Who was the most talented draughtsman in history? Moebius? Dürer?

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Anonymous Sun Dec 13 17:52:20 2020 No.5061796 [Reply] [Original]

Who was the most talented draughtsman in history? Moebius? Dürer?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 17:53:19 2020 No.5061801 >>5061796 >Moebius? Dürer? why are these my options

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 17:54:10 2020 No.5061802 >>5061801 They’re suggestions you moron

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 17:54:35 2020 No.5061804 >>5061802 Who was the most talented musician in history? Mozart? Imagine Dragons?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 17:55:15 2020 No.5061806 >>5061804 Imagine Dragons Mozart hasnt made music in fucking centuries

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 18:05:55 2020 No.5061825 >>5061804 If you downplay Moebius’ draftsmanship just because he drew comics you’re ngmi. He was one of the most talented draftsman of the 20th century.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 18:06:04 2020 No.5061826 >>5061796 In art, Hans Holbein maybe.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 18:09:38 2020 No.5061833 >>5061826 The younger? If so I also vote for him.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 18:18:24 2020 No.5061848 File: 453 KB, 410x459, 1602986212764.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Who else?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 18:20:14 2020 No.5061853 >>5061826 Nice https://www.wikiart.org/en/hans-holbein-the-younger

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 19:38:25 2020 No.5062004 >>5061825 I'm better (No, I won't pmw, I'm too well known to do myself on 4chan)

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 19:41:42 2020 No.5062008 >>5062004 >I'm too well known to do myself on 4chan you also have to be 18 to post here

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 19:52:43 2020 No.5062018 >>5062004 this reeks of Bryan. I hope it isn't you but my gut tells me otherwise.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 20:00:01 2020 No.5062029 >>5062004 Pfthahahaha

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 20:46:24 2020 No.5062123 >>5062004 To be fair being better than Moebius isn't a high bar. He was good at architecture, bland at humans. Shit I'm probably better than both of you and I'm not known at all. No I won't post work just to make you all seethe harder.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 20:48:33 2020 No.5062128 >>5062123 7/10

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 20:49:16 2020 No.5062130 File: 101 KB, 1000x700, YIKE.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] @5062123 You wont get any (You)s if you just rephrase and repost the same exact b8 as the other guy. Apply yourself.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 20:53:54 2020 No.5062138 >>5062004 >>5062123 I'm better than both of (You) niggas, can't pmw bc I'm sitting at my wage cage on break (fuck my family for not being rich), bet I'm younger and fresher than you fools too

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 20:59:00 2020 No.5062154 >>5062123 I’m not going to post my work, but I would just like to say I am better and more famous than moebius, that other guy, you, and the fourth guy below your post that also said he’s better than you

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 21:01:25 2020 No.5062163 File: 24 KB, 259x255, 1589988471505[1].png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5061796 >Who was the most talented draughtsman in history? Me. If anybody tells you different, they're lying.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 21:06:00 2020 No.5062175 >>5061825 Why would anyone use comics as an excuse to downplay draftsmanship? Comics rely very heavily on draftsmanship.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 21:19:00 2020 No.5062208

>>5062175
Fine art types tend to denigrate comic art (and pretty much all commercial art) and view it as inferior. There's still a negative stigma associated with comics but attitudes are slowly changing and museums are warming up to them. I think Araki and some other comic artists were exhibited at the Louvre and there was a US centric exhibit a few years ago as well. Still, you wont find the name of any comic artist in most art history books and they're not often given a fair shake when it comes to their drawing chops.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 21:21:16 2020 No.5062213 i'm such a sucker for mucha and norman rockwell they had beastly talent, i'm not sure if they're the most skillful but they're among the more talented imo

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 22:49:14 2020 No.5062321 >>5062018 I will not be baited into revealing my name

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 22:52:03 2020 No.5062326 >>5062321 it's ok James, we don't care

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 22:52:54 2020 No.5062329 >>5062326 Even if you guessed it i wouldn't affirm

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 14 01:09:58 2020 No.5062547 >>5062213 whats the difference between skill and talent?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 14 11:13:31 2020 No.5063264 >>5062547 UGH HERE WE GO BOYS

