Animation General

[Anonymous No.5140318]

Previous Thread: >>5103199
Lazy copy n paste from the previous thread:
>Animation Thread Discord
https://discord.gg/KxKH48h

>51 exercises to try
http://www.animatorisland.com/51-great-animation-exercises-to-master/

>2D Animation Tutorial Youtubers
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqSn708K1qU-nZ74_fvdfRwjLwkBERvsn
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8-UylhAxkcdluQ75pvGkZYbqThFOA7hL
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLnwHSDbcd45J_4lXT0GgPHbm4mlXEtAJX

>Books basic program tutorials, etc.
https://mega.co.nz/#F!3p8CwQZD!DR2mC-kw0TyQQ8Uw3T6JYg

>Reference
http://www.referencereference.com/
https://vimeo.com/groups/aniref
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRvspTjApofA2Yg3i10gTdQ
http://www.rhinohouse.com/

>Ideas for the Animated Short
https://virgam.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/anim-draw-48-ssa-ideas-anim-shorts.pdf

>Play YT videos frame-by-frame
http://rowvid.com/
or just pause the video and use the , and . keys (This doesn't always work but worth a try)

>Kinovea video file frame-by-frame analysis
https://www.kinovea.org/

>Japanese Anime Pipeline (Tutorial, Podcasts, Time Lapse)
https://www.youtube.com/c/StrivingforAnimation/videos

>Sakuga Extended: Add ons to play video on sakugabooru frame-by-frame
https://www.sakugabooru.com/forum/show/964
Mozilla Firefox:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/sakuga-extended/
Chromium based browsers:
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/sakuga-extended/khmnmdaghmhkcbooicndamlhkcmpklmc

>Reference (artbook, settei of actual anime production, color designs):
https://setteidreams.net/settei/
https://setteidreams.net/artbooks/
https://setteidreams.net/color-designs/

[Anonymous No.5141039]

Can anyone share the Toshiyuki Inoue books
Please

[Anonymous No.5142599]

[Anonymous No.5142736]

Can I still use Macromedia Flash MX?

[Anonymous No.5143651]

>>5142736
MX 2004 is abandonware, Adobe gives out licenses for free. It's also suitable for professional animation as well, you'd just have to be really careful with the brush.
here's something animated in MX 2004

[Anonymous No.5143862]

Is TVpaint for android good?

[Anonymous No.5143897]

>>5142736
I'd at least upgrade to Macromedia Flash 8. It's been so long that I can't remember all the details, but it was the last good version that improved on MX and didn't have a ton of useless bloat tools

[Anonymous No.5144175]

The orignal hair was getting more and more on my nerves, so using what techniques/timesaving stuff I've learned so far, redid the keyframes of it. Think it needs a bit more bounce, or do yall think its fine there?

Im a bit more confident doing more detail with less work now, which is a huge plus

[Anonymous No.5144181]

>>5144175
The only thing terrible about this is the tiny vag and dick.

[Anonymous No.5144184]

>>5143651
>adobe gives out licenses for free
what, where?
the only info i can find is some now-private video that misunderstood CS1/CS2 backup license keys, and an update changelog from Adobe.

[Anonymous No.5144185]

>>5144181
are you the same anon from the last thread? lol

[Anonymous No.5144187]

>>5144184
nevermind i found it
https://helpx.adobe.com/dk/x-productkb/policy-pricing/macromedia-legacy-activation-error.html

[Anonymous No.5144205]

>>5144181
>>5144185
There you go dick-complex-anon. I've made the dick and vag exactly 10% bigger. Hope you can coom properly now

(Time to fix up some of the linework that got borked in the process lul)

[Anonymous No.5144558]

Not really sure if this is the right place but I've been trying to emulate the Spectacular Spider Man series, same colours, model, and art style for backgrounds. Just looking for someone to give a fresh set of eyes on this, but I think I did well since everything here is drawn by myself.

[Anonymous No.5144588]

>>5144558
The arc of motion for spiderman is actually pretty good. However, as soon as he detaches from the string you should expect the loose string to continue off to the right under it's own inertia rather than immediately shriveling up.

[Anonymous No.5144615]

>>5144588
That's good advice! I'll be sure to remember that, thank you.

[Anonymous No.5144619]

>>5143862
There's TVPaint for android?? >_>

[Anonymous No.5144991]

Is TVPaint worth paying for?

[Anonymous No.5145009]

>>5143862
>>5144619
didn't even know there was a TVPaint Android version. can't fucking imagine destroying your wrist on such a tiny screen
>>5144991
if you're doing desktop, do go for it. TVPaint is honestly one of the best, only as long as you approach it like a classical animator. You won't find any tools like character rigging or any shit like that. Its basically Photoshop and CSP drawing tools mashed together with the super simple timeline of Adobe Flash. No bullshit layerstacks.

[Anonymous No.5145028]

>>5144184
>what, where?
https://helpx.adobe.com/ca/x-productkb/policy-pricing/macromedia-legacy-activation-error.html
scroll down a bit. A while ago, Adobe shut down their servers for activation because it'd be more expensive to keep them running, so instead they just give out the licenses for free. I saved the Flash MX 2004 serial code in a notepad document, since I don't know if they're gonna shut down this page or not.

