged

[Anonymous No.6151739]

Precisely 0 of the people scoffing at imaginationtranny's work or saying that they're as good/better have posted their work.

[Anonymous No.6151753]

>>6151739
Yeah, here's the thing dude. People with talent and a following rarely post their work here because they don't want you to be able to follow them. They also don't want to be canceled for being honest. The majority of work posted is going to be by people who have nothing to lose by sharing their work because they're unknown or have very low expectations of being popular.

[Anonymous No.6151761]

>>6151753
Total coping bullshit. Talented people aren't shitposting on ic in the first place, you are just a loser pbeg using anonymity to larp as competent. Nobody can track you down off some sketches you don't post. Not that anyone would track down your sub1k twitter via your beg doodles, but speaking hypothetically if a talented artist posted. Classic "Ugh I'm too popular to post my work..." permabeg retardposting.

[Anonymous No.6151769]

>>6151761
Lek. Nah, I don’t post my work, I invite people to come draw with me. I don’t get anything out of sharing my work with less skilled people. That’s like being a black belt in a martial art and trying to impress a pizza delivery boy by breaking his arm. If someone is in my realm, they will draw in my presence. True skill must be witnessed in real-time. I could post a sketch that took me an hour and say it took me 5 minutes. Anyone here can do that. If you want to measure someone’s ability, draw with them or watch them live.

[Anonymous No.6151771]

>>6151761
Get rid of all the degenerate stuff going on here in the board and I'll start posting my work here again, 4chan and /ic/ made its bed. NTA

[Anonymous No.6151806]

>>6151761
Talented people love shitposting. Most have APD, autism, or sociopathic traits. They lace their posts with truths that people can’t handle.

[Anonymous No.6152017]

>>6148175
>>6150796
>>6150798
>>6150969
I'm not doubting her age, but how do we know for sure, that she didn't use reference for these images? Even the best artists have to use reference, Yusuke Murata, Ruan Jia, Craig Mullins, etc. All of them use reference in their work, whether it be for constructing buildings or people, or using dolls or real life reference, a lot of good artists use it.

tl;dr no shame in using reference, seeing as 99% of artists use it.

[Anonymous No.6152042]

>>6148175
>>6150796
>>6150798
>>6152017
Seriously, the creator of Innocent, admits to using reference in a video, even going as far as to dress his interns up in costumes, so he can get the pose, with the clothing. The fact there's such a stigmatization against using reference is beyond me. Refusing to use reference, will only hold you back.

https://youtu.be/TDpn9fdsRbY
12:45

[Anonymous No.6152112]

>>6148175
just keep drawing niggerfaggot

t. never read a book or guides, only draww

[Anonymous No.6152114]

forgot to say I'm asian

[Anonymous No.6152145]

You can do it right now anon. Like everything else in the world the more you do it the better you will get at it.
I hate looking for refs (and some of them would be illegal lmao) so I primarily draw from my head. It takes a lot longer and requires a lot of learning. Do a lot of figure and gesture drawing both from real life and from photos and don't just do the same thing when drawing each time. Change up your time you spend on each of them as well as what you are drawing with. I recommend 30 seconds, one minute, five min, ten min, half an hour for each session (doing multiple of the shorter ones).

[Anonymous No.6152151]

>>6152145
Oh and I forgot to mention that doing thumbnails helps immensely. Even just drawing a small stick figure before you start the full drawing will really help to keep you on track and gives you something to work off of instead of trying to draw the full thing right away.

[Anonymous No.6152178]

>>6152017
she takes figure drawing classes so it's not strange to be able to draw good figures from imagination if you combine experience with a talented individual. If you get used to drawing figure drawings you can build a better visual library of different poses. Now if someone were to draw academic and realistic anatomy and proportions completely accurately then I would call BS but her drawings are stylized so it's not unlikely she didn't use ref.

[Anonymous No.6152184]

She is 22 and is working for an indie game company

[Anonymous No.6153787]

>>6148175
Read this book I wrote.

[Anonymous No.6153933]

>>6150807
Yet you can't even draw this now and you're over 30 years old

[Anonymous No.6153936]

>>6152017
Or instead of desperately grasping for cope, you could accept that not only is it possible to draw figures from imagination, it's desireable to have that skill.

[Anonymous No.6153937]

>>6153936
Also it’s the most fun.

[Anonymous No.6153938]

>>6148175
Like this.
Learn perspective and make it out of cubes

[Anonymous No.6153950]

>>6153933
Do you want to draw with me?

[Anonymous No.6154116]

>>6153933
Anonymity is cancer for art communities because talentless begs can larp as something more like that guy

[Anonymous No.6154128]

>>6153950
nta but seriously join the drawpile. We need more people.

[Anonymous No.6154144]

>>6150969
There is no chance in hell that's a 16 year old girl. They're a dude at least in their late 20s, and they likely have some formal training. You don't just rigorously practice the shit you need to practice to get to that level that early in life and then randomly gear shift into drawing cute girls. The kind of art they're drawing is incompatible with the kind of training they'd need to be able to draw it, at least at that age.

[Anonymous No.6154151]

>>6154144
He literally has a gumroad and he constantly shills comms. It's 100% some side gig larp

[Anonymous No.6154167]

>>6148175
is that the fucking sans aus? Props for having the confidence to post that, kek.
>>6151417
Excellent critique!

[Anonymous No.6154315]

Everyone already mentioned but construction, you don't even seem to know anatomy so how do you expect to draw something when you don't know what you're drawing. Btw This hurts to look at, stop chicken scratching.

[Anonymous No.6154323]

>>6151417

You’re what this board needs but not what it deserves. Great crits. Also I giggled at the last point.

[Anonymous No.6154634]

>>6151417
This is beautiful

[Anonymous No.6156383]

>>6150798
It's good, better than I can do, but it isn't prodigy level. Girl has skill, and it's clear she had been drawing during her formative years.
What you retards don't understand is that a huge part of drawing well is good line control. If you have good line control, the rest of it falls into place. If part of your drawing process involves fighting your shaky hands as your struggle to draw a curve, then you're not going to learn as fast as someone who can draw whatever line they want.

[Anonymous No.6156418]

>>6151417
tfw people make threads about themselves instead of going to /beg/ because some god might give personal drawing advice