/beg/ & /int/ - Beginner and Intermediate Thread

[Anonymous No.6124160]

IF YOU ARE A /BEG/INNER OR /INT/ERMEDIATE IN ART, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice.
Use this thread instead of making new threads or post in the drawthread with fundamental exercises.

RESIZE YOUR IMAGES TO ~1000 PIXELS using one of the following methods:
1. screenshot the image and post that instead
2. change camera capture settings to something smaller
3. send to computer and resize in MSPaint

READ THE STICKY:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit#bookmark=id.15jx3pyuimvj

RECOMMENDED BOOKS FOR BEGINNERS:
- Keys to drawing
- Perspective made easy
- Figure - Design and invention
- Pen and Ink

TRY TO BE ACTIVE AND GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK.
When giving feedback, avoid vague "advice" - point what's wrong and try to give the anon you're quoting a clear direction to improve their art (study heads < watch THIS VIDEO about head structure, read THIS SECTION of THIS ARTIST'S BOOK, etc).
You, feedback seeking anon, should also try to be clear and concise when asking for critique/help. When posting your artwork, say what you want help with, and what's your goal with the study/artwork.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3uxMdokX68

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>>6120272

[Anonymous No.6124180]

Capybara and birb

[Anonymous No.6124185]

How'd I do?
It's not perfect but I learned something about shading, I think.

[Anonymous No.6124210]

it's time i draw some big ass

[Anonymous No.6124247]

Finally done

[Anonymous No.6124250]

would anyone cared if I copied real life photos? Not like stock photos but actual serious photography but my own style added to it? I'm trying to go for a magical realism style and I feel tapped out of ideas for interesting composition. You're supposed to have references anyway right? It wouldn't be considered plaigerism would it? It's just a photo.

[Anonymous No.6124261]

>>6124185
>I learned something about shading
Ok anon let's test it out. Where is the light source?
Is it direct light or ambient light?
Where core shadow occures on your ref?

[Anonymous No.6124267]

The same problem as with the coyote last thread. Maybe I'm retarded but I literally don't know how to continue. I can't paint and adding detail like the rotary dial would be pointless at this stage?
At least the proportions and perspective seem okay.

[Anonymous No.6124271]

>>6124261
Top left, on the burning eye. Direct light. No idea what a core shadow is but cross hatching sure looks cool.
Did I win?

[Anonymous No.6124278]

feels slightly off, whats wrong with it, and how do you see problems with your art that other people spot first

[Anonymous No.6124284]

So why is beg and int merged
So that ints can help begs?

[Anonymous No.6124294]

this was my most recent practice sketch. Tried to draw her with her head tilted back but I couldn't make it look right despite putting a bit of effort into it. Was thinking about giving it another shot at finishing but I might just start work on my next drawing

[Anonymous No.6124301]

>>6124247
Nice

[Anonymous No.6124305]

What minimal set of digital brushes I need to draw like this?

[Anonymous No.6124318]

>>6124271
Not bad. Jokes aside, if you want to learn shading, get your head around theory first.
Like ''How to render'' from Scott Robertson is all you need for basics, reminder that you need to have strong
understanding of perspective first, otherwise you will be confused. There are less technicall and also viable sources tho.
I just found this book groundbreaking in my career.
Also if you want to practice shading you should look for better refs, like pic rel.

[Anonymous No.6124332]

>>6124318
Appreciate the recommendation, my only knowledge comes from a 5 minute proko tutorial so I'll have to study properly at some point anyway.

[Anonymous No.6124361]

Can the perspective be improved?

[Anonymous No.6124365]

>>6124361
Of course, but it looks pretty good. Work on your figures now

[Anonymous No.6124370]

>>6124261
"core shadow" is a retarded way of referring to the fact that the farthest edge of a 3d form from the light source is often lighter rather than darker than the middle ("core") part of the shadow, because it received the most bounced light from the light source hitting things behind the object. It's not so much that there's a core shadow as that there's an indirect highlight or bounce lighting.

[Anonymous No.6124372]

>>6124361
The perspective actually looks great but the anatomy is so bad it's funny. Especially Saitama's Wojak head.

[Anonymous No.6124377]

>>6124267
Anyone?

[Anonymous No.6124380]

>>6124160
what's the best 3D pose software for tracing? also, please share any other tricks you have for cheating besides tracing poses.

before you seethe and type a wall of text explaining why I'm never gonna make it - I don't want to make it. Drawing isn't even close to my passion. In fact, I hate every second of it. I'm more into music and writing.

the thing is, I have stories in my head I want to tell with visuals, even if it's just for myself. I don't want my visuals to look like shit, but I don't care about understanding the fundamentals or being able to make stuff look good without cheating and software. I'm only doing this on the side and music + my software dev job take too much of my time for me to get seriously into drawing with no shortcuts

[Anonymous No.6124382]

>>6124380
posemaniacs

[Anonymous No.6124384]

>>6124380
Hire me
I will draw your gay story better than any malaysian on fiverr

[Anonymous No.6124410]

I've been doing this kind of study for the last couple of days. Any kind of advice with my values, "blend" and brushwork would be great :D -FYI the man on the right ended up like that because i was getting tired-

[Anonymous No.6124412]

>>6124410
He ended up like that because it's the most difficult part of the picture.

[Anonymous No.6124441]

Hello friends
https://mega.nz/folder/QsQHERxY#CJxIpUWFMbKoyuBSvjPDeg

[Anonymous No.6124452]

>>6124441
Pretty nice. The "calling me home/homo" pun was a good kek

[Anonymous No.6124456]

>>6124377
bueller?

[Anonymous No.6124461]

>>6124456
bueller?

[Anonymous No.6124502]

>>6124452
That pun was actually unintentional

[Anonymous No.6124512]

>>6124502
The best jokes often start as accidents.

[Anonymous No.6124526]

>>6124512
Just like my life

[Anonymous No.6124590]

critique / advice

[Anonymous No.6124599]

Does anyone have a link or something to a David Finch video where he goes into more detail on how to draw heads?
His YouTube videos are helpful but I'm sure there's better videos out there

[Anonymous No.6124608]

JUST DRAW BITCHES

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLqWX7onVmU

[Anonymous No.6124617]

>>6124590
Eyes and mouths are half symbol-drawn. I know you probably think they're not because you're trying to copy the shape but you're not entirely successful at that and certain parts of the process (eg sizing the pupil) you fail to follow the reference. For example you missed the eye highlights and on the top right the pupil thing is very obvious because her pupil is about 1/2 the diameter of her iris and almost big enough to meet her eyelid but in your drawing the pupil is about 1/3 the diameter of her iris (which is also slightly smaller relative to her eye than in the ref), likely because part of the pupil on both the top and bottom is obscured by a highlight, and you drew the pupil rounded but based on the visible height of the pupil. The mouths are worse, for the perspective you filled in how you thought they should be instead of what you saw on the top left and for the other three you made the outer lobes of the top lip more concave and the top lip thicker relative to the bottom lip consistently (except the bottom-right, where the lobes were already concave, but you still gave her a fatter top lip). It's not so extreme that it makes them look ugly but you made the top lips the same thickness as the bottom lips when actually they're a bit thinner (as top lips generally are on attractive faces).

Also get some copy paper or something, ruled paper does nobody any favours even if you think it's helping you with measurements or something. And it's a super nitpick but you gave top left a bump on her cheek when in the ref that's actually just a bit of negative space in her hair; since both her skin and that part of the wall are close to white you visually parsed it as part of her face I think.

[Anonymous No.6124631]

is there a reason to use the jaggy aliased binary brush? i kinda like it...

[Anonymous No.6124636]

>>6124631
If you like it, use it. It's better for doing paint bucket fills for flats but CSP's paint bucket is pretty good as-is. And of course the edge looks more crisp, even if it's also aliased.

[Anonymous No.6124637]

where am i going wrong, portraits are really fucking me up

[Anonymous No.6124641]

>>6124361
If the two characters in the picture are squaring off, then make sure they are facing one anorher. Make sure their shoulders and hips are lined up. Use the figure standing on the ground as a reference point. Is the figure in the foreground floating or landing? Push the pose!

[Anonymous No.6124654]

[Anonymous No.6124659]

>>6124617

thanks for the critique

I think i should focus more on the construction of the eyes and mouth as they seem most inaccurate, eyes i have done some before but the mouth pretty much never. I've mostly focused on nose construction as i found them very difficult (probably because it is not as easy to symbol draw the nose).

