/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.5228934]

ITT secrets the pros don't want you to know

[Anonymous No.5228943]

>>5228934
Masturbate while drawing coom for maximum sex appeal

[Anonymous No.5229398]

look up and coming youtubers and draw a cartoon avatar for them for free as a "nice gesture" because "you're a big fan" and say all you want in return is to be credited for it. then if their channel gets big, more and more people will look you up.
also making it is alot more about being social and networking.

[Anonymous No.5229403]

>>5229398
>do free work for literally whos on the off chance that one of them makes it big and that the popularity somehow trickles down to your art, assuming they even keep it or that people even care about some generic cartoon avatar

[Anonymous No.5229404]

>>5228934
There are no secrets. The more you draw and practice, the better you get. The more you work hard, the faster you get good.

Stop being a lazy fuck.

[Anonymous No.5229410]

>>5229404
Cringe

[Anonymous No.5229413]

Just trace.

[Anonymous No.5229417]

>>5229410
>Millenial lazy piece of shit that is NGMI.
kek

[Anonymous No.5229434]

>>5229417
A zoomer you mean

[Anonymous No.5229471]

>>5228934
Cutie

[Anonymous No.5229493]

[Anonymous No.5229500]

But pros wouldn't mind if you know secrets and tips. A good one is this: if you're having trouble with the pose get a reference or use a 3D model to get the basic pose down and then work on top of it as you need. I don't do it often but every now and then a pose really tricks me out and I gotta do it.

[Anonymous No.5229502]

>>5229398
Or you could offer them a discount commission.

[Anonymous No.5229504]

>>5228934
Each drop of semen you drink, your drawings get better.

[Anonymous No.5229510]

>>5229413
Little Crab who let you back on Land?

[Anonymous No.5229520]

>>5229500
>pros wouldn't mind if you know secrets and tips
You would be surprised how many give vague advice or dance around the secrets question like a politician just to avoid giving out any useful information. They do exist and they do care, because they are very insecure people that don't want any more competition than they already have. I remember speaking to a few of them my senior year, school would invite them out for graduations to network with us and show our final portolios off. They were miserable people (and while drinking got a little too honest), if you asked them for any tips or critiques they would get snarky and say shit like "I dont give any advice or secrets away especially to new blood. You guys are threatening my job. I'm here to network with other professionals and get myself a good job at a studio"

[Anonymous No.5229886]

>>5228934
>>5229520
there are no secrets, except maybe don't bother buying the gumroads or whatever from each professional unless he specifically teaches you about his rendering techniques. but even this can be learned just from careful observation and practice.

anything with construction of anatomy and other fundamentals they have straight ripped from loomis, hampton or vilppu OR they make up some half baked explanation that you can learn better from the 3 listed.

well i guess there is this one secret: they know most people are lazy as fuck, have a huge ego/mentally ill/too dumb to improve, and/or are typically sensitive/overly critical about themselves to a point that they cripple their own progress.

that's why professionals aren't afraid to leak any "secrets" and why there is so many available resources out there. because 99% of the people will squander their teaching, and maybe the 1% is truly gmi because they applied themselves.

[Anonymous No.5229901]

I feel like rendering is a pretty big secret. It's the best way to learn planes and forms and cross-contours, and building your drawing up from big forms to specifics.

People always talk down on rendering like somehow its just "icing" on the cake when really there could be nothing more taxing of your drawing skills than rendering. You should be both doing long figure poses (3-4 hrs) and shorter figure poses (5-110 minutes) to get a more well rounded drawing education.

[Anonymous No.5229903]

*10 minutes

[Anonymous No.5229906]

The only good figure drawing book is Figure Drawing Manual by Finnish artist and instructor Glenndrew Villoos, who learned under Repin after he fleed Soviet Union. Book itself was never finished, but there are limited reprints of the original manuscript circulating within the industry and among the professionals. The rest books are memes and beg bait.

[Anonymous No.5229916]

>>5229520
And their secret would probably be some basic shit or fovorite tool.

[Anonymous No.5229918]

>>5228943
unironacally this

[Anonymous No.5229923]

Photobashing

[Anonymous No.5229924]

>>5229886
>there are no secrets
semibeg mindset

[Anonymous No.5229950]

>>5229510
You are the real crab. Tracing/photobashing is industry standard, obviously you make edits to make the picture your own, but it's accepted practice to just draw on top of photos/other art.

[Anonymous No.5229953]

>>5229520
>You would be surprised how many give vague advice or dance around the secrets question like a politician just to avoid giving out any useful information.
Sometimes i catch myself doing this. I don't like divulging something that gave me epiphany on my own works. Figure that shit out on your own

[Anonymous No.5229957]

>>5229510
ngmi

[Anonymous No.5229966]

>>5228934
let's hear from an actual pro!

marmalademan where you at?

[Anonymous No.5229967]

>>5229886
There are though. My teachers were working professionals and they divulged a lot. Probably because they knew the school was difficult and most people dropped out from stress so it didnt matter.

