/beg/ BEGINNER THREAD

[Anonymous No.5213748]

IF YOU ARE A /BEG/INNER IN ART, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice.

Use this thread instead of making new threads or post in the Drawthread with fundamental exercises.

POST DRAWINGS YOU NEED HELP WITH.

RESIZE YOUR IMAGES TO ~1000 PIXELS using one of the following methods:
1. screenshot the image and post that instead
2. change camera capture settings to something smaller
3. send to computer and resize in picresize.com

Sticky document:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit#bookmark=id.15jx3pyuimvj

Take your time, you can do it!
Previous thread: >>5207946

[Anonymous No.5213821]

Crit on shading, something else? Ignore the background

[Anonymous No.5213887]

>>5213821
Instead of focusing on hard outlines and copying eye for eye on an anime picture try working on anatomy and gesture first. also the shading lacks value..

[Anonymous No.5213889]

>>5213887
thank you!
By value, you mean the darks aren't dark enough?

[Anonymous No.5213942]

pens + grayscale markers

[Anonymous No.5213945]

>>5213942
reference

[Anonymous No.5213946]

bonus

[Anonymous No.5213950]

>>5213946
That neck tho

[Anonymous No.5213989]

>>5213748
tried to draw a child link but i gave up half way through. what do I need to not suck so much /beg/?

[Anonymous No.5213997]

>>5213989
learn the fundamentals

[Anonymous No.5214025]

Expressions and faces are eh....

[Anonymous No.5214055]

What is wrong with the proportions?

[Anonymous No.5214058]

>>5214055
Looks good but I don’t like the nose.

[Anonymous No.5214060]

>>5214058
Any critique on these two I would appreciate.

[Anonymous No.5214063]

>try to draw pretty lady from imagination
>this happens
Whoopsie. Time to grind more fundies :V

[Anonymous No.5214080]

trying digital

[Anonymous No.5214093]

>>5214060
left eye is messed up

[Anonymous No.5214099]

Just bought a pen tablet a week ago so any advice and tips or digital art will be helpful specially in regards of line weight and basic rendering

[Anonymous No.5214101]

>>5214099

[Anonymous No.5214139]

Tried noise filter for the first time, any critique in general?

[Anonymous No.5214141]

Can someone do the loomis head construction on her? I can’t figure it out.

[Anonymous No.5214150]

>>5214080
>Durrrr me post my obviously not beginner art in /beg/ thread me so epic!
Get the fuck out

[Anonymous No.5214152]

Digital painting >>>>>>>>>>>> Clean lineart and cel shading

[Anonymous No.5214163]

>>5214139
That's not a noise filter. And it looks like shit when you aren't fully zoomed in.

[Anonymous No.5214165]

>>5214139
Don't

[Anonymous No.5214168]

>>5214141

[Anonymous No.5214196]

how are my loomis heads going?

[Anonymous No.5214238]

I'm trying to do that head in a box stuff that i saw in that angel ganev vid.
Made a lot of sense for some point of view, but with front views i'm a bit lost.

What kind of box would this head fit in? You can very clearly see the two side of the head so should i just draw a trapezoid ?

[Anonymous No.5214239]

>>5214238
Why yes, it's the second time in a roz i forget the pic

[Anonymous No.5214257]

I feel like /beg/ is a containment thread for newbies where nobody gives any actual advice

[Anonymous No.5214274]

>>5213942
copics or promarkers?

[Anonymous No.5214290]

>>5214257
It’s basically a hazing ritual. People who are really dedicated to learning how to draw will stick with it and figure things out on their own, and everyone who isn’t as invested will just quit.

[Anonymous No.5214309]

>>5214290
This feels like you're mocking me

From now on I'm gonna make a new thread every time I want critique, I refuse to be contained

[Anonymous No.5214313]

>>5214309
do it

[Anonymous No.5214359]

Trying to draw more dynamic characters for the first time, don't think it came across particularly well

[Anonymous No.5214367]

>>5214239
After watching him for 5 minutes, It seems his method is mostly the Loomis ball and plane thing, but extends the planes to make a box. the box is probably just a simpler way to divide the face in 3 along all sides than eyeballing Loomis with perspective thrown in.

That guy's face is slightly turned, I'd go with something like this.

[Anonymous No.5214383]

>>5214359
Looks really nice imo. Even if it's just a sketch, the quality of your lines is really noticeable. It looks way better than loomis weird boxes. Gj anon!

[Anonymous No.5214396]

>>5214309
I’m not mocking you. Also if you spam threads on the board then your chances of getting actual advice is even lower than if you just posted in /beg/.

[Anonymous No.5214408]

>>5214168
Thanks. I would have expected the side of her head to be split in equal quarters.

[Anonymous No.5214426]

How the fuck do you shade??

[Anonymous No.5214433]

>>5214426
you're shading right, your values and forms are wrong

[Anonymous No.5214435]

Why does this picture I drew suck so fucking much

[Anonymous No.5214439]

>>5214426
badly.
but last time I checked in one of the books I'm too lazy and arrogant to follow advice from, it's along the form and by rubbing the page to smooth out transitions if you're trad.

[Anonymous No.5214440]

>>5214435
composition

[Anonymous No.5214441]

>>5214433
May you elaborate on how to properly do it, please?

