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Since I haven't seen a thread like this, I decided to start my own. When you hear a certain name of an art program (i.e Paint Tool Sai, Photoshop, Krita CSP) what do you think of them? are certain programs better than others? Does an art program being expensive make it better than another, or can a free one be just as good?

>> No.5013759

a) Pirate everything
b) Find out that PS is the best for realistic painting, CSP is the best for lineart and SAI is the best for rei17 style blending
c) The end

>> No.5013773

Krita is unusable for me. Think it's a bug with my wacom hotkeys but i'm too lazy to fix.

I have CSP and PS. CSP definitely feels more optimized for drawing. But photoshop just feels better to me. Really can't explain why.

>Find out that PS is the best for realistic painting
Realistic painting or realistic rendering?

The best realistic painting program is probably corel painter.

>> No.5014457

When I hear "Gimp" I think about how wild it is how respected that project is when it still doesn't have very basic vector shape tools. I get that it's a raster editor, but Photoshop has had basic vector tools forever.

Being expensive doesn't make a product better, and free products can be very good, but having a company with a bunch of money behind a piece of software does mean more paid development behind it.

>> No.5014535

Sais better than CSP for lineart simply since its not as bloated.
And Krita is better than Photoshop for realistic painting. PS has great brushes, but Krita has the same but more options and far better UI/customization.

>> No.5014567

The best realistic painting is photoshop.
Corel painter is best for TEXTURE.

>> No.5014632

Why is krita lagging so bad,specialy with bigger brushes ,Is it my pc's fault ?

>> No.5014652

>SAI is the best for rei17 style blending

You can do rei17 blending with any program. In most of her art she uses the sai version of hard round brush. To make that brush in any program just pick a hard round brush and enable flow or density pen pressure and keep opacity disabled.

>But photoshop just feels better to me. Really can't explain why.

It's probably because it's runs smoother than CSP. PS handles higher res canvases and large brushes better. But CSP has better tools specifically for drawing. It's like CSP feels specifically built for the artist in mind

Are you using a mac? It's known to be shit on mac

>> No.5014682

Free software fags are unironically cultists. If you go over to /g/ and ask if GIMP or PS is better, they will say GIMP every time, and if you start pointing out objective features and improvements that PS has, then they'll just start saying "nobody uses that, doesn't matter" or "who cares" for your every point and call it a win. Shit is honestly insane.

>> No.5014694

because Adobe shit is way, way overpriced.

>> No.5014699

>cracked flawlessly so fast that the crack is out before you know the update is out
You don't even know the definition of overpriced. Honestly, the only places where the freeshit is actually far better than the paid shit is in epub/mobi readers, fractal makers and Blender.

>> No.5014702

I'm a legit zoomer with low attention span and I barely managed to get a grasp on photoshop in 9 months. Fuck other programs, if it fits, it sits for me.

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is there a decent painting program in linux besides krita?

>> No.5014735

My favorite for animu, light and responsive but lacking for textured work. Maybe based programmer can improve it for version 2.

>> No.5014740

Sai sucks for textured shit thats for sure, the only viable way is by downloading bunch of textures and then bashing that shit on the canvas.

>> No.5014756

Pretty much all the 2D art programs are thankfully interchangeable so you can use all and any plus they'll basically all have the same interface and shortcuts and even the name of the blending modes and filters etc are the same as PS. So once you know one program they're alllll the same. But I do think it says a lot that the only time I open up GIMP is for the colour to alpha that PS doesn't have and that I very occasionally do lineart in MS Paint, SAI or CSP and bring that over to PS because PS does literally everything else.

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why does krita keeps removing brushes from my tags and I get duplicated brushes when I start the program?
I thought this program was v4.0 not v0.4-alpha-git

>> No.5014845

They haven't fixed the tag bugs for years

>> No.5014851

Nah, bloat won't affect lineart performance wise to begin with since you won't be using a heavy brush. And using line tools over brush is faster because you won't need to undo lines, while still getting thickness variation.
Krita has the bigger bloat though and now you happen to ignore it when comparing to PS lol

>> No.5014861

yeah the brushes are full of garbage bugs
I don't understand what the fuck they're doing with this million characters name duplication shit
and setting up a set of the same few settings is a fucking pain in the ass, the tablet curves interface is garbage, you can't even save favorites
but I've been able to do what I wanted by being careful

>> No.5014863

? I didnt ignore shit.