[Anonymous No.6124670]

>>6124637
You can block values with even bigger shapes, don't jump into detail too early like on the hair. Also avoid using whites or you'll corner yourself into that bright values, knock it down the value you're using for your midtones (and squint, you'll see there are more midtones than in your study), save those bright values for the brightest brights.
Last, if you're going for accuracy, don't rush too much, it's fine to have general shapes that aren't too specific, you can focus on that later (and you can smudge for softer edges, but first block in the main values), as long as your values are there, thing will fall into place, big to small is a simple yet effective rule to follow.

[Anonymous No.6124672]

>>6124654
damn, you're stronger than me at drawing muscles
looks like i gotta copy more morpho and make some from imagination

[Anonymous No.6124673]

I just found the secret to make, it but I'm not gonna tell you

[Anonymous No.6124674]

>>6124590
get your block-ins right FIRST

[Anonymous No.6124675]

>>6124672
Why won't you improve? Do I have to give you the improve pill to make you improve?

[Anonymous No.6124676]

>>6124670
>You can block values with even bigger shapes, don't jump into detail too early like on the hair.
>Also avoid using whites or you'll corner yourself into that bright values
>knock it down the value you're using for your midtones (and squint, you'll see there are more midtones than in your study)
>save those bright values for the brightest brights.

>Last, if you're going for accuracy, don't rush too much
>it's fine to have general shapes that aren't too specific
>you can focus on that later (and you can smudge for softer edges, but first block in the main values)
> as long as your values are there, thing will fall into place, big to small is a simple yet effective rule to follow.

thank you very much this helps a lot

[Anonymous No.6124680]

>>6124675
>Why won't you improve?
i fap too much

[Anonymous No.6124687]

How am i doing?

[Anonymous No.6124688]

>>6124590
stop outlining the eyeballs, especially on the bottom. there is a small pale rim there not a thick dark line

[Anonymous No.6124694]

Turns out female is a lot harder than a bird
what I learned
>Actually take the time to do construction instead of making selections and distorting them to look better
>Do line art and try something less realistic because I don't really want to be a realism painter

[Anonymous No.6124698]

>>6124687
holy kek i gave her 6 fingers, im like sakimi now...

[Anonymous No.6124699]

permanent migraine.....

[Anonymous No.6124704]

https://files.catbox.moe/6qm0v8.jpg

How much will furries pay me for this?

[Anonymous No.6124715]

>>6124687
very nice lines anon

[Anonymous No.6124722]

>>6124704
anything

[Anonymous No.6124734]

I've been lurking /beg/ for a while now and I've noticed something funny.
The retards obsessed with anime art always look for easy ways out of learning the fundies. Why is that?

[Anonymous No.6124735]

>>6124659
Well it shows, the noses were generally better.

>>6124734
It's obvious isn't it? Anime is just cartoons and newbies think cartoons don't require fundies because they're just shapes.

[Anonymous No.6124738]

>>6124734
>always look for easy ways out of learning the fundies.
I draw anime and working hard on my fundamentals sience the begining.
What now?

[Anonymous No.6124741]

>>6124735
This. I thought for the longest time that if I just drew the right shapes I could make anime or cartoons. Tried to draw for years until I found /ic/ and learned what symbol drawing was and how to think and construct 3d shapes that would lead to voluminous simplified cartoons. Blew my mind. Now I'm a furry artist millionaire apparently.

[Anonymous No.6124747]

Yesterday I went to my first irl art academy class and this is what I did.
Keep in mind I havent drawn in over 10 years

[Anonymous No.6124748]

>>6124301
Thanks

[Anonymous No.6124751]

>>6124747
Also, I just bought a drawing tablet (screenless) but now I'm conflicted.
I know that traditional and digital drawing are pretty different, even if the fundamentals are the same.
Am I in for a bad time if I try to learn both at the same time?
I'd be going 1 day (2 hours) a week to the academy to do traditional, and the rest of the week i'd be doing digital.

[centipede_fan_302 No.6124760]

i tried using the oil and watercolor brush in ms paint : )

[Anonymous No.6124777]

>>6124688
worst critique ever, nice job crab
you just outed yourself not understanding construction

[Anonymous No.6124785]

>>6124777
He's literally right though. Look at the references, there is neither a line nor an edge there. The cornea just kind of blends into the skin.

[Anonymous No.6124807]

[Anonymous No.6124811]

hurt me please

[Anonymous No.6124812]

>>6121627
updated progress. I need to find a more efficient rendering style cause this shit literally takes me forever or maybe I just need to do more painting studies and learn how to properly expedited my workflow. probably both, I don't really wanna go too far down the realism route and am only sticking with it for the sake of learning anatomy/proportions properly

[Anonymous No.6124813]

hurt me please

[Anonymous No.6124814]

>>6124807
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXNLdw9CUgE

[Anonymous No.6124816]

>>6124814
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MJ3UjR4kio

[Anonymous No.6124822]

>>6124807
Nice. Draw more bodies

[Anonymous No.6124832]

I experimented with layers today. Still have no clue what I'm doing.
Question: How can I set a brush so it doesn't get darker if I press harder or go over the same spot again?

[Anonymous No.6124834]

>>6124832
No opacity on the brush, change the opacity of the layer instead of you want it transparent

[Anonymous No.6124854]

>>6124832

[Anonymous No.6124867]

>>6124747
>>6124751
pls respond

[Anonymous No.6124872]

>>6124867
Traditional still feels more intuitive to me but after getting used to it I prefer digital and going back to traditional feels bad for various reasons. I love some of my tools and have been unable to get anything that feels even vaguely like my brushes in digital form, but it's just not enough to make up for all the advantages of digital media. I dunno what kind of answer you're looking for though.

[Anonymous No.6124873]

>>6124747
flat torso

[Anonymous No.6124875]

>>6124872
The question is: is it a bad idea trying to learn both mediums (traditional and digital) at the same time?

[Anonymous No.6124876]

Fuck faces shit fuck i hate them so much i gotta go and study more

[Anonymous No.6124881]

>>6124875
no, why would it be

[Anonymous No.6124889]

I feel like such a fraud, work has been a nightmare lately and I havent drawn seriously in months. I picked up this commission and it really shows, i can barely manage black and white lines anymore and i used to paint pretty decently

[Anonymous No.6124892]

>>6124876
Bro take it easy those look pretty nice

[Anonymous No.6124894]

>>6124876
phising

[Anonymous No.6124901]

>>6124854
How do I stop the right tilt. I look through the back of my paper, and everything is always so tilted. But I can't see that when it's the right side.

[Anonymous No.6124904]

>>6124901
Check by flip canvas and use deform tools.

[Anonymous No.6124909]

>>6124160
studied graphic design at uni for three years and rediscovered a love for painting. Which is anathema to graphic design…so now studying a masters in illustration. I know I have a lot of work to do to get good but the stuff I was drawing in my first year of uni was beyond awful.

[Anonymous No.6124920]

>>6124892
Yeah, thank you, thay just don't look like i want them to look
And i literally have to fight every time with my hands for quite some time to get something remotely apealing

[Anonymous No.6124931]

I made an IRC channel because there's too many art Discord with 1000+ users. If anyone wants to share and study with other anons feel free to join https://kiwiirc.com/nextclient/irc.rizon.net#loomis or #[e-mail]
Also if we can get the link on the OPs that would be ideal but up to everyone else.

[Anonymous No.6124934]

So uh... when it comes to fundies, can you spice it up by choosing books or works that will help lead into a style you want a bit more? Like, I'm asking this because I find Hogarth's anatomy way more interesting than the other anatomy books.
Or is it more productive to at least work through the other books to get some alternatives you may use for other stuff?

[Anonymous No.6124940]

>>6124210
This isn't a prebeg thread

[Anonymous No.6124945]

>>6124876
sus

>>6124934
What different people say constitutes fundamentals varies wildly, you'll find if you actually research it instead of listening to what some random anon or the sticky told you or something. It's the sort of thing where there's a nebulous consensus, like if someone says "value is a fundamental" other people will be like "yeah sounds about right." I don't consider anatomy a fundamental, and I don't think that's a particularly hot take either (I think my only take that would be considered hot about fundamentals is that perspective is not a fundamental, but I have a few logical reasons to defend that statement- It is not useful for all drawn or painted visual art applications (logo designs being the argumentum ad absurdum where it is almost strictly a bad thing to have, but you don't even have to go that far; consider beautiful "flat" art like that found on most Tarot card designs, for example, or the works of artists like Sidney Sime or Hokusai), it was absent from even most high art until a few centuries ago and even in modern applications it is very rarely "correct," as we tend to strongly prefer two- or three-point perspective to a photorealistic "fisheye" flattening of our 3-dimensional perception onto the viewing plane of the artwork).