[Anonymous No.5214445]

>>5214367
Thanks a lot man!
I probably underevaluated the turn of the head, yours seems to make more sense

[Anonymous No.5214449]

>>5214441
https://youtu.be/YOtwCG7BLSA?t=88

[Anonymous No.5214641]

Is drawing from life a meme? before I learned form I learned the art school way to draw and everything was shit, i learned form and I improved a lot, so I figured i'd try drawing from life again, and it was still very difficult for me. But ultimately whats the value of drawing from life?

[Anonymous No.5214663]

>>5214383
Thanks for the kind words anon, I'll try to polish this one a bit more and see if it improves

[Anonymous No.5214693]

Gesture or anatomy, which one first. I want to get into construction.

[Anonymous No.5214694]

Trying to put faces to figures. Not really sure on how to make the drawings look 3d, they all look flat without the skeletons. I'd appreciate any critiques

[Anonymous No.5214760]

Does anyone have any advice for learning colour and rendering? It feels like I can draw better than I can paint.

Honestly I'm losing the will to live. I have a good idea (at least in my head I do) and not the skill to execute it. It's so fucking frustrating.

[Anonymous No.5214777]

>>5214641
Using photos gives you a distorded conception of how lighting works, since most photographers use artificial sources or carefully plan their scenes around natural ones.

That's why you're supposed to stop using porn for reference after a while. Take pic related, they're clearly using one or several giant spotlights pointed straight at the actors. That's cool when you keep that in mind, but at some point you want to go have anal sex with Alena Croft in her bathroom yourself to see what it really looks like, since unlike a photographer, you can do whatever the fuck you want with the light sources and it still works, you don't get colors blending because the scene's too dark, weird lines because the flickering neon sign in the frame fucks with the CMOS matrix in your camera, lens flare because you're facing the sun and other things.

[Anonymous No.5214788]

>>5214141

[Anonymous No.5214837]

>>5214239
>>5214238
Not sure what method you're talking about, but the box fits like this. Hope it helps, anon.

[Anonymous No.5214867]

I'm start learning figure construction from simple shapes. Should I try complex poses right now or I should focus at 3/4 till I can draw it perfectly?

[Anonymous No.5214872]

>>5214867
Focus on 3/4

[Anonymous No.5214884]

>>5214777
>Trace the forms
>Shade and color manually
The CSR method

[Anonymous No.5214951]

Aye I made it!

[Anonymous No.5214959]

>>5214777
> How to get better at anatomy according to most people: practice, hard work and dedication
> How to get better at anatomy according to anon: fuck pornstars in a bathroom

[Anonymous No.5214963]

Anatomy is fucked capt'n

[Anonymous No.5215039]

Any feedback is appreciated. I need to learn how cloth folds and how hands work to start with. First time trying out this colored paper, I like it.

[Anonymous No.5215053]

>>5214274
copics

[Anonymous No.5215056]

>>5215039
perspective is wonky

[Anonymous No.5215060]

>>5215056
On all of them and in what way? I didn't really think of perspective when drawing these but maybe I should've.

[Anonymous No.5215082]

How do I force myself to draw bigger? I always make really small drawings that are hard to ink or render, but I feel very uncomfortable when I try to make a full page drawing

[Anonymous No.5215089]

>>5214959
It's a perfect method, because even if you don't improve, you've still fucked a pornstar. It's genius

[Anonymous No.5215098]

>>5215082
draw a bigger cube

[Anonymous No.5215184]

>>5214150
based uber/beg/

[Anonymous No.5215187]

>>5214139
n

[Anonymous No.5215188]

I drew bug guy

[Anonymous No.5215190]

Is there good examples how to construct figure from boxes only, without beans or spheres? Those in Vilppu manual is too far from reality, I can't identify a humans in them. Tried to construct by myself using anatomy guide but can't deal with ribcage and shoulders.

[Anonymous No.5215224]

>>5214435
aside the subject, it look fine to me

[Anonymous No.5215253]

>>5214867
you need to find the sweet spot between stagnated in your comfort zone and pushing yourself to frustration.

[Anonymous No.5215256]

>>5212132
Hey thanks for reminding me SSJ4 existed, I made her transformation hairy.

[Anonymous No.5215267]

remember begs: work with your unconscious mind not against it!

[Anonymous No.5215293]

Hey do you guys have any tips for correctly "wrapping" lines a around a sphere?
The way I do it is drawing a line literally wrapping around it but it makes it tough to get the accuracy I need to wrap correctly especially with the 3rd line inserted. Any tips?

[Anonymous No.5215309]

>>5215293
use axis

[Anonymous No.5215348]

How do I give a character more "character" without making them overbearing deviantart nonsense?

[Anonymous No.5215349]

>>5215348
it already looks like it

[Anonymous No.5215351]

>>5215348
not making them fat

[Anonymous No.5215370]

[Anonymous No.5215373]

>>5215348
read some books from the mega

[Anonymous No.5215391]

Anything wonky here?

[Anonymous No.5215397]

>>5215293
Center axis of every ellipse goes through sphere center, ellipses touches the sphere outline. Maybe it was in Norling's book. Sorry too tired to draw, I googled a pic for you.

