My opinion on why people have trouble with Loomis

[Anonymous No.6119318]

Nothing he says is wrong.

It’s just that his books are very hard to shallow and he is terrible at explaining things.

His famous head method is the only thing is somewhat beginner friendly…everything, even in his first book just assume you know things. And then, the difficulty just skyrockets. He was so good he assumes you are as good as he was,

His books are great for reference, but any beginner will feel terribly lost. Fun with pencil the supposed “first book for beginers” assumes you already know how to draw basic shapes ane perspective…so he gives a barebones explanation.

And then figure drawing for all it’s work just gets 10 times harder,

“How to draw comics the marvel way” should be THE beginner book. It’s beginner friendly and far better explained.

[Anonymous No.6119320]

>thinly veiled capeshit thread
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[Anonymous No.6119321]

>>6119320
NGMI

[Anonymous No.6119363]

>>6119318
You should read "Fun with..." after "How to draw", otherwise you can't draw mannequins.
/thread

[Anonymous No.6119400]

>>6119318
I agree with everything you said anon. Wonderful illustrator but garbage instructor.

Marvel -> Figure Drawing: Design and Invention + your favorite anatomy book (stonehouse, goldfinger, morpho, anatomy for sculptors) -> Bridgman

[Anonymous No.6119408]

>>6119318
I started with the fun with a pencil like 3 weeks ago and I'm still working through the funny faces. He never teaches you how to make the lines good, or what pencils to use and why (except for the blue one). I'm trying really hard to make my heads come out like his look but most of mine are shit and I have no idea how to render them aesthetically like he does. I'm not saying I'm demotivated to keep going or anything but I get the feeling he isn't going to cover rendering at all in this book :(

[Anonymous No.6119634]

>>6119408
>He never teaches you how to make the lines good,

Your lines become better over time. That happens with everyone.

>or what pencils to use and why (except for the blue one)

When you're in your early or beginner phase, the type of pencil you use doesn't really matter. What's important is getting better at the method taught.

[Anonymous No.6119644]

>>6119318
Loomis books aren't really useful if you can't already draw. And that's okay. God forbid there's resources for people who aren't absolute beginners. Day one beginners should be drawing fruit bowls.

[Anonymous No.6119668]

>>6119644
>Day one beginners should be drawing fruit bowls
you mean basic shapes

[Anonymous No.6119675]

>>6119318
>“How to draw comics the marvel way”
link?

[Anonymous No.6119682]

>>6119675
PDF
https://b-ok.cc/book/615215/234ce2

[Anonymous No.6119685]

>>6119682
danke

[Anonymous No.6119693]

>>6119318
Loomis teaches with the expectation that you're smart enough copy his examples then take was is being shown and experiment on your own. /ic/ never gets to the second step and is thus hard filtered.

[Anonymous No.6119722]

Maybe the real problem is his books are boring as shit and no one wants to draw cartoons from the 50s

[Anonymous No.6119723]

>>6119320
not really, the how to draw marvel way from 70s or something (theres a newer version not as good with same name) is basically loomis with simpler explanation. they are the classic hero proportions and not 90s hyper retarded muscles or current tumblr art.

but if people really want to learn loomis, just look up bradwynn jones channel - https://www.youtube.com/c/BradwynnJones/videos - and search for loomis. he technically does loomis and reilly rhythms in tandem, but he explains everything, what he is doing and exaggerates it so you can see what he is doing and how he does his portraits. but if you search loomis, he has the loomis plates open and does full walk through on how to approach it instead of loomis's 'draw a circle, cut sides off, draw a line now draw the fucking face'. that last part seems to be waht fucks people over with loomis. jones walks you through that last part and helps you see how to go about laying out the face after getting the basic circle part down.

[Anonymous No.6119727]

>>6119408
youre supposed to read the text too

[Anonymous No.6119740]

>>6119318
Theres literally no reason to read Loomis when much better artists exist. He's just an ic meme that went too far.
To the point where people believe Loomis invented construction, discovered proportion and any kind of mannequin drawing is 'a Loomis technique'
People here believe that if you do construction you MUST have learned it from Loomis. It's hilarious

[Anonymous No.6120162]

>>6119727
I am reading the text. I'm at the part where he teaches expressive faces and he hasn't once explained yet in the book how to render anything. Why do his lines look so crisp and clean and confident? Is he doing his linework with a pen or a pencil? I just don't know and unless I am extremely retarded (I don't discount that possibility) I don't think he has really talked about rendering at all.

>>6119634
I think I am kinda starting to understand the shape of the ball and the idea of the axis of the ball. I just wish he would explain how his drawings come out looking so professional; even when I draw the underlying structure not so terribly it still looks quite amateurish and nothing like his thick gorgeous expressive lines. I hope it will get better with practice but honestly I don't know wtf I'm doing right or wrong which is frustrating.

[Anonymous No.6120273]

Why won't you faggots take advice from people who draw much better than you?

[Anonymous No.6120279]

>>6119318
>people have trouble with Loomis

No they dont.

[Anonymous No.6120481]

>>6120279
I am
Thanks op for this thread, I'm going to check that book out

[Anonymous No.6121295]

>>6120279
I do. No idea what the book wants me to do

[Anonymous No.6121299]

>>6121295

[Anonymous No.6121325]

>>6119644
This. I had been drawing all my life up and had gained some intuitive understanding of perspective by the time I picked up Fun With A Pencil, so I understood it very easily. This won't be the case for a late starting beginner. They are great books, with a broad and comprehensive range of practical knowledge for the illustrator, but not how to get over the initial hurdle of being a complete beginner. The problem is that Loomis forgot what it was like to not understand many basic concepts that we take for granted. Much like how one forgets what it's like to not be able to read, or to understand and speak their native language. So it was for me as well, which I realized trying to coach /beg/s that what I considered "simple basics" were, in fact, neither of those things to them.

[Anonymous No.6121328]

>>6120162
That beautiful linework is something that comes with practice. Yeah, it's frustrating, I know. But at your stage, pretty linework is the least of your worries. It doesn't hurt to put some practice into your draftsmanship and line confidence, though. Loosen up by filling up pages with lines, circles, and shapes. Let your pencil skate across the page. Make marks for the sake of making marks. This builds your motor skills up, which are an important and often overlooked facet of learning to draw.

[Anonymous No.6122016]

>>6119318
>everything, even in his first book just assume you know things
sorry to break it to you retard but that's art in general
someone will always have a slightly better eye or hand based on their visual library, environmental factors snd whatnot which will make taking the "first step" slightly easier for them