/msg/ - Master studies general

[Anonymous No.6134773]

This thread is dedicated to master studies, where you copy artwork you admire as a form of study. They are the quickest way to improve and learn about any fundamental you are having problems with. If you need to work on your hands, copy hands from other artists, and if you're having trouble with rendering, make careful studies of paintings with lighting you admire. Studies can be quick or long. You can even copy anatomy books like Bridgman, Morpho, and Hogarth. The type of studies you want to do depend on your personal goals and the types of problems you are grappling with.

Artists of all levels are welcome. Critiques and redlines are encouraged.

Recommended watching:
https://youtu.be/YVAtRojlCS8
https://youtu.be/cF2UtfFT7y8
https://youtu.be/ni30Hp72aeY
https://youtu.be/ko7H8FGwks8
https://youtu.be/7ukExmlSRWU
https://youtu.be/Z2CZKX089w0
https://youtu.be/ZqJ2h4Jw5nU

Images:
https://setteidreams.net/settei/
https://www.sakugabooru.com/post
https://mangakatana.com/
https://animationscreencaps.com/
https://artsandculture.google.com/explore
artbook thread: >>6130895

[Anonymous No.6134795]

kjg study. a bit sloppy

[Anonymous No.6134933]

Switched to cheap ballpoints

[Anonymous No.6134934]

>>6134933
these honestly look way way better please keep using them

[Anonymous No.6136200]

[Anonymous No.6136812]

>>6134773
>master studies
>youtube videos about comic book artists

[Anonymous No.6136822]

>>6136812
>nooo only old white men who have been dead for 300 years can be masters!!!!

[Anonymous No.6136838]

>>6136822
Majority of the best modern artists classified as masters are still old white guys though even going back let's say 1 century.

[Anonymous No.6136886]

skull-kun here, been running a low fever for a few days and i just can't sit down and draw on my tablet comfortably, oh well i guess its good that im frustrated because i cant draw :(
btw to the kind anon who recommended me guide with the marvel book as a first rec, i couldn't really get into it sorry
i'm gonna try to sit down and watch the 3h Krenz subbed video tomorrow in hopes that it clicks with me because i'm running out of beginner options
good night anons

[Anonymous No.6136887]

>>6134934
Thanks, will do.

[Anonymous No.6136907]

>>6136822
>noooo contemporary media is equivalent to fine arts painters of the past
Star Wars is gay and superheroes are for faggots that fuck each other’s ass holes

[Anonymous No.6136932]

>>6136886
When I got into the game of "go" (a board game from ancient China) the best book that was recommended to me was Toshiro Kageyama's "Lessons in the fundamentals of Go", written in the 20th century by a 7dan professional Go player.

In the preface, he says to you that if you are a new player who has not even played a single game of go, the best thing to do was to put down the book at once and to go play a hundred games of go in the nearest go salon, thinking only of protecting your own stones or killing your opponent's stones. In other words, newbies who did not have enough experience literally could not comprehend his instructions and it would be a waste of time to read that book, despite his book being very good.

It's like that old Japanese saying: the sharpest sword has been tempered in a hundred battles. I don't know how much that Krenz video will help you, to be honest. You might find a few good tips but don't expect much, because you might just be too inexperienced to get anything out of it. There's a danger to be too swamped in theory, so I think one option for you is to get a huge collection of drawings or images you like and to make freehand copies them for a couple months. Only then, go back to the Loomis books or the Vilppu books or the Krenz lectures, the books everyone on /ic/ recommends. At the end of the day, the only thing that matters is practice

anyways, just food for thought

[Anonymous No.6138435]

drew along with Atsushi Nishigori for a bit

[Anonymous No.6138443]

>>6134933
I’ve always been a fan of ballpoint with bridgeman, anything else looks weird

[Anonymous No.6138465]

>>6138443
Those look fantastic, what ballpoint are you using?

[Anonymous No.6138516]

>>6138443
idk how you did it, but you made your bridgman studies look very 'cute'

[Anonymous No.6138524]

>>6136200
>>6138435
Go back to /asg/

[Anonymous No.6138527]

Do I really need to master drawing before I start painting? The French Academy said so...

[Anonymous No.6138531]

>>6138465
Thank you! I’m using a generic black bic

>>6138516
Haha thanks. Maybe it’s how squishy I made the forms?

[Anonymous No.6138669]

>>6138443
Soft graphite is alright too (chunky ones allows broad marks)

[Anonymous No.6138670]

>>6138527

Yes because if you can't draw well your paintings will be ass.

[Anonymous No.6138964]

>>6138527
yes you will run into all sorts of problems regarding proportions, structure, etc. This will be a major problem if it's in traditional. If it's in digital you can get away with it with tools but it's still a hassle if you can't get a solid sketch down.

[Anonymous No.6139125]

>>6138670
>>6138964
How many years do I have to spend drawing before I can paint?

[Anonymous No.6139204]

>>6139125
The ateliers of today (Florence Academy of Arts, etc) do 1 year of solid drawing, 1 year of drawing + painting, 1 year of just painting. You don't have to put off painting that long, you could start right away if you really wanted to, but do put at least as much time into drawing than you do into painting.