[Anonymous No.5215404]

>>5215397
Studying Fun with a Pencil rn but fuck me is the wrapping with the 3rd line kicking my ass

[Anonymous No.5215405]

>>5215188
I was going for "cool party bug", but I got "office work bug" instead.
Maybe the suit's too baggy?

[Anonymous No.5215432]

>>5215404
Just got a ball with drawn lines (or 3D model) and ref from it. With practice you start think in 3D and see wrapping lines. Also ball helps when drawing heads from different angles from imagination. Also there is a geometry based way to draw an ellipse on rotated sphere but i'm to tired to draw, simple find it in Robertson (maybe hot him) maybe in cylinders chapter. Googled again, it's how it works on cylinder, same for sphere, you should know camera angle.

[Anonymous No.5215443]

>>5215391
the lines in the sword dont match the handle thing or the big circle at the bottom

[Anonymous No.5215444]

[Anonymous No.5215450]

Can someone help me understand what the fuck is going on down there with the pelvis?
and what does my inability to visualize bodies under clothes mean? just that i lack mileage or is it anatomy, mannequin practice, perspective or what?

[Anonymous No.5215497]

>>5214435
because you're a coomer

[Anonymous No.5215502]

help me fix this picture with a redline or reference.

[Anonymous No.5215510]

>>5215502
use catbox you sick fuck /lsg/ does that

[Anonymous No.5215513]

>>5215443
yeah didnt notice that, moved the sword around and forgot to redraw it

[Anonymous No.5215519]

>>5215510
what is /lsg/?

[Anonymous No.5215521]

>>5215519
loli shota general

[Anonymous No.5215525]

Are these body proportions acceptable?

[Anonymous No.5215528]

>>5214694
try to use lines to indicate form in stuff like clothing to make figures seem more 3d, also the gesture in your first figure is super good especially in the hands

[Anonymous No.5215529]

>>5215521
I dont do loli and I am also computer illiterate, I just want reference and or redline.

[Anonymous No.5215543]

is sucking to draw hands normal? it is hard to get good references for poses I want.

[Anonymous No.5215544]

some sketches

[Anonymous No.5215569]

am I on the right track for this? what pitfalls can I avoid when doing this type of drawing?

[Anonymous No.5215570]

>>5215529
what you drew is loli retard

[Anonymous No.5215572]

>>5215544
disgusting

[Anonymous No.5215579]

>>5215570
>>5215572
not the guy but stfu.

[Anonymous No.5215583]

>>5215525
who cares? draw what you want. don't let the angry fat lesbians on reddit or whatever make you feel bad about it

[Anonymous No.5215586]

>>5215570
cartoons are not loli cartoons are trash.

[Anonymous No.5215587]

>>5215579
No, YOU shut the fuck up you fucking pedo
Art is meant to be beautiful there is no beauty in sexualizing children, if I find you I will bust your skull open with a steel pipe

[Anonymous No.5215593]

>>5215586
were you born this stupid or did it develop over time?

[Anonymous No.5215598]

>>5215587
I don't care about what people draw faggot, back to twitter or leddit.

[Anonymous No.5215607]

>>5213989

[Anonymous No.5215612]

>>5215583
I'm just asking if it looks off or bad. I would like to emulate this style, but I don't want to emulate a fundamentaly erroneous style.

[Anonymous No.5215613]

>>5215593
People that say Anime are cartoons are as dumb as race deniers.

[Anonymous No.5215616]

>>5215613
you're absolutely fucking frazzled, fruit cake

[Anonymous No.5215626]

>>5215607
>just draw with no guidance and reinforce your own bad habits bro

[Anonymous No.5215629]

>>5215616
you should get your eyes checked pal.

[Anonymous No.5215691]

I'm going through Loomis' Head & Hands book but his planes of the face part is so vague. Can someone recommend me a planes of the face info page/model they recommend?

pic related is his vague example.

[Anonymous No.5215694]

>>5215691
https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/asaro-head-9d26548182f8465a8e97371a9170561e
anon
learn your very very basic facial feature area

[Anonymous No.5215697]

>>5215694
what do you mean by basic facial feature area? Like be able to rotate the head in my mind and draw it from different angles and then add features?

[Anonymous No.5215699]

>>5215569
Wouldn't the vanishing point be behind a building? Unless there are no buildings on the right side of the street. But it looks like there are.

[Anonymous No.5215705]

Some crappy doodles

[Anonymous No.5215708]

>>5215705
it seems you have an understanding of the scapula. I've been getting more into back anatomy and the idea of shoulders being back or forward.

[Anonymous No.5215720]

>>5215699
Ah you're right. It would look more natural if there was a building tall enough to obscure the street. i might crop the finished product as well

[Anonymous No.5215722]

I have to stop drawing late into the night. It’s not healthy.

[Anonymous No.5215725]

[Anonymous No.5215726]

>>5215725
Blog?

[Anonymous No.5215728]

>>5215725
slowly morphing into that Galaxy Express 999 chick

[Anonymous No.5215735]

Those hands, those arms, those shoulders... what in the world is wrong with me?

[Anonymous No.5215742]

Those hands, those arms, those shoulders... what in the world is wrong with me?

