/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.5240574]

Why is the Tracing hated so hard.
"copying by eye" or "using somebody else Copyrighted content" isnt.
at the end all of this are "steaing from somebody else art and creativity"

[Anonymous No.5240577]

kill yourself happychink

[Anonymous No.5240579]

>>5240577
what if im a sad chink, I mean, im neither, but If I was, what would you do?

[Anonymous No.5240599]

>>5240579
He is talking about happyboynumber1

[Anonymous No.5240601]

>>5240574
I love stealing art to piss off the less educated. They dont realize art itself is stealing from nature.

[Anonymous No.5240615]

>>5240574
Every single clueless normalfag hates on observational drawing and calls it tracing/xeroxing.

[Anonymous No.5240624]

>>5240574
Plenty of people hate copying though. Often they just call it tracing because they don't understand or care about the distinction.

[Anonymous No.5240637]

t. Greg Land

[Anonymous No.5240651]

You only keep coming back for validation because you know you are doing something wrong. Do and be happy with yourself, why do you care if people from here accept it or not?

[Anonymous No.5240676]

>>5240601
>educated
lol you wasted >$100k in tuition to draw outlines on an overlayed photo.

[Anonymous No.5240686]

>>5240574
Tracing should only be used to simplify refs, otherwise you are a hack fraud who is ngmi

[Anonymous No.5240713]

>>5240651
I dont trace, but was seeing a little drama about 1 guy that made an animation of Tifa fucking, acusing other guy of tracing her animation because they look really similar. and was super mad.

[Anonymous No.5240724]

>>5240713
Why wouldn't you get mad if you put time into something and thought someone was taking your work for their own?

[Anonymous No.5240764]

>>5240724
Here is the example, the one on the right came out 4 days before the one on the left.
Also how different it have to be to not be stealing and just taking references

[Anonymous No.5240941]

>>5240764
Yeah, but that's how it do in the pornosphere.
Everyone steals from each other and as long as coomers don't care, nobody gives a shit.
Even then, if someone wanted to accuse the other of stealing, they would resort to middle school tactics, gaslighting and semantics
>"Nu-uh, this isn't stolen! My work has differences like xyz, they might seem similar but they're not! It's DERIVATE work! Not stolen! There aren't that many poses you can do with the human body!!!!!"
If you want to do nsfw art, be ready to see similar works everywhere.
In the end, you know what it comes down to?
The one who did it better.
Better artist can easily "steal" from lesser skilled ones.
Lesser skilled artist can't steal from better artist without getting caught
pic somewhat related

That animation is totally traced though.

[Anonymous No.5240955]

>>5240764
Only retards get mad for coom art. Stealing is good boys. Keep stealing.

[Anonymous No.5240958]

>>5240764
I like the one on the left more.

[Anonymous No.5241010]

No rules only tools, good artists copy, great artists steal - Michelangelo

[Anonymous No.5241112]

>>5240941
>pic somewhat related
I don't know what the story is behind this picture, but calling it a copywork is just crazy.

[Anonymous No.5241143]

>>5241112
It is just an example of different skill levels using the same composition to make the argument of
>In the end, you know what it comes down to?>The one who did it better.
Also they're fairly similar. I think left copied from right.

[Anonymous No.5241453]

>>5240764
Stealing coomtrash its okay.
Shit content deserves no dignity

[Anonymous No.5241487]

>>5240574
Alright, now draw your own pose, anon.

[Anonymous No.5243473]

>>5240574
It's because you're pretending to draw then posting it as if you did any kind of accomplishment. Tracing is just draw by connecting the dots but for retards that need the full picture.

[Anonymous No.5243565]

Imagine never drawing something entirely from your own mind.

You care only about the product, not about the craft. Your kind belong in Silicon Valley. Get stabbed by a homeless guy on the earliest opportunity.

[Anonymous No.5243568]

>>5240764
>the original uses good perspective, dares to show hands, and every line is animated so nothing feels out of place
>the traced copy has no perspective apart from what was traced, hides hands (lol), and several elements are stiff and unnatural since the tracer didn't know how to animate them
Yeah, I don't buy any of the bullshit that tracers try to sell me. If there was anything that tracing is apparently good at teaching, I'm not seeing it and neither are the tracers.

[Anonymous No.5244303]

>>5240764

SAUCE on the left animation? I need it for studying purposes

[Anonymous No.5244381]

>>5240764
do people really fap to this

[Anonymous No.5244528]

>>5243565
product good

[Anonymous No.5244601]

>>5240574
Even perfect tracing shows that it looks soulless. A good artist can capture a person in a drawing.