Krita runs better than PS, at least for me. CSP runs like shit since its singlethreaded. Why would you use a bloated single threaded choppy software for lineart when you could use a completely fluid, responsive lightweight software like sai. Youd use CSP for better textured brushes but then the lag immediately starts because the entire fucking thing runs on a single core. In addition, every non sai software has this fucking annoying issue that the brush engine ignores selection boundaries, so blur/blending tools pick up colours from outside the selection.

>> No.5014868

Because there would be 0 difference in performance for lineart, the brush is small as fuck to begin with, unless you're running on a potato pc from the 90s, but then every painting program would get slow on that

>> No.5014871

But it doesn't nothing to actually imitate real painting how is it better than Corel Painter that actually tries to mimic realistic painting ?

>> No.5014874

I got it for free

>> No.5014879

>It's probably because it's runs smoother than CSP. PS handles higher res canvases and large brushes better. But CSP has better tools specifically for drawing. It's like CSP feels specifically built for the artist in mind
This is actually exactly why,

>> No.5014883

CSP has easily accessible 3d models of a lot of things

>> No.5014889

Report rate of your tablet also accounts to the lag. I have xhink-pen tablet and krita still feels snappier than other software on my machine.

>> No.5014891

That's why CSP and PS make a godlike combo shhhhh. Honestly, I think the more I get better at art, the more I get more jealous with my secrets.

>> No.5014902

>PS is best for “realistic painting”
How? What does it do that other software doesn’t, exactly?
You can do literally everything you can in PS and more in Krita or Painter

>> No.5014909

Use whatever is industry standard where you live or the place you wish to work for

>> No.5014928

I'll be honest unless I'm working on a big print-size paint scene with layers PS, CSP and SAI seem more like personal preference than anything.

I use CSP the most because it's stable and light on memory.

>> No.5014940

Why would I hand out my secrets to my rivals? ;)
Stick to whatever software you think is best.

>> No.5014942

>t. begtard shitter

>> No.5014971

>you can't even save favorites
You can make a new custom 'favorites' tag instead of using the default, and it'll work.

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>> No.5015187

Works on my machine.

>> No.5015188

I don't care about your machine

>> No.5015209

Which money they mostly use to wreck wacom products and/or PS in general, every single update
regardless, I'm happy using PS most of the time. It has everything I need for my work

>> No.5015292

They're finally going to release a new version of the resource management system in Krita 5.0 which will finally fix the buggy brush tags that always randomly disappear.

CSP vector brushes. If only krita had it

>> No.5017028

I know, I'm talking about the curves presets in the tablet settings, for each brush. Or even save several of them. So that you could have brushes that work the same, but with a different shape or texture ("stamp" as they call it).
I played around with having like -5%+5% random hue/value/saturation for example, and it's a pain to set up. So that's what I did, I saved brushes that are just that, and then put whatever texture on it.
Oh, I'm sur Krita 5.0 will be so perfect and amazing, just like Godot 4.0, just like Tiled 2.0 (if it ever evolves in any way, which the developer doesn't seem to think it needs to)...

>> No.5017063

Is it worth learning to use inkscape for vector or should I use GIMP?

>> No.5018267

I got Photoshop CS6 because i could get it free. Newest version would be kinda dangerous because germanfag.
I get so overwhelmed with all the functions and feel kinda demotivated often. Is there something simple or should i just try to figure out that shit becaues Photoshop is superior to anything.

>> No.5018273

Watch Ctrl+Paint course he explains the basic technical stuff so you don't get lost

>> No.5018288

He has so many playlists, whats the right one? He also uses a very old version of Photoshop i think.

>> No.5018289

But thanks, i will check him out

>> No.5018366

I edit the png files by hand with notepad

>> No.5018411

What are the best krita tutorials?

>> No.5018415

f11 help

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>editing binary files as text
use the pnm formats instead:
10 10

>> No.5018755

It's surprisingly needy when it comes to hardware resources.

>> No.5018929

It's always worth learning not to use GIMP

>> No.5018932

Why would the newest photoshop be dangerous?

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>> No.5020590
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Why do so many animu style artists use CSP now? Last I checked live streamers they were all using SAI and now almost everyone uses CSP, why'd they make the switch? Isn't it expensive?

>> No.5020718

Faster lineart

>> No.5020729

It makes me draw faster?..