[Anonymous No.6139219]

>>6139125
You have to understand why people advise to learn to draw before painting: dry medias are generally easier to control, cost little, force to focus on values (monochromes).

They are thus advised because they are an efficient way to develop fundamentals of observation-based subjects (still life, copies) : proportions, values, composition.

[Anonymous No.6139257]

>>6139219
Basically this, making mistakes with a pencil is orders of magnitudes cheaper (and faster - no drying time!) than with oils, and the fundamentals you learn are the same.

[Anonymous No.6140272]

only had time for a quick sketch today.

[Anonymous No.6140276]

>>6140272
Go away, trannime fag

[Anonymous No.6140281]

>>6140276
adapt to the times, boomer. Anime sells

[Anonymous No.6140286]

>/asg/ exists yet somehow that keeps happening
hmm

[Anonymous No.6140288]

>>6140286
this is a place for anybody to learn any style, not just anime. Plus, not enough people know about master copies as the main way artists should be studying, versus endless gesture drawing, anatomy studies, still life renderings, etc.

[Anonymous No.6140305]

getting rusty

[Anonymous No.6140323]

アガットちゃん

[Anonymous No.6140346]

[Anonymous No.6140347]

>>6140346
reference

[Anonymous No.6140352]

>>6140346
>>6140347
aaa you're so fucking good mate

[Anonymous No.6140364]

>>6140305
>>6140323
>>6140352
Fuck off to /asg/ you cancerous cunts

[Anonymous No.6140445]

Internet problems so didn't get to post it last night but still doing that daily grind

[Anonymous No.6140447]

>>6140445
And today's

[Anonymous No.6140673]

I'm constantly bitching about not being able to paint, so I decided to put an end to it and tried a master's study from a sculpture.
Managed to make this, learned a lot and then never painted again lmao

[Anonymous No.6140747]

>>6140673
Do it again, with trad media, and without sight-size

[Anonymous No.6140912]

>>6140673
>digital
>painting
If you didn't use paint it isn't a painting, fuck off digicuck

[Anonymous No.6140940]

>>6140747
>>6140912
Lol you tradcucks will work with what again? In europe they teach artists to earn government gibs because no one gives a fuck to traditional art

[Anonymous No.6140980]

>>6140747
>without sight size
Why?

[Anonymous No.6141065]

>>6140445
>>6140447
glad you're still grinding. Top left of the second pic is great

[Anonymous No.6141067]

>>6140673
This looks really good anon. Probably much better than what the tradcucks can do

[Anonymous No.6141121]

>>6140980
Makes your life too easy!

[Anonymous No.6141265]

>>6140940
>be me
>European
>living off of oil painting

[Anonymous No.6141299]

>>6141265
Living off of gibsmedats

[Anonymous No.6141325]

>>6141265
And you present them to the government in exchange for the gibs.

[Anonymous No.6141359]

[Anonymous No.6141439]

>>6141299
>>6141325
Cope harder, I avoid interacting with the government like the plague

[Anonymous No.6141463]

>>6140352
Thanks, you studies are pretty good as well.

[Anonymous No.6141600]

gesture

>>6141463
thanks, but i know i have a long long way to go

>>6141359
drawing symmetrically is pretty hard, isn't it

[Anonymous No.6141659]

Copy of a Boucher

[Anonymous No.6141660]

>>6141659
Orig

[Anonymous No.6141740]

this one is a bit lousy

>>6141659
Naisu. Boucher is tough

[Anonymous No.6141745]

>all these “master copies”
>but he doesn’t even apply it to his own works
shiggy diggy

[Anonymous No.6141755]

>>6140673
okaysh values and edges, gj

did quick KJG "study"

[Anonymous No.6141757]

>>6141745
the absorption of information is more than a one-and-done deal, you would know this if you drew.

[Anonymous No.6141761]

>>6134773
Some bridgeman a day keeps the shitty anatomy away

[Anonymous No.6141766]

>>6141757
never implied you should only do one copy

[Anonymous No.6141896]

>>6141600
>>6141740
Embarrassing

[Anonymous No.6141927]

>>6141896
are you just angry i'm drawing anime? I know I'm not that good, but that's why im studying. figured i should post my shitty attempts anyways to keep the thread alive

[Anonymous No.6141986]

>>6141927
You should post it in the right thread you retard

[Anonymous No.6142003]

>>6141986
why is this the wrong thread? You know, I made this thread... baka yatsu

[Anonymous No.6142025]

>>6142003
not that retard but i think this and academic thread should merge into on general since there's alot of overlap with two generals and its goals align

[Anonymous No.6142044]

>>6142025
We can try, but I don't want to enforce certain curriculums on people, including bargue, julien, still lives, etc. I just wanted a thread purely about master copies, which I think is best way to improve, because I drew for 6-7 years straight without even knowing how versatile and efficient of an exercise it was. It works for anybody's goals, no matter what kind of art you want to do.

[Anonymous No.6143065]

>>6142044
not that anon but doesn't /asg/ literally mention copying anime in its OP copypasta? I don't really use the thread but wouldn't anime copies be more suited for that thread?

[Anonymous No.6143154]

>>6143065
Why can't there be overlap with other general? if everyone was forced into asg it will be the fastest thread on this board and ic would lose 2/3rds of its generals because weebs are largest group of artist on this board.

