/atg/ Animation Thread General

[Anonymous No.6147033]

>51 exercises to try
http://www.animatorisland.com/51-great-animation-exercises-to-master/
>Books basic program tutorials, etc.
https://mega.co.nz/#F!3p8CwQZD!DR2mC-kw0TyQQ8Uw3T6JYg

>Reference
http://www.referencereference.com/
https://vimeo.com/groups/aniref
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRvspTjApofA2Yg3i10gTdQ
http://www.rhinohouse.com/

>Anime .gif/.webm repository
https://sakugabooru.com/post

>Play YT videos frame-by-frame
http://rowvid.com/
or just pause the video and use the , and . keys (This doesn't always work but worth a try)

[Anonymous No.6147086]

I wanted to post ITT & share my work, but then I saw the stupid porn thumbnail & decided otherwise.

[Anonymous No.6147090]

>>6147086
Based

[Anonymous No.6147108]

I didn't care about animation but the coom gif dragged me in and now I have decided to become an animator

[Anonymous No.6147136]

Fuck off coomers, I just want to make funny cartoons.

[Anonymous No.6147255]

>>6147033
Why a fucking porno thumbnail

[Anonymous No.6147256]

>>6147136
>>6147255
Red board, deal with it.

[Anonymous No.6147277]

WHY IS THE OP GETTING SMALLER AND SMALLER?

WHERE IS SETTEI DREAMS?

[Anonymous No.6147292]

>>6147086
>>6147136
>>6147255
why do you hate women?

[Anonymous No.6147308]

I should probably just focus on regular drawing first, but it's still fun to fuck around

[Anonymous No.6147310]

>>6147308
rotating boxes in space is hard

[Anonymous No.6147311]

>>6147308
>>6147310
this one was simple and the most fun

[@ 6147292 No.6147750]

Why are you an addict?

[Anonymous No.6147933]

>>6147277
Indeed, the archives show we had way more content just back in February. Even the webmail was from there!

[Anonymous No.6147938]

>>6147311
Try overshooting it a bit, it will sell off the impact better

[Anonymous No.6148171]

So what's your consensus on vector animation?

[Anonymous No.6148177]

So what's your consensus on vector animation?

[Anonymous No.6149288]

>>6148177
looks like shit

[Anonymous No.6149304]

>>6148177
shit, right
might as well animate breast properly

[Anonymous No.6149323]

>>6147938
overshoot it how?

[Anonymous No.6149413]

>>6147033
Did some primitive Dorothy dance. Sound is available only to premium users

[Anonymous No.6149782]

>>6148177
Rarely ever good and most only use it for porn

[Anonymous No.6149806]

>>6148177
looks good for porn but i doubt it will ever catch on for normal animation

[Anonymous No.6149842]

>>6149413
Hey for once you actually animated for real instead of editing an illustration. The legs look like shit without the context of the rest of their motion

[Anonymous No.6149848]

Released another short cartoon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onqF5N4o8E4
Time to finally finish editing my first big one too after this.

[Anonymous No.6149885]

>>6148177
only in cutscenes
https://youtu.be/LVEKMyaUKvw

[Anonymous No.6150121]

>>6148177

[Anonymous No.6150655]

>>6148177
That's not vector animation, that's 2d skeletal animation.
I think it only looks good for subtle animation, otherwise it looks really cheap.

[Anonymous No.6150870]

If I wanted to experiment with cel animation (not feasible long term but it looks fun and I'd like to try once at least), what'd be the most economical way to actually get cels or something equivalent? The cheapest option I see, should it actually work, is baking acetate (in Leafland it's like $12 for a dozen actual papers vs the same price for about 65 sheets worth of baking acetate), but I imagine it might be too thick and/or permanently rolled up

[Anonymous No.6151220]

Total beginner here, what exactly are inbetweens I don't get it.
What I am currently doing is following a tutorial, adding pictures to a timeframe in photoshop and resizing them by lenght but I'm at a point where the tutorial indicates that you add inbetweens.

[Anonymous No.6151226]

>>6151220

[Anonymous No.6151250]

>>6148177
Might as well do 3d instead at that point

[Anonymous No.6151543]

>>6150655
>That's not vector animation, that's 2d skeletal animation.
that drawing is put on a 3d mesh, and anything 3d is basically a vector so youre wrong.

[Anonymous No.6151630]

posting on the coomer thread

[Anonymous No.6151632]

posting on the coomer thread

[Anonymous No.6151674]

>>6149323
Let it crash further in the ground, it feels unnatural to lose all the momentum instantaneously.
You can overshoot by keeping the last frame as it is and adding a frame with the brick buried some more right before it.

[Anonymous No.6151847]

Hey guys, got some questions.
First off, im new to the game so i don't know much, please correct me if i got
something glaringly wrong. Some of you may know hentai visual novels that have basic animations in it. The animation itself isn't looking too fancy, but it conveys quite good what it intends to do, lol. It really isn't that smooth looking and focuses on certain motions.
I would really like to know how this kind of animation-technique is called altough i already think that it might be "vector-animations"? Which software and resources would you recommend me to learn the this stuff?

Also just from pure obersvation without knowing anything, it seems like that this kind of
animation seems to be used in h-simulator games (in which you can interact in real time with the model, touch parts that will move in different motions, and other stuff), could this also still be a vector animation? Thanks in advance!

[Anonymous No.6152003]

Guys you can try this out to pose your character!
https://app.justsketch.me

[Anonymous No.6152195]

>>6151543
It's a raster graphic on a mesh. No one refers to raster as vector because they are total opposites, you technical retard.

[Anonymous No.6152241]

>>6152195
no thats not how raster works lol. there is a hierarchy at play here. because that image is attached to a 3d object. you can scale that 3d object infinitely because its a fucking VECTOR. the contents do not matter. it has nothing to do with technicality, thats literally just how a 3d object works

[Anonymous No.6152248]

>>6147033
Holy shit thats gotta be some of the best boob sway animation ive seen

[Anonymous No.6152262]

I'm confused about the right arm, does it feel to fast as of now. Also does the overall timing feel off?