>> No.5020759

No, ink faster with their line tool instead of a brush

>> No.5021363

it's ordered well here

>> No.5021656

is relying on a stabilizer bad? I want good lineart and I use CSP. Do I just tough it out?

>> No.5021667

CSP is cheap if you wait for sale. SAI is more expensive

>> No.5021695

Why do people shill SAI so hard when Medibang is basically the same thing with more features?

>> No.5022382

CSP on sale right now by the way.

>> No.5022455

CSP has
>built in 3d models with the best posing, downloadable poses, auto perspective grids, perspective locking, importable 3d objects from all other 3d programs, perspective modifications for models, lighting manipulation for 3d objects
>fill can ignore line gaps (so fucking useful)
>the BEST lineart engine and the best for animation (if you pirate the EX edition which has no difference from pro except more frames)
At least saifags still have the best blending by far. CSP is outstanding for lineart. Use it with PS and you have an unbeatable combo and since you can pirate both, these two make Krita/medibang/fire alpaca/GIMP practically worthless, imo.

>> No.5022569

CSP is still too expensive for me even with 50% off, is pirating it really that hard?

>> No.5022594

No it took me five minutes.

>> No.5022816

What are good tutorials for a beg who hasnt used CSP? Can I apply Photoshop logic to this software?

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I was watching the Marvel 616 documentary on Disney+ and I was wondering if anyone recognizes the software that this artist was using on their ipad?

>> No.5023191

Not that anon but could you pastebin your method to a 5 minute find? I've been at it for an hour now and can't find anything not backdoored or very old

>> No.5023423

Use the 1.9.4 EX cracked version off 1337x. It's one year old, but really the only relevant update CSP has actually even made in like a year is better curves. EX also has no frame limit on animations while costing five times the price of PRO (the 20 something dollar one on sale)

>> No.5023752

>next update has timelapse and an option to import ps brushes
Fucking sweet

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Is it worth getting CSP EX for $109 if I'm a beginner? Would be using with my cintiq.

>> No.5023915

Looks like CPS for the IPads

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>> No.5025311

gimp is photo manipulation not asset creation, to that point, gimp is as good or better then photoshop, mostly trading blows.

for painting, its shit, but its not a painting program.

>> No.5025322

so, if i'm a weeb, i go for csp? nice

>> No.5025375

I just downloaded Krita the other day because I was having problems with the wintab drivers in photoshop, also it hasn't improved anything in 10 years and I though a purely art focused software would be interesting. Krita didn't even have fucking HSB sliders, what a useless piece of shit.

>> No.5025789

Can someone buy/upload this brush for an anon?

If you dont do animations just buy the pro

>> No.5025827

I want to start doing animations, not big ones, just short things like head/eye movements or short dances.

>> No.5026292

if you have the money go for it!

>> No.5026318

Filters > Adjust?
I'm not sure what you're specifically talking about but did you even look for one second?

>> No.5026490

Installing brushes on CSP requires an account and it downloads it to CS, however I have a cracked CSP, is it gonna fuck with the crack or not allow me to due to it being cracked? If so then what's an alternative for getting brushes on pirated csp.

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>also it hasn't improved anything in 10 years
>hasn't used it for more than 5 minutes

>Krita didn't even have fucking HSB sliders
Try the artistic color selector

They're talking about the color sliders that was removed two years ago in 4.1 because it was too buggy or something. I have to admit it's retarded that no one still hasn't programmed them back in yet.


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>>built in 3d models with the best posing, downloadable poses, auto perspective grids, perspective locking

As someone who uses CSP to death, let me tell you, the perspective modification tools are not really good at all, very limited compared to DesignDoll, and CPS has this terrible thing that when you modify the model perspective, it always prioritizes the limbs like arms and hands and distorts the head with the spaguetti effect, which is NOT good if you wanna do ass cake shots unless the arms are not towards the camera.

If only CSP will give you more perspective options, like a Fake perspective tool/Focus Point/Click Perspective Center option so you can manipulate model distortion at your wish.

This is the only worthwhile feature that Design Doll has over CSP, but the models, well, they had in fairness, they have more manipulation/customization options for model proportions then CSP which focuses more on realistic body types (simplified of course), whereas on DDoll you can make more outlandish and cartonnier designs, but the problem is that the models works like early 3d/Silicon Graphics models in the 90s, made of nurbs and with cylindrical limbs, and worst of all, is when you try to bend the character to do a butt shot pose, the way it bends the torso, the stomach, and the crotch, is more bubblegum-ish then on CSP, and there's no clear definition when the crotch (vagina/taint) area is supposed to be, and when you move the leg joints, they seem to be, ''eaten, by the coxis area, like they get clipped, or swallowed.