[Anonymous No.6143726]

[Anonymous No.6143917]

Beg here. I did a study of an drawing an anon posted in the prior thread. I really struggled with the detail of the face, when the head is small on a full figure drawing I can't seem to get the details down right like I would in a drawing of just a head (hence why the head is too big, I redrew it at least four times). Does anyone have any advice for drawing facial details on smaller heads? Other master drawings to study that can let me practise full figures with small heads would be appreciated too.

[Anonymous No.6144208]

>>6143917
Unironically, use a bigger sheet of paper. FWIW, you also have a few proportion issues (those hands are/arms are gigantic compared to her torso.

[Anonymous No.6144788]

we got cucked by the academic thread, bros... how can we fight back?

[Anonymous No.6144794]

>>6144788
No we didn't. The academic thread is very strict, unironically not even bridgman would be considered "acandemy". This place is fine.

[Anonymous No.6144845]

>>6143917
for learning to draw figures I think copying Bridgman, or Morpho is your best bet. Some of those academic drawings are so refined and sophisticated it's hard for a beginner to see the anatomy and underlying structure in their drawings. Once you got the basic head construction down, you also have to study each feature individually, and only for that do I think going to your favorite artists is the right step. (all this is just my opinion of course.) Don't worry about the dilemma of drawing big heads or small heads just yet, draw big and the small heads will be really easy

[Anonymous No.6144857]

>>6143726
good work

[Anonymous No.6144967]

>>6144845
I actually just finished copying all of Bridgman the other day. I just started Loomis' Heads and Hands today, I guess I'll try Morpho as well.

[Anonymous No.6144998]

>>6144967
very nice! you're on the right track, it just takes persistence

[Anonymous No.6145084]

had a good day today

[Anonymous No.6145194]

[Anonymous No.6145257]

[Anonymous No.6145466]

>>6144857
Thank you

[Anonymous No.6145593]

quick sketch of ji-san

[Anonymous No.6145597]

>>6145466
careful to not lose the gesture, bridgman-kun. I did my sketch from my bridgman book and see how the thrusts are more extreme?

[Anonymous No.6145598]

>>6145466
Here, I just realized my sketch also was not accurate enough to bridgman's. I corrected my own redline

[Anonymous No.6145651]

>>6145597
>>6145598
Yeah, I didn't want to make excuses when I posted but now that I've been called out, someone was talking to me the whole time I was doing that one and it fucked me up. I was very annoyed lol

[Anonymous No.6145674]

>>6145651
ah, okay, well nothing lost by drawing it again :D

[Anonymous No.6145899]

>>6144967
>>6144845
Is Loomis the recommended book for heads/portraits? I started Loomis a while ago and thought it was kind of a meme.

[Anonymous No.6145938]

im gonna start a fechin study today anybody have any experience doing one?

[Anonymous No.6145944]

>>6136932

Good advice, this anon understands

[Anonymous No.6145974]

>>6145938
Nope, but I just saw a video of Proko and another guy, Wesberg or something like that, and this other guy said he loved Fechin, said he was the best draftsman of all time. Btw, I prefer Repin to any other russian, but still not a bad choice. That's my whole contribution

[Anonymous No.6146618]

>>6145899
Loomis is good, but head drawing is such a difficult subject that when people work their way through Loomis, and they find that they still can't draw heads, they hate on him, when it's really the subject's difficulty. What I recommend you do is to get Bridgman, Morpho, Hogarth (yes, even him), and Loomis, and copy through their head sections over and over again, and to regularly make studies from photo reference or master drawings/paintings, over the next year or so. That was how I learned, along with drawing lots of heads when I made my own comics/animations

[Anonymous No.6146814]

>>6145674
Takes a couple tries sometimes

[Anonymous No.6146823]

>>6146814
much better. your second try on the lady is better too, though her arm is a bit tiny

[Anonymous No.6147708]

finished levitan copy

[Anonymous No.6147782]

>>6147708
I love it! Can you post the original? I particularly like the yellow/orange light you achieved on the trees in the middle. Your sky is also gorgeous.

[Anonymous No.6147799]

>>6147782
thank you! still very far off

[Anonymous No.6147805]

>>6147799
I see. Is your picture just darker, or is the painting itself darker as well? If it's the paintings, I'd say you're somehow muddying up your colors.

[Anonymous No.6147819]

>>6147708
Good work, you got the composition and the drawing working. Good choice of study material, too.
However, your colors are off - your values seem to be very compressed towards the lower end of the range in comparison. Sometimes you overstate the darks - for example in the shaded part of the trees near the shore. Your light hues appear shifted more towards reds than in the Levitan - compare his clouds and sky near horizon with yours. The subtlety in the gradation in the faraway treeline is also mostly gone. You also seem to skimp out on paint, particularly near the shoreline - this causes the canvas texture to show through.

[Anonymous No.6147855]

>>6147805
it's true, i blame the student grade paints.

[Anonymous No.6147919]

>>6147855
I think you're good enough to switch to artist grade paints, if you can afford it. They're not that much more expensive, given that you need less to achieve similar results due to their higher tinting power.