That said, anything that is not a fundamental IS style, including anatomy, and yes, study style guides that follow the style you want to pursue (while being aware that you can probably learn more quickly and comprehensively by going outside of your comfort zone often). Just don't fall for the trap of making the excuse that bad anatomy is just your style if your style is bad.

[Anonymous No.6124946]

>>6124945
Oh no, I won't be making it an excuse, I was just posing whether or not exploring different explanations and/or expressions of stylistic choice is needed for comprehensive understanding, or that you should stick to stuff that interests you stylistically. Of course, this is high level stuff far beyond my /beg/ level, but I find it helps to kinda plan which form of construction I want to take on at some point.

[Anonymous No.6124948]

>>6124946
Wasn't saying you were, just putting it out there because otherwise what I said would sound like it was supporting that mindset that "bad anatomy is okay because it's a style choice." Over the years you really get tired of seeing people say that about their asymmetrical bodies and hands that look like three-year-old scribbled them.
>whether or not exploring different explanations and/or expressions of stylistic choice is needed for comprehensive understanding
summary of my answer is "it's not needed but it helps a lot"

[Anonymous No.6124950]

>>6124948
Thanks for the answer fren

[Anonymous No.6124965]

Anons of /beg/, what is your "I aspire to be able to do this one day" goal? Do you actively use it as reference?
Pic related is my goal, to be eventually to draw this over the top type of anatomy.

[Anonymous No.6124967]

>>6124965
At this point i can't tell if people unironically think that his anatomy is good or it is well drawn

[Anonymous No.6124969]

>>6124967
Whi gives a shit nerd, its aesthetic, recognizeable and unique, this is everything you should aspire to be as an artist and especially as a manga artist.

[Anonymous No.6124971]

>>6124967
Weebshits are irredeemable in that regard.

[Anonymous No.6124972]

quick doodle
kinda looks like ass but I'm trying to work my speed up, doing hampton anatomy studies is boring

[Anonymous No.6124973]

>>6124969
Yeah those circle tool pecs are so unique and aesthetically pleasing.

[Anonymous No.6124974]

>>6124380
Completely non-meme answer. Regardless of how good your 3D software is or how the models is, your traced work will look like shit unless you learned and practiced the fundamentals, line weight and control, foreshortening, perspective, anatomy, etc. If you copy the model 1 for 1 it will always look 'off' because the 3d model depicts subtle texture/muscle details that you can't just depict with a line.

There is no cheating, sorry to break it to you. If you hate drawing, you won't be able to do it unless you're autistic as fuck and force yourself. If it was as easy as tracing 3D models, everyone would do it. Mangaka and other artists do it because they actually have the technique to trace something and make it look good.
Better pray AI tech gets good/available for use in the next 5 years or so.

[Anonymous No.6124976]

>>6124965
>what is your "I aspire to be able to do this one day" goal?
I'm not an artist first and I don't want to make derivative games so I don't have one. As an artist I've admired Mucha since I was a kid, but I'm in no way unique in that regard, and that kind of art isn't particularly useful for game development even if it is soothing to the soul.

[Anonymous No.6124977]

>>6124965
I do not understand people's fascination with Baki. The perspective and anatomy is consistently fucked in the series, it just looks ugly. I figured it was an ironic thing since the whole series is about being as senseless as possible, but I've seen people legitimately praise the panels.

[Anonymous No.6124979]

>>6124965
Shit like this. Once I can make even simple pictures convey emotion like this, I'll be happy with where I'm at. Conveying emotion and 'life' is arguably one of the hardest things to do.

[Anonymous No.6124980]

>>6124977
I hear people most of the time praise the gesture moreso than the anatomy.

[Anonymous No.6124983]

>>6124965
This isn't really the thread to be posting other artists works. Anyways, drew this left handed as a joke

[Anonymous No.6124985]

>>6124983
Sorry, I probably should've posted my (shitty) attempt then to spark people to post their work next to their inspiration.

[Anonymous No.6124989]

>>6124980
I like kengan better

[Anonymous No.6124996]

>>6124985
>bottom right
SOUL

[Anonymous No.6124998]

>>6124965
>That disproportionately small but perky ass

[Anonymous No.6125001]

Tips on improving this sketch before I move onto inking and coloring.

[Anonymous No.6125005]

i've been an "artist" for 8 years

[Anonymous No.6125008]

>>6125001
I would foreshorten the right arm more and redesign the hand, looks awkward

[Anonymous No.6125018]

>>6125008
Okay, thanks. I planned on redoing that hand, but I can do more foreshortening for sure.

[Anonymous No.6125023]

>>6125005
show a finished drawing

[Anonymous No.6125027]

>>6125001
Love the dog. Did you use a reference for the girl?

[Anonymous No.6125029]

>>6125018
Be sure to post the finished drawing.

[Anonymous No.6125032]

>>6125027
Thanks for this. That helps.

I did use a reference (pic rel), followed it pretty loosely.

[Anonymous No.6125071]

waga babo bobo?

[Anonymous No.6125091]

>>6125071
stop being gay

[Anonymous No.6125118]

Been playing around with color for a while, though I may be done with colored pencils, really don't seem like my type of thing.
Ordered some paints, here's hoping I don't entirely hate that as well.

>>6124180
Nice one, though the bird looks a little higher quality than the Capybara.

>>6124185
I'd recommend against crosshatching, it's pretty difficult to pull of with an appealing result, if you want to go darker with hatching, layer more lines on top of it in the same direction or only slightly offset.

As for your shading, everything has pretty much the same value except the area around the eyes.
But if you look at the ref areas such as the upper lip, shadow under the nose and on the side of the nose, are significantly darker.
Get some softer pencils for darker areas, or if you're using an HB pencil try to limit yourself to 3 uniform values by controlling the pressure and trying to figure out where to use them appropriately,
For example, leave the white of the paper for the normal skin tone, light pressure for the mid tones, medium pressure for the shadow shapes and high pressure for the darker areas around the eye and shadow areas on the hair.

[Anonymous No.6125122]

>>6125091
That's like asking googly eyes to stop being a schizo.

[Anonymous No.6125125]

>>6125091
kys FAGGOT

[Anonymous No.6125168]

practice

[Anonymous No.6125174]

[Anonymous No.6125202]

>>6125118
do you consider yourself /int/?

[Anonymous No.6125221]

>>6124832
Help anyone?

[Anonymous No.6125222]

>>6125071
I always knew you were a bottom bitch.

[Anonymous No.6125232]

why yes im a painter
how could you tell?

[Anonymous No.6125238]

>>6125221
You're not getting answers because this requires 3 seconds of googling. Jitter is the key word.

[Anonymous No.6125278]

>>6125202
Dunno, I have a hard time judging that actually.
I have areas where I'm fairly confident such as figures and portraits, but then I'm also a slave to reference and feel like 60-70% of the time I have no idea what I'm doing.
Sometimes I get the sense that I just learned a few tricks that create some appeal while the fundamental drawing is actually pretty mediocre.
Don't really know what to do about it so I've just been trying new things such as colored pencils and now maybe paints, we'll see what comes of it.

[Anonymous No.6125307]

>>6125221
Look for opacity for pen pressure in your brush's settings.

[Anonymous No.6125329]

>>6125118
pinkanon?

[Anonymous No.6125358]

>>6125329
I don't know who that is and I don't think I post regularly enough to be known as something.

[Anonymous No.6125381]

>>6125358
oh i thought you were pinkanon because he posts similar filenames

[Anonymous No.6125403]

Should I participate in other threads or stay in my containment zone? (here)

[Anonymous No.6125424]

MS paint

[Anonymous No.6125427]

>>6125424
Damn it cropped out her niggertoes

[Anonymous No.6125507]

i honestly hate the sight of proko

[Anonymous No.6125534]

>>6125118
Thanks for the write up, I'll definitely practice putting down different values without cross hatching.

