/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.6085290]

How do you define art deco from any other pattern?

[Anonymous No.6085302]

>>6085290
it actually attempts to look good

[Anonymous No.6085314]

>>6085290
"Art Nouveau but more Americanized, commercialized, and soulless"

[Anonymous No.6085331]

>>6085290
Geometric. Concerned with ideas of verticality. Few to no organic shapes. Smooth powerfull figures. Very little detail on texture. Smooth, gradient shading.

[Anonymous No.6085417]

>>6085314
not really, art nouveau uses loose flowing organic plant like forms, art deco uses tighter geometric machine inspired designs

[Anonymous No.6085432]

>>6085417
Art Nouveau was partly rooted in Japanese art, Art Deco is partly routed in Greek and Ancient Egypt's styles.

[Anonymous No.6085729]

>>6085331
>>6085432
Art deco and art nouveau both embraced the deliberately decorative and graphic in art work, that is, they both used elements that were purely artistic flourish for the sake of aesthetics rather than depictions of any reality. Nouveau has a tendency toward the organic and flowing while deco has a tendency towards the regular and geometric.
Compare the work of Mucha to the work of Ertè. Both freely use exaggerations of the figure as elements of composition, for example hair, dress, and pose. But while Mucha uses long, irregular curves of elements like hair to create a flow in the composition that integrates with other decorative elements like borders or graphic semi-background elements to create the overall shape of the painting, Ertè uses those elements to carry straight lines across or through a composition in a very different way. Ertè's compositions are much more geometric, although they can at times be wildly complex.
This comparison is generally true of nouveau vs deco. Nouveau embraces the integration of flowing, irregular shapes into a smooth cohesive whole, while deco uses the repetition of more regular geometric elements into a larger whole.

As far as I'm concerned, nouveau produced superior paintings and illustrations, while deco produced superior fashion, architecture, and interior design. Keep I mind both movements did all of these things and were not solely about painting and drawing.

>>6085432
Also this, the similarities between art deco illustration and Greek pottery illustration are quite striking. The art deco movement sought to make decorative art (rather than realist art) through efficient use of line and the artists looked to ancient artisans who lacked the materials of modern artists to understand their clarity of line.

[Anonymous No.6085737]

>>6085729
Art Nouveau already had certain artists who were drawn to more geometric shapes. Stamps were also often used on fabrics to create even patterns, both floral and geometric.

[Anonymous No.6085739]

>>6085737

[Anonymous No.6085748]

>>6085432
>Art Nouveau was partly rooted in Japanese art
link me to the pre art nouveau japanese art in question

[Anonymous No.6085781]

>>6085748
>pre art nouveau
The art in question was always in flux. Decadence and symbolism morphed into art nouveau, jugendstil, and eventually art deco. Especially the Japanese woodprints made it to Europe during the final decades of the 19th century which tickled the artists' imagination. Here is just one example. When looking at nature scenes in art nouveau you will find that Japanese style quite a lot.

[Anonymous No.6085808]

>>6085748
>>6085781
Yeah there's a lot of cross pollination in 19th century European and Japanese art. The more stylised simplification, flatter figures, and somewhat graphic quality of Japanese art influenced the impressionists like Van Gough and illustrators like Aubrey Beardsley (who in turn qouldninflu3nce the gwneation of japanese illuatrators that came after him) while European techniques like atmospheric perspective influenced their Japanese contemporaries like Hiroshi Yoshida.

There was a lot of artistic back and forth.

[Anonymous No.6088138]

>>6085290
You should go read about it to understand the concept better, OP. It's not really a pattern thing. Art Deco is a style that developed from Art Nouveau and it follows a set of principles and ideas. There's a rich amount of art (from drawing, to sculpture and architecture) considered to fit within the style. The patterns are just ornaments that draw on the same set of design principles.
If you understand those underlying things you won't find yourself asking about this.

Also, look for examples. Most of these pattern are made by some random guy looking up examples of the style.