>>5229916
Sometimes yeah, other times it's some ancient knowledge kind of shit. You remember that pro that taught everyone on that forum how to draw and paint exactly like him, only to get undercut by them and lose out on jobs? A lot more people know about that than you think and it's got them freaked out about divulging too much.

>>5229953
You do you, man. People will figure it out on their own, or they will find some kind old artist close to retirement to teach them.

[Anonymous No.5229970]

>>5229953
This. Why should I help out others who are competing for the same marketshare as me?

[Anonymous No.5229979]

>>5229413
This. But for learning purposes. Also.

>>5228934
Nothing is truly original. Creativity is literally copying from others and putting your own spin on it. Ergo, what Picasso meant by stealing.

[Anonymous No.5229985]

>>5228934
Traditional, pencils in specific are a lot better to learm with. You can make out certain problems from artist who only ever learnt digital.

[Anonymous No.5229988]

>>5228934
2 words
Digital nomad

[Anonymous No.5230033]

>>5229985
what problems?

[Anonymous No.5230044]

>>5230033
Small tehcnical limitations and settings in digital makes artists take certain shortcuts that simplifies their art a lot, not in terms of the amout of lines, but the actual detail and thought behind on the model. If you started out trad, you would spend more time on not taking those sjortcuts, or polishing the work as you go along, but if you only even touched digital you will likely make those mistakes.
This isn't actually a pro secret, more so an observation from someone that does both. Open up jump, you might be able to see what I mean.
Not trashing digutal btw, just that you should learn some trad, because certain things you can almost always only learn in trad

[Anonymous No.5230055]

>>5229413
/thread

[Anonymous No.5230207]

>>5228934
You don't need to know the anatomy to draw anatomically correct drawings

[Anonymous No.5230210]

>>5229510
Hating tracing is textbook crab behavior though.
tools not rules.

[Anonymous No.5230213]

>>5229413
This. It's what Ilya did and look where he's at now.

[Anonymous No.5230281]

>>5229970
>I fear other people will steal my jobs because I only know 1 trick, and if they know it too my art will have no value
loser mindset ngl

[Anonymous No.5230311]

>>5230213
To be fair he has gotten really good as well so he clearly didn't JUST trace

[Anonymous No.5230312]

>>5230281
>just walk down the dark alley bro, there' nothing to be afraid of you insecure faggot
>who hurt you?
looking out for your own ""petty"" interests is perfectly rational

[Anonymous No.5230347]

>>5230281
>haha ya bro winners just give everything away, that's why KFC and coca-cola all have their recipes on the front page of their websites
Retard mindset ngl

[Anonymous No.5230494]

>>5229906
(You)

[Anonymous No.5230523]

The only secretive about techniques are teenagers and hobbyists.

[Anonymous No.5230531]

>>5230213
Ilya didn't trace
plagiarized/heavily referenced sure
and it was done with technical skill way higher than original
people in whose heads he still lives rent free 6 years later can only dream of achieving his level

[Anonymous No.5230539]

>>5229403
ngmi dumbass

[Anonymous No.5231011]

>>5230531
No, Ilya pulled a happyboy and traced shit when he was younger. He doesn't do it anymore but he definitely did back then, he admitted it.

[Anonymous No.5231015]

>>5229510
Tracing is a god tier method of checking your accuracy

[Anonymous No.5231290]

>>5228934
the mountain will never move, it's up to you if you want to reach the top or not.

[Anonymous No.5231349]

>>5230312
>>5230347
fragile and fearful mindsets
>>5230523
this anon knows his stuff

[Anonymous No.5231540]

>>5228934
Tracing is good

[Anonymous No.5232314]

>so many supporters of tracing on /ic/
>yet /ic/ throws shit at any artist found to be tracing like Shexyo

[Anonymous No.5232317]

>>5232314
>/ic/ is one person

[Anonymous No.5232333]

>>5231011
You have no idea what the word tracing means.

[Anonymous No.5232387]

>>5229403
>do free work
unless you're some big shot, your commission rates are equivalent to 10 or 15$ an hour and there's no way a cartoony youtube avatar takes more than two.
losing a potential 30$ for some internet fame is something you could consider, it's not like you're wasting two weeks in some twitter contest

[Anonymous No.5232396]

>>5228934
Pros share everything if you talk to them. Only beg crab nobodies treat this like some sort of autistic there is no secret. Practice you lazy fucking loser

[Anonymous No.5232397]

>>5228934
using a ref is tracing with extra steps

[Anonymous No.5232404]

>>5230210
>*photocopies your art*
tools not rules!

[Anonymous No.5232629]

>>5232396
Not all of them do. Some are fine if you just talk to them, others only tell it to their friends, and then you have the super secretive guys that don't help anyone. Being a pro doesn't suddenly change your personality and make you a saint. Don't idolize them.

[Anonymous No.5232634]

>>5229966
This but unironically.