[Anonymous No.6147930]

>>6147708
Very good,

>>6147819
I wonder how much of it is because of the camera anon

>>6147919
Definitely; you can try the cheapest pigments of Old Holland for instance;low-chroma ones will be already very permanent, but they bright red/yellow should be good enough, especially for practice

[Anonymous No.6148275]

When copying Bridgeman, am I supposed to follow this method of blocking in, getting rough directions etc, or do I copy Bridgeman's finished figure line by line?

[Anonymous No.6148351]

>>6148275
Read the instruction; close the book; try to reproduce the general steps; open the book; compare; repeat until all the steps are ingrained in your brain

Bear in mind that this is just one approach to start a drawing, among many others, all valid.

[Anonymous No.6148497]

>>6148275
i personally start with gesture, into simple forms, into detail, etc. That doesn't mean to not be accurate either, I think accuracy is paramount in master studies. The point in doing the drawing in multiple layers is to do the drawing over again at multiple levels of abstraction

[Anonymous No.6148578]

>>6148275
I usually try to do something approximating hampton's method

[Anonymous No.6148751]

>>6148578
uwaaah you actually drew it upside down

[Anonymous No.6148987]

came out a lot better than I thought it would

[Anonymous No.6150662]

>>6148751
Hai

[Anonymous No.6150667]

steve huston digital study

[Anonymous No.6150786]

How often do you guys make copies? Every day? I've done nothing but draw copies these last few weeks and I'm started to get discouraged.

[Anonymous No.6150832]

>>6150662
very symmetrical

>>6150667
haha, holy crap

>>6150786
Dave Rapoza said to just study for 1-2 hours a day and then work on your art after that, and I think that's a good balance. Often I'll have no idea what to study if I never make my own art, and I'll just copy aimlessly, but when I start drawing my comics and I start to struggle wtih clothing, I'll know to study clothes for 1-2 hours the next day. It's a very focused and streamlined way to improve.

As a beginner though, it's worth sinking many hours into honing your figure skills, though, even if you think you're good at it.

[Anonymous No.6152451]

wtf is this thread why are you guys so negative

[Anonymous No.6152462]

>>6150786
my friend art is a lifelong journey of improvement. You'll have breakthroughs but it takes a lot of hard work. It'll take more than a couple of weeks. But you got this!! it's all about perseverance.

[Anonymous No.6152559]

>>6150667
awesome job

[Anonymous No.6152564]

first time studying Murata, but I think this is the way to go. Finally feels like I'm drawing real human figures again

[Anonymous No.6152692]

[Anonymous No.6152815]

>>6152559
thanks!!

[Anonymous No.6152872]

Does anyone know what kind of medium and technique was used back in the day for this type of illustration? I'm not sure it's gouache.

[Anonymous No.6152877]

>>6152872

>Pic related

[Anonymous No.6152896]

>>6152877
I'd bet on gouache, with an airbrush?

[Anonymous No.6153730]

> pettry

[Anonymous No.6153732]

>>6153730

[Anonymous No.6153735]

>>6134933
Based bridgman enjoyer

[Anonymous No.6153939]

>>6153735
Thank you

[Anonymous No.6154314]

>>6153732

Ankn do you seriously consider those masterpieces?

[Anonymous No.6154324]

>>6153939
i can really feel the meat of those deltoids. Your drawings are getting more solid

[Anonymous No.6156016]

>>6154324
Thank you!!

[Anonymous No.6156017]

why is copying so hard bros

[Anonymous No.6156033]

>>6156017
it took the artist who created it years to get that good
you can spend a few hours trying to copy them

[Anonymous No.6156035]

>>6156017
Measure.

[Anonymous No.6156161]

ok I did a first layer on my fechin copy. Still unsure about how this texture is achieved. I guess there is just a ton of dry brushing after the first layer dried? or is it the painting surface? what do you reckon?

>>6145974
repin is my favorite as well

[Anonymous No.6156162]

>>6156161

[Anonymous No.6156170]

>>6156033
That's actually a really good point and a great way to think of it

[Anonymous No.6156331]

>>6156017
Print it dude. Printer shops can be cheap. Also, they avoid gettin stuck with sight-size

[Anonymous No.6156431]

>>6156017
dude you should use straight lines to block in first not just try to copy the curves immediately thats why there are 2 images for every bargue the first one shows you the steps and how someone interpreted the curves to make it easier for you to understand if you get stuck

[Anonymous No.6156435]

>>6156161
actually looks pretty good anon, i heard somewhere i dont remember where that he might have left the paint to dry a little on his pallete and then painted with that

[Anonymous No.6156476]

>>6156331
how exactly do I avoid getting stuck with sight-size?

[Anonymous No.6156732]

>>6156476
By not exclusively using sight-size, simple as that! Or by trying to work from life once in a life, and realizing how cumbersome sight-size is for life drawing

[Anonymous No.6156735]

>>6156732
I've done sight-size from life, did a whole week-long course on that, and I actually enjoyed it. It was my first time working from a live model though.

[Anonymous No.6156900]

>>6156735
Well, to each his own I suppose;I find it far too inconvenient compared to a looser approach with comparative measurements: no need to setup things too tightly, more confidence to adjust things around if the model moves, etc.

[Anonymous No.6156939]

My objective for this draw was to make a proportionate body, but it feels... Weird I presume? Its not too bad nor good, can anybody give me a critique? Thanks!