[Anonymous No.6125570]

>>6124931
Reminder! I'd like to see the links in the OP so people know where to get live help and find other people to study with in real-time. We'll try hosting Drawpile sessions and stuff occasionally too.
Discord is too big, has too man channels, etc. so we are trying to build a small but active community of people wanting to draw and improve. People of all skill levels welcome.
But yeah please put it in the next thread if no one disagrees.

[Anonymous No.6125600]

Just wanted to know
does this pose looks natural and relaxed enough for you

[Anonymous No.6125603]

>>6125600
shoulder looks tense

[Anonymous No.6125609]

>>6124160
What does Anon think?

[Anonymous No.6125623]

>>6125609
Loop it.

[Anonymous No.6125661]

>>6125623
Ok

[Anonymous No.6125668]

What are some books or videos that can help me with chubby characters?

[Anonymous No.6125690]

Is focusing on copying as a complete beg a good idea?

[Anonymous No.6125703]

>>6125690
Absolutely, but make sure to copy with the skeletal structure underneath too at first

[Anonymous No.6125704]

>>6125690
Unironically copying miniatures ( or stuff with clear 3d shapes) is a great ideea

[Anonymous No.6125705]

>>6125027
Btw if a dog's leg bent like that, it'd be broken. Good energy, but still quite the scratchy lines.

[Anonymous No.6125722]

color and painting practice
remember to not neglect your backgrounds lads

[Anonymous No.6125733]

>>6125722
Nice, it looks very realistic, I just wish there were darker shadows beneath the sushi's rice

[Anonymous No.6125761]

Mania. another bunny.

[Anonymous No.6125777]

>>6125733
yeah good call, I also realized I should've pushed the saturation on the tuna a bit so I fixed that as well. Does this look better now?

[Anonymous No.6125782]

>>6125777
Yeahh it looks way better now, cool!
Also, checked.

[Anonymous No.6125904]

>>6125777
Think if you drop some texture into the redder bits, it'd pretty much be done, nice study.

[Anonymous No.6125934]

I've been sketching people from reference for about a year now (which is also the amount of time I have been drawing in my life). I've been working on portraits more than anything, but I soon want to jump into figure drawing and practicing other body parts.

[Anonymous No.6125986]

>>6125934
Another sad victim of the Loomis meme

[Anonymous No.6125989]

>>6125934
You have trouble drawing extreme angles. Notice on the bottom right photo that the underneath of his jaw is visible and compare with your drawing.

[Anonymous No.6126001]

This is what I've been doing lately :
>grab random object and observe it for a bit
>draw frontal and side view while looking at the object
>try to figure out how to draw the same object from random perspectives without looking at the object, only at the views previously drawn
>if stuck, look at the object again
Is this good practice? My head hurts but I feel like I'm improving

[Anonymous No.6126002]

>>6124965
Drawing from imagination. I can fare relatively well if I have a reference, but I would feel accomplished when I can draw a face or pose purely from imagination. Alas, I am early in my journey, so I can only work hard to eventually reach that goal.

[Anonymous No.6126008]

>>6126001
That actually the best practice you can get, period. KJG recomands that to everyone. Godspeed anon, you're gmi

[Anonymous No.6126010]

Gonna force myself to read Loomis cover to cover, actually do the exercises, and post them here.

Fun With a Pencil: Part 14

Baby head section. Top 2 are taken from Loomis, bottom 2 are taken from actual baby pictures. Looks like the next part will start the divided ball and plane section; oh boy, oh boy.

[Anonymous No.6126028]

>>6126010
Imagine if you spent two weeks grinding asaro head instead of this baby/old man ball bullshit

[Anonymous No.6126036]

>>6125986
Genuine curiosity as the anon that posted the sketches, what makes Loomis a meme to you? So far it's been working relatively well for me, but I've heard of people that don't like it particularly. I've never quite got the reason.

[Anonymous No.6126042]

>>6125989
What do you think could help me improve in that regard? Just keep drawing more extreme angles until I get how they work and how to place everything?

[Anonymous No.6126047]

none of you bitch ass niggas ever gmi, so just give up already

[Anonymous No.6126076]

>>6125600
Alright my hand is hurts so i guess thats enough for today
How i am doing for bootleg fkey

[Anonymous No.6126078]

>>6126047
nice projecting crab

[Anonymous No.6126105]

>>6126076
creamy rendering

[Anonymous No.6126107]

>>6126076
to big left forearm, the rest is good

[Anonymous No.6126133]

This is embarrassing. but how do i get good with anime faces? thanks kind anon

[Anonymous No.6126135]

>>6126105
?
>>6126107
I don't see it but maybe cause i'm too sleepy
Gonna see tomorrow with fresh eyes but thanks regardless

[Anonymous No.6126136]

>>6126028
Sounds cool, maybe that's what I'll do when I'm done. I'd definitely like to tackle a much different method, so I can see what kind of style suits me best, but we'll see what I feel my drawings are lacking when I finish up Loomis.

[Anonymous No.6126198]

just got Midjourney beta invite, now what?

[Anonymous No.6126204]

I have realized I actually need to lower the quality of my work, because I have a sort of /beg/ "ladder anxiety."

[Anonymous No.6126222]

>>6125722
>toro sashimi
I prefer lean for sashimi.

>>6126076
Cunnychad. The cat ears are oriented wrong, if she weren't tilting her head they'd be sloping off to the side (to put it another way, you have her head tilted overall and turned toward us more but the ears are straight up and down and facing more away from us).

[Anonymous No.6126229]

>>6126133
you're back snowbox?

[Anonymous No.6126230]

Sarada

[Anonymous No.6126232]

>>6126133
This may be my personal taste, but I think overly small anatomy can hurt your piece.

Like, the uber small nose and mouth make the jaw, which is EXTREMELY small, look too big.

The gesture was good enough for now.

Some anons say you should just master gesture because it's super important, but I don't agree. I think you should attempt to color your works because it has a high skill cap.

I know there's a lot of "successful," twitter artists than shade with like, two brushes and two colors, but let's just say you've more potential than that.

[Anonymous No.6126235]

>>6125023
i dont have any

[Anonymous No.6126237]

>>6126235
big dick hittin' big wheelies on the six speed

[Anonymous No.6126249]

>>6124985
Trace the refs, put those lines next to your attempt then try it again.

[Anonymous No.6126254]

Can’t avoid lineart but soejima blur makes it far less work, any feedback?

>>6126076
Yo we got mini-marc and now mini-fkey. I’m liking it anon, rendering is so close to his early works.

[Anonymous No.6126257]

>>6126133
>anime or not, the reason the far eye appears to have less width in 3/4 is largely that the bridge of the nose partially obscures it; nose placement should be done with that in mind
>on the other hand the difference in distance is actually not that extreme so unless the rest of the drawing is in fisheye perspective the far eye should be about the same height as the near eye
>high mouths CAN be cute depending on how they're executed but can also make the chin look huge and weird
>even if it's covered by hair, the ear can be a helpful landmark for the jaw
I also agree with other guy that the super tiny mouth and nose thing doesn't look great most of the time but that doesn't mean it's verboten or anything.

>>6126232
Painting/rendering is genuinely a lot easier to learn than drawing and while yeah it has a high skillcap I would say drawing probably also has a higher skillcap. What's daunting about rendering is 1: it can look really good easily and you assume things that look good take a lot of work/skill and 2: if you're learning incorrectly it feels incoherent and impossible (especially in digital media, where the difference between using your tools effectively and ineffectively is much broader than with traditional media). It's also pretty bad to learn rendering before you have a solid grasp on drawing or at least form.

[Anonymous No.6126269]

how to breakdown rendering styles of artists i like?

[Anonymous No.6126276]

Help me anons

[Anonymous No.6126284]

Draw beg, draw or die

>>6126254
Thumbs up

>>6126036
ignore the shitposters, if you really feel the need to give them (you), reply with just PYW.

>>6125005
>>6126235
Finish your works

>>6124909
was the art school worth it? does the degree/cert or whatever art people get open any doors at all?

>>6124889
idk looks very good and clean to me

>>6124875
What is the point of learning trad when digital is just superior in every aspect? Think anon, think hard before you reply.

>>6124760
Damn you made it so well it doesnt look like MS paint work at all

>>6124734
How can you determine who is doing "fundies" and who doesnt? Am i doing fundies in your opinion?

