/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.4980197]

What did the old masters have to say about “talent”?

[Anonymous No.4980205]

>>4980197
The word talent used then and used now are different.

[Anonymous No.4980238]

>>4980205
No, it meant precisely the same thing because they defined it as such, retard.

[Anonymous No.4980243]

>>4980197

[Anonymous No.4980244]

>>4980243
or alternatively

[Anonymous No.4980245]

>>4980205
>Meaning "special natural ability, aptitude, gift committed to one for use and improvement" developed by mid-15c
>michelangelo was born in 1475

[Anonymous No.4980248]

>>4980244
>>4980243
counterpoint: michelangelo didn’t even consider himself a painter and hated painting, finding it beneath him, as it is plebeian art, contrasted by sculpting, which is true art and his actual calling

[Anonymous No.4980257]

I think people shouldn't apply quotes from 500+ years ago to modern day work ethics.
The works of these people are timeless, but what they said was entrenched in the context of their time, which is radically different from today. E.g. a reclusive misanthrope like Michelangelo would never make it today, he was confrontational, never followed directives and was notoriously awful to work with.

[Anonymous No.4980265]

>>4980243
>>4980244
Ironically, Michelangelo got eternally butthurt because the much younger Raphael was universally regarded as the better painter and beat him out of a commission by the pope at age 26.

[Anonymous No.4980267]

>>4980248
>michelangelo didn’t even consider himself a painter and hated painting, finding it beneath him
can we stop flanderizing historical figures?

[Anonymous No.4980280]

>>4980267
>ugh
>can we stop
>like, yikes

[Anonymous No.4980285]

>>4980248
>>4980257
>>4980265
What is going on here? I'm curious as to why you're all listing his negative traits.
Is there anything incorrect about the quote?

[Anonymous No.4980289]

>>4980280
that’s a heckin big yikes from me, downvoted for confrontational behaviour

[Anonymous No.4980292]

>>4980285
>made it his life’s purpose to shit on raphael because he was better than him while being younger and less practiced
>quotes posted implying he didn’t recognize talent
it’s not “posting negative qualities” it’s pointing out that raphael being more talented infuriated him for his entire life

[Anonymous No.4980293]

>>4980285
It's just Da Vinci and Raphael shills trying to run a smear campaign, just hide and report their posts everytime a Michelangelo General gets made.

[Anonymous No.4980355]

>>4980293
the only smear campaign here is the one michelangelo ran on the sistine chapel LMOA

[Anonymous No.4980360]

>>4980355
Silence twink, imagine having to use color to cope with your lack of anatomy skill and then getting btfo the moment Michelangelo gets a colorist that btfo's you.
Have sex and die because of it, again, incel.

[Anonymous No.4982643]

The concept of talent as something innate that is different from a learned skill has been around since at least the Roman times, as related by Ars Poetica by Horace, which was seminal to the conception of art in the Renaissance. If one reads biographies such as those by Vasari you will see them praise talent as something which is natal or G*d-given. For example the first paragraph of Leonardo's biography by Vasari, if I recall. Often he notes that a painter's genius is an expression of the painter's natural disposition. Design (disegno) was also thought of as something which manifests through man G*d's own creativity (segno di dio in nos), and was considered the one art from which stems not only drawing itself, but painting, sculpture, and architecture--and therefore noble. Another important concept is invention (invenzione), with which an artist create with novelty and variation.
>>4980285
>>4980293
>>4980355
This topic is already resolved in Ludovico Dolce's Aretino. Raphael really is better.

[Anonymous No.4982646]

>>4980197
iirc DaVinci thought artists who didn't shade their work were NGMI. Michelangelo was all about hard work, Bernini thought success came from working hard, good examples and critique. pretty much all the major artists seemed to not believe in talent, just dedication and striving to achieve the best result.

[Anonymous No.4982649]

>>4982643
And Vilppu is better than all of them combined. Actually, most good artists today btfo all of the old masters

[Anonymous No.4982838]

>>4982649
not at all. people only like vilppu because they are new and find him useful to learn from. you would not see anyone admiring his works aside from art students. lets see vilppu complet any actual art.

[Anonymous No.4982843]

>>4980267
there's nothing more Reddit than exaggerating trivia for the sake of romanticizing historical figures
>did you know that Michelangelo HATED painting!?!!!?!?

[Anonymous No.4982845]

>>4982843
meant for >>4980280

[Anonymous No.4982862]

>>4982649
>>4982649
Fuck those poor fags. Don't have money for online courses, tablets, and hookers models. NGMI Amirite?