[Anonymous No.5232636]

>>5228934
it's not worth it

[Anonymous No.5232658]

>>5229403
why not do work for a paying clients?, theres a chance that they will make it big and also you get paid

[Anonymous No.5232670]

>Study...but not too much! Avoid burnout! if you don't feel like it, don't draw! Take things slowly! Just draw what you want! If you're just drawing, you're improving

I see this shit said by every professional in an AMA. Then, they get asked about what their training regime was and go on to say how brutal it was (and then condemn it saying "it was unessisary"- this is obviously retarded because if it wasn't necessary they wouldn't be doing the fucking ama). This is either a conscious lie to keep training artists down to thin out the competition, or an unconscious lie to downplay their struggles making them look more humble in return

The secret is that growth as an artist takes an intensely focused effort and the sacrifice of time, and potentially the sacrifice of your health and relationships. Everyone seems to want to ignore this ugly side but doing so is a denial of the mileage and concerted work necessary for growth. Everyone, whether other artists or normies want you to take things easy. This is how you end up in your 30's, poor as shit not doing anything with your life. Time keeps passing and more and more people are urging artists to remain complacent so they can retain their own jobs and positions

any advice that isn't "work as much as possible, keep your head down, study, push yourself constantly and focus on improving your weaknesses and bolstering your strengths" is empty and negligent. The path to success is built on a mountain of hard work and lesser artists you have trampled through your efforts

[Anonymous No.5232688]

>>5232670
nah you’re just a retard that doesn’t understand not everything is black and white. You don’t have to grind like an autist but you shouldn’t just say “fuck it don’t feel like it” every day and expect to get better. You should push yourself but giving yourself strict times to hit isn’t gonna make you better if it makes you miserable

[Anonymous No.5232706]

>>5232670
It's a matter of balance, you should spend at least 50% of your time just drawing what you want to draw without restraint, taking it easy doesn't mean you should be complacent and taking learning less seriously.
And most importantly keep a healthy lifestyle because it will improve skill retention and motivation, 3 hours of focused practice in the morning and 5 hours of loose sketching will teach you far more than 8 hours of droning and grinding.

[Anonymous No.5232885]

>>5229967
>You remember that pro that taught everyone on that forum how to draw and paint exactly like him, only to get undercut by them and lose out on jobs?
Who was that? Sounds fascinating.

[Anonymous No.5232892]

>>5230281
>>I fear other people will steal my jobs because I only know 1 trick, and if they know it too my art will have no value
One little trick or technique of your own, polished to perfection, is enough to make your art stand out from the grey masses. Everyone should strive to have even a little bit of personal, unique expression.

[Anonymous No.5233050]

>>5232885
I can't remember, the forum was something that didn't sound art related, something knives? Maybe? Maybe I'm wrong about the name but that situation definitely happened. I remember looking through an archive of the guy teaching a bunch of people, they were receptive to it, and then he suddenly stopped getting enough gigs.

[Anonymous No.5233057]

That if you want explosive growth you study perspective and constructional drawing. Do that for 2 months and you'll move out of beg.

[Anonymous No.5233068]

>>5233057
That's not a secret, that's what everyone and their dogs tell you to do but 90% of /beg/s still refuse to do.

[Anonymous No.5233070]

>>5228934
None of them got gud by reading Loomis.

[Anonymous No.5233080]

>>5232670
This. It's only natural the harder you work the farther you'll get.

[Anonymous No.5233111]

>>5233050
Interesting! Thank you for sharing.

[Anonymous No.5233878]

don't hide your powerlevel you'll only hold yourself back from your full coom potential

[Anonymous No.5234000]

>>5233878
>i Can't Believe you don't understand the appeal
holy based

[Anonymous No.5234008]

>>5233878
kek is this real

I cant believe you dont understand the appeal in all caps should become a catchphrase


we can just keep using it until people realize whats going on.

[Anonymous No.5234040]

>>5232404
Chad lookers older then I thought.

[Anonymous No.5234183]

>>5228934
Fun with a Pencil is a fantastic book to read if you're just starting out in art.

[Anonymous No.5234252]

>>5228934
Steal and kit-bash

[Anonymous No.5234336]

>>5233080
>It's only natural the harder you work the farther you'll get.
It would be nice if things always worked that way, but this isn't at all natural

[Anonymous No.5234528]

>>5233050
Crimson daggers?

[Anonymous No.5235858]

>>5228934
Not everyone can become a great artist; but a great artist can come from anywhere

[Anonymous No.5236053]

>>5233878
>as a woman
I swear this phrase has never preceded anything of value or interest

[Anonymous No.5236144]

>>5232670
>This is how you end up in your 30's, poor as shit not doing anything with your life
fuck anon im turning 25 this year and am still fucking lost about my life.

[Anonymous No.5236154]

>>5229413
This times 100!

My skills went up as did my social media clout once I took the tracing pill.

Any pro who claims that they "draw from imagination" or even discourages using reference material is full of shit!