[Anonymous No.5145186]

>>5144205
seriously what the hell is that vag

[Anonymous No.5145357]

>>5144175
>>5144205
Want my honest opinion? You're trying to polish a turn. What was it, two months already?

[Anonymous No.5145379]

Started animating Eren vs Warhammer Titan fight today since it was CGI ridden garbage in the actual show, so i decided to give it justice. It's pretty rough at this state but i think it looks all right.

[Anonymous No.5145402]

>>5144205
i think that tail could use work. it doesn't look like its pushing or pulling.

[Anonymous No.5145425]

>>5144205
You are clearly already really good at drawing, but not great at animating. It seems like you are practicing in a way that does a tiny bit of animating, and then a lot of drawing, which would make sense if your goal was to improve you're drawing, but to improve your animating, you should do a lot of animation and a little bit of drawing. Maybe take a break from this one and do some other animation bases, or some flower bags or whatever.

[Anonymous No.5145659]

>>5145357
I'm aware. My goal is to finish it, as it's my very first attempt at animation. I'm spending most of my time learning new little techniques for workflow improvement. The only reason I hadn't completely dropped it at the sketching phase was I had already put a ton of time into it, and sunk cost just kept kicking in, so I decided that instead of dreading dropping it, I would just finish it, polish it to the best of my ability, then learn from the plethora of mistakes I made along the way, which is how my workflow has sorta always gone

>>5145402
Tail isn't meant to be doing either, just wrapping and holding on

>>5145425
Makes sense. My workflow for building the base of this was totally fucked up (I literally made 9 keyframes on 2s then tweened them).

Thanks for all your advice dudes! Has really helped me evaluate a bunch of stuff about my workflow in general

[Anonymous No.5146273]

>>5144205
I tried to explore some thoughts about the tail. It looks like yours is a combination of static & pushing against. This might be my activated autism, but I think it would look better if you focused on portraying its mass and source of force. (base of tail unless it's touching anything else)

[Anonymous No.5146283]

>>5146273
Holy shit, thanks dude. I might actually use your example of "resting against", because it actually has more of a "pulling the dick closer" feel to it. I wonder if, because it's technically like a muscle/tendon, if it would curl more as she applies more force to it

[Anonymous No.5146297]

>>5146273
the whole thing is fucked, he should just drop it honestly. pick up some anatomy studies and animation studies.

[Anonymous No.5146302]

>>5146297
pyw then crab, at least he's trying to work with what's in his current skill level

[Anonymous No.5146316]

>>5146283
No prob bob. I was feeling a bit silly critiquing with my skrub skills, so it's good to kno it's appreciated.

[Anonymous No.5146330]

hello have a pochita doodle
i didn't check yet for animal refs so his walk cycle is all wonky

>>5146316
thanks for sharing this! I'm struggling with a similar movement atm

[Anonymous No.5146335]

what the fuck is friendsinwar, it pops open when i open tvpaint from the mega. did i just inject malware into my pc

[Anonymous No.5146340]

>>5146335
Trojan Horse.

[Anonymous No.5146350]

>>5146335
rip

[Anonymous No.5146413]

I think one thing that was bothering me about the other ones was the way the base of the tail acted rigid, like a fixed antenna or something, rather than pivoting from the base. I tried to correct that a bit with this one.
>>5146330
np. post wip if you want any input.

[Anonymous No.5146951]

>>5144205
Where can I follow you anon?

[Anonymous No.5147071]

>>5146302
yes good for him. hes making a true abomination of what barely resembles an animation

[Anonymous No.5147534]

>>5146951
https://twitter.com/ArtThib_Andrew
>>5147071
Seethe more, it's honestly funny at this point

[Anonymous No.5147645]

>>5146335
he bought in? dump de dolphin porn

[Anonymous No.5147961]

>>5145379
Pretty cool. I would love to see it when it's cleaned up.

[Anonymous No.5148021]

>>5140318
I am 5 years old today

https://motorpen.com/a/11YCF

[Anonymous No.5148115]

First time trying a walk cycle. I got a long way to go before I learn how to animate better but I'm hoping this can take me somewhere eventually.

[Anonymous No.5148127]

>>5148115
What software did you use? It's not well-animated but the cleanup drawings look good.

[Anonymous No.5148130]

>>5148115
gave me a hearty chuckle, but it shows more potential than that coom fag.

[Anonymous No.5148157]

>>5148115
really bizarre movement. you took it all the way to completion with nicely cleaned up drawings and a simple but effective background but the base animation is not good. i mean, its not terrible but you should definitely work more on the rough animation before taking it to completion next time.

[Anonymous No.5148178]

>>5148115
reminded me of this but you are better than that.

[Anonymous No.5148371]

I'm making a gif

[Anonymous No.5148380]

>>5148371
and the sketch of the main key frames

[Anonymous No.5148829]

another loop

[Anonymous No.5148832]

>>5148371
Very cool

[Anonymous No.5148890]

>>5148127
Photoshop, using the timeline feature. It's hell. Also thanks! I try to make my art clean as possible.

