/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.5122422]

Really, what is so bad about sameface?

[Anonymous No.5122424]

>>5122422
It just reeks of amateur. Like dobson.

[Anonymous No.5122440]

>>5122422
Drawing different faces well and consistently (from panel to panel in a comic, for example) is hard and cool. If you don't do that you're a bit of a hack and your art looks cheap.

Artists that draw faces well: Katsuhiro Otomo, Moebius, etc.

Sameface fags: Just about every amerimutt capeshitter, including the icons such as Jim Lee, etc. The only way to tell characters apart is by looking at their costume.

[Anonymous No.5122446]

>>5122440
These 9 old men that made disney (and it wasn't walt who did it) into the empire it is today. They knew how to make great character designs along with splendid animation.

[Anonymous No.5122465]

>>5122422
sameface is not a problem if the characters have distinct expressions

[Anonymous No.5122496]

>>5122422
It's a way of creating a unique art style but crabs are too dumb to understand.

[Anonymous No.5122508]

>>5122496
>n-no, drawing the same shit over and over again is just my artstyle

[Anonymous No.5122537]

>>5122422
If you're drawing the same things over and over your work becomes boring,that's all.

[Anonymous No.5122541]

>>5122508
Having your own way of drawing things is called your style, which is done by every artist ever. How retarded do you have to be to think this means "drawing the same shit over and over"? Feel free to post your body of work each so distinct they look like they are all drawn by completely different people.

[Anonymous No.5122543]

>>5122465
for you it isn't

[Anonymous No.5122546]

>>5122543
You got a problem? Feel free to kys.

[Anonymous No.5122556]

>>5122546
yes, that's why i don't watch retarded anime

[Anonymous No.5122561]

>>5122556
Fuck off and go back to r*ddit.

[Anonymous No.5122567]

>>5122561
are you saying reddit is the place they don't watch retarded anime? are you high?

[Anonymous No.5122572]

>>5122422
Nothing, it's a brand. Not like retards here would understand mastering appeal and marketing. Oh and liking your art obviously

[Anonymous No.5122573]

>>5122572
No, it's industrialization of art and cheapening

[Anonymous No.5122575]

>>5122572
Kek true

[Anonymous No.5122579]

>>5122573
dis guy's a capitalism pig

[Anonymous No.5122583]

>>5122541
>Having your own way of drawing things is called your style
Having a style is not the same as sameface, retard.

[Anonymous No.5122721]

>>5122567
>yes, I'm a gamer who like DOOM rip and tear and warhammer games, I don't like ""anime""

[Anonymous No.5122733]

>>5122721
never played any of these games, so you might consider stopping projecting

[Anonymous No.5122767]

>>5122440
>Katsuhiro Otomo
>doesn't have sameface
Sure, it's easy as fuck to draw a distinct middle aged dude. Any monkey can do that. But when you need to draw someone young and attractive, especially if it's a female, sameface is unavoidable, unless you literally doing portraits from life.

>>5122446
Every single Disney princess has sameface

>>5122573
It's really about the standards of beauty more than anything else. If you're drawing an idealized face, you can only draw it one way by definition. If you don't care how attractive your character is, then you can go to town.

[Anonymous No.5122772]

>>5122573
>NOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T BE MORE EFFICIENT AND MAKE MORE MONEY WITH YOUR WORK

[Anonymous No.5122774]

>>5122767

[Anonymous No.5122778]

It's just boring and lazy, desu. Artists that can effectively create stylized characters with distinct faces are kino. It makes the characters feel so much more alive and special than if they were all just the same anime/capeshit head copy-pasted with different hair styles and costumes.

[Anonymous No.5122780]

>>5122772
I use sameface, retarded.

[Anonymous No.5122786]

>>5122778
Marcille is nice.

[Anonymous No.5122787]

>>5122721
>weirdly specific, nonsensical strawman
Please curb your autism, anon.

[Anonymous No.5122789]

>>5122787
I was trying to picture a /v/ hipster with shit taste
sorry

[Anonymous No.5122805]

>>5122786
Embarrassing, oversharing autistic confession time: I unironically have a crush on Marcille. Lowkey "i wish my waifu was real" type beat. I've never really felt that about a character before either. I know she's not real but I really wish she was and I kinda hate myself for saying that lmao

[Anonymous No.5122809]

>>5122805
kys or grow up

[Anonymous No.5122818]

>>5122809
Well shit, I guess I'll see you on the other side then anons
ta-ta

[Anonymous No.5122824]

>>5122805
Err, alrighty then, Anon. It's not my place to judge what you like, so do as you wish.

[Anonymous No.5122850]

>>5122767
Otomo doesn't have sameface. That's one of the reasons why his art is so great, his characters are different at the bone structure level. You don't need to look at their clothes or hair to tell them apart, and he doesn't need to make their differences really exaggerated to achieve that. Moebius could do the same thing. The differences are subtle and consistent.

