https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNI07egoefc PragerU on postmodern art. Thoughts?

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Anonymous Wed Oct 28 12:29:45 2020 No.4964929 [Reply] [Original]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNI07egoefc
PragerU on postmodern art. Thoughts?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 12:31:27 2020 No.4964933 >>4964929 >PragerU fuck off

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 12:36:35 2020 No.4964943 >>4964933 >nooo leave muh self-expression alone

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 12:43:12 2020 No.4964961 >>4964929 >you are a product >fit the industry's needs or die god I wish I could be here when AIs kill us all

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 12:50:22 2020 No.4964974 >>4964929 >Thoughts where?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 12:50:33 2020 No.4964975 >>4964961 If you are referring to the pic, it is entirely applicable to preindustral era.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 12:51:35 2020 No.4964976 >>4964974 Spoken like a true NPC

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 12:56:01 2020 No.4964984 >>4964929 I'm not clicking on a prageru video. I'd rather get stomped out by a rhino than watch their dogshit

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 12:57:40 2020 No.4964990 >>4964984 Whatever your feefees demands

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 13:02:52 2020 No.4965003 >>4964929 >pragerU is there a more brainletcore youtube channel?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 13:07:00 2020 No.4965016 >>4964929 The ignores a lot of modern art are money laundering schemes. There is still high art being made, and other people fucking around. It's called freedom.

Anonymous Wed Oct 28 14:38:19 2020 No.4965139

>>4964929
He never even explains what the absolute principles of art are supposed to be.
His argument of "look at this nice painting isn't this much nicer than this modern art piece" is such garbage, does he not know that there's an art scene outside of modern art museums? Lot's of realistic beautiful art is still being made, even classical oil paintings. Seems like he's fallen for the same thing he's criticizing other people for, paying too much attention to cheap shock pieces.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 14:39:50 2020 No.4965144 >>4964929 is this the channel that dab on twitter trannies and feminist or was it another?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 14:51:06 2020 No.4965167 File: 400 KB, 568x738, makimakek.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4964929 >pragerU HAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAA

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 14:58:46 2020 No.4965181 >>4965003 vice vox buzzfeed which you all would've gobbled up without hesitation

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 15:29:45 2020 No.4965241 (((pragerU))) is le basederino. shadilay

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 15:46:05 2020 No.4965259 >PragerU why are you even here if you dont draw, i dont get it

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 16:40:41 2020 No.4965343 >>4964933 >fork off

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 18:35:20 2020 No.4965557 >>4965181 I love how consistently mad you are lol

Anonymous Wed Oct 28 22:42:24 2020 No.4965915
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>>4964929
>PragerU
bro
I don't give a shit about modern art since it was funded by the CIA (to try and fight soviet realism, which failed spectacularly), and I couldn't care less about postmodern art if I tried
I draw what I want for myself, not for anyone else
whatever trends are out there don't concern me, how good I am at art and how much enjoyment I'm getting out of the journey are the only things that matter to me
if you're spending time being upset over what other artists are doing, that's time wasted not honing your skills
if you want to shut hypermodernists up or whatever the fuck then shut them up with your own prowess, flailing about on the internet isn't gonna get you anywhere

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 23:34:27 2020 No.4966012 >>4965167 What is that extremely poorly drawn panel from?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 20:50:51 2020 No.4967879 >>4965016 This ignores the big scheme of them all. FUCKING JEWS. He talks about heads of museums, gallery owners and they never realize that they are all fucking jews on a mission to destroy western culture.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 20:52:31 2020 No.4967881 File: 1.88 MB, 300x168, 5b81a757-54df-4834-9269-42b7332467f8.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >PragerU

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 20:57:45 2020 No.4967885 >>4967879 I've been hearing about this shit for years, shut up or do something about it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 22:38:00 2020 No.4968014 >>4964933 They're cringe sometimes, especially in the field of art, but much of what they say has the right idea, even if the rationale is often flawed. Not watching though.

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 22:42:46 2020 No.4968017
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>post from nigger on Twitter
Let's debate it!
>post from tranny on Reddit
Haha... very cringe amirite, but let's look at the arguments here.
>e-celeb on YouTube
YESSS THE GOD, HE MIGHT ONLY TALK SHIT, BUT IT'S GOLDEN SHIT!
>PragerU
NOOO WE CANT TALK ABOUT THAT HERE, my woman studies specialist told me they are not a reliable source! Check your facts!