>>6124180
Comfy

>>6126269
Almost all artists post "step by step" some of their drawings. Find such piece. It usualy goes from rough sketch to lineart to flat colors to 3D shapes to shadows.

>>6126276
Help with what? You failed to align the mouth<>eyes, nose changed perspective, ears arent aligned, you "fixed" his unique skull shape (above ears), you didnt render eyes and his browns arent as profound. BTW if you are drawing digitally just turn white color into transparent and line up your drawing with reference to instantly see where you are off.

[Anonymous No.6126291]

>>6126284
That sax is a mess but the sax player looks badass.

[Anonymous No.6126292]

Nose study. Mostly based on Michelangelo's Giuliano bust.

Tried a few from imagination on the upper left before I started. I can copy far better than I can recall from imagination. Trying to pay attention to not just the shape of the nose but also how it connects to the face and the overall relations. gonna take some of the concepts I learned and play with them on another page.

[Anonymous No.6126300]

>>6126229
hmm, probably confused with somebody else.
>>6126232
i know, but i'll agree with the other anon. i do color my pictures sometimes but i rather prefer to get my anatomy 100% correct before moving onto full rendering.
>>6126257
thanks, anon, i'll think of something

[Anonymous No.6126336]

Shouldn't beginners start by learning how to draw geometric figures to perfection?

[Anonymous No.6126340]

>>6126336
What? No.

[Anonymous No.6126351]

>>6126340
Damn, my HS school teacher lied to me then

[Anonymous No.6126369]

>>6124590
you drew with with man-jaws, makes them look like trannies

[Anonymous No.6126386]

having a hard time with this render

[Anonymous No.6126395]

>>6126351
You do, but you don't obsess over it, learn basic perspective and do some boxes from imagination as a warm up before drawing, if you don't have it down, it will reflect on your illustrations where there are more complicated forms and shapes, but first allow yourself to see the problems on your images while having a basic notion of planes and angles, you'll learn by doing first.

[Anonymous No.6126422]

How can I sketch the hair quickly? I could render it but it would take too long.

[Anonymous No.6126426]

>>6126422
graphite stick

[Anonymous No.6126429]

>>6126422
Why would you sketch the datails of the hair anyway

[Anonymous No.6126431]

>>6126429
I don't like how it looks.

>>6126426
A blender?

[Anonymous No.6126433]

>>6126431
no, a graphite stick. a stick of graphite. you hold it sideways and just fill the space in instead of trying to draw every hair. art supply stores sell them

[Anonymous No.6126437]

big boobies

[Anonymous No.6126459]

>>6124974
fug

well I guess I'll have to learn to like it. I haven't tried to draw seriously since I was a teen so maybe I've changed, though I seriously doubt it.

can I learn all that shit about perspective, anatomy, etc. with just an iPad Air, an Apple Pencil and some app like Procreate? or do I also need to waste money on artist gear? I feel like the digital approach might make me hate it much less, since there's undo and stuff like that

also how many hours a day are good enough? taking into consideration the fact that I work 9-5 and also need to make time for music and vidya. Is 1 hour a day enough?

[Anonymous No.6126463]

Been drawing trad recently, it's so nice to just make some scratches in a notebook instead of trying to wrestle with a tablet/software while chained to the desk. It just werks.

[Anonymous No.6126467]

>>6125777
Theres a bit of joocy warmth in the occlussion shadows of the rtice you're missing but other than that it looks great.

[Anonymous No.6126473]

so what's the next step after learning perspective and stuff
I've kinda backtracked since I hit a wall on figure for now and am going back to cover some fundies
most of my serious studies have been in pen and ink stuff, so my actual painting and rendering outside of lines/hatching is awful and I'm really lost
any good resources you guys would recommend? for painting or direction in general from here

[Anonymous No.6126477]

>>6126473
>my actual painting and rendering outside of lines/hatching is awful
You answered your own question lol. Do the things you're bad at till you're good at them.

[Anonymous No.6126483]

>>6126477
yeah but my point is i don't even know where to begin with painting
idk i'm supposed to have lineart, how big the stroke/brush should be, etc; the process as a whole is completely foreign to me
I was just wondering if anyone had a nice resource to point me in the right direction

[Anonymous No.6126488]

>>6126483
>painting
>lineart
Are you drawing trannime?

[Anonymous No.6126500]

>>6126386
feels like the eyes and lips are wrong somehow.

[Anonymous No.6126504]

[Anonymous No.6126510]

>>6126276
Your problem is lack of observation skills, you need to study about shapes and negative space.
Draw alot from real world. Also get your head arond perspective and 3d form, it helps makes stuff simpler.

[Anonymous No.6126511]

>>6126386
I'll have to clean this up tommorow.

[Anonymous No.6126513]

are there any alternatives to loomis?

[Anonymous No.6126514]

>>6126483
Oh I see, yeah I don't know much about that. I like Marco Bucci on youtube he's got some good concise 10 minute videos.

[Anonymous No.6126517]

>>6126513
Reilly

[Anonymous No.6126518]

>>6126513
Reference lots of faces.

[Anonymous No.6126524]

>>6126463
its nice but I just miss ctrl+z so much

[Anonymous No.6126528]

>>6126513
nope sorry

[Anonymous No.6126543]

>>6126510
thanks man i really need to push those forms, and work on 3d forms, really cool rendering though

[Anonymous No.6126573]

I love the pen and ink style. I took some liberties, but how's the rendering on this?

>>6126276
You gave him the zoomer hair lmao

[Anonymous No.6126590]

>>6126573
Dumb beg here, how do you draw like that?

[Anonymous No.6126600]

>>6126483
You should just begin painting first with whatever you know. It’s okay if it looks retarded. Do a few of them then go through a course to improve your painting process rather than going through it as a blank piece of paper. You won’t know what concept that is being taught is more important to you unless you’ve actually paint something. Think about the pros who started drawing since they were a child. Would a child think to himself that he needs to read a loomis book first to be good at figure drawing? No they just fucking draw even if it looks like shit for years until they grow up and want to get serious.

TLDR just draw/paint even if it looks like shit for a while then go take courses to see how you can do better than what you’re doing now

[Anonymous No.6126618]

>>6126590
A bit facetious but it's kind of exactly what it looks like, just messy hatching. And then the brush puts some extra sauce on top, it's one of the mameo brushes in CSP.

[Anonymous No.6126694]

Don’t know how to make this feel “finished”. Maybe more color? Idk

[Anonymous No.6126695]

>>6126222
Yeah, thats defenitely one of the problems, gotta fix them
>>6126254
Thanks

[Anonymous No.6126698]

I feel like the leg closest to us made sense when she was "naked" (like, when constructing the pose) but looks weird now with the clothes...

[Anonymous No.6126704]

>>6126694
I got you anon

[Anonymous No.6126708]

what's the LEAST in-depth general anatomy guide out there that can help me get a basic humanoid head/figure? i just want some general proportion rules plus how to attach shit to other shit so i can get back to drawing without reading a novel

[Anonymous No.6126717]

>>6126704
dammit /ic/

[Anonymous No.6126735]

>>6126284
I don't understand where do you get the confidence to mass reply and offer critique, while at the same time post those hideous scratches I imagine you consider passable art, offering thumbs up like you are some art caesar.
Its really baffling, but thats /ic/ I guess..

[Anonymous No.6126738]

>>6126284
> was the art school worth it? does the degree/cert or whatever art people get open any doors at all?

Hmmmm…I’m glad I did the graphic design course. I learned a lot of after effects for animation and got to learn important fundamentals for typography. I got a fair bit of work through contacts because of the course. I basically taught myself to draw though, books and videos, studies etc. there was an illustration component in the course but it was minimal.
The masters I’m doing in illustration is atrocious. There’s more essays than drawing amd the essays are on things utterly unrelated to illustration: decolonisation, Anthropocene, Gaia etc. it’s all lefty bullshit shoe horned in where it doesn’t belong. My drawing has actually got worse this year because I don’t have time to actually draw…on a masters course for illustration. Go figure

[Anonymous No.6126744]

I'm going to start Huston's figure drawing course, hope it's not a meme.