[Anonymous No.5215747]

>>5215725
got worse each year kek

[Anonymous No.5215755]

>>5215742
Yes what the fuck is wrong with you.
Why would you draw something as disgusting as whatever this abomination of a drawing is supposed to be.

[Anonymous No.5215756]

>>5215742
I mean it's good for a middle schooler

[Anonymous No.5215803]

Saw this in a portrait thread. Some anon posted saying
>ive been accused of tracing/xeroxing over this. also told Im /beg/. do whatever you want with this information. I still think it was fun drawing this.
Is this true? If this guy is a beg then I'm never gonna fucking make it. This really kind of made me a bit panicked, ngl.

[Anonymous No.5215805]

>>5215742
nice render and colors tho kek kek kek

[Anonymous No.5215822]

>>5215803
he's just being memed, only thing left to do is just imagination works which he probably lacks
>ngl
With how you type you deserve whats coming and become the draw on the right side of the brain schizo

[Anonymous No.5215830]

This guy is my inspiration
https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/83739/illustrations

Is it possible to reach this level in 8 years?

[Anonymous No.5215854]

>>5215803
You don't know how long it took to do that. I'm pretty sure anyone here could make something of similar quality if they spent two months working on it everyday. Take your time.

[Anonymous No.5215880]

Do I know what I'm doing, so far?

[Anonymous No.5215881]

>>5215830
>Is it possible to reach this level in 8 years?
why do people ask this question

[Anonymous No.5215885]

>>5215830
Yes

[Anonymous No.5215894]

>>5215881
because beg kiddies are trying to look for validation instead of actually just drawing. from my experience the people who ask that sort of shit typically burn out within months which is a shame because they typically have good ideas and such.

[Anonymous No.5215992]

>>5215881
It just so happens I went to a reliable psychic who told me I have only nine years to live and I want to know if it’ll be worth taking the time to get to this level of skill.

[Anonymous No.5216006]

>>5215894
>instead of actually just drawing
Just draw is a retard meme. And what “good ideas” could someone who seeks validation instead of drawing possible have?

[Anonymous No.5216009]

>>5215881
>>5215894
I don't see what the problem is

[Anonymous No.5216018]

>>5216006
i didn't mean just draw as in the way ic means it. and he's on 4chan, he probably has some level of inspiration or visual library from media where you have a lot of ideas but not the technical ability to pull it off.

>>5216009
just pointing out observations from a couple years of drawing and other beginners i've come across. it's (almost) in the same vein of "i'm not gonna draw yet because i want to get a good sketchbook/pencils/pdfs first" when in reality they don't want to put in the work to begin with.

[Anonymous No.5216029]

>>5215992
just ask the psychic then :^)

[Anonymous No.5216105]

Water mill

[Anonymous No.5216163]

>>5214025
I get that. I spent all day yesterday trying to not fuck up my faces.

[Anonymous No.5216166]

fuck it why not let's have a laugh
not finished
make me cry if you want

[Anonymous No.5216196]

I don't have the stamina to work on pieces longer than this

[Anonymous No.5216233]

>>5215525
I think the head is a little too small

[Anonymous No.5216234]

>>5215587
>Art is meant to be beautiful
no

[Anonymous No.5216237]

>>5216196
Consider trying to juggle multiple pieces at the same time, alternating between them whenever you're growing tired with the other.
>>5216166
Reminds me a lot of Risk of Rain for some reason

[Anonymous No.5216239]

I'm doing right by studying composition, anatomy and perspective really hard as beginner? I'm also studying the basics forms everyday and training my eyes to see things differently.
I'm extremely perfectionist and enjoy studying the fundamentals.

[Anonymous No.5216249]

[Anonymous No.5216254]

>>5215725
big gurl

[Anonymous No.5216294]

>>5215742
See, this is what I feel like I'm supposed to see when I look at /beg/, not people who are lightyears ahead of me.

[Anonymous No.5216299]

[Anonymous No.5216304]

>>5215830
Of course, there’s no speed limit

[Anonymous No.5216388]

a case of knowing somethings wrong but not knowing what it is, what the fuck am i doing wrong

[Anonymous No.5216390]

>>5216388
legs, draw floor

[Anonymous No.5216398]

>>5216390
thats abit cryptic bro

[Anonymous No.5216410]

>>5216390

[Anonymous No.5216429]

>>5216410
if i was goin for a more frontal perspective how would that look?

[Anonymous No.5216445]

>>5216429
how would the legs look if it was something like this?

[Anonymous No.5216468]

>>5216163
I do feel a little bit better about today's faces tho.

[Anonymous No.5216478]

>>5216468
Forgot the faces because I'm retarded.

[Anonymous No.5216495]

>>5215880
Yes, now keep going.

[Anonymous No.5216499]

For almost a year, I've been drawing with a static size brush (i.e., it always sticks with the same size) that changes opacity depending on pen pressure, and I have some difficulty getting textures down (among other things).
Should I fuck about with other brushes, or should I try to manually lower the max opacity at times? (I always draw with opacity at a 100%).

Image attached is example of my work that I drew 2 weeks ago.