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 22:48:44 2020 No.4968024

>>4967885
him and people like him can't and never will have the power to do so
elites don't play the stupid tribal games the rest of us do. they only care about money and power, not where it comes from. while he's there seething at the jews, trump is signing checks for israel

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 22:54:23 2020 No.4968033 >>4964929 >PragerU Fucking lol nah

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 00:04:39 2020 No.4968115 >>4964929 It is worth pointing out that in this context the mangled fork does in fact have a use, it is useful in that it helps to convey an idea in a clear and artistic (though somewhat tacky) way.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 01:55:48 2020 No.4968239 >>4968017 Just goes to show how shit UgerPrag is

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 04:20:20 2020 No.4968370 >>4964929 normies like you ruin good ideas

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 06:34:51 2020 No.4968535 >9/10 replies is just seething over the mere existence of PragerU >Barely anyone addressing the contents Your shitlib knee jerking sure makes a compelling point.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 06:40:05 2020 No.4968544 File: 282 KB, 250x250, 1583085164022.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4968535 >Hey every single PragerU video you've seen has been shit but watch THIS one

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 06:52:59 2020 No.4968551 >>4968544 >it's not knee jerking and I'll prove it with this knee jerk

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 08:09:14 2020 No.4968642 >>4964929 I'm not a big fan of postmodern art but I found their take to be dishonest.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 08:12:38 2020 No.4968646 >>4968642 >no further elaboration was ever given

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 09:23:09 2020 No.4968711 I mean postmodern art sucks ass but idk why everyone hates prageru so I wont dare to call em based

Anonymous Fri Oct 30 09:42:59 2020 No.4968736
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>>4968535
There is nothing to be addressed. The video claims that the old masters were great because of some set of "universal standards" that we "got rid of" but makes no mention of what standards. The great Italian masters, the great french masters, the great asian masters, they either never appealed to any kind of universal standard or at best saugh something like "truth" which we would either equate to realism or to expressionism (albeit less abstract) but that divide itself has always been the debate surrounding art. The video makes all these appeals but gives zero sources aside from one quote from an opinion piece they don't even link to.
Like others mentioned the video also completely ignores the fact that a great deal of the modern art industry is just a front for laundering and a lot of these artists are misled (not misled into abstraction but mislead into thinking they're amazing) so they can be used to fuel the scheme.
Also if you've been to a gallery or uni then you'd know that the video is outright lying as well. While there is certainly weird shit floating around there are plenty of pieces of good portaiture and landscape in galleries and auctions. Most of the big social media artists, while focusing on coom, have either a great eye for beauty or insane technical skill, and their focus on coom is entirely born out of the capitalist regime that demands we all do our best to extract as much money out of our efforts as possible regardless of how it damages us or compromises the work rather than some vague appeal to critics being too nice. Most of the Asian artists /ic/ worships would wipe the fucking floor with old dinosaurs but even western dudes like plague know enough about their medium to shine like crazy.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 19:26:25 2020 No.4969607 File: 122 KB, 600x480, 16039025856023.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4968115 Aha! A challenge appears. What about now anon? Certainly you don't need BOTH forks to prove the point, as you pointed out one suffices to be clear

Anonymous Fri Oct 30 21:02:21 2020 No.4969797

>>4969607
lol. okay so the second fork serves to prove a second (and entirely independent) point, It helps prove your point. which is that two forks are not needed to prove the initial point.

You are right that the second fork is not necessary to prove the first point, but it is necessary to prove YOUR point, which is that the second fork is useless in proving the other point.

What you have attempted is essentially a straw man. No body said that two forks were needed or even reasonable. if they were needed or reasonable, the second fork would have been included in the original image in the first place.

the lack of usefulness for the second fork in the original image does not however negate the fact that it is abundantly useful in YOUR image, it therefore has a use.

(the presence of a second bent spoon also changes the dynamic, in that the bent spoons are no longer unique, as the title requires. but that's kind of a whole other thing.

Anonymous Fri Oct 30 22:02:57 2020 No.4969877

>>4968646
It was 4am in the fucking morning but fine. They dismiss Jackson Pollock's work as another one of those leftist eyesores but leave out the part where he was propped up by a group of anti-communist liberals to promote free expression. I am in no way a Pollock fan but I at least understood his significance.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 00:22:01 2020 No.4970043 >>4964929 America must support Israel

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 01:07:36 2020 No.4970082 Trying to find objectivity in art is pointless.The fact that they even need to make the video contradicts the whole premise.

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 02:27:07 2020 No.4970142
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>>4964929
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHw4MMEnmpc
Since all these superior intellectuals here cant watch PragerU without associating everything with their own political bias, here's a documentary about the exact same thing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 02:28:43 2020 No.4970145 >>4965003 Yes, everything you watch is brainletcore in your experience

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 02:31:18 2020 No.4970149

>>4965557
>i love
No you dont, you are excited at the thought of your dismissal of something based on its nature making him annoyed with you.
That's like a child annoying his older brother by tapping something and going "wut im jus tappin"
Bit weak, but hey you love doodling like a child too so...

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 02:33:10 2020 No.4970152 File: 46 KB, 770x433, Herman-Finkers-speelt-drie-dagen-in-de-schouwburg-in-Leiden-Foto-ANP.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4968239 it really isnt. it is just your hole, it aches.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 02:35:54 2020 No.4970155 >>4968115 True, did you also notice the forks are a different type? I have a feeling these were made specifically for this purpose of some soft material

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 06:48:14 2020 No.4970380 >>4964933 Dilate. You'll never be a real a woman.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 07:01:05 2020 No.4970388 >>4968017 This. As I leftist i'm consistently impressed by the brainwashing other leftists fell for.