[Anonymous No.5148893]

>>5148157
I agree, the animation itself came out too inconsistent and jerky. I did this straight ahead with no planning, so that is something I will have to improve on.

[Anonymous No.5148911]

>>5148380
This looks promising already.

[Anonymous No.5149201]

>>5144991
it's the only piece of software i'd buy
problem is it's so expensive

[Anonymous No.5150666]

>>5144205
why the hand reminds me of south park?

[Anonymous No.5150762]

>>5150666
Is Krita good for animation?

[Anonymous No.5151121]

>>5148829
sole

[Anonymous No.5151124]

>>5150762
I like krita for raster animation.
>>5150666
heh, yeah, they move around but aren't animated.

[Anonymous No.5151171]

>>5144205
her tail looks like it is getting in and out of her asshole.

[Anonymous No.5151210]

>>5151171
I was thinking that eh? Should be more like this, right?

[Anonymous No.5151221]

>>5151171
>>5151210
idk, if her tail is placed as biological tails do, and she's lying down on something, having it pass through the asscrack is the most comfortable option, as anything else she'd be sitting on it

[Anonymous No.5151232]

>>5151221
to help illustrate point, I'd imagine the first 6-12 inches of the tail would be thin bones leading out from the sacrum. The tip would either have no muscle, complex muscles for wide degrees of specific movement, or simple ligaments like our fingers do

This is just me have a lot of anatomy study in school though

[Anonymous No.5151244]

>>5151221
ok fag. good luck portraying rotation around the kok

[Anonymous No.5151251]

>>5151244
No need to be harsh man, was just contributing to the discussion with some biology info

[Anonymous No.5151264]

>>5151251
sry, I just like calling people names on the interwebz sometimes. It's kinda why I come here. Don't take it so srs ok:? Cheer up ok anon!

[Anonymous No.5151287]

>>5151210
i was thinking more like this but if her ass is not on the bed yours will work as well

[Anonymous No.5151290]

>>5151287
Mmm, yeah, that would be better as long as OP can portray it without their balls getting in the way too much.

[Anonymous No.5151371]

Finally got some time to work on it this week, thanks for all the help with the tail! I tried to incorporate a little bit more pulling and curling motion. Hows it lookin tail anons?

[Anonymous No.5151374]

>>5151371
actually looking at it now, I need to adjust the angle it comes off the dick, its a bit sharp

[Anonymous No.5151402]

>>5151374
>>5151371
updated

[Anonymous No.5151404]

>>5151402
this looks so unnatural, like the clenching of the toes has no anticipation

[Anonymous No.5151410]

>>5151404
Man I dont know why I post in this thread, yall are so nitpicky

[Anonymous No.5151430]

>>5151402
I thought it already looked fine. The other smaller details can be considered nitpicky and crabby so don't mind the other anons. I think you should start focusing now on her facial expression and the overall feel of the image

[Anonymous No.5151445]

>>5151410
i mean the entire animation feels unnatural, the toes clenching is just one big one.

[Anonymous No.5151472]

>>5151410
I haven't commented on this yet but at this point you are just polishing a turd and you are going to learn far more by just starting a fresh canvas and animating something completely different and unrelated to get some exercise, then coming back to this topic later. Ideally whatever you pick next should be something that takes you less than 5 minutes a frame.
Everything about this is unnatural or wasn't planned because you are animating straight-ahead or something weird.
I tried tracing out your timing/spacing of the tail tip in >>5151402 , pic related. It doesn't move in a smooth arc on the way left, there are 3 frames right next to each other randomly in the middle of the motion so it just stops there then speeds up, and you have absolutely no ease-in/out at either end so the transitions are extremely abrupt.
Changing tiny details like how it comes out of her ass, or the angle it wraps around the dick in >>5151374 , are all completely missing the point because you are focusing on making individual frames pretty pictures instead of fixing the animation and no matter how anatomically perfect each frame is the motion will still look like shit if you don't plan that as first priority.
>>5150666 is also correct, the hands looks like south park puppets because you are trying to animate something complex (hands) and since those are a pain in the ass to draw 20 times you took a shortcut and just moved around a paper cutout. I totally understand *why* you chose to do this, but it looks like shit.

t. crab

anyway since you have been working on this for a while you obviously have the work ethic to get something done if you start fresh

[Anonymous No.5151498]

more progress

[Anonymous No.5151528]

>>5151472
>>5151445

Thanks for the input yall. I'm just gonna finish it now instead of posting WIPs, because if I read any more of this thread, it will completely kill my motivation to animate at all. If that comes off as salty, meh. I know my first attempt at animation is trash, and I know I'm polishing a turd, but I'm enjoying the process regardless

[Anonymous No.5151533]

>>5151528
>it will completely kill my motivation to animate at all
you would have burned out working on this turd anyways, it was inevitable.