Anonymous Mon Dec 14 11:26:31 2020 No.5063283

>>5062547
I'll field this one guys
The difference is that skill actually exists whereas the concept of talent was made up as
A: an excuse for artists that refuse to put in effort and choose not to devote their time and mind to improving so they can say that its not their fault they suck; and
B: as a way for good artists to feel intrinsically superior to other people (usually professionals in more relevant fields) even though anyone could do what they do just as well as them if they chose to
Basically the myth of talent is just a way for fatalistic insects to justify their lives without recognizing that people have the ability to be skilled at pretty much anything if they choose to

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 14 11:32:15 2020 No.5063289 >>5062547 Daily reminder not to speak with the talent schizo and hide all his posts

Anonymous Tue Dec 15 06:20:19 2020 No.5065263

>>5063283
working hard doesn't mean you will make good art. You can work on your fundies and get good skill wise but your art can still suck. Some people are born with better taste and no amount of skill will change that, it's like your personality. It's so fucking stupid to think there's no such thing as talent. do you think the guy that enjoys drawing my little pony gay porn is ever going to be deemed talented in the general public eye? no he's an example of how we're all different, we're not the same, and talent exists fucking retard.

And no I don't use talent as an excuse retard, I draw all the time and I love it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 06:48:04 2020 No.5065302 File: 1.04 MB, 726x974, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5061796 Morooster, obviously.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 06:52:25 2020 No.5065308 >>5065263 >born with taste in art my god. pure ideology

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 07:04:13 2020 No.5065334 File: 4.00 MB, 2000x2497, 3277aa978ac970d7c6e7427792d1b7dc.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Dore

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 07:04:47 2020 No.5065336 File: 752 KB, 1280x1610, dore-quixote.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5065334

Anonymous Tue Dec 15 08:51:45 2020 No.5065533

>>5065263
i mostly agree but will also say that taste can be developed but one has to have the personality that makes him strive for it in the first place, and we have little power to choose our own personality. it is a cruel paradox. i think of taste like you say as personality, being made by upbringing, circumstances, early exposure to good art, encounters, what we read. even our own outward appearance influences the way others treat us which influences our ways of thinking of ourselves and the world. therefore it is often said to be innate outside of skill because the factors that shape it are part of ordinary life that have accumulated from before we ever had the desire to create art, the forces of which are not to be easily challenged. it seems more miraculous for he who habitually draws mlp porn to repent himself to art that is chaste than someone of an already appropriate habit.

we often think of skill as something purely attained through one's own ability, but it requires luck to access resources to learn from. someone who has access to live models may improve more than someone who studies just as hard. connection with others who share similar goals makes learning more expedient. etc.

some will say talent is the rate of improvement. surely he with a natural intellect fit for learning see relationships between things without difficulty. some relate it with taste because both alike are recognized as above mere craft. what shall we say besides that one may improve quickly but still create bland works in the end? there's also the matter that some try to develop taste in art (sovl), and it may be more difficult than learning to draw but the process evades explanation. i have no exact answers or if even contemplation on the subject generally helps or is useless. yet i will say that emulation of great art is something anyone can do that is at least better than drawing mlp porn. but then how do we recognize what art is great and why do it if your goal is coom?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 08:54:30 2020 No.5065540 >>5061825 >He was one of the most talented draftsman of the 20th century. Holy shit fucking neck yourself.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 08:58:02 2020 No.5065550 >30 comments in and no one has mentioned Michelangelo or Ingres >Moebius and Rockwell have been put forward as contenders Thanks for reminding me why I never come here.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 09:01:52 2020 No.5065556 I like Giraud, but I have to agree he’s overrated i the sense that he’s not even the best comic artist of his time, let alone draughtsman.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 09:02:56 2020 No.5065559 >>5065550 How the fuck is Michelangelo even a contender?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 09:13:57 2020 No.5065579 File: 196 KB, 645x918, 12.-Michelangelo_Il-Sogno-The-Dream_Courtauld-Gallery_London-645x918.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5065559 What do you even want me to say to that?