Its hard to explain, but try pose some limb manipulation on DDoll, then on CSP, and you will now what i am talking about, and this is the reason i gave up on DDoll, and haven't touch it since, specially after learning a few tricks for CSP perspective tools, but honestly this aren't enough, Celsys needs to stop being Japanese Tone-deaf, and add more and better perspective tools (a fish eye mode also would be nice)

>> No.5026641

Pirated CSP lets you use online assets. You can download anything you like off it

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should i get CSP EX on sale?
i used a outdated pirated version before but i might as well go legit. i guess i will get the trial first.

i don't think you need EX unless you want to do comics or animation.

>> No.5026692

I was talking about Photoshop not improving in over a decade. Does the artistic color selector have sliders with hard numerical values? I'm not willing to change my entire color mixing workflow because they can't be assed to re-add such a basic piece of functionality. Meanwhile, messing around with CSP is a pleasant surprise, I might switch for line-art purposes.

>> No.5026698

In CSP is there a way to control the thickness of the shift+click lines? It has the opposite problem to photoshop where it takes the maximum size of your brush and ends up way too thick.

>> No.5026704

Photoshop has improved stuff over the decade. In the past two years it got useful stuff like Content Aware fill, object selection, a stabiliser (finally) and a whole bunch of easily pirateable addons that will work for years. And the 3D features are also very nice, I've seen some animu artists use them very creatively.

>> No.5026706

I also would like to know this, but there is a simple but imperfect solution: create a modifier shortcut to switch to ruler, draw the ruler then draw back over it with your pen. It's marginally slower/clunkier than the straight lines from shift+click, but allows for line width variation like photoshop's does without being locked into certain directions.

>> No.5026709

>Content Aware fill
>past two years

>> No.5026719

there's stuff you can do under tool properties.
and if you go into its settings (sub tool details) there starting/ending line and other stuff.

but if you want to make the line freely variable you'll have to use a ruler like the other guy said.
alternatively you can also work in vectors so you can always adjust your line widths.

>> No.5026750

i upgraded to sai 2 but i don't have some brush settings...

>> No.5026777

Content aware fill is from like CS5 which was actually 10 years ago, also its not a painting tool. Stabilisers are standard in every other painting program and it took them this long to implement, I used Photoshop for so long I don't even like or use stabilisers. They only ever add tools for photo editing, meanwhile windows fucking ink is still the default pen driver, simple shit like making an empty ellipse or a rotatable perspective guide is still a pain in the ass. I wanted for so long to be able to view more than 1 set of color sliders, they will never implement this, Meanwhile in CSP I boot it up for the first time yesterday and they have all of it (but I still cant migrate because I need certain PS functionality).

>> No.5026780

Just use an alternate colourpicker like coolorus in PS

>> No.5026872

This helped me figure out that it's possible to bind a special parallel ruler to an easy shortcut then hold ctrl+drag at any time to quickly alter the angle. Then I can press ctrl+2 to turn off ruler magnetism at any time. This has benefits over shift clicking and it seems fast enough to be really useful. It's a shame there's no easy vertical/horizontal shift constraint but I'm happy enough to keep using the program.

>> No.5027237

I've had an iPad for a couple years and only really used Sketchbook on it cause it was comfy, despite the lack of updates. Procreate and I haven't been getting along but I'm liking Medibangs main app and the MangaName one together so far. Great for storyboarding.

But I was wondering if anyone used ComicDraw and if that's better for making comics in one app rather then having to port over through the Medibang ones? I don't mind the porting but if I can cut down on apps I have loaded on the thing that's the goal.

>> No.5027375

Everyone says CSP is best for anime and linework but is it alright for digital painting?

>> No.5027390

It is alright

>> No.5027630

Don't use it for painting, pirate PS for that.

>> No.5027671

I'm experimenting with it now, the brush engine is powerful enough to sort of recreate my key Photoshop brushes but they run like shit above a certain size. Of all the art tools I've used (krita, sketchbook pro, procreate and corel painter) this is the first viable alternative. It's definitely worse for painting, it reminds me of when I used to paint with CS1 on a mediocre PC, but this is more than I can say for the other shit I tried since it actually has everything you need.