[Anonymous No.5151630]

>>5151410
git gud

[Anonymous No.5151647]

>>5151528
just work on something new

[Anonymous No.5151806]

>>5151528
>posts telling you to please stop working on this if you want to learn anything
>"okay thanks I'm going to keep working on it and won't try anything else until it's finished!"
ok

[Anonymous No.5151880]

>>5151498
I get what you are trying to do. But it doesn't work as you intended to. I think you need to draw the mouths in a spiral shape because they look really flat for that arc to work.

[Anonymous No.5151932]

>>5151528
stop posting several wips itll just attract more crabs

[Anonymous No.5153501]

r8 pls c:

https://twitter.com/wagiewojak/status/1352775659899285506

[Anonymous No.5153801]

>>5153501
read the animator's survival kit, it'll teach you how to do this step by step

[Anonymous No.5153881]

>>5151498
good shit

[Anonymous No.5153914]

[Anonymous No.5154668]

>>5153914
I’m not advanced at animation at all, and this looks relatively smooth, but I think the impacts should be more dynamic. Hitting the ground, the rocks coming up, the punch, the throw, they all feel kind of bland and static, like there’s no umph to it

[Anonymous No.5155437]

>>5145379
Started adding details for Warhammer Titan. Those ribs were painful to animatel.

[Anonymous No.5155546]

>>5155437
Mappa, hire this man.

[Anonymous No.5155692]

>>5155437
No, I don't think Mappa will hire

[Anonymous No.5155719]

>>5155437
Good job anon, but you need to linger a little bit on each important scene. You don't need to introduce a brand new action every second. Feel free to linger on specific movements or stills for 5 or maybe 10 seconds. All anime do this so they can reduce the amount of work they have to do and fill out as much of the runtime as possible. You also don't have to pan the camera so much. You can just cut.

Also a personal thing I think you should add: Eren wants to kill as many people as possible, so don't make him punch a single spot over and over like the anime. He wants as much area damage as possible. Maybe you should include wide swipes or something?

[Anonymous No.5156375]

>>5155546
Thanks man!
>>5155719
Thanks bro, i applied dynamic camera panning because it's more of a tribute animation than a more establish one. I wanted to keep it fast paced as a whole, that is why i did it like this.

As for your swipe idea, i was actually thinking about it. So that was on point.

[Anonymous No.5156434]

anyone play on motorpen lately?

[Anonymous No.5156444]

>>5156434
no, because drawing on my tablet still doesn't work on the site

[Anonymous No.5156453]

https://twitter.com/b_losso_mb/status/1353259198776102912?s=19
I'm a noob, can I ask how he made the ground as if it's 3d plane?

[Anonymous No.5157785]

reposting a cool animation from another thread

>>5156453
i'm an animation noob too, he probably used 3d software for that. maybe he did the keyframes first, timed it out, then animated the floor, then animated the breakdowns and inbetweens?

[Anonymous No.5158816]

>>5157785
thanks. I'm a total noob, do you guys storyboard your animation first before starting?

[Anonymous No.5159093]

>>5153914
did he float before landing? looks like he did some air bending move.

[Anonymous No.5159243]

>>5157785
Pretty cool. Who did this?

[Anonymous No.5160022]

>>5155437
Started adding some details for Eren. I also added some camera shakes for the impacts to make them feel more heavy. Need to add and clean Eren's hair then i will do some cleaning and fx..

[Anonymous No.5160112]

>>5159243
It's from the end credits of the anime Girls' Last Tour, I think it was animated by the author of the manga Tsukumizu (@tkmiz on twitter)

[Anonymous No.5161632]

>>5160022
>when Eren does 100 sit ups, 100 push ups and runs for 10km everyday
Pretty cool shit.

[Anonymous No.5162419]

I've been working in Greasepencil a bit lately, and there's been this issue bugging me alot where small/short strokes don't appear.
It seems like it happens when I start the line on top of, or near, another line. Does anyone know how to fix this at all?

[Anonymous No.5163263]

good days worth

[Anonymous No.5163337]

>>5162419
>YOU ARE MORE LIKELY TO READ A POST BLA BLA BLA
For putting that jpg I'm hiding it immediately faggot

[Anonymous No.5164601]

>>5163337
autism

[Anonymous No.5164949]

doing some cel shading in adobe animate

[Anonymous No.5165511]

here’s a rare attempt at something.

[Anonymous No.5165521]

I know this thread is mostly for traditional frame-by-frame animation, but here's motion graphics/after effects I did
with music: >>>/wsg/3771751

[Anonymous No.5165530]

>>5163263
>>5165511
very nice. needs secondary animation though. have a bit of bounce when the dick pumps them

[Anonymous No.5165537]

>>5165511
die pedo

[Anonymous No.5165686]

https://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/143555
amazing

[Anonymous No.5165773]

>>5165537
based

[Anonymous No.5165944]

>>5165537
>>5165773
>mfw can’t draw a female with flat titties anymore

/ic/ was nice while it lasted.