[Anonymous No.6156981]

>>6156939
Oh I'm sorry, I just realized is the wrong board!

[Anonymous No.6157461]

Should I migrate to the bridgman thread? This one was here first and I like the vibe here

[Anonymous No.6157722]

>>6157461
Nah, you can stay here if you want. You motivate the rest of us!

[Anonymous No.6158880]

https://youtu.be/atXd2HbHYO8

New David Finch Study Stream starting in 15 min.

>>6157461
>>6157722
i concur

[Anonymous No.6158884]

>>6156161
freaking good dude

[Anonymous No.6158989]

>>6157722
>>6158880
Thanks, I will
Holy shit arms are difficult

[Anonymous No.6158998]

>>6150667
really amazing, where do you find traditional brushes like that?

[Anonymous No.6159847]

bump

[Anonymous No.6160119]

>>6134795
blog?

[Anonymous No.6160184]

>>6160119
https://instagram.com/kimjunggius

[Anonymous No.6160681]

>>6160119
very nice face. no blog, sry

>>6158989
bottom right is a bit squat

[Anonymous No.6160910]

More arms

[Anonymous No.6161062]

>>6160910
huge improvement from your last study

[Anonymous No.6161114]

Not the regular Bridgeman anon, but I've also recently started going through the book. Crits/advice always welcome.

[Anonymous No.6161119]

The stomach area here needs more work, I'm aware of that.

[Anonymous No.6161121]

This one was a bit rushed.

[Anonymous No.6161162]

>>6161121
nice attempts, i hope you try to follow through with the whole book too. I drew over this one, if you don't mind. The two problems I isolated was about getting the right tilts of the masses of the torso, and about drawing each solid mass of the torso (head, ribs, pelvis) as more solid blocks. When you draw a form, you need to pay attention to the symmetry of the form and make sure nothing is distorted. Look at the parallel lines I drew over Bridgman's hips, and the same parallel lines over yours. The problem can be resolved by sketching in basic forms first, before drawing the details on top. hope my sketches help

[Anonymous No.6161185]

>>6161162
I see your point about the symmetry, very useful, thanks! Don't mind your drawing over at all, much appreciated in fact.
I started the book from the beginning last week, putting in about 4 daily hours and yeah, I plan to keep on going with it til the end. I'll keep you guys posted!

[Anonymous No.6161245]

>>6161185
Keep going. Other anon advise regarding symmetry is of value; you can augment it for instance on >>6161121 by trying to understand how a rib cage would fit in there: the ribcage would be distorted, asymmetrical.

There are other issues, but nothing a few hundreds drawings won't solve! If you can push through, your vision will progressively develop, and you'll be able to become more precise

[Anonymous No.6161394]

>>6157461
Mecha?

[Anonymous No.6162423]

inking is hard

[Anonymous No.6162556]

>>6161062
Thanks. Sometimes it just takes a few tries, nbd

[Anonymous No.6163388]

>>6162423
Definitely; I've found it helpful to study from Renaissance artists, e.g. Michelangelo or Da Vinci.

[Anonymous No.6164296]

Bones and a redraw

[Anonymous No.6164362]

[Anonymous No.6165151]

Started heads. Not 100% accurate but pretty proud of this one

[Anonymous No.6165758]

More bones and redraws

>>6165151
Looks very nice

[Anonymous No.6166021]

>>6165758
oh these are very nice. I always struggled with that left diagram, since it's flayed open unnaturally, but you captured it well

[Anonymous No.6166023]

>>6165151
very nice. don't be afraid to use more vertical / horizontal plumb lines when working

[Anonymous No.6166025]

>>6164362
looking forward to an update :)

[Anonymous No.6166116]

>>6141065
Whoops I never realized someone replied to this. Thank you anon
>>6166021
Thanks, it was a fun one to do. I like the front of the forearm a lot more than the back, lol

[Anonymous No.6166123]

Hard to make brushwork visible with digital. I need to do more studies rather than spending ages in a full copy, idk why I do this to myself

[Anonymous No.6166933]

>>6166123
wait, d-did you paint this?

[Anonymous No.6166942]

>>6166123
Very nice, how long did this take?

[Anonymous No.6166950]

>>6165758
Arm guy, you gotta relax more when drawing them. Light lines, not too many, let them flow naturally into one another

[Anonymous No.6166953]

>>6166123
>digital
Doesn't count
Also the face is slanted to her left, left hand is too smol

[Anonymous No.6167058]

>>6166123
Now repeat it but non digital

[Anonymous No.6167119]

[Anonymous No.6167122]

>>6166953
>>6167058
seething nodraws

[Anonymous No.6167135]

>>6167119
I like your version more. Less lines and therefore cleaner. Good job!

[Anonymous No.6167172]

>>6167135
oh dang, i disagree, but thank you <3

[Anonymous No.6167238]

>>6166950
Will keep in mind for next session

[Anonymous No.6167698]

>>6167119
inaccurate proportions

[Anonymous No.6167768]

>>6167698
what bothers me more is how i couldn't capture the expression desu

>>6167238
your lines are already looking more natural and easy. good job

[Anonymous No.6168163]

Give it to me straight, like a pear cider that's made from 100% pear.