[Anonymous No.6152264]

>>6152262
Timing is a little off. The arm should still be swinging up when the body is moving down and vice versa but otherwise it looks fine

[Anonymous No.6152834]

>>6149806
It doesn't even look good for that. It's disgusting. Complete turn off.ahwnr

[Anonymous No.6153098]

>>6151632

[Anonymous No.6153153]

should I get adobe after effects or adobe animate for animating..?

I heard someone say after effects once so I'm uncertain

[Anonymous No.6153185]

>>6148177
Looks creepy and unsettling to me, but I'm sure coomers with low standards will eat it up

[Anonymous No.6153638]

>>6150870
Not sure if anyone cares but I found two cheaper alternatives that could be worth it
>Overhead projector sheets: $25 for 100, guaranteed to work as I've heard of other people using these
>Lamination sheets: $25 for 200 (technically 400 if it works since they're like pic related), but idk the material or how hard they are to split
Still open to suggestions if any anons have done trad animation

[Anonymous No.6153678]

not dead yet

[Anonymous No.6153693]

>>6148177
actual vector animation?
you mean that stuff like that one flash porn game about Kasumi from DoA, where you could do a lot of stuff to her?
or well at least they said he used vector control for that
yeah that was quite neat

but what you show is pretty much pic related
and no, its not good

[Anonymous No.6153816]

>>6151632
I remember someone (possibly) asking (possibly) you this before in an old thread but howd u learn to animate in what I assume blender?

[Anonymous No.6153824]

>>6153693
kino

[Anonymous No.6153827]

>>6153678
anime/10

[Anonymous No.6153871]

>>6153816
Im still learning so take it with a grain of salt
In terms of blender itself if you dont know where the timeline is or what's the difference between moving stuff in object mode or edit mode then you should start with bearing through basic tutorials on how to use the damn thing. Also blender is very shortcut heavy so if you are not using your keyboard for most functions look into that too since you are already going to waste a good chunk of your time.
In terms of animation you should be setting your keyframes to constant from the get go, lay out your poses one frame next to eachother and compare them with alt+scrollwheel. worry about the timing later, if you are planning on it only being viewed from your camera view you should mainly compare the poses and their silhouette from said view, once you are either happy with what you got or tired enough to not give a shit how it looks then start dragging the keyframes around and look for a clearer timing, make sure you applied keys even for bones you havent used yet just in case you change something on one frame it wont unknowingly change shit elsewhere. Once you are done with that start adding inbetweens.
shift+e(inbetween),alt+e(relax),ctrl+e(overshoot) will interpolate between the previous and next frame in a boring computer fashion so you should adjust them to follow the arc you made up. if you cant think of an arc put a bezier curve on your viewport or sketch it or some othershit, speaking of arcs, blender has a thing called motion paths which can be useful to identify bits that are out of sync but you should not use it as a replacement for actual animation arcs since its comparing bone position but not the character itself.
Also be ready to waste a lot of time and redo a bunch of shit, most of the little details that you need to know to make using 3d programs bearable have to be learned by fucking up

[Anonymous No.6153983]

>>6153871
thanks for the info dump! lotta what ur saying is lost on me cuz i haven't really reached that far deep in the rabbit hole but I'm sure it'll come to me when I do

animating/animation wise tho, is there a good place to get animateable models? I'm assuming that guilty gear model was ripped from the game, kinda wanna see how fun/enjoyable/hard/easy it'll be to try animating despite being in my baby brained blender state

[Anonymous No.6153995]

>>6153983
smutba.se/open3dlab is the first that comes to mind, take your time, there's a lot of different aspects to get used to so dont think you need to know about everything just to get started.
Also something that still fucks me over is that you need to always consider the order of the armature, since animating takes a long time what you are keyframing and moving around is most likely parented to another bone that you might have keyframed and moved around before which means that you are going to be wrestling with your past self a lot of the time keep notes around to make sure you dont start moving stuff out of order.
Also since you said you were starting out i had a feeling this might help https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ba0RbmonE6o&ab_channel=NeoCranium

[Anonymous No.6154058]

>>6153995
thankyou again! ill check both of these out

[Anonymous No.6154408]

>>6153153
Anyone? This may seem like a dumb question to you guys but I just want to be sure and start animating some shit already. I'm sure both work and by just function it seems like adobe animate is the proper choice to me so I guess ill just go with that if no one answers again.

[Anonymous No.6154412]

>>6154408
Depends on what kind of animating you want to do

[Anonymous No.6154418]

>>6154412
Well not sure honestly.
For now I just wanted to mess around a bit and do short animations like candles or splashing water, fun stuff like that.

[Anonymous No.6154420]

>>6154418
Just get Krita, it's free

[Anonymous No.6154421]

>>6154420
Well the other two are kind of free as well

[Anonymous No.6154424]

>>6154421
Then do Adobe Animate

[Anonymous No.6154425]

>>6154424
Alright got it. Thank you.

[Anonymous No.6154949]

>>6148177
Video related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KRb_qV9P4g
Also, fuck coomers, aka, gamers.

[Anonymous No.6155077]

man, i miss flash. it had the absolute shittiest drawing tools but its timeline and layers tools were fucking perfect. it was so intuitive. not to mention symbols, tweens, actionscripting, etc. you could do so much with it.
every drawing program that tries to do animation sucks at timeline features, and every animation program sucks at drawing features or costs way too much money.

storyboard pro was another one of those. shit was PERFECT. the absolute most perfect animation tool.

[Anonymous No.6155239]

>>6154949
oh shit even james baxter is an a.i. doomer

[Anonymous No.6155456]

Anyone have any sources on how Makota shinkai or Anime in general adds lighting and lens flare effects in their process? I understand they use After effects and such, but is there a video explaining how they do it?

[Anonymous No.6155471]

What program do i use to animate?
I want something with layers and pen support.
I dont wanna pay monthly fees but don't mind paying a one time thing if it's fair.

[Anonymous No.6155513]

>>6155471
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY2Mdi6Q7hA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PA6hxeptXCs

[Anonymous No.6156076]

>>6155077
iktf

[Anonymous No.6157141]

Best ipad animation software?