[Anonymous No.5216547]

>>5215188
anon i know you probably dont really need to hear this but this bug guy is really cool

[Anonymous No.5216651]

>>5216445

[Anonymous No.5216652]

>be me
>/beg/
>Always think concept art looks cool, astounded by all the little details and stuff
>Find out about photobashing
>Realize they're just smashing different landscape photos together, editing the levels to make them all fit the scene, then hitting it all with the mixer brush and painting characters over top (photobashing their clothes and accessories as well)
Is there a bigger black pill for a /beg/ than learning about photobashing and how prevalent it is in the industry?

[Anonymous No.5216655]

>>5216652
I wouldn't say it's the biggest black pill but it certainly disappointed me a lot. The biggest black pill is probably realizing you will likely never profit off your art without drawing porn, specifically extreme fetish porn.

[Anonymous No.5216666]

>>5216652
now you know
go grind loomis and bash all your work together

[Anonymous No.5216667]

>>5216499
Wait how do you do line weight then? Change brush size while drawing? Opacity jitter on lines would drive me fucking insane, I commend you for being able to put up with it. I like the right side of that picture btw.

[Anonymous No.5216673]

>>5216652
yes
no rules, just tools

[Anonymous No.5216684]

>>5216667
>>5216667
It's not changing brush, it's changing the size of the brush. But most of the time - especially when I wanna start rendering -, I just use the a combination of the eraser and the brush to thin out the lines.
Ref attached is the sketch of the Kanaya art, as to better give context.

[Anonymous No.5216688]

>>5216667
Also about the opacity jittering thing, I think Krita (what I use) has some sort of stabiliser for the pen pressure, which is nice.

[Anonymous No.5216691]

What are loomis?

[Anonymous No.5216695]

>>5216688
No I mean opacity jitter as in changing opacity with pressure instead of one solid opacity despite pressure. I use the GPen in CSP that automatically changes size based on pressure and is at 100% opacity all the time. So basically the opposite of what you do which is why it sounds so strange to me. But if it works for you then good.

[Anonymous No.5216699]

>>5216691
read sticky

[Anonymous No.5216700]

>>5216691
the strongest method

[Anonymous No.5216704]

60 second gestures for 24 minutes. these are fun and i feel like im slowly adjusting but also i want to learn how to start applying gesture to my art. is it just a subconscious thing or should i be actively trying to get some kind of "curve" or "flow" into poses? i guess i'll have to post an example later but i always found that even when using references and baaasically copying a pose outright, it looked like garbage

[Anonymous No.5216709]

>>5216704
go learn anatomy first jesus fucking christ why every beg wants to jump to gesture and skip everything else

[Anonymous No.5216733]

>>5216709
well see every time I came here asking where to start, more people told me to try gesture first than to try anatomy. from what I understood and remembered, you can make a really energetic feeling drawing without necessarily knowing the ins and outs of the ribcage, and i was told that i'd eventually grasp anatomy basics as my gestures increased in detail. perhaps that's the wrong way to go about it. i know ideally i should be learning and practicing both but this is just where i ended up starting.

[Anonymous No.5216744]

>>5216704
have you tried doing longer timed gestures?

[Anonymous No.5216745]

>>5216733
>from what I understood and remembered, you can make a really energetic feeling drawing without necessarily knowing the ins and outs of the ribcage
>and i was told that i'd eventually grasp anatomy basics as my gestures increased in detail
>i'd eventually grasp anatomy basics
>as my gestures increased in detail

HOLY SHIT LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Anonymous No.5216748]

>>5216744
i haven't. should i start trying for 2 minutes each?

[:weary: No.5216755]

>>5216299

It looks alright, that foot is weird though you should fix that

[Anonymous No.5216761]

>>5216748
you should try 5 mins and than 10 mins

[Anonymous No.5216765]

>>5215405
Good shit man, love bugs

[Anonymous No.5216770]

>>5216761
thanks, i'll give it a shot

[Anonymous No.5216783]

>>5216547
>>5216765
Thanks
I wanna draw more, but I'm out of ideas.

[Anonymous No.5216784]

>>5216499
>>5216684
Based Krita Chad

[Anonymous No.5216786]

>>5216709
Because other people just tell you to start with gesture
>>5215675
This board is a fucking joke. Everyone knows shit /beg/ art when they see it but very few people are good enough to explain in detail why it’s shit, so everyone just spouts off their own preferred pseudoscience theories like “I heard you should learn gesture proportions values then anatomy” or “well I heard you should learn anatomy values proportion then gesture”.

[Anonymous No.5216791]

>>5215675
>because it's one of the harder things to understand
more reason to skip it
>Just dont ignore gesture or ur drawings will look flat and ugly and gay
false, references are there to avoid that

[Anonymous No.5216798]

>>5216791
References don't suddenly inject life into your art. They just tell you how to draw a particular thing. But just copying the references can still look stiff if you're not actually considering gesture and the way the body parts flow into each other and move.

[Anonymous No.5216800]

>>5216786
Well the only solution to this mess is lurk moar

[Anonymous No.5216802]

>>5216798
observational drawing exists

[Anonymous No.5216804]

>>5216802
And do you think you're just not supposed to observe anything when you do gesture?

[Anonymous No.5216805]

trying to improve shadowing, does it generally look correct?