[Anonymous No.6168272]

Starting my master study oil painting course today wish me gains bros.

[Anonymous No.6168278]

>>6168272
Good luck, bro! Post your progress if you can.

[Anonymous No.6168481]

>>6168272
take my energy \o/

[Anonymous No.6168509]

>>6168278
>>6168481
Thank you anons

[Anonymous No.6168572]

I'm fast approaching Bridgeman page 100, I put in about 5 hours today, maybe more.

[Anonymous No.6168577]

>>6168572
I hate my phone...

[Anonymous No.6168777]

>>6168577
you're getting better. the study is more accurate than the ones you posted earlier

[Anonymous No.6169025]

>>6168272
Session 1
Just going once a week but I'll post again next week if the threads still up.

[Anonymous No.6169061]

>>6169025
Looks good so far

[Anonymous No.6169433]

>>6169025
Looks insanely good for being done with a brush. What color is that you're using?

[Anonymous No.6169666]

>>6169061
Thank you, looking forward to working more on it!
>>6169433
It's probably looks good because she has us start with a pencil tracing from a projector to get to painting quicker. I already draw a fair bit so I'm ok with the shortcut since I do want to focus on learning brush skills in this class.
The color is a bit of black + ochre + a bit of cadmium red

[Anonymous No.6169678]

>>6169061
Anon the deltoid is toocthin, broaden it a bit.

[Anonymous No.6170911]

>>6169025
looks really frickin good

[Anonymous No.6171021]

study after Manet. im not finished with the left angels dress. any critique?

[Anonymous No.6171032]

>>6168163
not very good

[Anonymous No.6171166]

>>6171021
looks like you are drawing with paint rather than painting. too many lines

[Anonymous No.6171240]

>>6169678
Will keep in mind for next time

[Anonymous No.6172420]

>>6171166
makes sense. any tips for being more painterly? do you think studying alla prima would help?

[Anonymous No.6172461]

[Anonymous No.6173969]

>>6172461
very nice. how long does each one take you?

[Anonymous No.6174037]

>>6173969
Thanks, only about 30-45 minutes for a page

[Anonymous No.6174555]

too tired to finish this

>>6174037
these are good. Hand might be a bit small

[Anonymous No.6174601]

>>6174555
>Too tired to copy

[Anonymous No.6174607]

>>6174601
It's my bedtime, gaki

[Anonymous No.6174671]

>>6166933
>>6166942
>>6167058
Damn this is like the first time on IC I have positive replies. Took a few days, no idea what hours. I'm actually much better with oil paints but currently can't use because travelling. Pic related was like 4 hours, last winter, with oils

[Anonymous No.6174695]

>>6174555
the hatching on the ram chair, is the hardest part of thtat drawing, don't be a pussy anon

[Anonymous No.6175009]

>>6140323
GRIFFIIIIIIIITH

[Anonymous No.6175736]

[Anonymous No.6175744]

>>6175736
I like the brushwork

[Anonymous No.6176041]

>>6175736
Sick, looking juicy and delicious
>>6174671
Wow, only 4 hours? If that's you last winter and your studies are looking this quality, you could actually make a decent living doing portraits. GMI anon

[Anonymous No.6176118]

[Anonymous No.6176480]

>>6175744
>>6176041
Thanks

[Anonymous No.6177841]

[Anonymous No.6177992]

>>6177841
very clean

[Anonymous No.6178029]

>>6177992
Clean my dick with your throat faggot

[Anonymous No.6178049]

>>6178029
it's too diseased. your only hope is to cut it off

[Anonymous No.6178056]

>>6174555
the brush you're using doesn't work for copying that drawing correctly. I'd use something without opacity, hell even the pencil tool would be many many times better.

You've also got to measure more properly, start the drawing more zoomed out and block in the big shapes more simplified before you move in. Look at it more like a puzzle of simple big shapes when you start.

For the hatching, notice how her hatching functions as a transition between patches of pure dark and patches of light. First start inking the dark patches. See for example the triangular ink shape below the man's right hand. Then once you got that you add the hatching, making the transition as pleasing as possible.

Start over anon, and do a better job, put in two times as much effort and keep the stuff I said in mind. If you really do so, you'll improve significantly.

[Anonymous No.6178063]

>>6178056
thank you, I will redo the study soon. I really appreciate the critique, you're the first person who has offered anything like that so far

[Anonymous No.6178150]

>>6177841
>>6177992
>>6178029
>>6178049
Just want to make it abundantly clear that is not me
t. bridgman anon

[Anonymous No.6178151]

>>6177992
>>6178150
Oh and thank you very much anon

[Anonymous No.6178187]

>>6177992
No offence to the anon who drew that, but it really isn't clean at all. In fact, making it cleaner is one of the things that guy needs to get on top of

[Anonymous No.6178254]

>>6178150
No one gives a fuck attention whore
Why don't you start tripfagging while you're at it

[Anonymous No.6178750]

>>6178063
nice to hear you have the right mindset and are trying again, no problem and good luck.

[Anonymous No.6178787]

>>6158998
one pencil is from ahmed aldooris brush set, you can find it on his gumroad, it looks like a textured football/diamond shape kinda, its my bread and butter for rough textures.

i use a few from kyle t websters traditional media pack, and a few others i've found through random brush packs throughout the years.

i can upload my core pencil set if you're interested

[Anonymous No.6179588]

>>6178787
Not him but I'd like your brushes if it's not too much trouble.