[Anonymous No.6157145]

>>6157141
Is that you? Clean your mirror.
I don't know

[Anonymous No.6157208]

>>6157141
RoughAnimator, Folioscope, and Sketchbook

[Anonymous No.6157223]

Does anyone else find animation 10x more mentally draining than drawing? I could sketch all day and not feel tired but a few frames of animation and im exhausted and losing focus/need a break.
(Pic is not mine btw i just like it)

[Anonymous No.6157226]

>>6157223
Same, but its because its genuinely a more arduous process especially if you're not a pro
Not only a lot of drawing, but a lot of tweaking timing, adjusting scale, making sure shit lines up, making sure things flow, etc etc
Its taxing

[Anonymous No.6157242]

>>6155077
Same, but I don't miss it because I still use it and you could too. I've used Flash cs6 for years

[Anonymous No.6157780]

>>6157141
Callipeg but it's a subscription model.

[Anonymous No.6157785]

>>6157223
Planning out the keys, breakdowns and guessing the preliminary timing is exhausting but doing inbetweens is pretty relaxing as long as I have setup good keys and breakdowns so everything fairly simple.
Inbetweens with perspective shifts are still mentally taxing though.

[Anonymous No.6157791]

>>6157223
opposite. sketching gets boring fast, but i can animate all day. key poses, then just keep adding breakdowns and suddenly it's tomorrow.
cleanup is a bitch though, so i never finish anything. if someone cracked tvpaint 11 so i could use the CTG tool i'd be set for life

[Anonymous No.6158188]

Is there a cracked ToonBoom anywhere? The mega and 1337 only have TVPaint 10

[Anonymous No.6159376]

>>6158188
Unrelated note but I'm pretty sure that .exe in the mega is some kind of malware or something

[Anonymous No.6159759]

>>6158188
1337 has a ToonBoom crack. Search for harmony and set the results to applications only.

[Anonymous No.6159912]

Keyframing a lil hop.

[Anonymous No.6159999]

>>6159912
Forgot the contact poses, added a bit.

[Anonymous No.6160542]

>>6159759
thanks i was searching toomboom like a dumbass
>>6159376
the program works at least lol. i'll run a windows defender scan and let you know what it finds

[Anonymous No.6160567]

>>6159999
oy what'cha doing here tiarawhy

[Anonymous No.6160828]

Strobing practice

[Anonymous No.6160862]

>>6160567
Pop in here once in a while :D

[Anonymous No.6161070]

>>6148177
looks good
do people ever bother to animate the highlights and shadows? I guess it would take forever huh...

[Anonymous No.6161071]

>>6153693
hly FUCK im looking for this exact gif for months thank you anon

[Anonymous No.6161101]

>>6160542
When I tried installing it it started opening some weird websites which made me abort the install at least. Downloaded it from elsewhere after.
Thinking it over it is weird but I guess I was overreacting because the file is very old and it gives only one reaction in virus total and 0 in windows defender.

[Anonymous No.6161232]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rh7GvhUEQUk
Still no idea how good this is gonna be but they seem to finally have a proper update and if the thumbnail is anything to go by the book might have some actual good reference art like the actual Animators survival kit

[Anonymous No.6161238]

>>6161232
Just found this smol JP channel too, apparently it's an organisation that helps new animators because of low wages and a bunch of them live together in dorms n shit, might be a great resource
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gk7gmgrURs

[Anonymous No.6161281]

Adobe Animate brushes are really soulless and the way you have to color there kind of sucks balls. Why did they make it so weird.

[Anonymous No.6161283]

>>6161281
cause its vector animation from 20 years ago designed for technology that literally isn't supported anymore.

[Anonymous No.6161292]

>>6161283
Really don't know what to use anymore at this point. The OP recommends tvpaint but that one seems really outdated, being almost 10 years old. Photoshop seems lacking, for clip studio I would have to upgrade..

[Anonymous No.6161302]

>>6161292
I haven't used them but I've seen people recommend krita, animation paper, opentoonz and pencil2d.

[Anonymous No.6161304]

>>6161302
Guess ill just keep trying out programs until I feel like it sits right with me then

[Anonymous No.6161651]

>>6159999
Hop

[Anonymous No.6162593]

[Anonymous No.6162606]

>>6148177
Efficient.

[Anonymous No.6162615]

>>6161281
this. adobe animate brushes look like they were tailor made for corporate art

[Anonymous No.6162631]

>>6154949
Hard to watch drama queen video.

[Anonymous No.6162970]

>>6151250
figured the same thing and wasted a couple of years studying with 3D before coming to the conclusion that the setup to result ratio is garbage compared to any method of 2D

[Anonymous No.6163178]

Anyone?

>>6163072

[Anonymous No.6163202]

>>6157223
when im in the mood i could draw few days non-stop of whatever topic
when im not in the mood i struggle to draw a box in perspective in a time slot shorter than 2 hours

[Anonymous No.6163247]

>>6147033
I want to make a mature 2D animated movie so bad. I wish I was asian and not a stupid westoid.

[Anonymous No.6163292]

>>6163178
producation animation goes through a lot of phases.
a lot of filters get applied on top to correct color, adjust lighting ect. there are a lot of tools to also adjust the lines because alias data can be used to alter it in many ways. a lot of those tools are closed off and proprietary or found on github.

in essence all you need to know is that they can be basically overdone. the only times you will find that are fairly raw in production is how bright the colors are, how sharp the lines are and how just unfinished it tends to be, hentai typically fits this category.

[Anonymous No.6163534]

>>6147086
based

[Anonymous No.6163617]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ndq1tsA-KXs
Uh oh!

[Anonymous No.6163662]

>>6163178
https://olm.co.jp/rd/technology/tools/?lang=en

[Wisdomsend No.6164136]

smoke animation

[Anonymous No.6164590]

>>6161651
Looks good!

[Anonymous No.6164952]

i spend my spare time animatin on my phone

[Anonymous No.6165114]

[Anonymous No.6165270]

>>6164952
nice

[Anonymous No.6165378]

>>6164952
Animation Sage: Can you do more more of these?
Yes sir
*Close up to breasts jiggling* Then you may have a place here at Disney.

[Anonymous No.6165556]

first time ever animating. you guys are good.