[Anonymous No.5216806]

>>5216804
in that limited amount of time you'll be barely analyzing what you draw, specially when you skip construction, anatomy, perspective and observational drawing because some anon told a beg to start with gesture until they get their anatomy through grinding gesture

[Anonymous No.5216808]

>>5216800
Doesn’t matter how much you lurk. It won’t make the advice given here any less shit.
I made my peace with it a long time ago. I don’t expect to get real advice here, I just use the reactions to my drawings as a gauge of how I’m progressing and then move on.

[Anonymous No.5216813]

>>5216805
Eyes way too close together. Eyes are an eye’s width apart from each other, although you have to account for how this will look different in perspective.

[Anonymous No.5216814]

All you need /beg/

[Anonymous No.5216816]

>>5216808
no its because you think lurking is an absolute waste of time, you get the wrong shit if you didnt lurk

[Anonymous No.5216825]

>>5216745
Not him but it's not as if it matters if he learns anatomy now or later. Gesture is just basic lines to convey movement, and can be learned independent of anatomy.

Figure Drawing, Design and Invention teaches this premise anyway to learn gesture first and anatomy after. Not sure why you feel the need to look down on someone because they don't conform to your narrow minded perspective on how you should learn what and when.

That being said >>5216704, I recommend design and invention by Micheal Hampton. Your gestures do lack some of the underlying basic structure and movement. I'd learn the basic construction of the figure (basic as in not specific anatomy) and then apply that to gesture. You'll find your stuff should improve provided you dedicate and apply yourself.

[Anonymous No.5216835]

>>5216814
Post some of the non-thumbnail versions of those so the mistakes aren’t hidden.

[Anonymous No.5216838]

>>5216835

[Anonymous No.5216865]

>>5216704
>i want to learn how to start applying gesture to my art.
Studying good drawings of the body will help a lot here. You'll need to learn how artists show gesture once the "restrictions" of form, anatomy, and proportions are applied to a drawing. As such, you'll also need to spend time studying form, anatomy, and proportions as well.
Gesture will be something you develop over time. I'd also suggest doing some longer drawings like the other anon said. From there see where/when your drawing loses gesture/stiffens up. Identify some of the culprits and study examples from other artists that do it well.

>i always found that even when ... copying a pose outright, it looked like garbage
This isn't exactly high art or too closely related to what I was talking about, but Plague of Gripes has a fun video that's related to this issue: https://youtu.be/7wz6PgP8PBU
Generally, the silhouette of the human body is often unflattering. He gets around this by using more appealing proportions, but you can apply the same advice by using better gesture, or shape design, etc.

[Anonymous No.5216872]

How do you guys use reference? I'm always afraid of using a reference image and basically tracing it. Do you just get a pose, colors, expressions..etc.?
Any advice would help alot.

[Anonymous No.5216875]

>>5216872
put image to the side and look at it

[Anonymous No.5216880]

>>5216825
>>5216865
Thanks a lot for your help. I'll be sure to look into all this.

[Anonymous No.5216883]

>>5216875
What do you get from the image anon? You personally. Do you take the pose from the image or do you have multiple reference images you take stuff from. And if that's the case what stops it from being tracing? I don't understand how to use a reference image without stealing from the original. Thanks for the advice!

[Anonymous No.5216884]

>>5216883
tracing != stealing

[Anonymous No.5216890]

>>5216872
>>5216883
Just grab what you need from the image. If you're worried about needing to take too much from the reference, then it's up to you to study more and rely less on refs. Personally, I like refs for certain perspective shots but I like the creative mobility in positioning the limbs and such on my own.

[Anonymous No.5216904]

>>5216880
No problem anon, glad I could help.

Basic structure is just learning the simplified shapes that compose the body, like the torso being a titled oval and the pelvis an oval or cuboid.

But yeah, get that book. It's been helpful for me when trying to improve anatomy more so than Loomis but Loomis better for drawing faces.

[Anonymous No.5216984]

>>5216783
Ladybug?

[Anonymous No.5217000]

>>5216825
when in my post i said he should learn anatomy first and how do you interpreted that as if i was mocking him for it, looks too me that you are just a passive agressive lil bitch that is projecting, i found it funny that he was told that he would get better at anatomy just by drawing more ''detailed gesture'' but at that point is just figure drawing or a copy/study which is a really dumb statement.

[Anonymous No.5217006]

Top left was fucked from the start but what about the rest? Where did I go wrong? Drawing the oval on the inside is fucking hard.

[Anonymous No.5217012]

>>5217006
read sticky

[Anonymous No.5217014]

So I'm on Andrew Loomis' head book but he's super vague about the planes of the head. Someone told me to use an Asaro Head.

My question is do I just draw this guy from different angles until I can mentally rotate it in my mind a bit? Kinda like with drawing mannequin poses?

[Anonymous No.5217015]

>>5217000
Oh okay, my bad anon. I misunderstood your greentext.

[Anonymous No.5217019]

>>5217014
how many potato heads you draw?

[Anonymous No.5217020]

>>5217006
when I first started, I learned to draw a sphere and just rotated it with the lines on there.

also think of the lines like crescent moon shapes when you drawn them. The lines that make the middle cuts of the sphere that is

[Anonymous No.5217135]

>>5216783

Try a mantis or a moth

[Anonymous No.5217254]

Could I get some feedback on my skin render? The line art isn't mine, hence why it isn't clipped to it properly, I feel like I'm close, but missing something. I put down the flats, roughly put in the shadows with pencil, transparent watercoloured it to give it a gradient effect, then made a multiply layer for the shadow below the skirt.