[Anonymous No.6126754]

>>6126708
https://youtu.be/0R8tLnkAswg?t=953
timestamped where they stop bantering and the lesson starts

[Anonymous No.6126768]

>>6126708
Hampton

[Anonymous No.6126783]

>>6124909
masters??? jesus christ

[Anonymous No.6126789]

>>6126076
pretty cool, hand reaching up is a bit large for loli

[Anonymous No.6126791]

>>6126036
'victim of x meme' is itself a meme

[Anonymous No.6126795]

>>6126791
Another victim of the "'victim of x meme' is itself a meme" meme

[Anonymous No.6126819]

>>6124590
Loomis

[Anonymous No.6126822]

>>6124160
I FUCKING HATE MYSELF

[Anonymous No.6126825]

>>6126822
Doesn't look that bad but you need to study realistic first.

[Anonymous No.6126847]

>>6126825
>Doesn't look that bad
It looks awful.
>you need to study realistic first
Shut the fuck up if you don't know what you talking about.

>>6126822
Don't hate yourself, remember that we've all been there before.
Keep working, day after day and never give up.

[Anonymous No.6126856]

>>6126847
Lol /asg/ retards sperging out

[Anonymous No.6126895]

>>6126822
what were you trying to do?
is she punching?

[Anonymous No.6126927]

I'm planning to redo the back hand, so don't comment on that.

[Anonymous No.6126949]

>>6126927
Why would you sign this

[Anonymous No.6126951]

>>6126927
please explain what is going on with that dog's leg

[Anonymous No.6126957]

>>6126949
you again. Do you even draw or just bitch on ic?
>>6126951
It's how the dog's leg looked in the reference, his paw is bent back. Maybe I'll tweak it since it's apparently not reading well.

[Anonymous No.6126962]

>>6126957
Actual schizophrenia

[Anonymous No.6127023]

>>6125777
check you values. People are so concerned about hue and saturation. Its a 3 way relationship, focus on value.

[Anonymous No.6127047]

Couldn't fix it, threw chair out of window, picked it up back, rendered and tweeted
The more i look at it the more uncanny it looks
The only thought in my head that helps me relax is that i wasn't capable of doing something like that a year ago

[Anonymous No.6127081]

>>6126822
Chin angles towards cameras

Women have larger eyewells than men

Check fet starts below eyes ends around mouth

Jaw itself is okay. Girls have the chin then a straight jaw at 30 degrees or so. If from the side, the neck flesh would be parallel to the deck but the jaw itself slightly angled.

Right eye is simply too big as it is overlapping where the cheeks would be.

You can draw moeblob with human anatomy. Check out league splash art.

Her neck is small, don't forget traps

[Anonymous No.6127085]

[Anonymous No.6127090]

>>6126694
ya piss me off ever since you asked questions like wtf was that about it was like you were upset and taking out on me or somethin'

[Anonymous No.6127097]

>>6126292
>Like a horned skull
Cannot unsee

[Anonymous No.6127098]

>>6127047
Good improvement anon. I'm
>>6126511
anon and I love the way you drew the abs.

As for the face, I think you drew the jaw of a 2 year old when you probably meant to draw the jaw of a 10 year old. Also, hand sizes.

[Anonymous No.6127116]

>>6127098
>filename

[Anonymous No.6127117]

>>6127098
it's called style, retard.

[Anonymous No.6127124]

>>6127117
cope

[Anonymous No.6127127]

>>6127124
Find a better comeback, beg faggot.

[Anonymous No.6127128]

>>6127098
I'll take hands critic but head is fine imo
Thanks

[Anonymous No.6127142]

>>6127128
That's fine. I drew an infant in there to demonstrate that even if she was immortal crawling out of the womb she would have a larger chin.

[Anonymous No.6127145]

>>6127142

[Anonymous No.6127146]

I drew an anime girl. How does it look? Is she deformed, or did I do okay this time?

[Anonymous No.6127151]

>>6127090
Wtf are you talking about

[Anonymous No.6127154]

>>6127146
horrible

[Anonymous No.6127170]

>>6127145
stop it with the beglines

[Anonymous No.6127186]

How do you get over the feeling that you're stealing someone's artwork when you're referencing their anatomy/pose?
Sure, the final piece will look distinct enough but it still bugs me a bit.

[Anonymous No.6127192]

>>6127186
check back on your art 5 months later and you ask yourself wtf did i use to draw this.

[Anonymous No.6127193]

>>6127146
Draw traps bigger neck

draw more of the nose. its placement is important and its shape is important. Your art will look ugly for a while but that's fine. You want to focus on proper nose anatomy and placement and then you can go back to ultra minimalist noses when you know how to draw them properly.

Good job on the mouth placement. It's slight too far to her left but I can see you tried to forshorten.

You almost did great on the jaw. We want chin with minor horizontal linework > flat jaw > direct vertical under the ear. Your jaw extended past the ear here when it should not have. IF IT LOOKS WIERD THEN DONT BE AFRAID TO JUST DRAW THE NECK THERE. So youd define the jaw with line/shadow and then you can just draw the neck flesh under it

IMPORTANT: You drew the head placed directly over the neck. If we look at pic related, you will notice the head extends out. So most of the jaw is hovering over thin air and again, if it looks wierd, don't be afraid to just properly define the jaw of the skull and then use neck flesh to fill in whats missing.

The biggest issue here is face length defined by the cheek fat distribution, and the eye placement doesn't help.

Your eyes aren't parallel. They would be parallel at this face angle, but don't worry about that too much.

Try to draw the distance between eyes and chin longer, making the cheek fat distribution more subtle.

Her left eye would also be closer to her nose. Regardless of face angle distance from the nose never changes.

Specifically learn how to draw male eyewells vs female eyewells. What I mean is space after the cheek ends and before the brow.This is important and you will notice how much easier it makes to draw skulls.

[Anonymous No.6127199]

>>6127192
Nah i can literally remember exact references i used for images i drew years ago anon
Maybe thats what jung gi was talking about

[Anonymous No.6127202]

>>6127193
Amazing critique, thanks a bunch anon.

[Anonymous No.6127205]

>>6127186
Kek at artists who just wanna show off and are like "GUYS LOOK I KNOW WHERE THIS MUSCLE IS, LET ME DRAW A THICK DARK LINE TO REPRESENT IT, SO YOU CAN KNOW I KNOW MY SH*T".
No one cares dude, your artwork will look a million times better if you implied your knowledge instead forcing us to notice it.

[Anonymous No.6127232]

>>6127205
nigga, you jealous

[Anonymous No.6127236]

>>6127205
This sounds like buttmad cope

[Anonymous No.6127245]

>>6127232
>>6127236
> t. George Bridgeman fan
The guy never made a single art piece lmao. He was an "anatomist" not an artist. If you wanna be like him, you do you, but your art won't be appealing or beautiful.

[Anonymous No.6127251]

>>6127186
>feeling guilty over a pose reference
This is unironic mental illness

[Anonymous No.6127252]

>>6127245
Bro i just wanna draw cool old man punching eldrich monsters.

[Anonymous No.6127258]

I have never used books or anything, just started to draw but I am really stuck with mountains. Any books recommended on this?

[Anonymous No.6127260]

>>6127258
reference

[Anonymous No.6127267]

>>6127260
Draw every single tree.

[Anonymous No.6127268]

>>6127260
yeah imma be real this is way way beyond anyone here, to render that mountain youd need to be a pro or just try break it down into some simple shapes/values but thats a very hard subject to tackle

[Anonymous No.6127273]

>>6127260
Its just a rock but big and far away

[Anonymous No.6127278]

>>6127268
Oke, I will try to break it down into shapes and leave most layers of the mountain out of it.
>>6127273
drawing things from very close or very far seems to be the most difficult

[Anonymous No.6127303]

>use the reference and carefully try to draw a nice head
>ends up looking like la abominacion
>get annoyed and just doodle the features down in a few seconds by eye
>it looks passable
I hate art sometimes

>>6127251
I think it's just insecurity. You feel held back by not being able to draw from imagination.

[Anonymous No.6127344]

>>6126735
He posts his work and contributes to the thread. pyw

[Anonymous No.6127396]

>>6127205
>>6127245
>sperging out over a completely innocuous drawing with no showing off at all
>sperging out about Bridgman out of no where
Just keep studying friend, you'll get there eventually :^)

[Anonymous No.6127400]

[Anonymous No.6127445]

>>6127396
How is that drawing not showing off?
I meant the original btw.

[Anonymous No.6127472]

wanted to practice construction, ended up doodling

[Anonymous No.6127474]

This is still unfinished. I'm unhappy with it, should I continue?