Anonymous Tue Dec 15 09:18:53 2020 No.5065590
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>>5061833
Nice gets, yes I meant the Younger.
>>5061853
Indeed, his work in London always amazes me with how far above his contemporaries he was in so many aspects of his art. And his drawings in the Royal collection are legendary for their restraint.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 09:21:18 2020 No.5065597 File: 277 KB, 1000x1483, GD.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5065334 This is another very good contender. His oil works are amazing too.

Anonymous Tue Dec 15 09:25:23 2020 No.5065602

>>5065579
A draughstman is a person who makes very technical drawings, I would not call that technical with the projected pedestal and loose figures with michelangelo’s made up egg anatomy.
I could be wrong, but I’d think leonardo would be the better candidate, and even then neither are anywhere close to modern draughtsmen.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 09:26:39 2020 No.5065605 File: 140 KB, 396x500, Ingres500.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] And how about Ingres, doing Leo?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 09:51:45 2020 No.5065640 >>5061848 lol no

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 09:55:17 2020 No.5065649 Gustave Doré

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 10:03:07 2020 No.5065660 >>5065336 How the FUCK do you make those lines!

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 10:07:19 2020 No.5065668 loomis, obviously

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 10:54:40 2020 No.5065749 >>5065602 >A draughstman is a person who makes very technical drawings Jesus Christ why am I even talking to you?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 10:57:51 2020 No.5065752 >>5065749 what's wrong anon, can't into technical drawings? are you not technical enough? not enough technique!? ITS ALL ABOUT FUNDAMENTAL TECHNIQUES ANON!!!!!! TECHNICAL TECHNIQUES AND SKILL AND TALENT ANON!?!?!?!

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 10:59:36 2020 No.5065753 >>5065749 >>5065752 https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/draughtsman What is wrong with you niggers?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 11:00:17 2020 No.5065756 >>5065602 >A draughstman is a person who makes very technical drawings the mind of a guy who was too stupid to do STEM so he figured he'd become an artist

Anonymous Tue Dec 15 11:05:09 2020 No.5065769
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>>5065753
>it says "draws machines" in the definition
>must mean "technical" means "technology"
>"technical" drawings must therefore be drawings of robots from Japan
is this your logic pattern?
for a drawing to be "technical" it has to be about "technology"?
So a drawing of a tree or a human body cannot be "technical" unless it's drawn in a really robotic way?
Have you considered maybe the "tech" in "technical" has more to do with "technique" than "technology"?
I know that everyone on this board is 16 and just likes robots but surely there's hope for at least one of you right?

Anonymous Tue Dec 15 11:11:02 2020 No.5065779
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>>5065769
this drawing is technical, it relies on specific techniques and internal rules in the outlines, forms, texture, and likeness.
"Technical" isn't just drawings of Gundams... this is was supposed to be an art board, you guys are so childish

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 11:13:18 2020 No.5065781 >>5065769 what the fuck a you saying, retard? Literally who are you quoting? I literally cited technical elements of the drawing in response to michelangelo, why the fuck are you talking about gundams

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 11:17:03 2020 No.5065785 >>5065779 That is not a technical drawing in any sense of the word.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 11:20:37 2020 No.5065791 >>5065781 >>5065785 ok retard

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 11:23:10 2020 No.5065794 >>5065791 imbecile

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 11:23:16 2020 No.5065795 >>5065781 Wait I'm confused, are you saying the Michelangelo drawing is technical or isn't?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 11:25:21 2020 No.5065798 File: 433 KB, 914x1280, 1573527354037.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Whoever made picrel

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 11:27:58 2020 No.5065805 >>5065798 this is just a "who can draw the most and smallest lines" contest for you morons.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 11:29:15 2020 No.5065811 >>5065805 Sure is, pay no attention to the quality of the forms and light displayed there, also who cares about the regularity of the traits, its just scribbles lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 11:29:24 2020 No.5065812 >>5065798 the name of the artist is right there

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 11:29:44 2020 No.5065815 >>5065779 so everything qualifies as technical drawing Gotcha

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 11:31:01 2020 No.5065819 >>5065812 Moebius?