>when you need to draw someone young and attractive, especially if it's a female, sameface is unavoidable
It is unavoidable if you are normal, if you are great it is not. That's why those two are so good. Some artists can draw beautiful women and make their faces different at the same time.

[Anonymous No.5122854]

>>5122767
>If you're drawing an idealized face, you can only draw it one way
if you suck, yeah

[Anonymous No.5122855]

>>5122824
No no, feel free to judge, I know it's retarded. Self awareness is the only thing that keeps me from being a full blown autist with a dakimakura and a shrine rather than a simple, based Marcille enjoyer.

[Anonymous No.5122863]

>>5122422
If you build your brand off being a character designer like RossDraws and show people how to design characters. Its a problem if every girl he designs is just the same girl with different colored clothes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6lPsEPOIkM this video is genuinely funny, hes just giving tips for "design" but its clearly just the same girl 5 times

[Anonymous No.5122876]

>>5122850
>Otomo doesn't have sameface
He doesn't, if you ignore all the instances where he does. I'm not shitting on Otomo, though. He's obviously extremely good.

>>5122854
Post examples of artists that don't suck then.

[Anonymous No.5122888]

>>5122767
>standards of beauty
Are horseshit. Not everyone has the same idea of what a 10/10 is. Past like 7 or 8 it really is up to individual taste. I mean, fuck, I like women that have defined, arched noses, literally the one thing that anime autists are warded off by like garlic to a vampire lmao. I've been completely desensitized to the arbitrary ideals of beauty that are hyper-optimized to appeal to the broadest range of people possible, they're bland and uninspired as fuck.

[Anonymous No.5122892]

>>5122876
>He doesn't, if you ignore all the instances where he does.
He's not going to think up an anatomy for every character no matter how unimportant they are, obviously. But considering how great he is with the faces of his characters, saying that he has a sameface problem is bs.

>Post examples of artists that don't suck then.
pic related

[Anonymous No.5122897]

>>5122537
That doesn't apply to coomer artist, which asanagi is

[Anonymous No.5122904]

>>5122892
>pic related
?????

[Anonymous No.5122910]

>>5122904
you're telling me those faces look the same to you? are you retarded?

[Anonymous No.5122934]

>>5122422
It's no fun. Neither is samebody, which most people overlook.
Then there's the other extreme, in which the same character looks completely different from one expression/angle to the next.
Pic is a quickdraw of the many characters in Love and Rockets (the Jaime Hernandez half). Not only do they look distinct, they also age as the series goes.

[Anonymous No.5122953]

>>5122934

[Anonymous No.5123001]

>>5122953
There are smaller distinctions not shown here, since it's a quickdraw. Also, characters like La Chota and Banchini only exist for about four panels. Early in the series (1981), though, they mostly look the same, with different hair styles, heights and body shapes.

[Anonymous No.5123004]

>>5122805
there are real women out there who are just like marcille anon and probably look like her too. dont lose hope

[Anonymous No.5123007]

>>5122855
Okay, I will judge you in silence, Marcille Loving Anon.

[Anonymous No.5123032]

>>5122904
Imagine how retarded you need to be to think :
not having sameface = not knowing proportions
Look at your fucking redline, you highlighted 2 different nose shapes while thinking it was the same i fucking can't

[Anonymous No.5123077]

>>5123032
Obviously, you don't know how to draw from imagination and never tried to learn to draw the same character consistently many times from different angles.

[Anonymous No.5123083]

>>5123077
Go read the comment chain again

[Anonymous No.5123088]

>>5123083
How about you go fuck yourself before you tell me what to do? Every single infant knows that no artist is 100% pixel-perfect consistent. Nobody looks for extremely minor variations in shapes and says, this is a different face, especially when they are drawn from different angles. What you look for is proportions and major forms. Post the same female character by Moebius three different times and you will literally get the same result as in your image.

[Anonymous No.5123094]

>>5123088
Go read that again

[Anonymous No.5123099]

>>5123094
How about I don't and you just explain what you want to say? I'm willing to listen.

[Anonymous No.5123103]

It's basically "where are her organs"/mendrawingwomen tier insult mainly pushed by eternal begs who can't into style. Everybody I've seen use the term draws like that loss comic, and they're almost always unevenly applying the criticism to anime while ignoring it in their favorites. Anecdotal but still something I've noticed.

It isn't even technically untrue, some artists could stand to diversify their faces but in the end it's never really the main issue. The issue usually is that the artist can't or won't draw expressive faces responding to a variety of situations. You can use essentially the same proportions over and over and as long as the attitude changes it'll feel different. Which is what anime and all stylized or idealized art at its best does, check out Asobasi Asobase for an extreme example.

[Anonymous No.5123106]

>>5123088
>its not possible for a comic artist to draw clearly different and recognizable beautiful faces!! reeeeeee
and yet, Moebius does it!