[Anonymous No.6179634]

40min study

[Anonymous No.6179661]

>>6179634
consider softening up edges and adding soft shadows and light using a soft brush. I might have gone overboard with it, but you get the idea.

[Anonymous No.6179687]

>>6179661
wow, that is really bad advice!

[Anonymous No.6179691]

>>6178187
Top priorities rn are gesture, construction, and accuracy

[Anonymous No.6179692]

>>6179634
not the thread for this

[Anonymous No.6179694]

>>6179588
https://files.catbox.moe/umms2r.abr

here you go fren, enjoy!

[Anonymous No.6179695]

>>6179691
Top priorities rn are gesture, construction, and accuracy.

[Anonymous No.6179696]

>>6178187
Top priorities rn are gesture, construction, and accuracy

[Anonymous No.6179700]

>>6179694
Thanks

[Anonymous No.6179898]

>>6179661
I'll conside it going forward, thank you.
>>6179692
I asked in the last thread (op you should add backlinks to previous thread ) and said it was deemed okay to work from photo. Also didnt see the academic thread.

[Anonymous No.6180746]

>>6169025
Session 2
First value pass. Ran out of time for the face but brought it home to work on.

[Anonymous No.6180787]

>>6150667
>>6179694
I tried my hand on the brushes and they look great. I really like your study, I love how loose it looks. Any tips on how to avoid an overworked render?

[Anonymous No.6180933]

>>6180746
delicious

[Anonymous No.6181031]

[Anonymous No.6181155]

>>6180787
conceptualize the aroma

[Anonymous No.6181176]

>>6180787
that looks great! glad you like the brushes.

just be careful with the "godpencil" it can be really overpowering and the harsh texture can dominate the subtler tones, used strategically though its a great brush, also really great for painting/rendering with texture.

also godpencilsoft is amazing for feeling out form, i generally start with that and then build from there.

[Anonymous No.6182847]

[Anonymous No.6182933]

Noses

[Anonymous No.6183853]

60min study

[Anonymous No.6183940]

>>6183853
Seriously, I love your brushwork. If I ever go digital, I'll hunt you down and steal your brush pack.

[Anonymous No.6184461]

>>6183853
Gorgeous, and in just an hour. GMI

[Anonymous No.6184619]

>>6183853
Studying from photo? If you do (and there's a solid 90%), go buy some cherries put them under the sun, and make a 1h color study from life.

Compare both works.

[Anonymous No.6185824]

Are there any other good brands with collections of master drawings like pic related? I could find the dover books but not much else.

[Anonymous No.6185904]

>>6185824
Vilppu has recommended Carmen Bambach's "Michelangelo: Divine Draftsman and Designer". It's pretty huge and 500+ pages

[Anonymous No.6186109]

>>6185904
exactly what i'm looking for, thanks

[Anonymous No.6186305]

>>6177841
are you an employed artist? This is pro-level I assume? Or at least (somewhat) indicates it.

[Anonymous No.6186317]

>>6186305

Anon.... these are copies from Bridgman's book.

[Anonymous No.6186318]

>>6186305
That's the most flattering thing I've ever heard, but not at all lol. Thank you though. These are just copies, we'll see how my second pass goes

[Anonymous No.6186333]

>>6186317
>>6186318
ah ok, what book is >>6177841 from then? I couldn't find it in Constructive Anatomy (1920). Even if it's from Bridgman I really like the line work.

[Anonymous No.6186339]

>>6186333
http://carlosdamascenodesenhos.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Bridgman-George-Bridgemans-Complete-Guide-To-Drawing-From-Life.pdf

[Anonymous No.6187937]

[Anonymous No.6188015]

>>6185824
I got these 2 for $10 each on the german amazon, both recommended

[Anonymous No.6188022]

>>6188015
anon...are you able to scan them and share ?

[Anonymous No.6188075]

>>6188022
I would for you, but I don't have a scanner, sorry

[Anonymous No.6188080]

>>6188015
http://libgen.rs/search.php?req=narim+bender&lg_topic=libgen&open=0&view=simple&res=25&phrase=1&column=def

http://libgen.rs/search.php?req=blagoy+kiroff&open=0&res=25&view=simple&phrase=1&column=def

Let me know if the links don't work, there's other collections of drawings by the same authors there. Some epub, some pdf.

[Anonymous No.6188112]

>>6188080
thanks a bunch, I have plenty of stuff to go through for while now

[Anonymous No.6188635]

old mastercopy, I got the wrong colors but I think the lighting here makes it even warmer than it is. I would like to do a better copy from Mead Schaeffer another time. Any recommendations on artists who good color palettes to study from? My own color choices are really bad so I want to develop and change my usual palette.

[Anonymous No.6188819]

>>6179694
Great brushes bro. But is it me or Godpencilsoft doesn't work?

[Anonymous No.6188828]

>>6188819
glad you like them!
are you using CSP or PS? that brush works great for me in PS , but I've noticed for some reason it wont work with CSP.

https://files.catbox.moe/5ait7p.abr

I reuploaded it solo here, maybe that'll fix it for you.