Anonymous Tue Dec 15 11:32:10 2020 No.5065822

>>5065811
>quality of the forms and light displayed there
yeah, low amounts of both... Very basic value range, directional hatched lines that amount to nothing more than an effect, form is nonexistent in parts, ground hatching practically meme-tier.

Is this the power of illustration?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 11:32:36 2020 No.5065826 >>5061796 Katsuya no discuss.

Anonymous Tue Dec 15 12:00:30 2020 No.5065911
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Just to leave a mark on the thread and shut up the philistines mentioning Rockwell and Moebius, I'll post a few Ingres drawings. I'd fucking love to see the retard arguing Michelangelo wasn't technical having a go at these.

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>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 12:04:52 2020 No.5065930 File: 467 KB, 2659x3200, 2013_NYR_02675_0085_000(jean-auguste-dominique_ingres_comtesse_charles_dagoult_nee_marie_dagou105011).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

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>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 12:06:54 2020 No.5065944 >>5061848 Draftsmanship implies you need to draft something

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 12:07:37 2020 No.5065946 File: 142 KB, 757x985, 1345828426912.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

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>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 12:10:26 2020 No.5065958 File: 2.77 MB, 4104x3000, 2_520b6a.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 12:11:44 2020 No.5065960 File: 70 KB, 792x520, E7EEDF21-D97E-41D8-AA5D-98C56E0A3943.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5065911 >unironically calling people philistines

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 12:17:32 2020 No.5065976 File: 1.63 MB, 1997x2835, 2009_PAR_01209_0079_000(045308).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 12:18:18 2020 No.5065978 File: 110 KB, 565x829, A4AFD62C-CB81-4057-AB1F-72182C11B53A.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5065812 Norman lindsay

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 12:48:42 2020 No.5066053 >>5065911 Hey, I already posted an Ingres drawing. Hmpffffffff

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 12:52:46 2020 No.5066064 no soul detected in this thread, curious

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 12:55:14 2020 No.5066068 >>5066064 post some soul then pal

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 12:57:11 2020 No.5066074 File: 41 KB, 422x600, gustav-klimt.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Klimt? Drew every day, left over 4,000 drawings. Let cats play with & destroy them, there were so many.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 13:00:26 2020 No.5066080 >>5066064 >van Gogh >no soul Looking forward to your suggestions.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 13:03:30 2020 No.5066088 >>5066080 van dogshit

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 13:19:39 2020 No.5066121 >>5066080 Van Gogh was terrible at drawing. FFS we're trying to find candidates for best, not the biggest failed simper. Waiting for you to suggest Gauguin next...

Anonymous Tue Dec 15 14:03:07 2020 No.5066214
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>>5065958
>ingres
He would be relevant if we were still in the 1900s anon. If you look beyond the flaccid drawing and facile subject matter you can see that his lines are nothing special. Mentioning him is laughable. Look at the lines of someone like Cy Twombly. You can see the energy and feel the inertia. Each individual line tells a story of its' own and yet the meaning of the whole is not lost. I would encourage you to explore and discover more sophisticated artists. Hopefully you will grow out of Ingres.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 14:04:45 2020 No.5066220 >>5066121 inb4 you never realize gauguin was already posted in this thread

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 14:09:31 2020 No.5066235 >>5066214 Already know Twombly. I doubt you could name an artist I'm not acquainted with.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 14:15:00 2020 No.5066248 >>5061796 He made this when he was 13

Anonymous Tue Dec 15 14:21:34 2020 No.5066265

>>5066235
It doesn't matter if you claim to know him after I posted him. The fact that you think he was some obscure artist that you weren't supposed to know says it all. Everyone knows him, that's beside the point. The point is that your taste in antiquated. You already posted Ingres. No amount of posturing after the fact can change that. I encourage you to branch out.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 14:23:32 2020 No.5066270 branch out to coom art you fossil

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 14:26:52 2020 No.5066274 >>5065550 >muh fine arts Lol fuck off back to the 1950s retard

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 14:30:45 2020 No.5066284 >>5066220 Didn't look at everything. Now I know for sure there's a crab trying to ruin the quality level of the work discussed.