Overall, more than enough for coloring line work and painting characters but large, concept art pieces are only viable if you're OK with laggy brushes.

>> No.5027840

In going to stop using Sai and jump into Medi or CSP, what should I Expect?

>> No.5027851

Sai is fun but it feels a little limiting, maybe I'd like it more if the UI was more customizable. CSP is good for everything but not particularly great for anything. Krita is really good but holy fuck I've never been able to run it without bugs.

I like Autodesk Sketchbook for doodling and practice.

>> No.5027852

You should expect you going to preferences to edit keyboard shortcuts

>> No.5027855

Headaches and days spent trying to understand their ass backwards brush engines, just stick to sai watercolor if you know whats good for you.

>> No.5027857

Oh yeah I should get used to that. Also I usually do more illustrations and focus on clothes and coloring. Isn't CSP better suited for comic and such?

>> No.5027875

The amount of lag trying to paint in CSP is horrendous, even on a pretty amazing machine like mine.

>> No.5027903

>Isn't CSP better suited for comic and such?
Yeah. It's not reeeeally made for paintings or general image editing, its focus is line art. Probably explains why it isn't optimized for big canvas paintings. Remember that it used to be called MangaStudio.

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I started making my own as well.
Checking out tablet input in qt right now. Everything seems like it's going fine.

Anyway when I hear the name of basically any art software I think unusable.
Photoshop may as well be mspaint for all the reliability of their tablet input. Something about windows ink dependency and there's literally no way to fix it.
GIMP isn't for drawing or editing.
Krita is just another piece of KDE crotch necrosis. Tablet pressure works fine though.
Corel Painter is a mole on photoshop's ass. They can't design funtional software either.
CSP is garbo for painting, brush editor isn't made for humans and the toolbox is completely trash.
SAI is the closest out of all of them to being a decent art program.

I'm getting fucking tired of software so I don't know if I'll even finish this.

>> No.5027996

SAI has a good interface, the jap just forgot to make a usable brush engine

>> No.5028039

do you have a website or anything for your program so we can check it out or get updates?

>> No.5028188

Look at NekoPaint, it's like SAI but the guy gave up, maybe you can reference it.

>> No.5028281

i have a gitlab... github something or other.

i'll post releases there and drop links once it can draw. that's when testers will be needed. but otherwise it'll just be here and on trash wherever i ventpost.

also just realized this thread wasn't about op making his own program...

>> No.5028391

Why hasn't a single art program stolen sketchbook pros ellipse tool. I hate how insular and glacial art programs are, 3d artists are lucky as hell to have blender.

>> No.5028396

How long until csp becomes subscription only? I'm questioning if it's worth buying if they are just going to copy what Adobe did.

>> No.5029524

I can get folk Paint Tool SAI 2 for free if they want?
I bought it so I technically have "infinite" keys.

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How do I clean my cintiq screen? After using it for 3 days straight to break it in, under the ceiling light it's noticeably black/smudge/greasy (idk wtf to call it) wherever I was touching the most.

>> No.5029697

You have infinite keys but limited IP's, you need to download the license from the website and you'll get the license banned if too many people download the same license over a certain time period.

>> No.5029714

Yeah well I'm not expecting a hundred of (you) to ask for a key.
I've done it for folk before.
I just space it out 3 keys at max a week.

>> No.5029909

could i get one if possible?

>> No.5030012

Why do you have a cintiq if you are a begginer?

>> No.5030034

I was tired of using a non display tablet (on and off for years) and anons told me the new cintiq are the only good display tablets worth getting from trustworthy japs.

>> No.5030087

>believing anons on /ic/
All I can tell you is not to do that ever regarding hardware. I'm using an xp-pen and it works fine, but I'd be called a chink shill or something for posting that. Cintiqs may be better, I don't know I've never used one, but they're certainly not the ONLY good display tablet.

>> No.5030152

I give it before 2025, think you can make it before then?

>> No.5030418

When a program goes subscription only they stop giving you updates, ordinarily this wouldn't be a massive deal but csp is still incomplete, I would buy EX tommorow if they fixed large brush performance.

>> No.5030485

Has anybody used Artweaver?

>> No.5030623

Sure, DM me on twitter or discord.

>> No.5030688

Niggers keep saying CSP has "the best lineart", but I have exhausted CSP's brush/pen options trying to create a lineart stabilization as comfy as SAI's, to no avail.
I even got some /ic/ers to help me on trannyscord cause they were so sure about, and when I did everything they told me to do, it was still worse then SAI.