[Anonymous No.6165564]

>>6165556
its good. im pround

[Anonymous No.6165720]

>>6165556
Tried doing a smear, this is pretty fun
>>6165564
ty dad

[Anonymous No.6166446]

>>6164590
Thanks! Trying some smears.

[Anonymous No.6166449]

>>6166446
And a multi body type smear

[Anonymous No.6166472]

>>6157141
i would have sex with her

[Anonymous No.6168642]

Can someone redpill me on Matt Furie?

From his comics, I never expected him to be so skilled of an animator:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJMP7RBsoms

Is all his stuff original, or rotoscoped from some movie scenes and the likes?

[Anonymous No.6168657]

>>6168642
the power of meme magic

[Anonymous No.6168658]

>>6168642
It's not Matt, the animations are by Jonathan Djob Nkondo

They have a deal set up where Jonathan animates stuff, and Matt shills them on twitter as NFTs. Matt get's paid because of his namesake being attached to a cool animation, and Jonathan get's paid due to his work being shilled by the "creator" of Pepe. Think ghostwriting but with art instead of stories/songs.

Check out Jonathan's animations and compare
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Pm8qIVXaZU

>inb4 source
People talk, that's all I'll say.

[Anonymous No.6168733]

>>6168658
Thanks, anon, that explains a lot.

[Anonymous No.6168750]

how long would a 5 minute animation take for some of you skilled animators? solo

[Anonymous No.6168840]

>>6168750
This is extremely dependant on a whole fuckton of things so I don't think it can be answered that well
>How long will you be working on it each day?
>What's the frame rate?
>How detailed are the things you'll be animating?
>Is every frame a unique hand drawn frame?
>Will you be reusing assets?
>Will you make use of 2D, 3D or a combo of both?
etc.
For example, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-gbAi5UIg0
This makes use of a lot of images that were drawn in photoshop and then animated in AE, assets and animations are reused a lot. It took the creator I believe around 3-4 months to make working part time while recieving feedback from the musician
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWnqX41JHuM with documentary on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKsG3E7TLl4
This took the animator 3 years to make and can be pretty detailed, though I'd say he probably worked on it in his spare time semi-frequently too which might be explained in the doc which I haven't seen yet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Zj0JOHJR-s
Dunno how long this took but it's an example of someone using a mix of 2D/3D and seemingly pinned rigging deformation animation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voices_of_a_Distant_Star
This was a 25 minute OVA made entirely by Makoto Shinkai, the director for stuff like Your Name(Pretty sure this ova launched his director career) in 7 months time. It makes use of a combination of 3D and 2D

[Anonymous No.6169453]

>>6163617
How come you have so few views? Your videos are absolutely fantastic.

[Anonymous No.6169599]

>>6169453
I think there's just some static that stops me from effectively communicating what I want to with my work. Just need to work through it and make something that truly kicks off.

[Anonymous No.6170079]

Do you guys have any recommendations for what art program to use on iPad if I want to create animations with Audio? I've been using procreate for a while and just started using it to create animations, but it seems Procreate is fundamentally unable to add audio to animations and are just for drawing. Is there any other good alternative programs I could use? I used to use flash a lot as a kid but that seems entirely out of the question now that almost no places left on the internet supports flesh plugins.

I know for more simple animations I could probably add sounds in post, but I rather specifically want to animate to the beat of music which means I need the audio alongside the animation to make sure it is synced correctly.

[Anonymous No.6170740]

>>6165720
Great work!

[Wisdomsend No.6170859]

Fight animation

[Wisdomsend No.6170874]

Space Horse for space cowboy

[Anonymous No.6171219]

are there any good courses on rigging or is this just a trial and error sort of thing?

[Anonymous No.6171225]

>>6171219
Rigging in what, 2d, 3d? Still i'd say you should do some basic courses depending on the program, and once you know the basics enough you can experiment on your own in terms of rigging stuff. The core concepts are similar program to program, but implementation can differ quite a bit.

[Anonymous No.6171966]

>>6150121
Keeeeeeek

[Anonymous No.6172312]

is it worth learning watercolor to do my own backgrounds for animations? any of you have any experience in this

[Anonymous No.6172371]

i did a thing for the petty ddrama over on /i/
also bump

[Wisdomsend No.6172556]

>>6172371
I expected Pepe to appear ngl

[Anonymous No.6172738]

How good do I have to be to potentially work as a storyboarder for cartoons or something? I know I'd probably have to move to California.
I just don't know if it's something reasonable to strive for or just oversaturated and impossibly high competition.

[Anonymous No.6172786]

>>6172371
huh, what drama

[Anonymous No.6173120]

>>6172738
What do you mean by 'good'? Be more specific.

Also, it heavily depends on where you are in the world and what you want to storyboard on. Starting on kindergarten shows or in smaller studios is probably more achievable, then you can work your way up to where you want to be)

You won't get hired without at least a basic understanding of basic film shots and composition and a good sense of animation. You don't have to be a GREAT animator, but knowing timing, spacing, posing etc is going to be vital, because you are basically making the skeleton the animators are going to work off of. These days, storyboarders almost act like key animators on some shows. Knowing some of the basic storyboard visual language (grids to show perspective everywhere, camera moves, etc) will put you a step above other people trying to break into storyboarding, as these things are things students often forget.

I'm an animator so I'm not an expert, but as far as I'm aware storyboarding is quite competitive, so don't give up if you hit some roadblocks, its just a harder job to break into sometimes.

Here's some resources I had saved which hopefully help.

Thread of online classes for storyboarding
https://twitter.com/ebbigal/status/1259316678992826369

Some notes on revisions and boards from Amphibia. Ignore the presentation, the actual information is really useful
https://twitter.com/Hug_bees/status/1171958903459864578

[Anonymous No.6173407]

>>6170079
iMovie should be enough.

>>6172312
I use thin lines for the backgrounds.

[Anonymous No.6173698]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PTbqJOayAw

[Anonymous No.6173785]

>>6173407
>I use thin lines for the backgrounds.
any example of a background you use? I wont steal it just want to see what you mean

[Anonymous No.6173962]

>>6161651
looks really good, but the jump looks triangular i would have done an arch

[Anonymous No.6174715]

Swordsman

[Wisdomsend No.6174829]

Storyboard:
Si Dan vs Zhang Tie

[Anonymous No.6175137]

>>6174715
how did you get a gif?