Anonymous Tue Dec 15 14:31:22 2020 No.5066285
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>>5066265
You're trying to bait me, but fair enough, I can't prove anything over 4chan. All I can say is if you wanted to make the best case for Hoffmanesque expressionism, you'd have done better posting de Kooning.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 14:32:52 2020 No.5066288 >>5066214 Effing L-O-L

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 14:33:37 2020 No.5066289 >>5066285 >comparing de Kooning to Twombly lol why am I even talking to you? I rest my case.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 14:50:00 2020 No.5066321 >>5066289 Lived in New York at the same time, both worked at Black Mountain College, Twombly explicitly copied techniques from de Kooning like drawing with his wrong hand... but sure why compare them?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 14:52:44 2020 No.5066327 >>5066321 >>5066289 They are both dogshit

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 14:56:50 2020 No.5066333 >>5066321 Such surface level observations. You can link any two people on the planet together like that. Here is Twombly and Turing. Both male. Both cryptologists. Both worked for the army. And so on. Are you b8ing me anon?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 04:26:23 2020 No.5067554 >>5066274 not even about being fine arts. just being actual art in the first place.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 10:44:48 2020 No.5067977 >>5066333 If you wanted to compare their military accomplishments that would be a fine justification.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 11:23:02 2020 No.5068013 >>5061848 unironically this

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 11:38:15 2020 No.5068031 is this the pseud thread

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 20:28:36 2020 No.5068805 Whats a draftsman

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 17 00:33:05 2020 No.5069262 >>5065556 >he’s not even the best comic artist of his time, I think he is. Who else was as good?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 17 01:23:49 2020 No.5069352 >>5069262 He's very slow, but Brian Bolland showed incredible technique in his prime.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 17 08:53:16 2020 No.5069905 >>5069262 Gimenez > Giraud

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 17 12:11:03 2020 No.5070325 >>5065660 Autism.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 17 12:20:07 2020 No.5070341 >>5065660 It's an etching. It's drawn using a needle.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 17 15:22:58 2020 No.5070607 File: 787 KB, 808x805, 1604239985706.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5066248 >13

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 17 15:42:07 2020 No.5070652 File: 422 KB, 1636x2200, -1x-1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5061796 I think we can all admit that the Old Masters are kind of a meme, but Michelangelo actually lived up to the hype.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 17 15:50:20 2020 No.5070675 >>5066074 Why would cats do that? Is it the same reason cats will eat their dead owner sooner and faster than other pets?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 17 16:17:20 2020 No.5070730 >>5070652 He wasn't called the divine one (much to Leonardo's seething and frothing mouth) for nothing.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 17 16:30:56 2020 No.5070747 >>5061796 Legoman

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 17 20:23:26 2020 No.5071092 >>5065753 that is draughtsman as a profession, but in general use, draughtsman is someone who draws. people describe an artist as a draughtsman when they want to emphasize his drawings rather than his paintings. drawer is also correct but awkward.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 17 20:37:24 2020 No.5071118 >>5071092 >I'm an artist BOOOO >I'm a drawer booooooo blegh >I'm a draftman mmmhh.... >I'm a professional Illustrator. Hell yeah anon, please bang our daughter desu.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 18 23:45:22 2020 No.5073173 >>5070730 leonardo was certainly described as divine

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 18 23:46:33 2020 No.5073175 Sakimi-chan

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 18 23:52:21 2020 No.5073181 >>5062004 >>5062123 >>5062138 Im better than the three of you. No, I won't pmw because I'm too famous, and rich, and I'm being blown by 2 supermodels

Anonymous Sat Dec 19 02:00:03 2020 No.5073329
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>>5061826
>Holbein the Younger
>>5065334
>Dore
>>5065911
>Ingres
>>5070652
>Michelangelo
Nice.
>>5069352
>>5069905
They're both great but they weren't completely on his level. Gimenez was god-tier at spacefaring adventures; he's me go-to for that sort of thing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 19 05:58:15 2020 No.5073579 >>5070652 >we

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 19 09:35:52 2020 No.5073833 >>5065660 Wood cut. Franklin Booth is the guy you're thinking of

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