[Anonymous No.5165953]

>>5165944
>draws a literal lolicon porn
>hur dur /ic/ is shit
kys pedo

[Anonymous No.5165969]

>>5165953
>a literal lolicon porn

You sound like a mewling teenager. Get over yourself, it’s a drawing. Also /ic/ is shit, and that’s because of you! :)

[Anonymous No.5166200]

Here’s the exact same body with bigger tits.

[Anonymous No.5166207]

>>5166200
the problem was everything but the tits

[Anonymous No.5166266]

https://streamable.com/8d3uxg
Revisiting an old animatic, it's funny how quickly you realize certain motions won't translate well in action once you start animating

[Anonymous No.5166298]

>>5166207
basically this

[Anonymous No.5166413]

Is it possible to try and bring procreate animations into adobe animate? I kind of want to do my puppets in the former but use the lip synch of the latter.

[Anonymous No.5166443]

>>5166207
>>5166298
Mods seem to disagree, IRL diddlers.

[Anonymous No.5167137]

>>5160022
Another update. It's almost done and ready to clean up. I also need to do debris fx and dust cloud fx from the impacts and some other small fxs. Could appreciate some feedback before i start cleaning up.

[Anonymous No.5167139]

>>5165521
sound version is 87% improvement. Is there a taboo on posting with sound here? I don't think so. Maybe if we were flooded with this kind of animation I would be annoyed, but actual hand drawn animation gets posted, so I like this.

[Anonymous No.5167141]

>>5161632
Thanks man!

[Anonymous No.5167157]

>>5167137
Man, this is so cool, like genuinely amazing job.

[Anonymous No.5167165]

>>5167157
Thanks man, glad you like it! I try my hardest to get better at it.

[Anonymous No.5167366]

>>5167139
/ic/ doesn't support webms with sound

[Anonymous No.5167464]

>>5165521
really nice. how do people do such clean motion graphics?

[Anonymous No.5167594]

[Anonymous No.5167673]

>>5167464
I don't really know what you mean by "clean" but I'll try
Visually, almost everything is a vector I either drew in Illustrator or Solidworks, so they scale and warp really well without jaggies.
The motion probably feels very crisp because it's at 60fps. However, I originally animated this at 44fps because the song is at 110bpm and this gives me an even 24 frames between beats, which saves me a lot of pain syncing things. Since everything is shape layers and not video content, AE can interp between keyframes at any arbitrary framerate.
The rest of it is trying to follow animation principles. You can scale x and y independently for squash/stretch, or play around with the distort effects. Nearly every motion, rotation, size change, etc, has overshoot then a long settling time to a final position. AE has a graph editor which makes it very easy to see the ease-in/out behavior of any parameter. I usually accelerate out of the first position, hit the overshoot on the accent, then decelerate into the final position. I only do linear motions for bounces between two objects.
Lastly, to make impacts weighty, I usually parent everything in the scene to a null object and animate that so that the floor/scene moves in response to impacts.

[Anonymous No.5168175]

>>5140318
I'm starting to rethink my appreciation for typical action scenes in anime like this where they do a ton of camera moves and close ups in combination with action that is far removed from anything possible in reality.
I think it is actually easier to animate these type of scenes than it is to animate something like an old person carrying some heavy groceries down the street in a wide shot. The more subtle and grounded the animation the harder (and I presume more satisfying) it seems to be.

When I think of good action scenes in movies I think of something more like the hallway scene in Oldboy or primae Jackie Chan where they just hold the shot on tired humans trying to survive. It just feels more honest and engaging rather than these scenes that my eyes seem to glaze over the longer they go on.

I assume this style developed out of the limitations of tv show budgets, like a lot of anime specific quirks, but people seem to see it as high quality animation, or sakuga, now.

Anyway just an observation inspired by reading Miyazaki's Starting Point recently.

[Anonymous No.5168329]

>>5168175
I actually agree with you. The webm in OP's post is a very good example for it. Yeah, the drawings look clean and well drawn but there is no sense of motion for it. The poses look very stiff and they don't really connect well to each other, so the whole shot looks very rigid and stale. These shots are only harder than regular shots when the animator creates a well planned camera movement along with smooth character animation, otherwise they are easier to pull off since you don't have to be careful about the characters being in model.

[Anonymous No.5168556]

>>5168329
>>5168175
I like youses! OP's post is a really good example of high skill at making something look good with low time & effort. Like, how many pictures did they draw? 5? 10? then just move em around at the right tiems? Very good. Very efficient. But, we don't come to this thread because we like bargain bin anim, right? So yeah, well grounded animation is definitely deep and difficult. It takes a lot to reproduce real weight, real effort, and show the personality within that weight and effort. So I can see the appeal in old person groceries, but there's definitely a whole other skill tree in sakuga or whatever, nice smears, explosions, shock waves, sparkly nonsense. It's good and pretty art that takes skill...
I say there's 3 different paths here u think of:
- portraying story elements in visually appealing ways with efficient use of time
- showing realistic weight & emotion
- Razzle Dazzle!
and every animator needs a bit of all of them, but most def is possible to go much further with any one and kinda forget the others. If you go far enuf people won't care you've forgotten the others, but it's better not to forget em complete like I think.
^u^

[Anonymous No.5169500]

>>5165521
Neato

[Anonymous No.5169508]

>>5168175
? this is like fucking obvious lol, is this honestly how brainlets operate? First time using your brain?