[Anonymous No.6175141]

>>6172371

I am entertained

[Anonymous No.6175555]

>>6175137
Cloudconvert webm to gif

[Anonymous No.6175908]

are there any genuinely good animators on youtube? most of them seem to use the same exact formula when it comes to animating

[Anonymous No.6176176]

need more animation

[Anonymous No.6176948]

>>6175908
Define “good”
If you’re referring to taste nobody can help you, but I feel a lot of homies are skilled
https://youtu.be/8I66lrj6CO8
https://youtu.be/xontrrAGKgk
https://youtu.be/RJjL4620r0Q
https://youtu.be/lKu6RhSOPOQ
This next one is great imo
https://youtu.be/ogkEzH4vT6Y

[Anonymous No.6176955]

>>6147033
>>Play YT videos frame-by-frame
>http://rowvid.com/

Well that link is dead. Any other tools that can play frame by frame? Not necessarily youtube, maybe moving images

[Anonymous No.6176959]

>>6176955
you can play yt videos frame by frame by pressing , and .

[Anonymous No.6178072]

>>6169599
You are a legend in my book and I hope you find yourself in your work and those you care about :3

[Anonymous No.6178761]

anyone know how makoto shinkai does his post processing effects like lens flares, rainbows and sparkle effects? Interested in learning the process and would appreciate and videos that explain how he does it.

[Anonymous No.6178845]

>>6178761
I'm not sure how much is in the actual animation but I'm sure any After Effects tutorial can tell you how to do that

[Anonymous No.6179009]

>>6147033
how to achieve that look and aesthetic? Is it a filter?
https://youtu.be/UwdUpA30avo

[Anonymous No.6179020]

>>6179009
Cheap imitation of VHS and cel animation, since they're two separate things you need to think in two stages
1. Cel animation
>read into the limitations of cel animation and utilize, but don't abuse, them: some examples include
>>drop shadows on higher up layers (for instance, a cel 1 layer above the background will have less shadow than one 3 layers above
>>cels fading as more are layered on (and limiting your layers to account for this, probably no more than 6)
>>damage to the cels themselves such as warping and dust/scratches
>Research practical effects like double exposure and making to make their digital equivalents look more authentic
>Try to emulate film photography as much as you can - match the colour curves, film grain, etc
2. VHS
>just apply a VHS filter in after effects or something and tweak

[Anonymous No.6179045]

>>6178845
hmm alright. I'm just interested in how the pipeline works, I find it fascinating. I didn't wanna second guess how they do it and would rather see exactly or at least similarly, how they would go about it.

[Anonymous No.6179137]

>>6157145
>>6166472
that's literally me irl

[Anonymous No.6179240]

Is there any reason not to use blender's grease pencil for animating? I also own photoshop, but the timeline and hotkey support is clunky dogshit.

I already do 3d modeling in blender so it seems like the natural choice.

[Anonymous No.6179256]

>>6157141
>>6179137
swear to god artist pussy is the best pussy and I have no idea why

[Anonymous No.6179257]

>>6179240
been playing with it lately. the sculpting mode is really nice, but the eraser tool is dogshit and there's no "brush tool" makes it nearly impossible to use and i can see why it hasn't been widely adopted despite the sculpt mode

[Anonymous No.6179301]

Tremor

[Anonymous No.6179302]

>>6147033
Has Shingo Fujii posted any tutorials or tips anywhere?

[Anonymous No.6179352]

>>6160567
That's a name I haven't heard in a while.

[Anonymous No.6179516]

hes gonna go slay a dragon bros

[Anonymous No.6180006]

>>6179137
You like single dads who work out?

[Anonymous No.6180315]

>>6180006
sorry, I'm only into married men that I can lead astray

[Anonymous No.6180399]

>>6179516
Wish him luck then!

[Anonymous No.6180491]

Been waiting for a TVPaint 11 crack and at this point I may just buy it.

I found some partnered schools EDU codes that bring the price of Pro down to 315 Euros and with the value of the Euro tanking, it's even more of a deal. The codes USAAU and USCIA both work.

I assume though if I check out and send them my school's student ID, they'll reject me for using another school's code.

Anyone manage to do this?

Aaron Blaise's website also has a way to get the same 315 Euro discount, but you have to pay $200 for his yearly membership or pay for the monthly membership and wait 90 days. But I'm wondering if it's a generic or unique code. If it's generic, anyone have it?

[Wisdomsend No.6180604]

In the latter half I got it more refined

[Anonymous No.6180623]

>>6147033

[Anonymous No.6180700]

>>6180623
twinning is le bad, bro!

[Anonymous No.6180773]

>>6180623
Looks good! You really exaggerated the nipples’ arc motion!!

[Anonymous No.6180884]

So, what is A and B ? I can't rotate Apustaja based on the existent design.

[Anonymous No.6180887]

>>6147086
Me too.

[Anonymous No.6180888]

>>6180884
Fucking do it, coward!

[Anonymous No.6180903]

>>6180888
I don't draw.

[Anonymous No.6182175]

>>6180623
>Slowed down
>Added eye movement

[Anonymous No.6182295]

>>6182175
Lookin good anon

[Anonymous No.6182305]

>>6182295
Thanks!!

[Anonymous No.6182350]

>>6182175
10/10, would repost on my own blog for clout and take all the credit.

[Anonymous No.6182589]

>>6164952
came

[Wisdomsend No.6184059]

Summoner

[Anonymous No.6184285]

Boku wa sekkusu

[Anonymous No.6184524]

>>6180884
>>6180903
Cartoon designs like Apu aren't really 3d objects that can be rotated like that. A lot of model sheets have talk of "cheating" angles: things change around in a way that doesn't really make sense for a physical object, but flies anyway because it's a cartoon. Like what happens with Mickey's ears when he turns.
Some aren't meant to be seen from certain angles at all. I think that might be the case for Apu. So much of the genre of apucraft depends on the fact it's variations on that one drawing might make a profile angle look very out of place, even if it's got that tasteful deliberate incorrectness and is designed to the best of your ability according to whatever Apu aesthetic conventions and design philosophy you pin down.