[Anonymous No.4982887]

>>4980293
kek

[Anonymous No.4982975]

>>4982646
some part of that might be interpretted by ic culture as just grinding fundies though. leonardo spent most of his time contemplating a wide range of subjects, which affectrd his art. we read more things today in our daily livesbut these artists were more well-read despite.

[Anonymous No.4983339]

>>4982838
>lets see vilppu complet any actual art.

[Anonymous No.4983398]

>>4980248
>>4980265
>>4980280
I fucking hate it when reddit*rs who watched 3 youtube videos and read 1 wikipedia article start talking about historical figures in a casual manner as if they dedicated an entire lifetime studying them. Shut the fuck up, you don't know shit, you're parroting stuff you've read on the internet.

[Anonymous No.4983403]

>>4980245
ummmm anon?? 1475 is mid-15c lol.

[Anonymous No.4983408]

>>4983398
>nooooo you can’t parrot stuff you read on the internet you have to parrot stuff you read in a book
die boomer

[Anonymous No.4983412]

>>4980197
Richard Schmid in his book Alla Prima

[Anonymous No.4983415]

>>4983403
...meaning the definition had already developed by the time he was born, yes

[Anonymous No.4983546]

"Old masters" enrolled in their studies way earlier than us modern people.

Michelangelo started cutting stones at 6

[Anonymous No.4983554]

>>4980244
Pretty bold claim coming from a magical turtle.

[Anonymous No.4983563]

>>4983554
Pretty bold claim coming from a magical bitch

[Anonymous No.4983751]

>>4980257
>I think people shouldn't apply quotes from 500+ years ago to modern day work ethics.

Hogwash. The essential elements of human nature and behavior are exactly the same as they were 5000 years ago. Only the very thin surface elements have changed.

[Anonymous No.4983814]

>>4983751
>Only the very thin surface elements have changed.
Yes but I did not talk about philosophy. I talked about work ethics. Because the way people work now is different.
So now I'm going to anonymously tell you you're retarded from 10000km away.

[Anonymous No.4984553]

>>4980197
They were rich
No serf becomes an artist
They’re not born to be one and neither are you

[Anonymous No.4984558]

>>4983751
What utter bullshit you’d get eaten alive by motherfuckers 5000 years ago

[Anonymous No.4984564]

>>4984558
You underestimate me

[Anonymous No.4984570]

>>4984564
kek based reaction hoarder

[Anonymous No.4984573]

>>4984570
what are you doing on an imageboard if you're not hoarding images?

[Anonymous No.4984580]

>>4984573
I’m here ironically

[Anonymous No.4984635]

>>4980360
>black jesus
>trannoid mary
ngl that's a pretty woke painting

[Anonymous No.4984681]

>>4984635
Actually most women in paintings are trannies because female models weren't available for hire. Unless it was a portrait you were doing any chance of a biological female model was none.

[Anonymous No.4984685]

>>4980248
how the fuck is that a counterpoint

[Anonymous No.4984697]

>>4980197
https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=talent

[Anonymous No.4986001]

>>4980265
>commission by the pope at age 26
>I'm 34
>Got a commission to draw furry porn
>It's my second com so far
>commission by the pope at age 26
>I'm 34
Should I end myself now?

[Anonymous No.4986077]

>>4984580

[Anonymous No.4986430]

>>4986001
Nobody would commission Michelangelo today for literally anything.
If he made The Pieta and posted a photo of it on Instagram today he would get 0.2 likes

[Anonymous No.4986444]

I don't know about Talent, but the portrait painters has many things to say to the photographs

[Anonymous No.4986524]

>>4980197
>implying art incells didnt exist back then
i mean i dont see why assfaces like >>4984553
didnt exist back then
people were probably just the same as they are now

[Anonymous No.4987196]

>>4982649
kek, can't tell if bait or just ngmi

[Anonymous No.4987231]

>>4986430
sculptures are still being commissioned. however the resources required to get even enough practice is quite steep, and the studio requirement is also something of an issue.

[Anonymous No.4987254]

>>4987231
Are they? I don’t remember the last time I saw something that wasn’t cast in a public space, do you hang around no cartel villas or something?

[Anonymous No.4987305]

>>4987254
they are rare but they are around. most would also use machines for the majority of the work. dont know if hes still around but in modern times there is john fisher. i would guess however the more lucrative field in marble it would be for architectural elements.

[Anonymous No.4987325]

>>4987196
you're the ngmi