[Anonymous No.6188834]

>>6188828
Yea I use CSP. And it still doesn't work, damn it should be a great brush.
I appreciate the effort nevertheless.

[Anonymous No.6188844]

>>6188819
>>6188828
>>6188834
it works just turn up the brush density

[Anonymous No.6188855]

>>6188844
but it's turned up by default

[Anonymous No.6188863]

>>6188855
sorry i meant texture density , had to put in 14 just to get it to appear

[Anonymous No.6188865]

>>6188863
Cheers. It works now.

[Anonymous No.6188867]

>>6188844
oh thanks for the tip! seems like its still a bit off in CSP, as its very soft in PS, like picrel

really nice sketches btw!

[Anonymous No.6188871]

>>6134773
how good do you have to be to do master studies? at least /int/ or high /beg/?

[Anonymous No.6188884]

>>6188865
glad i could help
>>6188867
I should be thanking you for the brush pack, I've been looking for a good pencil for a year and a half. your picture is awesome btw :)

[Anonymous No.6189405]

>>6185824
>good brands like dover art
those books have notorious horrible image quality! Your printer can do a better job

look up your artist's "coffee table book" and there the brand won't matter

[Anonymous No.6189492]

[Anonymous No.6189854]

Any good book(s) on Sargent? One that discusses his technique but also the subjects in his paintings.

[Anonymous No.6190094]

>>6134933
>cheap ballpoints
a fellow man of culture i see

[Anonymous No.6190210]

>>6174671
Poor brushwork. Contrast and Hard edges nowhere to be seen. Hair looks wooly.

[Anonymous No.6190217]

>>6188867
That lineart is fucking sick

[Anonymous No.6190238]

>>6189854
Advice on Painting from John Singer Sargent is the best I know of.
https://www.muddycolors.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/adviceSargent.pdf

[Anonymous No.6190306]

>>6178056
pls forgive me critiquer-sama, i haven't drawn aynthing in a week. im in a bad mental-head-space rn but I'll work hard soon

[Anonymous No.6190366]

>>6188884
happy to help!
>>6190217
thank you :)

[Anonymous No.6190702]

shitty pencil study of a prudhon charcoal drawing that took way too long

[Anonymous No.6190708]

>>6190702
1. try drawing bigger
2. for the details (fingers, heads) just block them with big shapes, and eventually refine them later, if you have time.

Also, try to copy only body parts first, make sure you get those right; a full figure is ambitious. Take your time

[Anonymous No.6190712]

>>6190708
the actualy drawing is a bit smaller than an a4, just resized it
i do blocking in but im still too poor at it to have the full advantage

[Anonymous No.6190758]

the beg/int general seems like a shitshow so start posting here from now on

went through bridgmans constructive anatomy, his complete drawing from life is next for the "famous" 2nd copy

[Anonymous No.6190829]

If anyone here uses it, Artvee is back up.

[Anonymous No.6191100]

>>6190712
Yup, A4 is too small; A3 perhaps passable. The thing is, if you make a 2mm mistake on a A4 drawing, that'll be visually consequent, and it's easy to make a 2mm mistake.

But on a larger sheet, 2mm becomes less important. Drawing on large sheet has been/is advised in some academies for beginners (just look at videos of Russian academies, with their gigantic cast heads). It's however less suitable for finicky rendering (eg. modern use of graphite).

It's a bit counter-intuitive: we think big sheets => harder, but that's not that simple!

[Anonymous No.6191189]

>>6191100
I second this. I only have A4 available and it made it impossible to use tools like Pierre Noire and other charcoals to anything that demands details and refinment. Best I could do is drapery studies with those, or certain poses like back poses which are more forgiving and don't include a face.

On A4 graphite is the way to go, though I've had some success with carbon pencils too.

[Anonymous No.6191256]

>>6190094
It rules, I can doodle all day.

[Anonymous No.6191258]

>>6190094
It rules, I can doodle all day

[Anonymous No.6191303]

>>6191258
Hey Bridgman bro, are you copying every single page, every drawing? I'm trying to do that as well but sometimes I see drawings so loose and unstructured that it's hard to even make sense of them, let alone make an accurate copy.

[Anonymous No.6191335]

>>6191303
Yes. Rifle through a couple pages and see if there's a simplified version a little later, sometimes they're kind of "out of order" IMO, where they show you the finished one first and then how it's constructed.
When in doubt, use Michael Hampton's process he outlines in Figure Drawing: Design and Invention. Proportion, tilt, perspective. CSI lines.

[Anonymous No.6191336]

>>6191303
Oh but I'm skipping heads as per Finch.

[Anonymous No.6192051]

>>6190829
Thanks

[Anonymous No.6192834]

[Anonymous No.6193412]

>>6180746
>>6180787
>>6182933
>>6183853
>>6188635
>>6188867
>>6190702
>>6190758
>>6192834
so fucking proud of all the work being done in this thread you guys

[Anonymous No.6194074]

>>6193412
Proud of YOU because that pic looks really nice, gj anon

[Anonymous No.6194218]

>>6194074
ty <3 you've improved a lot since you started posting, Bridgman-kun. Even if this thread dies you should not quit

[Anonymous No.6195272]

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>>6195268
>>6195268