[Wisdomsend No.6184547]

Fight animation

[Anonymous No.6184732]

first animation ever.
I cant draw but it is surprisingly fun

[Anonymous No.6184753]

>>6184524
His head reminds me of Shinnosuke & Misae and friends from Crayon Shin Chan - Ora to Hakase no Natsuyasumi 3D model.
https://youtu.be/ZDN2TMAKzOI
But I just need a rotated head of Apu and could do it myself as I'm a 3D modeler that copies from orthographic provided, not an artist. Just the Apu's head.

[Anonymous No.6184797]

>>6184285
I dont kniw why but this animation made me lost my sides

[Anonymous No.6184861]

>>6184732
just do the 51 exercise to start. it's good for warm up.

[Anonymous No.6184934]

The fact that you have to use a weird work around just to copy and paste between animation cels in csp is annoying as fuck.

[Anonymous No.6185002]

>>6184934
that's why i couldn't get into it
similar issue is how you can't assign the eraser tool to a keyboard shortcut in krita

[Anonymous No.6185310]

I haven't animated since I was a kid but I'm trying to learn for an animation jam that's ending in a few days.

[Anonymous No.6186300]

>>6185310
Really nice!

[Anonymous No.6187086]

anyone got a link to the animation thread discord?

[Anonymous No.6187802]

>>6187086
this one?
https://discord.gg/vU7KXCBy

[Anonymous No.6187847]

>>6180623
>>6182175
Blog?

[Anonymous No.6188148]

>>6186300
thanks
I got lucky and another week got added to the deadline so I have more time to fuck with it

[Anonymous No.6188337]

mmm best thread. you will all make it

[Anonymous No.6188528]

>>6188337
Easy Pete leaves the Big Empty through the Yarhnum door.

[Anonymous No.6188625]

>>6188148
his left (our right) foot shrinks a lot as the leg swings out, try to map the arc of the big toe or something to keep your length consistent

[Anonymous No.6188663]

>>6188625
I'll give that a try. The feet are travesties but that's to be expected since I still don't know how to draw them even in a still image.

[Anonymous No.6188737]

>>6148177
Tinklebell's stuff was the peak of hybrid animation and that was like 10 years ago by now.
As everyone's said, unless it's for porn (or motion graphic heavy stuff I guess), it looks shit.

[Anonymous No.6188782]

>>6188737
I miss tinklebell. He's the only person I've seen do it very well to memory and I want to see him make something that won't make me embarrassed when the bank calls to confirm I wanted to pay for "rondo duo through dlsite"

[Anonymous No.6188799]

>>6187802
yea thanks man

[Anonymous No.6188832]

>>6188528
Look at him go.

[Anonymous No.6188926]

>>6147033
where are the 3d animators?

[Anonymous No.6189087]

>>6188926
rotting in the blender dungeon. plus /3/ exists

[Anonymous No.6189130]

>>6188926
Employed.

[Anonymous No.6189165]

>>6188926
they don't speak english

[Anonymous No.6189246]

>>6157141
Callipeg, though there's bit of a learning curve, te file sizaes are huge and its a one-time purchase of $50 if you don't want the subscription.

[Anonymous No.6189426]

>>6188926
Look for those degenerates at /aco/

[Anonymous No.6189564]

>>6187847
https://twitter.com/the_geminiex

[Anonymous No.6189580]

>>6182175

[Anonymous No.6189630]

[Anonymous No.6189637]

>>6189580
>>6189630
Absolute legendary posts right here

[Anonymous No.6189659]

how do you do master studies of animation? sorry if it sounds stupid but i have no clue how to go about it.

[Anonymous No.6189671]

Dorime

[Wisdomsend No.6190147]

Flight animation

[Anonymous No.6190166]

>>6153693
Anyone knows the DOA Kasumi game he is talking about?

[Anonymous No.6190171]

>>6189659
First look for the storytelling poses/extremes. They are usually timed where you see a shift in the movement direction or the end/beginning of an action.

Then you look for the key frames, they are like guideposts and help you work out the spacing.

As for breakdowns and inbetweens, try to do a timing chart and observe whether you are dealing with even changes, then your inbetweens will be spaced in the halfway points or there is acceleration or deceleration.

You will usually find that most movement Starr’s slow, accelerates then winds down again as it settles down.

Richard Williams explains it much more clearly in his book with examples tho

[Anonymous No.6190212]

>>6147033
Anyone has the textless version, Also post more Capcom animations?
>>6189580
Is that Fio Germi?

[Anonymous No.6190682]

[Anonymous No.6190716]

>>6190682
Great potential, still need more shitposting.

[Anonymous No.6191000]

>>6190147
kino

[Anonymous No.6191021]

>>6190212
Yeah, I'm doing a short Metal Slug animation.

[Anonymous No.6191059]

>>6190682
Sorry to tell you this anon, but stop motion is already a genre

[Anonymous No.6191072]

You can smell it

[Anonymous No.6191236]

How long does it take to reach this level?

https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm17565774

[Anonymous No.6191274]

is using CSP fine for animating?

[Anonymous No.6191310]

Fuck, when will AI inbetween generators be made? That shit actually drains your soul. Keyframes are the only thing that is fun in the animation process.

[Anonymous No.6191602]

Anyone know any video courses that go through common movement and behavior patterns?

Stuff like eyes leading head turning, heads leading body turning, common emoting patterns and body language, athletic and fighting moves etc.

[Anonymous No.6191604]

I miss Flash
I used to do tons of animations there, you could interpolate lines and shit
It's was very simple
I downloaded Toon Boom Harmony and I almost faited
It's so complicated, I just want to draw, create key frame, draw and that's it

[Anonymous No.6191611]

>>6191604
Isn't there a way to imitate flash or something?

Sorry op. I hate dat feel. I miss older programs and shit. Everything new sucks.