[Anonymous No.5123113]

>>5123106
Post an image of any of those female characters you posted earlier drawn from 3/4 angle three different times. If it's a consistent as you say, I will believe you and apologize

[Anonymous No.5123116]

>>5122422
if you want to change clothes, hairstyle or some distinct features that are not "body related", you will lose the character
nobody will be able to tell its the same one if you dont state it

[Anonymous No.5123122]

>>5122422
its symbol drawing

[Anonymous No.5123124]

>>5123113
Fuck off, do your own research. All I know is that you can recognize his characters very easily even when they are good looking people, which doesn't happen with most artists unless they give them distinct things (hair, clothes, colors etc.)

[Anonymous No.5123148]

>>5123124
So, can you recognize the difference between Kaneda and Kei only via their faces? BTW, Kei is not some minor character, she's literally the female lead of the story. The only difference between her and Kaneda is that she has eyelashes, but Otomu only draws them at closeup.

[Anonymous No.5123179]

>>5123148
Yeah, eyes are different. The art started to dip in the later volumes, probably because Otomo was also working on movie-related shit.

[Anonymous No.5123195]

>>5122508
When you break it down enough, this is really what a "style" is.

[Anonymous No.5123222]

>>5123148
>an you recognize the difference between Kaneda and Kei only via their faces
yes

[Anonymous No.5123230]

>>5123179
>>5123222
Let's play. Kaneda or Kei?
1)...
2)...
3)...
4)...
5)...
6)...

[Anonymous No.5123237]

>>5123230
1 key
2 kaneda
3 key
4 dunno, too small/far
5 key
6 kaneda

[Anonymous No.5123240]

>>5123237
Thanks. I wait in case another anon wants to try, and post answers with page numbers a bit later.

[Anonymous No.5123278]

>>5123230
2 and 6 are kaneda, the rest is kei

[Anonymous No.5123303]

>>5123278
>>5123230
Thanks, anons. The real answer is, they all Kei, except the final one. Pic related are page numbers. They are all from volume 1, specifically because anon said earlier that the art got worse in later volumes.

Personally, when reading Akira for the first time (way before I watched the movie), the fact that Kaneda, Kei, and several other character, including Akira himself, had near identical faces and hairstyles was a sense of endless frustration for me, because half of the time I couldn't understand who the character was.

[Anonymous No.5123305]

>>5123303
damn, 2 is kei? alright, you got me there. I personally never had confusion when reading the manga though

[Anonymous No.5123306]

Inoue takahiku is great at avoiding samefaces

[Anonymous No.5123312]

>>5123306
I had this one in mind too besides Moebius and Otomo. Vagabond is great.

[Anonymous No.5123324]

>>5123303
I never had a problem distinguishing characters. Akira himself has totally different eyes, so I don't understand the confusion there.
>>5123306
>>5123312
Faces and fabrics are his greatest strength. He draws a great sword as well.

[Anonymous No.5123366]

>>5122422
You're not a hack if you have sameface, if you're successful despite your sameface then it just goes to show that that face must be appealing, or the rest of the art is good enough to make up for it.
Drawing varied faces consistently is very difficult. Much more difficult than you'd think. It doesn't exactly get much easier the longer you draw either, since unless you specifically study drawing a lot of different faces you're going to wind up just drawing features that are attractive for the obvious reason, resulting in a lesser variety in faces. Basically it's a problem that doesn't naturally get ironed out by your normal art path, it's something you need to go out of your way to practice to avoid the problem. And it doesn't necessarily pay off. People only give a shit if you're really popular and the sameface is super noticeable (like, for example, Takeuchi). So it's pretty much a problem only when it isn't actually going to hurt you.

[Anonymous No.5124643]

It's based.

[Anonymous No.5124788]

>>5122422
I guess it depends on the context. In porn/doujins/pinups I don't mind it, but in something like a manga I think it's shit. Like, if characters are supposed to be different, then draw their faces different too

[Anonymous No.5124789]

>>5122786
true dat

[Anonymous No.5124791]

>>5122850
and the pic you posted has 2 near identical faces where the only difference is the eyes. bruh

[Anonymous No.5124802]

>>5124791
are you serious

[Anonymous No.5124877]

>>5122422
lazy

[Anonymous No.5124980]

>>5122855
there's absolutely nothing based about you.

[Anonymous No.5125536]

>>5122422
what is so bad about being original? you realize that we, humans can recognize shiton of different faces?

[Anonymous No.5125613]

>>5122556
> Anime is so retarded, all the characters look the same
Proceeds to read Loomis for 2h then watch CalArts shit

[Anonymous No.5125624]

>>5123032
>Imagine thinking all humans have the exact same facial proportions

[Anonymous No.5125626]

>>5125613
Loomis yes, fuck CalArts