[Anonymous No.6127475]

>>6124160
>this OP image
I thought chicken scratching was supposed to be discouraged?

[Anonymous No.6127478]

uhh, guys?

>>6127469

[Anonymous No.6127479]

>>6127475
Well you thought wrong

[Anonymous No.6127483]

>>6127475
don't be a loomis zealot

[Anonymous No.6127486]

>>6126336
No, because there's a lot of things you need to learn and you can cross train them. You can learn gesture, anatomy, faces, observation, perspective, and line confidence at the same time.

[Anonymous No.6127488]

I'm partway through my first actual illustration I intend to finish, but because of the contents I don't actually know if this is the proper place to ask for comments.

[Anonymous No.6127490]

>>6127475
>consistent parallel short lines forming the impression of fur
vs
>tiny lines going in all directions because you don't know where the line goes and you're "feeling it out"
this is the same shit as someone saying "i ThOuGhT cHiCkEn ScRaTcH bAd" when they see a figure drawing with the lines restated, I bet when you have the difference pointed out to you you say the two are exactly the same too. Truly NGMI

[Anonymous No.6127491]

>>6127472
Good practice, do line confidence and facial anatomy focus now

>>6127474
No. Finishing works is for improvement. Onto the next.

[Anonymous No.6127493]

>>6127490
>this is the same shit as someone saying "i ThOuGhT cHiCkEn ScRaTcH bAd" when they see a figure drawing with the lines restated, I bet when you have the difference pointed out to you you say the two are exactly the same too. Truly NGMI

[Anonymous No.6127494]

>>6127493
Cry about it and post wojaks all you want, it won't make you make it.

[Anonymous No.6127495]

>>6127494
>Cry about it and post wojaks all you want, it won't make you make it.

[Anonymous No.6127505]

>>6127445
Where is the artist showing off? How do you come to that conclusion? It's about as understated as a drawing can be.

[Anonymous No.6127527]

>>6127491
What skills do I really need to focus on to improve? I already have an idea, but I want to make sure.

[Anonymous No.6127529]

I am trying to to get better at lighting, but it is such a pain. Used a new brush, i like the texture of it.

[Anonymous No.6127551]

>>6127472
>waist up: spartan warrior
>hips down: anime girl who just threw a baseball

[Anonymous No.6127579]

>>6127551
kek it was based on this shot from 300 but it didn't come out great

[Anonymous No.6127606]

>>6124160
portrait of nobody in particular. wanna test my observation skills, so can anyone tell who it is?

[Anonymous No.6127626]

>>6127606
gaddafi?

[Anonymous No.6127699]

>>6127606
Ghaddafi is unusually ugly anon.

[Anonymous No.6127727]

>>6127626
>>6127699
he also kinda looks like that one dude from the lawrence of arabia film

[Anonymous No.6127750]

>>6127128
face is fine

[Anonymous No.6127751]

>>6127303
>get annoyed and just doodle the features down in a few seconds by eye
>it looks passable
intuition is just as important as technique. also she is leaning like the tower of pisa

[Anonymous No.6127757]

>>6127260
beautiful image. going to stake a stab at it as well..

[Anonymous No.6127764]

[Anonymous No.6127768]

i'm ngmi bros... go on without me

[Anonymous No.6127781]

which ones better? i flipped the painting and it looked awful so i tried to fix it but i think i fucked it even more

[Anonymous No.6127793]

AIEEEEEEE I DONT WANNA BE PERMABEG ANYMORE

[Anonymous No.6127796]

why is it called beginner level and beginner general when people are drawed for many year and not beginner because drawed for many year

[Anonymous No.6127797]

>>6127781
Show the ref.

>>6127768
>>6127793
CALM DOWN

[Anonymous No.6127799]

>>6127797
far right is finished one, cba anymore not gonna fret and just move on

[Anonymous No.6127802]

>>6127799
hairlien and the jaw

[Anonymous No.6127805]

>>6127802
yup, among other things like no highlights under her left eye, its a shit show and i aint polishing a turd but thank you

[Anonymous No.6127807]

>>6127796
because the friends are the true jourey

[Anonymous No.6127809]

>>6127796
who here is not a beginner?

[Anonymous No.6127816]

>>6127799
You kind of invented the values in places, like the whole cheek to the right of the nose. Look at the shapes, there's three distinct values on the cheek. Remember to start with the big, general blocks and go back to fill in the details between. Also checked.

[Anonymous No.6127824]

stuff

[Anonymous No.6127825]

>>6127764
Cute, love the lighting!

I don't see why you have an eyewell that's 2x the size of the cheek. You also seem to be afraid of bridge of the nose. I know it's stylized, I think you can improve it. Don't be afraid to draw the line from the knucles leading back to the wrist and some more detail in the hand. Veins etc., small things that will separate you from mediocre artists.

I think you could do more with that upper eyelid. IT's a really fat line and it's clearly lazilly parallel to the eye.

Also if you are gonna stick with manga style, I think you guys need a lot more line confidence than normal. Like that arm, from that angle you always show the bone separate from the extensors. There's no reason not to because its always a visible bend.

[Anonymous No.6127827]

>>6127796
Because we strive to be grandmaster

[Anonymous No.6127839]

>>6127827
but why in beginner general and not grandmaster gneral

[Anonymous No.6127844]

>>6127839
less questions more begging

[Anonymous No.6127850]

I've been really struggling with perspective for the past year.

I still don't really know how to accurately do warped shapes like this, organic forms, rotations and I would like to find more material on how to do that.

I can definitely just bullshit it like how Drawabox teaches, but it doesn't seem good enough. I need something more technical but not cripplingly technical like Scott Robertson.

[Anonymous No.6127857]

>>6127839
Also nobody likes permalurking 4 different threads so it keeps everybody cozy.

[Anonymous No.6127867]

>>6127850
I think you need more observation. Try sculpt this forms from clay and look at different angles. Or just find different forms around you.

[Anonymous No.6127880]

>>6126927
I'm having trouble determining which leg is in front and which leg is back since they're shaded identically.

[Anonymous No.6127888]

I made the mistake of making a finished drawing today. I think I have to go back to studying gesture. I also feel like compared to others my lines are rather stiff and rough, are there any guides on handling lines?

[Anonymous No.6127893]

>>6127867
I guess that's always been the problem. My eyes are pretty fucked up and so I've avoided doing anything from reference.
I don't have any clay on hand though, so maybe I should look into Blender or Sketchfab something for references

[Anonymous No.6127911]

>>6127888
no clue maybe just go thinner on some areas

[Anonymous No.6127912]

how the fuck do i start learning how to draw if everything i do looks like an absolute ass
i feel like a 3 year old kid could absolutely mog my current abilities

[Anonymous No.6127919]

i said i would stop...i think im regressing

[Anonymous No.6127922]

>>6127888
I feel the same. Every time I go out of my comfort zone, I realize I'm probably not ready yet and don't have the basic shit down.

But getting smooth curves with lots of little organic details is pretty difficult, so all I can really think of is to study other artwork to understand how they represent this stuff and more importantly to get the muscle memory and line confidence down. Just basic practice of a line going from thick to thin back to thick again, even.

At the edge of an object like a jacket or whatever, you don't want to think of it as abruptly ending like it's flat. If you think about gesture in a more 3d sense with all of the wrapping and twisting and overlapping, over and under, you'll be able to better imagine all of the subtle little organic details at the contour and why they're there to begin with. Like here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyYCkesl2PE

[Anonymous No.6127939]

[Anonymous No.6127942]

>>6127939
I think I used to be able to do cross-contouring well, but then I suddenly lost it somehow. I wonder if I have brain problems.

[Anonymous No.6127945]

>>6127942
bruh if you can't cross contour you simply can't draw 3D

[Anonymous No.6127946]

>>6127945
I know. I think I'm getting more retarded. I'm like a hamster on a wheel

[Anonymous No.6127953]

>>6127850
Maybe you lacks 3D imagination. Post your works, there isn't obvious without picture what's your problem with - understanding rotation logic or just line precision.

[Anonymous No.6127961]

>>6127953
This is just garyc mouse doodle garbage, so it's not exactly clean

[Anonymous No.6127965]

>>6127946
you still got it in you

go on

[Anonymous No.6127968]

[Anonymous No.6127970]

>>6127961
Looks not so bad. Now try bent box and shapes. Also when you cubeing it's better to draw invisible lines too. Try paper if you hasn't a tablet.