[Anonymous No.6191633]

>>6148177
Honest to god
How the fuck fo they do this

[Anonymous No.6191684]

>>6147086
Nobody want to see your shitty stick man animation anyway

[Anonymous No.6191752]

is it really normal to have a zillion animation folders for every little thing that moves? cause hole shitballs I have a lot. I was wondering why there were so many different color lines in animation cel sketches or more experience animators

[Anonymous No.6191864]

>>6191752
The colored lines are just to dictate where they'll put shading. You (ideally) want to draw keyframes as a whole. Layer for ink, layer for flats, layer for shading, then whatever other layer you might need for adjusting all that

[Anonymous No.6192136]

>>6191274
Yeah, that's what I use for my animations. One thing that sucks is that there's no audio scrubbing.

[Anonymous No.6192145]

>>6188737
what program does he uses?
i'm trying after effects but i CANNOT EVEN COME CLOSE.
i'm making something non-porn btw.

[Anonymous No.6192186]

>>6191633
>>6192145
after effects
draw in photoshop, cleanup the drawing into separate component layers, import the psd into after effects and the layering is preserved, then animate with the puppet warp tools

[Anonymous No.6192294]

POV

[Anonymous No.6192538]

>>6192186
thanks anon!
I own you one.

[Anonymous No.6192748]

nimationa

[Anonymous No.6192864]

imatioan

[Anonymous No.6192915]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilrBszenSD8
I started this in February, ended up completely re-compositing and re-editing it and finally decided to just release it.
It's a long one.

[Anonymous No.6192958]

>>6192864
>kek
anon where the fk is he going my sides, this dude is me when I used to hit 4 stars in san andreas

[Anonymous No.6193235]

>>6192915
This is very well done.
I could see a visual novel or some kind of indie game done in this style doing well. Probably not what you care about but that was the first thing that came to mind.

[Anonymous No.6193281]

>>6179137
> literally me

>>6157145
>>6166472
lmfao

[Anonymous No.6193476]

>>6193235
It originally was a game, but I felt the narrative was more conducive to animation rather than anything interactable, it was too overt, nothing was vague enough to make it fun.

[Anonymous No.6193498]

>>6193476
do you manually ,make the varying frames or is this some sorta glitch filter?

[Anonymous No.6193665]

>>6193498
Manually.
I duplicate the layers and laso tool them randomly, then shift the selected areas by a pixel or two in each layer.
Gives it the weird, uncanny jiggle to them.

[Anonymous No.6193900]

I want to start doing animations like this (minus the obvious giantess shit), how do I start off? Is clip studio paint fine or should I use something else?

[Anonymous No.6194206]

Based off a tokidoki I tried to make a walk cycle with a person but it was so hard and this is still pretty clunky

[Anonymous No.6194220]

Huh

[Anonymous No.6194383]

>>6194220
Yes

[Anonymous No.6194394]

I'm trying to understand a game mechanism process. Given a scene where the MC is jerking the protagonist love interest. Do you animate the whole animation first and later they're incorporated in the game with codes or vice versa?

[Anonymous No.6194510]

>City is having an animation competition
>Top 10 recipients get to have lunch with our city's best animation studio (which is the best in the country)
>Getting your foot in the door, so to speak, is insanely difficult here so this is worth more than the cash prizes
>insert dinner with JayZ joke here
>Misread the rules thinking the shortest length for my age group is 15 minutes when actually it says maximum
>Have a decent 20 minute long script that I'm quite attached to
>Wrote it in a way that uses assets as efficiently as possible to make animating easier
>It's due in September
>If I don't make it, next years competition will automatically disqualify me since I'm outside the required age range
>The animations I have on deck are either multi part stories that won't make sense, borderline porn or made when my skills were dogshit
Sorry, I'm just getting the heebie jeebies. It's pretty much my one and only chance to get shit done. A bit weebshit I know but it's like hearing about successful mangakas who got their biggest step up into serialization through winning competitions.

[Anonymous No.6194557]

>>6193900
>clip studio paint fine
Yes

[Anonymous No.6194614]

>>6193665

what shape do you make with lasso tool? would it work with simpler forms like squares and circles?

[Anonymous No.6194768]

>tfw ywn animate this good
how do i cope bros?

[Anonymous No.6194977]

https://twitter.com/MobGenga100/status/1554859639598002176

how do you even begin to start approaching this level? how do you even make sense of it while working? where do you begin????

[Anonymous No.6194984]

>>6194768
I could do better if I try

[Anonymous No.6195485]

>>6194984
No you couldn't.

[Anonymous No.6195492]

>>6194977
this does not look good.
lots of shit happening does not a good sequence make.
really undynamic

[Anonymous No.6195520]

>>6195485
he couldn't but i could

[Anonymous No.6195539]

>>6195520
No you couldn't.

[Anonymous No.6195596]

>>6194768
This stuff is kino, how do you learn perspective and consistency like that.

[Anonymous No.6195687]

>>6195596
practice

[Anonymous No.6195742]

What's the secret to animating like an anime, ignore the "12 fundamentals" or just reduce their prevalence?

[Anonymous No.6195892]

focus on appealing detail, less focus on how animated something is

[Anonymous No.6195896]

>>6195892
was meant to respond to >>6195742

[Anonymous No.6195898]

>>6194394
do you want interactivity or not?
the less interactivity, the more you can just make it an FMV

[Anonymous No.6195903]

>>6195892
Bullshit advice, anime style animation does not have to equal poor animation

[Anonymous No.6195916]

>>6195903
never said it had poor animation, just summarizing the main difference I've seen between anime-animation and cartoon-animation

I'm hardly an expert on either cartoons or anime, but I've noticed that anime focuses on making the animation match the detail while cartoons tend to bend the detail to the animation, if that makes sense

I've seen cartoons move stiff as a board, anime move smoother than butter. I've seen anime with detail on the level of south park and cartoons that look like masterpieces in motion

the ultimate advice I can offer is to just animate what you want, decide on how much time you wanna put in vs how much detail you'll put in, and get it done, but I figure that advise is useless to the kind of person who spends their time on 4chan

[Anonymous No.6195920]

I'll ask here, are there any anime that still use trad animation?
not just hand-drawn, but cel animation & painted backgrounds?

I'm just getting tired of the look of digital coloring & inking all day

[Anonymous No.6195930]

>>6195920
One scene in evanglion 3.0+1.0 was. It isn't impossible for more though like /a/ will tell you, the biggest saving/expense that digital has is the lack of cel painters and replacing them with the fill bucket.
Realistically the act of painting could be automated with modern printer tech just like xerox outlines were in the 60's. All it would take is a hotshot director to reintroduce it just like film and all the directors that subsidise that.