The cope-out was always "well, it's good enough for me..."

It is not with joy that I say: xXx_SAI_4_3v3r_xXx

>> No.5030699

so basically from these threads, i should use csp/sai for sketching/lineart and then use photoshop for coloring/painting?

>> No.5030701

Ironically the more features that get added to CSP, the worse it gets for lineart due to sheer bloat. Sai will never be topped because its so damn smooth.

>> No.5030708

You have to steal a small bank to buy it.

>> No.5030724

Might be your tablet.
I have a UGEE 1910b, I can use SAI with it perfectly but Photoshop is fucking terrible.

>> No.5030799

I don't really understand why people use stabilizers, I come from 12 years of Photoshop and It never even occurred to me that stabilization was something I needed. Do you use it to avoid jitter or just for smooth curves?

>> No.5030908

I sketch without stabilization and clean up with it.
Sometimes I also ramp it up to max stabilization for making tricky curves with more control, although these are rare.

>> No.5030921

Honestly Sai and CSP are fine for coloring nowadays especially if you're doing something stylized. Photoshop is definitely the best for painterly trad imitations though. CSP's big problem is brushes shitting their pants if you try to work too large and I definitely prefer Sai but they're both doable.

>> No.5031006

Right, but that's why you pirate it.

w14 dot monkrus dot ws/2020/08/adobe-master-collection-2020-rus-eng-v9.html

(Use the pb dot wtf link. Most of the others require making an account before downloading)

Obviously replace " dot " with "." in all instances

>> No.5031074

Only reason I’m not even considering moving to CSP from Sai is CSP’s transform tool is too damn slow. It’s just that too everything else on it runs smoothly.

>> No.5031095

rei what?

>> No.5031301

Is there no way to pirate CSP on IOS?

>> No.5031310

wtf, upgrade your potato, or get a proper cracked version that is not mining

>> No.5031352

I told you people again and again not to buy iOS unless you are going to pay for subscriptions forever until Apple kills your device with updates/your apps become unupdateable and unusable. PS and CSP both require subscriptions on iPad.

Enjoy Procreate, I guess, unless you're willing to use some crappy and laggy screen mirroring app (and supposedly android has some flawless ones whilst with apple you're stuck with ones with high latency or ones that you have to pay a subscription, again, to use). There was a thread posted recently where someone wanted to buy another tablet on top of their ipad so they could use it with their PC, because they found out that an ipad didn't cut it.

>> No.5031363

Is Lazy Nezumi good for Clip Studio or does that already have stabilizers? I saw someone say it was 15 dollars and I was thinking on getting it.

Idk what software to get in general. Dont know how to pirate PS...

>> No.5031380
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Clip Studio, PS and SAI all have stabilisers. Lazy Nezumi is a meme nowadays useful for perspective rulers only and guess what, CSP has by far the best rulers already built in. And on Photoshop, Perspective Tools V2 is much better than Lazy Nezumi because it literally lets you deperspectify stuff.

How to pirate Photoshop.
1) Download and install qbittorrent: https://www.qbittorrent.org/download.php
2) Search m0nkrus on google or go here: https://underver.se/viewtopic.php?t=186563 and click only the red magnet symbol as seen on the left and click open in Qbittorrent
3) Download your torrent
4) When the torrent is finished downloading, it will move to the seeding tab. Delete the torrent from here and be careful not to delete your files

>> No.5031414

I only bought an ipad as a sketchbook and procreate is more than enough for that, I just got into using CSP for PC though and it would be nice to use it everywhere. Android and Microsoft tablets still draw like shit in comparison so there isn't much choice (Android had fuck all in terms of software when I was shopping around).

>> No.5031419

Samsung S Pen is actually quite good

>> No.5031441

better than the Microsoft n-trig pens? Every year I'm waiting for them to improve the pen performance so I can get away from mobile operating systems. outside of drawing the ipad is a massive ipod touch, its completely useless.

>> No.5031474

Well ge thanks. But do you prefer PS or CSP? Theyre saying thr latter can import the formers brushes.

>> No.5031481

I use CSP for doing the lineart and flats and PS for painting or adding shading/highlights/colour adjustments. CSP is easier to get into, but the interface for pretty much all these 2D programs are simpler. If you're an art noob, then CSP will definitely be easier to crack out all your pose practice and stuff in!