[Anonymous No.5217280]

thoughts?

[Anonymous No.5217282]

what thread are you supposed to go to once you graduate from /beg/?

[Anonymous No.5217291]

>>5217280
i like it but that's not how teeth on skulls work, even for stylized purposes
never be afraid to use ref.

[Anonymous No.5217295]

>>5217020
Thanks this was a good tip. Seriously helps picturing the 3d shape of the ball before adding any other shit.

[Anonymous No.5217300]

>>5217282
/beg/

[Anonymous No.5217307]

[Anonymous No.5217309]

>>5217300
but then you get called an attention and to fuck off...

[Anonymous No.5217310]

>>5217291
thanks, i did use a reference but i got lazy with the teeth lmao, what are your thoughts about this one?

[Anonymous No.5217312]

>>5217309
youll be laughed at everyone else if you post outside here

[Anonymous No.5217324]

>>5217310
this one too, I need to draw more anatomy instead of portraits.

[Anonymous No.5217341]

>>5217312
whats the fucking difference between /alt/asg/draw/salt and /beg/ i have seen dome low borderline beg tier drawings on these gens and they get told to go back or just flat ignored, so are you only allowed to leave beg when you master the fundamentals, but then again once you are barely above beg you get told to fuck off from here but you aren't a master yet so you don't have nowhere to go.....this is so hard on us.....HIGH BEGCHADS!

[Anonymous No.5217365]

>>5217341
easy solution
post everywhere
get shit on by everyone
get banned for spamming

[Anonymous No.5217370]

>>5217341
/beg/s post everywhere anyway, I don't see the problem.
some people even make their own threads... for some reason

[Anonymous No.5217382]

>>5217370
Problem is that you either get simple answers as loomis or just keep styding bro or pjust ignored, /beg/ is great if you are beg since you get straigh answers but the second you are not day 1 beg you start getting less clear answers and finally fuck off not /beg/

[Anonymous No.5217400]

>>5217382
past a certain point the only one that can help you is yourself, if you're actually good enough to not be /beg/, you're good enough to develop a critical eye and identify your own errors.
the most this board can give you once you're not /beg/ is the resources thread so you can help yourself.

[Anonymous No.5217412]

>>5217400
>past a certain point the only one that can help you is yourself,
>the only one that can help you is yourself

[Anonymous No.5217451]

>>5217341
I don’t see high-begs get told to go back to /beg/ too often. People don’t get pushed out of /asg/ or /alt/ unless they’re very awful. I would just go ahead and post wherever you want to.

[Anonymous No.5217539]

>>5217400
>>5217412
You can also try to find a good art discord focused on learning art

[Anonymous No.5217552]

>>5214837
Still looks too tilted with the top of the box not parallel to the hairline.

[Anonymous No.5217599]

[Anonymous No.5217629]

>>5216745
>>5216709
kill yourself

>>5216704
>>5216786
>>5216808
anon gesture is a great place to start but lurk more honestly, ur getting crabbed

[Anonymous No.5217664]

>>5214080
Fix the undertones on the face. It looks like its all one color. Thats whats making it look off.

[Anonymous No.5217700]

Someone please redline. The skeleton feels fucked, and I’m pretty sure it can’t be fixed without a complete redraw.

[Anonymous No.5217716]

Something feels wierd

[Anonymous No.5217726]

>>5217716
i like it, I think it's the chin that feels off.

[Anonymous No.5217738]

now you mention it, yeah, the chin is too big.
It's suppose to be a girl.

[Anonymous No.5217739]

>>5214963
Captain tinyhands reporting for duty, sir.

[Anonymous No.5217741]

>>5217716
her heard is expanding to the left

[Anonymous No.5217743]

I have to stop messing with this before I go insane. I really don't like the head shape. Her chin is too fucking long. I can't get the eyes placed right within the perspective. I can't do hair. The line quality is shit. But man does it feel good to be done. Any advice or critique would be greatly appreciated!

[Anonymous No.5217745]

>>5217741
head

[Anonymous No.5217746]

>>5217741
yep, this is what happen when you don't mirror

[Anonymous No.5217750]

>>5217741
>>5217746
wrong picture

[Anonymous No.5217751]

>>5217254
I think the shadows are a little to sharp. Blend them slightly.

[Anonymous No.5217831]

How do I work on getting my feet to feel like they are on the ground? I can't seem to get the angles right and they just look weird and floaty a lot of the time.

[Anonymous No.5217850]

>>5217831
pretty sure you just need some perspective on them to fix it

[Anonymous No.5217851]

>>5217831
Are you shading it right?

[Anonymous No.5217859]

>>5213748
Half my art is pretty good, and half my art is super /beg/. When does it fucking end?