[Anonymous No.5169611]

>>5169508
who hurt you

[Anonymous No.5169854]

dont stare at the

[Anonymous No.5170321]

anyone making animation using CSP mobile version (iPad or Android)? Do you think it's possible to make it using tablet like s6 lite or ipad?

[Anonymous No.5171403]

>>5170321
9.7”iPad pro gen 1 user here, it is possible, if I can do animations in this small old model, you can too. I would advise to get a larger and newer iPad though.

[Anonymous No.5171424]

>>5167673
ah I see I see. thanks

[Anonymous No.5171527]

[Anonymous No.5171532]

Just follow him down

[Anonymous No.5171536]

>>5169854

[Anonymous No.5171758]

what do the arcs on top of the charts mean pls help me understand

[Anonymous No.5171882]

what animation software can i use that doesnt cost lots

[Anonymous No.5172618]

>>5166266
Slowly making more progress
>>5171882
Pencil2D
I think Krita has animation functions but I've never tested them
EasyToon if you wanna make Flipnote-esque stuff (I know EasyToon came first)

[Anonymous No.5172634]

>>5171758
Read Animator's Survival Kit, you dumb fucking weeb.

[Anonymous No.5172800]

>>5171758
the order to do the inbetweens in. theyre more to help the following department, when animators clean up their own stuff they usually dont bother with these kind of charts

[Anonymous No.5172876]

How should I pay in-betweeners, like how comic book artist have page rates? What they rate be? Keyframes?

[Anonymous No.5172882]

>>5172876
depends you can do a day wage which is fairer or pay per frame which is more scummy and common in asia

[Anonymous No.5172885]

>>5172882
What would be a suggested fair pricing?

[Anonymous No.5172897]

>>5172885
I don't know $20 per hour seems reasonable to me. so $160 for an 8 hour day. but I'm just pulling these numbers out my ass maybe they will expect more. Just don't take advantage of people at least pay a liveable wage

[Anonymous No.5173082]

>>5172618
I went on the pencil2D site and all the showcase animations were trash

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ma52j9B1kEM

[Anonymous No.5173091]

>>5172634
long ass book

[Anonymous No.5173646]

>>5171882
krita seems fine

[Anonymous No.5173665]

How long does something like this take to animate? Less than 1 hour?

[Anonymous No.5173673]

>>5173665
maybe ten or so minutes?
generally speaking one second of animation = one minute of work

[Anonymous No.5173724]

>>5173673
Holy shit you are full of shit lmao

[Anonymous No.5173754]

>>5173724
As an average it's true. You spend 10 mins on a single frame, then duplicate the frame to fill a bunch of time. Overall you work out around 1 second per minute of work.

[Anonymous No.5173764]

>>5173754
god I wish

[Anonymous No.5173775]

>>5173754
First of all, you said 10 minutes to that other anon for the entire thing, not 10 minutes for each frame. Second of all, you are oversimplifying it because animating isn't a static work since you need to first plan out your sequence then draw your key frames, cleaning, do the inbetweens, color the poses, compositing and maybe some final adjustments and fixes. Third of all, I assume that animation was done by a single person and even if you are a talented animator it would take you more than 4-5 days to do animation alone which includes cleaning and inbetweens. Not to mention you need to keep track of being in model so your animation doesn't look sloppy, and that is why you are full of shit.

[Anonymous No.5173801]

>>5171882
Krita is free, though it lacks automatic tweening if that's something you'd like
There's also OpenToonz (used by Studio Ghibli) if you want something more dedicated

[Anonymous No.5173837]

>>5173775
Yeah that should all only take you about ten minutes I think. If ten seconds of animation took 4-5 days cartoons and anime would not exist. Animators pump out a full 22 minute anime episode EVERY WEEK.

[Anonymous No.5173845]

>>5173837
cartoons exist because of huge fucking pipelines, its an incredibly coordinated process to get to the final picture, not because the animators are using tricks or insanely good... hell most of it is outsourced because its TOO much fucking work.

[Anonymous No.5173903]

>>5173673
lmao sure

[Anonymous No.5173924]

>>5173837
God, you are fucking stupid. They also don't pump out it every week even with shows like One Piece they have a schedule and they do some scenes in advance. You have no idea how animation pipeline works and you are a retard speaking out of your ass.

[Anonymous No.5173930]

>>5173845
Also this. They pass a lot of work to other studios or freelancers, especially with long running anime.

[Anonymous No.5173932]

>>5173837
they work on episodes months and months ahead of time. It all overlaps. I heard somewhere an episode takes up to a year to make sometimes

[Anonymous No.5173951]

>>5173837
Imagine if we were living in a world where that was actually true

[Anonymous No.5173962]

>>5173951
10s * 30 (one day off) = 300s
300 / 60 = 5m
5m * 12 = 60m
60m == 6ep/3ep/2ep/1mov

Technically feasible.