>> No.5031731

So bith but start with CSP. Got it. Thanks anon.

>> No.5031741

if you don't have a copy of CSP and are using the cracked versions I've just uploaded the latest one that dropped today off cgp here >>5031570

>> No.5031839

Much better than n-trig. The S-Pen uses Wacom's EMR tech, and the experience is pretty much identical to a Wacom stylus.

The Surface pro 1 and 2 actually also used EMR. They switched to n-trig for the Pro 3, and while the computing specs improve with each model, the pen has been worse since the Pro 2.

>> No.5031864

>But I was wondering if anyone used ComicDraw and if that's better for making comics in one app rather then having to port over through the Medibang ones?
Anyone? Still looking before I have to slog back to work for the week.

>> No.5032068

I got a copy a few years back. I'll start trying to get Photoshop

>> No.5032099

PS is just >>5031380

>> No.5032113

How the fuck do I use the default and watercolor brushes in SAI?
Are they also half-blenders or something?

>> No.5032137

Use default brush with a lot of blend to start placing in colours and use the watercolour brush for finer blending

>> No.5032141

Does anyone have "PEN - Brian's Favorite (Flyland)"? Been looking for stylized CSP brushes to play with.

>> No.5032142

>Not just downloading everything from clip studio assets
Redjuice also made a Sai watercolor brush for CSP a long time ago?

>> No.5032174

I've tried using both brushes and both blend when I apply low pressure, but the watercolor one blends better than the default one.
Is the default one for visible brushstrokes or something?

>> No.5032177

That's what it's supposed to be like. Block in colours roughly and use the watercolour to refine the blend. Just keep watching more good tutorials like https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1J7411A72r
to get a handle on what is possible in SAI

>> No.5032179

ofc you may need to watch some english vids in youtube to get a handle for what people tend to do

>> No.5032180

*Because it's kinda difficult to read the tool settings

>> No.5032195

Alright, gonna check it out, thanks.

>> No.5032206

Yeah I meant to say speedpaints not tutorials, looking at how artists approach the problem will help you figure out what you want out of it. The basic principles of digital painting are roughly the same as traditional painting.
1. First decide on what you want in it.
2. Quick rough sketch of the shapes <- this is where gesture/pose can come in to help it look more realistic
3. Start loosely blocking in the colours with normal biggish brushes that have some blend <- this is where value studies can help
4. Refine the colours with watercolour brush and/or a smaller normal brush with some blend <- this is where master studies/copies can help and working from realism
Where SAI comes in strong is that you can have everything except your lineart layer on one layer and the colours will blend.

>> No.5032626

yeah, I can't believe apple pencil needs a battery plus charging times. S Pen also has the freedom in that aspect.

>> No.5032785

this is safe right? i know m0nkrus is trusted and all but i'm just paranoid

>> No.5032893

Is there any way to create subfolders for CSP brushes?

>> No.5033384

Everyone and their mum use either uncia or m0nkrus and m0nkrus teaches uncia (passively aggressively) whenever uncia can't figure out how to fix something on the latest update and since these links come off m0nkrus' site the hashes shoud be correct

>> No.5033529

Ain’t my potato, but I’ll consider cracked since I have no issues with PS either

>> No.5034286

>In addition, every non sai software has this fucking annoying issue that the brush engine ignores selection boundaries, so blur/blending tools pick up colours from outside the selection.
No way that SAI is really the only program mentioned in this thread that does this correctly

>> No.5034331

The more I use CSP the madder I get that the painting performance is so shit. After remaking my brushes from Photoshop I actually prefer how they feel in CSP, I prefer literally everything about it but I'm stuck using Photoshop.

>> No.5036207

fire alpaca how is it?

>> No.5036272

Should I go for CSP or PS if I have a shitty computer? I have SAI2 and it works fine, I just wanted to learn either of the two. I'm worried about the lag.

>> No.5036291

computer specs?

>> No.5036309

CSP is better for crappier computers. PS requires a lot of RAM and it will use your hard drive or ssd instead if you don't have enough RAM

>> No.5036488

Keep in mind however that CSP works best on cpus with high single core frequencies, so mostly intel cpus. I have a very capable pc but CSP runs like shit on it because I use a ryzen cpu

>> No.5036528

I have pretty solid single core performance and it's still shitty when painting with big brushes. SAI is honestly the best for potatos, but lineart on CSP is still good on potatoes.

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