[Anonymous No.6195933]

>>6195916
>I figure that advise is useless to the kind of person who spends their time on 4chan
you're here, so fuck off then

[Anonymous No.6195943]

>>6195933
I know, it's almost like I realize I'm part of the problem

[Anonymous No.6195949]

>>6195892
>focus on appealing detail, less focus on how animated something is
So the exact opposite of appealing animation. Only if you're a weeb that worships anime should you make such a statement.

[Anonymous No.6195953]

>>6195949
love this one, would not say the animation is great
works fantastically for comedy, though

dude wanted to know more about making anime than making a cartoon

[Anonymous No.6195963]

>>6195916
>>6195949
It's literally just exaggerated animation vs realistic animation. Only applying squish/stretch to things that would squish/stretch irl and consistency in the drawings.

[Anonymous No.6195968]

>>6195963
thanks for explaining it. i had a hard time finding the words

[Anonymous No.6195992]

>>6195492
This, people often mistake a lot of flashing lights, explosions and debris effects for good animation. I feel like a lot of modern fights lack choreography, timing and weight and attempt to make up for it with overuse of filters and after effects.

This fight right here is an prime example. Not to say the animation it's is bad per say, but the over-polishing and compositing feels like it makes up for the more cookie cutter action.
https://twitter.com/Aspiringnothin9/status/1554204020130123779

[Anonymous No.6196012]

>>6195992
Digital was a mistake for anime, the animators rely on digital effects and shaky cam to hide poor animation in fight scenes, instead of top quality animation and choreography to make it "impressive looking."
With limited tools they were forced to make genuinely impressive animation that would even look good as just gesture drawings https://youtu.be/eS1q-vjXDIY?t=98

[Anonymous No.6196080]

>>6195968
To elaborate I don't think that's all there is to it, dynamic framerates is another big thing in good Japanese animation you don't see much in the west, with a mixture of 1s/2s/3s in a scene and the foreground/middleground/background and scene elements all being at different framerates simultaneously, for example with the patlabor webm you have the gunshots on 1s the police cars on a mixture of 1s/2s the road on 3s and the explosions/smoke 1s/2s/3s all at the same time. It gives it a very smooth and dynamic look with multiple different things going at multiple different perceived speeds that you don't see much in western animation. The animators are really good at manipulating the illusion of movement.

Also anime focuses a lot more on cinematography and dynamic shots because it's heavily inspired by classic cinema, for example in the flipnote touhou gifs itt that have lots of perspective changes with no warping of the scene objects or characters. Unlike western animation that has its inspiration from stage shows and old slapstick comedy like Charlie Chaplin, so it feels a lot more flat and stageplay like and utilises a lot of distortion in its animation since it played into the comedy factor of old cartoons, but even serious, more "cinematic" western animation has more of the standard exaggerated animation than anime does.

While more detail/less animation is a general trend in anime it isn't *the* thing that makes anime look like anime, you can totally have less detail/more animation and look like anime if you understand *how* they animate differently to the west, particularly these above points (dynamic framerates generally less xaggerated animation, general consistency and cinematography/dynamic shots) so saying "more detail less animation" can result in your animation looking like those faux western 'anime' that everyone dislikes.

[Anonymous No.6196208]

>>6195492
>>6195992

I guess there's a lot of flashing lights and effects in that example, but here's a sample of a fight scene from the same show that I think does choreography, timing and weight quite well, with little use of post processing

https://youtu.be/Ar7fHWRMNoE?t=125

The problem is, I can KIND of wrap my head around how you would start building up to great animated choreography like the example above, but I don't know how to even BEGIN thinking about the effects animation done here >>6194977

[Anonymous No.6196244]

>>6196208
it's an ok fight with ok choreography but there's a few unnecessary cuts, it's too busy, at a lot of points and the perspective is off on a lot of those drawings, they're poorly drawn in general. The scene composition is also pretty poor and confusing at points.
Overall a 6/10, compare it with the a-ko scene where the perspective and drawing is spot on, the weight is perfect, only necessary cuts that easily flow in together, the composition is great and is visually tidy even with a few dutch angles in there.
It's 10/10 eyegasm stuff though to be fair.

[Anonymous No.6196439]

>>6196244
I respect the analysis, I definitely like some of the fast cuts and angles because I think it adds to the disorientation the character is feeling, but I can see why that wouldn't be a preference for some people.

That a-ko scene is really good too... I do think some anime uses the constant moving camera to obscure perspective mistakes, animating a fight scene without constant jumps and camera moves is harder to make look good like that. The only letdown in the a-ko scene is how obvious the held frames are at some points

Cowboy bebop will always be king for me (but everybody says that) https://youtu.be/Yf48R459HSk?t=62

[Anonymous No.6196504]

>>6196439
>I think it adds to the disorientation the character is feeling
I considered that yes, but 2:18 is beyond disorientation, the villain is running fat towards the hero, then it cuts to a close up of the hero using telekinesis then back to the previous shot where the villain is in the exact same spot he was the last time you seen his, getting smashed with stuff, as if he completely froze in time during the previous cut and then the floor files up and it isn't obvious who did it until you see the hero in the villain's grasp again. I think that sequence takes a lot of wind out of the fight.

[Bungus_Boy No.6196638]

>>6194768
that's unbelievably good

[Bungus_Boy No.6196642]

I'm new to animation, anyone got any tips for this one I made? Thanks

[Anonymous No.6196644]

>>6196642
not an animation tip but her asshole is way WAAY too close to her vagina

[Bungus_Boy No.6196649]

>>6196644
lol true that

[Anonymous No.6197628]

Working on another cartoon.
Is it wrong for me to want each scene to be it's own distinct composition? Is that a waste of time?

[Anonymous No.6197742]

>>6196642
Keep the coom flowing anons

[Wisdomsend No.6197898]

Dempsey roll

[Anonymous No.6199366]

>>6192864
Lmfao this is really good

[Wisdomsend No.6199882]

Climb