[Anonymous No.5244669]

>>5240574
It's because of the shock of realizing that magic isn't real. Artlets see art as basically witchcraft, and then they find out that it's mostly smoke and mirrors. It's like when you first learn that there's no Santa Claus, except most people learn that at an age where it's still easy for them to absorb new information.
For an adult, learning that one of your close-held beliefs isn't true is really hard. It can be so hard that it's easier to just deny reality, ignore the evidence, and go on insisting that tracing has no place in art. Clearly, all the artists that do it are cheating somehow.

[Anonymous No.5244680]

>>5240601
>They dont realize art itself is stealing from nature
kek
your education was not worth it anon

[Anonymous No.5244681]

>>5240686
>copypaste the wojak meme face on the crab
Intentional self-deprecation, or total lack of awareness? We shall never know.

[Anonymous No.5244682]

>>5240574
Based image

[Anonymous No.5244685]

It can be a good tool to use (see a ton of beautiful paintings that used tracing) but in the context of /beg/ and /int/fags using it, it severely limits your ability to draw what you want, even if you have full control over a 3d doll to trace over. When it comes to digital art, the difference between a traced artwork and something created from scratch is painfully obvious for anyone who isn't an artlet. You're doing yourself a disservice as an artist if you use tracing as a crutch instead of actually seeking improvement and no amount of cope from tracefags will change that.

[Anonymous No.5244686]

>>5240764
If it's porn no one gives a shit

[Anonymous No.5244688]

No such thing as "cheating" in art

[Anonymous No.5244690]

>>5243568
>caring about pornography

[Anonymous No.5244692]

>>5243568
>If there was anything that tracing is apparently good at teaching, I'm not seeing it and neither are the tracers.
it can be an useful tool to deconstruct refs you don't understand but that's it

[Anonymous No.5244698]

>>5240574
Is it a bad idea drawing over 3d models or not?

[Anonymous No.5244702]

>>5244698
If it's porn, then a good idea. If not, then no.

[Anonymous No.5244711]

>>5244698
Does the end result look good?

[Anonymous No.5244734]

>>5244698
It's a crutch and it comes with its set of challenges to overcome.
Taking picrel as an example for Kyle who's a faggot well known for tracing over 3d models. Observe how the right foot ankle is squished because the doll software can't accurately represent the movement of the feet. The character is very detached from the background and her face isn't properly incorporated on the 3d model. Rendering is uneven because elements such as clothes are rendered less accurately than the character's skin that is precisely shaded with the 3d software lighting as reference.
Point is, you can't take shortcuts for everything. If your skills fail to keep up then your trace will look flawed to the trained eye. However if you aim to appeal to the lowest common denominator with shit like patreon coom art and have no standards when it comes to what you create then by all means, go for it.

[Anonymous No.5244736]

>>5244698
It's a crutch and it comes with its set of challenges to overcome.
Taking picrel as an example for Kyle who's a faggot well known for tracing over 3d models. Observe how the right foot ankle is squished because the doll software can't accurately represent the movement of the feet. The character is very detached from the background and her face isn't properly incorporated on the 3d model. Rendering is uneven because elements such as clothes are rendered less accurately than the character's skin that is precisely shaded with the 3d software lighting as reference.
Point is, you can't take shortcuts for everything. If your skills fail to keep up then your trace will look flawed to the trained eye. However if you aim to appeal to the lowest common denominator with shit like patreon coom art and have no standards when it comes to what you create then by all means, go for it.

[Anonymous No.5244747]

>>5240574
I just dont like it personally because whats the point of tracing something and showing it as your work when you cant reliably replicate it on your own
like if you want to show this dude from another angle trace anon is shit out of luck while draw anon can just construct him again

[Anonymous No.5244870]

>>5240574
It is not not the same as the many other forms of "copying". There is no transformation, it is purely reproduction.
Even if other forms of art (like Dada and Pop-art) copy other existing works, its is often to serve as commentary. Not only that, those works literally copy and paste or alter other works, they don't trace.
Most often those who trace commit plagiarism to get attention, sell a better product, or both. They are artistically bankrupt.
Tracing:
1. requires no skill, worthless to the craft
2. requires no creativity, worthless to the arts

Stop trying to justify being a hack fraud, you drooling neanderthal.

[Anonymous No.5244877]

>>5244747
Only really an issue assuming at some point you’re not going to have the tools to do it, which is never gonna happen. There’s reasons to dislike tracing but this is a stupid one. It’s like everyone drawing with shit on a wall and someone invents the pencil. Everyone has pencils and then you being like “what’s the point of you can’t reliably draw it with shit on a wall tho?”