[Anonymous No.5217881]

>>5217850
Like a perspective grid on the ground? Or should I draw some boxes around the feet in perspective

[Anonymous No.5217883]

>>5217881
>I draw some boxes around the feet in perspective
pretty much least you can have a feel that its on the ground

[Anonymous No.5217886]

>>5217883
Thanks, I'll give it a go

[Anonymous No.5217962]

>>5217307
draw shapes, not lines

[Anonymous No.5217963]

[Anonymous No.5217966]

>>5217700
OH GOD WHY IS HER KNEE FLESH RIPPED OPEN SHOWING HER BONES

oh now I realize it's her pants

[Anonymous No.5218003]

[Anonymous No.5218033]

>>5216673
>no rules, just tools
this is a good description of 4chan

[Anonymous No.5218039]

>>5217006
yoooo construct from reference then construct from imagination then fix mistakes with reference
constructing from imagination without checking against ref makes bad habits

[Anonymous No.5218105]

>>5217629
pyw

[Anonymous No.5218146]

>>5216699
>>5216700
Yeah but when someone says, need more loomis, do they mean to study more loomis?

[Anonymous No.5218148]

>>5218146
no they mean read books and courses and practice your fundamentals in general

[Anonymous No.5218149]

>>5218003
now let's see a yearly improvement chart of the feet

[Anonymous No.5218155]

>>5216239
might not be much efficient, but as long information is getting into your brain it should keep pushing you forward.

[Anonymous No.5218158]

>>5216655
>The biggest black pill is probably realizing you will likely never profit off your art without drawing porn, specifically extreme fetish porn.
the truest biggest blackest pillest is that even if you draw those, you chances still pretty low.

[Anonymous No.5218167]

>>5216884
!tracing != !stealing

[Anonymous No.5218174]

>>5218167
duh

[Anonymous No.5218179]

>>5217341
>>5217382
>>5217365
>>5217451

my dream is to have a general general /gg/, a place where everyone can post despite of skill level and subject matter!

[Anonymous No.5218188]

>>5217716
>>5217746
>>5217750
is your monitor at an angle? I have a theory that this is what causes this type of distortion.

[Anonymous No.5218190]

>>5217831
did you try doing some studies? it is what works for me.

[Anonymous No.5218192]

>>5217859
never, the ratio changes, but never to zero. that is why you do multiple versions.

[Anonymous No.5218225]

What are the best resources for actually make my drawings feel 3d? I am already studying anatomy little by little and before I start dedicating more of my free time to improve my art I want to fix what I am lacking the most on in general. Already did DAB till the 250 boxes bullshit (where I quitted), and now I am only studying Bridgman books

[Anonymous No.5218235]

[Anonymous No.5218239]

I’ve been getting a massive number of porn bot followers on my art twitter account suddenly - is there any reason for this and can I stop it?

[Anonymous No.5218247]

How’s this for shadow / light practice?

[Anonymous No.5218252]

>>5218225
The proportions detract from the feel of this, I feel like the anatomy lets down the sense of depth

[Anonymous No.5218253]

>>5218235
Blog?

[Anonymous No.5218308]

>>5218247
Here’s an update I thought was better but I still is a bit off

[Anonymous No.5218311]

>>5218308
Feel*

[Anonymous No.5218319]

>>5218308
The shading/lighting is too straight. Make it curve more. Add more value to the dark part of it too.

[Anonymous No.5218385]

So I know this is a difficult reference, but I'm really confused on how to paint and texture feathers. My only guess would be to sketch out every individual feather then color them one by one, but what about for the small red feathers and the fluff on the neck?

[Anonymous No.5218393]

>>5218239
>porn bot
what are those?

[Anonymous No.5218466]

>>5218319
Thanks

[Anonymous No.5218493]

>>5218385
Use colour to build layers

[Anonymous No.5218520]

>>5215188
fantastic, you can leave beg.

[Anonymous No.5218521]

>>5215544
good talent!

[Anonymous No.5218524]

>>5215705
great talent!

[Anonymous No.5218525]

>>5218385
I would focus on drawing each of the bigger feathers individually. but for the small ones leave impressions like drawing fluff

[Anonymous No.5218527]

>>5215722
leave beg. Be careful on face width and on eyebrow placement, mind the skull.

[Anonymous No.5218530]

>>5216388
leave beg
>>5216651
great redline but overkill effort for someone who was almost there anyway

[Anonymous No.5218531]

[Anonymous No.5218533]

>>5217746
ill red shortly.

[Anonymous No.5218535]

>>5218531
you can give up on art. its not your calling.

[Anonymous No.5218536]

>>5218535
T_T

[Anonymous No.5218542]

>>5218536
your emoji makes me believe you can give up on 4chan as well. I assume you're a gay man or worse. Fags need not apply.

[Anonymous No.5218552]

>>5217746
>>5217750
i kept your accidental downtilt.

[Anonymous No.5218569]

How do you deal with the guilt of drawing digitally?

[Anonymous No.5218571]

>>5218569
doesnt exist, shouldnt exist. youre retarded.

[Anonymous No.5218579]

>>5218569
What?

[Anonymous No.5218581]

>>5218235
Will you finish this and post it?

[Anonymous No.5218585]

new thread >>5218583

new thread >>5218583

new thread >>5218583

[Anonymous No.5218593]

>>5218531
good construction on the shoulder

[Anonymous No.5218598]

>>5218593
new thread >>5218583

new thread >>5218583

new thread >>5218583

[Anonymous No.5218623]

>>5218552
thanks anon, looks great!

>>5218188
Actually yes, sometimes I left my monitor turned and forget to center it again.