[Anonymous No.5173968]

>>5173962

[Anonymous No.5173972]

>>5173968
Yes that is a good angle for you.

[Anonymous No.5173976]

>>5173972
That is you doing calculations on things you barely understand.

[Anonymous No.5173979]

still wip, 32-frame loop

[Anonymous No.5173988]

>>5173976
10s a day is easy at 24 or 2 / 2 buddy.

[Anonymous No.5173989]

>>5173988
>maybe ten or so minutes?
generally speaking one second of animation = one minute of work

[Anonymous No.5173993]

>>5173989
Are you stupid or just pretending to be retarded?

[Anonymous No.5174000]

>>5173993
You are the one that is being retarded here. First it was 10 minutes, now a day? Stop talking about things you don't understand or know.

[Anonymous No.5174005]

>>5174000
>he thinks he is talking to one person
how long have you been on 4chan for?

[Anonymous No.5174006]

>>5174005
Doesn't matter if you are not him because you are making the same retarded assumption.

[Anonymous No.5174007]

>>5174000
You're an idiot lol.

[Anonymous No.5174011]

>>5174007
>samefagging this bad
pyw

[Anonymous No.5174014]

>>5173979 this is kawaii and ur efforts are well spent
now lets get back on topic, you bafoons,

[Anonymous No.5174033]

>>5173979
so cute

[Anonymous No.5174036]

>>5174007
My IQ is 163. For those of you unfamiliar with IQ, this means I have "genius-level" intelligence. I also have synaesthesia, and absolute pitch. Things as diverse as math, music, and art come naturally to me and I get straight A's without studying much at all. I also am able to understand music at a deeper level than most people. While most people my age spend their free time listening to mainstream music, I spend my free time listening to works such as Beethoven's 9th Symphony, Bach's Toccata and Fugue in D minor, Mozart's Eine Kleine Nacht Musik, Chopin's Nocturne Op. 9 No. 2, and Wagner's Ride of the Valkyries. All this and I'm still in high school. Ask me anything.

[Anonymous No.5174104]

>>5172800
ty king

[Anonymous No.5174867]

I want to make some kind of hilarious internet cartoons, but I can never think of any funny or good ideas. How do I come up with funny ideas for internet animations?

[Anonymous No.5174877]

>>5174867
By looking at other funnies until you get inspired

[Anonymous No.5175638]

>>5174867
The comic toolbox by John Vorhaus is a cool book to get started. I only read like 3 chapters so far but its really good

[Anonymous No.5176334]

hmm overall i like it

[Anonymous No.5176587]

>>5176334
Nice but this is the gayest shit I have seen

[Anonymous No.5176671]

>>5176334
waw cute

[Anonymous No.5176730]

>a 16 year old is this good already
How
https://twitter.com/ichibombu/status/1267821776458756107

[Anonymous No.5176747]

>>5176730
Wow, I'm usually not too impressed with twitter fight scene animations, but that looks slick. All that perspective stuff is really fun

[Anonymous No.5176764]

>>5176730
It's a weird seeing art/animation you think looks amazing, and you assume that they must be veterans in the field or something, then you click on their profile and notice they're 16-20 year olds just making art in their free time.
I don't know how I should feel about it, but it doesn't feel good.

[Anonymous No.5177008]

[Anonymous No.5177043]

>>5177008
nice. So is the third one technically correct than the second or are they both correct with just varying force?

[Anonymous No.5177102]

>>5177008
I found it on manyakis's twitter, I really like the way he animate. I'm wondering if there a way to find more animation process like this to study. It's a simple loop yet it still really demonstrate how The Animator's survival kit is a must to learn from.

[Anonymous No.5177138]

>>5177008
wow yes its animation 101 with easing in and out gj retard

[Anonymous No.5177149]

>>5177138
pyw

[Anonymous No.5177167]

>>5177138
who hurt you maldy pants

[Anonymous No.5177182]

>>5177149
>>5177167
go read the animators survival kit and dont come back until you do.

[Anonymous No.5177193]

>>5177182
Well, that's why I posted this in first place. To encourage more people to read it.

[Anonymous No.5177200]

>>5177182
pyw

[Anonymous No.5177247]

>>5177182
lmao you treat it like it's the only source, be all end all bible of all animation and this is why you're ngmi

[Anonymous No.5177347]

>>5140318
I made a gif. Does it look good?

[Anonymous No.5177378]

>>5176334
Did you make this anon? What show is this based from?
I saw a bunch of similar frames from a different artist on twitter.
https://twitter.com/sinkaedeooo/status/1356288588204318720

[Anonymous No.5177492]

>>5173673
Retard

[Anonymous No.5177593]

>>5177378
Yeah. and it's from Mushoku Tensei

[Anonymous No.5177597]

>>5177347
No

[Anonymous No.5177598]

>>5177597
Well, I will spend more time with keyframes next time.

[Anonymous No.5177781]

>>5176730
>https://twitter.com/ichibombu/status/1267821776458756107
Fucking asian jeans, man.

[Anonymous No.5177785]

That bitch is annoying but he's right. Animator's Survival Kit is required reading.