[Anonymous No.6127973]

Goes without saying that they tend to lose volume and structure along the way

[Anonymous No.6127975]

>>6127912
no one replied because there's no answer to it

[Anonymous No.6127987]

>>6127888
Draw from the shoulder
Move with speed, knowing that mistakes can be corrected

[Anonymous No.6128000]

>>6127973
Try to model in Blender first. It's not always obvious how deformed form should look in details.

[Anonymous No.6128034]

Haven't drawn in months, this was painful, my hands feel crippled, I used to be able to draw lines properly, but now I can't stop chicken scratching. how badly did I do. i have no idea how to draw hairor anything really, are my lines too thick? How do i get into color?

[Anonymous No.6128037]

>>6128000
Ok I've give that a try. I was just hoping there might be some sort of rule on how to apply curves to 3d space and vanishing points and all that.
The most I can think of doing is using a lot of ellipses, boxing in the general space and kind of "sculpt" the shape from there based on shared vanishing points.

[Anonymous No.6128055]

got tired of stealing from typpo so now im stealing from eigaka

[Anonymous No.6128056]

>>6127919
Add more detail even if it looks like shit so we can critique.

For the nose, the light striking it will be smaller and youll be able to see the start of the eye.

Eyes should be slightly bigger. I know you might be reffing and those eyes are maybe accurate. Draw them bigger for detail practice.

[Anonymous No.6128060]

>>6128055
right Oblique wrong

arms different sizes

lineart lazy

forshortening wrong. IF camera is wide under the thigh then the entire bottom left of screen would be thigh.

[Anonymous No.6128067]

>>6127919
also your nasal passages are nearly aligned with the floor even though the head is tilted.

[Anonymous No.6128077]

>>6128060
yeah, tried to go outside my comfort zone by drawing a muscular girl.
there is no lineart because its a sketch i rendered lol

[Anonymous No.6128079]

>>6128034
You'd choose between manga/painting. If manga/cartoons then you need a lot of focus into linework because 20 panels a week is too much to paint without linework.

If you just want to do painting then you can delay linework practice for other things. You can start rendering now, but keep in mind that gesture itself has a higher skill ceiling than rendering so you'd want to keep grinding it.

Either way daily grind is more important than anything specific.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mi62WC9LqZA

[Anonymous No.6128082]

>>6128060
Not him, but how do you manage to properly apply proportion in perspective? Like maintaining head measurements.

[Anonymous No.6128089]

>>6128060
>forshortening wrong. IF camera is wide under the thigh then the entire bottom left of screen would be thigh.
wtf how'd you know

[Anonymous No.6128091]

>>6128082
Oh I don't do that at all. I think you should just set up your horizon line to make sure that certain objects are not blatently forshortened wrong and then do your best guess. Mostly because the big ticket items like faces will have less than 10% reduction from most camera angles.

I think you could create cylinders in perspective for the muscle groups and do construction out of that but that adds a casual 10 hours to just your construction, which is just super inefficient training.

[Anonymous No.6128096]

>>6128089
There is a massive rate of descent from the hips to the obliques, around twice the rate of normal anatomy.

[Anonymous No.6128107]

>>6126010
Gonna force myself to read Loomis cover to cover, actually do the exercises, and post them here.

Fun With a Pencil: Part 15

Made it to the ball & plane section. Am I winning yet?

[Anonymous No.6128119]

before i go any further with this, could anyone help me out a little with the pose? i tried looking for golf swing references but as you might imagine none of them really had the energy i'm going for

>>6128055
i like your rammy

[Anonymous No.6128121]

>>6128096
explain for a retard...

[Anonymous No.6128127]

>>6128119
thoughts

[Anonymous No.6128163]

Second ever eye I've tried to draw. Following a proko course.

Blegh. Guess I'll do another.

[Anonymous No.6128172]

>>6128107
>>6128163
Starting with facial anatomy will save you a lot of cancer later.

[Anonymous No.6128175]

>>6128079
Thanks, I'd really love to get into painting since I haven't really done a lot of that. Is CSP better for linework than photoshop?

[Anonymous No.6128178]

>>6128127
tried to simplify it a bit.
also, thanks

[Anonymous No.6128180]

>>6128121
Big thing to small thing too fast.

[Anonymous No.6128183]

>>6128127
appreciate the pic anon, it helped me spot some mistakes with the basic anatomy, but don't know whether not it's working to convey that she's about to smash something with the club since the ref is someone just having done a perfect golf swing. i'm worried too much is concealed. if you have any further advice i'd be much obliged

[Anonymous No.6128185]

>>6128183
bro i'm like 10x worse than you I got nothing
maybe just use axe or hammer swing refs

[Anonymous No.6128189]

>>6128163
#3. I just need to do a shitload of these to figure it out, right?

[Anonymous No.6128197]

>>6128091
It just gets so confusing with all of the rotations and stuff.

[Anonymous No.6128204]

>>6128178
oh the simplification is helpful thank you

>>6128185
it's cool, i'll keep working on it. axe and hammer swings would be mostly overhead, so i don't know if those would work. thank you for that first ref anyway it was quite helpful

[Anonymous No.6128205]

>>6128189

[Anonymous No.6128209]

>>6128205
>>6128204
meant for

[Anonymous No.6128253]

[Anonymous No.6128281]

[Anonymous No.6128304]

>>6127344
I already have and I aint talking to you. Let Leonardo speak for himself.

[Anonymous No.6128313]

Disastrous attempt at Vilppu page 35 type exercise.

[Anonymous No.6128333]

>>6128304
Well I'm talking to you, go crab in an ai thread or something, shit up some other thread.

[Anonymous No.6128374]

Tried to sketch out an idea I had, a group of mages walking towards the horizon, following a comet or something
How much is the perspective fucked?
Also the background on the right is pretty barren but I can always put something to fill it in a bit

[Anonymous No.6128392]

>>6128374
Who's the tallest.

[Anonymous No.6128421]

>>6128333
No I dont think I will, Susie. My beef is with him and I will settle it. How about you go take a walk or something.

[Anonymous No.6128423]

>>6126284
I know you are still lurking in this thread 'Pawell'. So before your boyfriend starts to freak out again, how about you back up your talk and face me. I challenge you to a sketch-off, just pencil and paper, No reference, draw from imagination. None of that digital crap either, its trad or nothing. Post it here timestamped, I'll give you 24 hours or until some butthurt janny bans me.

[Anonymous No.6128442]

water color but with piss

[Anonymous No.6128448]

>>6128392
The closer one, with the most distant one being very close in height

[Anonymous No.6128458]

>>6124160
lick

[Anonymous No.6128521]

>>6128442
so true!

[Anonymous No.6128566]

Is there such a thing as too much background detail. And what kind/style of shading goes well with a pencil brush. I've been trying to work on a comic but the more I get into it more I feel I'm not ready yet

[Anonymous No.6128575]

>>6128374
perspective seems good i would lower your horizon a bit . and maybe add a vanishing point.
if it still feels off after try to place you're characters heads along the horizon line.

[Anonymous No.6128603]

>>6128107
Your doing fine. Your faces are to squished together tho try spacing.eyes.nose.mouth. out a little bit more not to much. And challenge you're self to use less strokes when makeing line work. You're on the right path

[Anonymous No.6128651]

>>6128172
>>6128603
Thanks, I'll keep at it.

[Anonymous No.6128668]

>>6127268
>>6127260
I just gave it a try, didnt really work out. I feel like this is still to much detail but how can you decrease detail if its mostly shapes of gray.

[Anonymous No.6128700]

Not literally a beginner, but it has been a very long time since I’ve drawn.
It feels like I’m dyslexic when it comes to shadows and breaking things into shapes (Amiibo was used for reference). What am I doing wrong?

[grain of salt No.6128721]

looks fine to me

[grain of salt No.6128722]

>>6128721
meant to reply to
>>6128374

[Anonymous No.6128808]

>>6127260
>>6127258
If you want to keep it simple, I'd say break it down into a few clear and simple planes, and add trees in groups as if you're adding a texture to a wall.

[Anonymous No.6128830]

>>6128721
>>6128575
Thanks, will update when I finish it

[Anonymous No.6128952]

NEW THREAD
>>6128950
>>6128950
>>6128950

[Anonymous No.6129435]

>>6128313
Left figure looks cool and dynamic.