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 07:09:33 2020 No.4970396

>>4968736
Isn't it fairly obvious this "standard' is skill in your craft? Why does that need to be explicitly stated?
The rest of your post is just "look at this shit that is fine" which I do not understand as relevant a point. The video is obviously about shitting on GOMA and inviting casual folk to look at it in another way. Which is a completely reasonable idea despite it not being particularly in-depth.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 07:27:30 2020 No.4970424 >>4964929 irrelevant. I see drawing and art as a commodity. I get paid doing something I enjoy. anything else is waste of time

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 08:19:13 2020 No.4970485 >>4964984 is /ic/ all libs?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 08:21:38 2020 No.4970489 >>4964929 2:59 is fucking gold

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 08:23:20 2020 No.4970493 >>4964984 your loss. it makes a good point.

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 08:41:06 2020 No.4970518

>>4970142
I draw in attempt to make something beautiful. It's that simple. Idk what other reasons there might be. Unappealing "art" attempts to deliver something purely provocative or convey a message. Yes, you should apply meaning to your art, but what's even the point if it's not even appealing to the eye. If you want to justify your ugly art with "thought provoking assets" with no resemblance of aesthetic appeal, just switch to a different media and stay out of art.

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 11:25:49 2020 No.4970741

>>4970396
>Isn't it fairly obvious this "standard' is skill in your craft?
You're making an appeal here. DaVinci never talked about universal standards. Michaelangelo never talked about universal standards. Repeat ad infinitum. If none of these artists were taught an explicit set of "universal standards" that they all knew then it's plain to see that those standards don't exist. None of the great old painters had the same style or favorite subject matter. It's all just hocus pocus on the part of pragerU to get you to think "old thing good, new thing bad, young people trash, gommies ruined art".
>The rest of your post is just "look at this shit that is fine" which I do not understand as relevant a point.
Try typing this out again but in English this time.
>>4970485
This board mentions niggers every other thread but as soon as people don't suck the dick of your favorite shit vendor then the board is slipping
>>4970493
There was no good point made and the video cites no sources

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 12:16:00 2020 No.4970835
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>>4970741
>"as a relevant point"*
You are just being pedantic and splitting hairs to justify your political vitriol. My pic related is just to humour you. Despite the fact you've completely ignored my point.
I agree with the second part of your post but you're too busy dribbling from the high dose of bread & circuses to even consider this possibility.
>>4970485
>lib =/= ignorant
I hate being lumped in with these small minded cunts.

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 17:08:25 2020 No.4971205

>>4970518
My life's work is to write N1gg3r in as many ways as possible.
I want to find ways to say it, write it, sing it, joke about it without people being able to be considered an adult when they chimp out about it.

Like drawing it in a way a child would with colors or using the anagram like this giNger, capitalizing the N to make you think im saying something.
It doesnt bring me pleasure all the time but i feel its a necessary part of freedom of expression.
Im not an artist, but i love the freedom geniuses use to make art that ican ennjoy.
So i use art to be insulting to the current pearl clutchers without them being able to do anything.

Tl:Dr I troll using art in a pretty piss poor way to defend art from crybullies.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 17:57:13 2020 No.4971290 >>4970485 Artists tend to be more left leaning so it wouldn't be surprising.

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:02:05 2020 No.4971421
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More like PragerJew

Wasting time complaining that the institutions are corrupt is pointless. What, you want them to like your work instead? You want to have their approval and your work seen as important or valid or "art"?

Pathetic.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:39:07 2020 No.4971551 >>4970835 Can you please speak in English and expand on your point. Which specific sentences in my post do you find "pedantuc" and why?

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 22:39:40 2020 No.4971697

>>4971205
That's fine but are you trying to make it look appealing? And are you convincing to the viewer the beauty in racism?

>>4971421
But the institutions are corrupt.
Also, if you make something beautiful enough, they can't say no to it. "objective" beauty exits, anon.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 00:58:52 2020 No.4971871 >>4971697 >"objective" beauty exists Give proofs. Find me an image that every person on earth with the ability to see will find beautiful.

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 05:45:14 2020 No.4972130

>>4971697
>are you trying to make it look appealing?
Convincing more than appealing.
Like if i copy a style I try to be accurate.
It could be anything from a signature that says nigger but looks convincingly like a John Hancock or just the word itself chopped in half so it really says nothing but your brain fills in the blanks.

>And are you convincing to the viewer the beauty in racism?
More showing their own free will.
And depending on their ability to understand its either beautiful or ugly.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 05:51:17 2020 No.4972138 >>4971871 Look outside or fall in love.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 06:35:13 2020 No.4972180 File: 22 KB, 400x252, 1577268924495.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4971551 You've now tried twice to derail the topic, ignore my point and insult my posts. YNMWPBTAIPRIM.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 16:18:46 2020 No.4972904 >>4972138 wow grass and houses

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 16:44:27 2020 No.4972935 >>4970145 I watch /pol/ material to laugh at them so joke's on you

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 19:34:42 2020 No.4973146 >>4964929 OP, what a fcking FAGGOT YOU ARE. FUCKING KILLYOURSELF SON OF A BITCH

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 20:41:12 2020 No.4973236 >>4964929 Daily reminder prager u had Dershowitz to say how Israel is the victim of Muslim attacks

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