[Anonymous No.5177824]

>>5177785
He's not, really. It is a good learning material but that doesn't mean you're no longer allowed to learn from other resources outside of animators survival kit.

[Anonymous No.5177842]

>>5177182
not him, but pyw

[Anonymous No.5177844]

>>5177597
pyw

[Anonymous No.5177852]

>>5176730
>>5177781
he's 16? I think he was already in Uni 1 or 2 years ago. I'm from the same country as him (Indonesia)

[Anonymous No.5178915]

>>5177347
I don't understand how this was produced. U can draw, but not animate. Gun shooting looked cool tho.

[Anonymous No.5178928]

>>5177598
Ur problem is not likely keyframes but understanding construction and conservation of momentum ie weight ie 12 principles of animation. Not recommended: more time on keyframes. Recommend: read a book or watch a tutorial. Learn what others know that you dont... or maybe you know stuff already and just went off the rails idk good luck anon

[Anonymous No.5179680]

>>5178915
Clip Studio Paint. Did only once a frame-by-frame gif and never picked up a book on it before.
>>5178928
Yeah, thanks, before that I thought the more frames you make the better movement looks, which was a giant mistake.

[Anonymous No.5180766]

bumpp

[Anonymous No.5181103]

>>5179680
Good happy yes. To further insult your intelligence, when your drawing you can just sprinkle pockets wherever you think they look good but with animation you need them to move consistently with clothes which must in turn move consistently with the person wearing them. I look forward to seeing ur future work.

[Anonymous No.5181985]

>>5172618
And more still
Sound ver: https://streamable.com/itsjlv

[Anonymous No.5182002]

Hey so i made this a couple of hours ago, before you say something this is based on my profile pic/name on youtube which im planning on upload there

[Anonymous No.5182027]

>>5182002
Always the weirdest shit on this board

[Anonymous No.5182050]

>>5182027
I think is funny, it would be weird if i draw regular spider-man transforming into a ball with lots of details

[Anonymous No.5182546]

>>5171882
just pirate flash 8 or better

[Anonymous No.5182547]

>>5173764
was waiting for him to turn around and reveal it's ricardo

[Anonymous No.5183275]

guyse, how do i start in animation? as a hobby, should i first learn to draw static semi decently? i have many books about animation, just dont know where would be wiser to start

[Anonymous No.5183283]

>>5183275
Read the Animator's Survival Kit.

[Anonymous No.5183751]

>>5183275
Practice both things -÷-*in parallel*-÷-.

[Anonymous No.5184120]

>>5183751
okay but what if i can't even manage to practice drawing by itself

[Anonymous No.5184133]

>>5184120
what are you having trouble with?

[Anonymous No.5184138]

>>5183275
>how do i start in animation
study animation duh? go grab media player classic, use the ctrl arrow keys and study the frames, anime tends to be on 2s or 3s or even 4s, 1s depending on motion, more western shit is on 1s because theyre vector/tweened

[Anonymous No.5184160]

>>5184138
What a retarded weeb, holy shit.

[Anonymous No.5184268]

>>5183275
Read the 12 principles of animation and the survival kit. Look up sakugabooru, pic what you like and study them frame by frame

[Anonymous No.5184269]

>>5173665
As a studio animator I animate around 40-75 seconds a week.

But that's using puppets with little drawing.

[Anonymous No.5184272]

>>5184120
what do you mean you can't even manage to practice? unless you either have some physical injury or you have 12 hour shifts at the wagecage factory there is nothing physically preventing you from practicing drawing.
As long as you have a workable understanding of volume/form you can animate floursacks, and even without that you can do stickfigures. As long as you're not trying to do everything straight ahead and you plan your timing/spacing before putting down more than 3 frames then you'll be fine.

>>5184268
I'm not a huge fan of sakugabooru because most of the highly rated stuff on it is just flashy fight scenes.

[Anonymous No.5184281]

>>5184160
? i mentioned western but all you can discern from that is that im a weeb? KYS you stupid fucking faggot.

[Anonymous No.5184293]

>>5184272
>unless you either have some physical injury or you have 12 hour shifts at the wagecage factory there is nothing physically preventing you from practicing drawing.
unfortunately i have worse; a dysfunctional brain

[Anonymous No.5184421]

>>5184269
>40-75 seconds
wow, really? the production with the highest quota i've worked on was 400 frames/wk and even that seemed on the high end

[Anonymous No.5184729]

>>5184293
There are real brain injuries out there, but I bet you mean some meme brain injury, like adhd wich can be managed with medication and or other strategies, or something like "Someone hurt my feelings". Why did you come to this thread to lament not trying?

[Anonymous No.5184797]

Just downloaded watermark related to play with anim on phone. PicsArt animator. Its batter then the other apps I tried (ignore the bloody sticker feature). Any other recommended apps?

[Anonymous No.5184799]

>>5184797
Oh, big dealbreaker I forgot to mention, doesn't support line weight.

[Anonymous No.5184812]

>>5184799
But the timeline and layers are useable, and it doesn't have unbearable video ads.