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Why can't the people who has mastered fundies (or claim to have mastered fundies) actually draw?

>> No.4885106

You never see these people draw anything appealing, it's all either some study of some reference or some half painted "stylised" and "artistic" work.

>> No.4885111

>>4885106
>>4885100
Fuck are you talking about?

>> No.4885120

>>4885111
Hes seething about fundies

>> No.4885130

>>4885100
As109

>> No.4885131

>>4885120
>>4885111
Fundies are a waste of time and you'll learn it drawing normally anyway.

>> No.4885136

>>4885131
this

this is all u need to do,i learnt all my fundies of anatomy,perspective color theory and composition from just copying comic books when i was a kid
doing fundies by grinding equation lines all day is a complete fucking waste

>> No.4885139

>>4885131
Nah not really my art increased substantially once I actually learned how everything works in a 3d plane and how to subconsciously break shit into forms

>> No.4885141

>>4885131
Are you retarded? Have fun being a perma/beg/ lmao

>> No.4885143

>>4885141
We got one here, feel free to post your work.

>> No.4885154

>>4885136
NO YOU NEED TO GRIND SKELETONS AND DRAW 800 BOXES A DAY TO BE ABLE TO LOOMIS

>> No.4885155

>>4885131
This only works if you're talented.

>> No.4885157

>>4885143
Post yours first and then I'll do mine. I'd like to see what someone who learns fundies passively through just drawing makes.

>> No.4885159
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4885159

There’s literally nothing I can think of that’s more cringe than ngmi trying to "learn art" following random tutorials and advice on the internet. It’s like they’re so far off the mark I don’t even know where to begin with them. The average good artist, and even the above average, just exist and the things that you consider that they must have "learnt" just happened. No 16 year old pro artist you've seen on Twitter ever had to "grind fundies" or practice drawing squiggly lines, he just existed, and thought it would be cool try the style of his favourite artist and he could just visualise the form. They never thought about being how to best game social media to get traffic, there’s no thought out into any of this, these things just happened through the natural flow of life. That’s what happens when you’re talented or have an aptitude for art, you don’t ever find yourself one night lying in bed alone wondering why you still can't into perspective or your poses look stiff. You don’t devise a plan to follow some "art tutorial" written by some fag on reddit for six months in order to be able to draw. You just exist, you do your favourite thing every day, and you end up with a banging portfolio and a couple hundred thousand followers on twitter, with a some nice job and commission offers. If you missed out on this flow, it’s probably because you’re a complete ngmi.

>> No.4885190

>>4885159
Give and take. I will agree that some people just feel the form and never touch fundies. Others like Peter Han are much more analytical in their approach. Break everything down into a bunch of smaller moving parts that make uo the illustration
It really just depends on the indivual

>> No.4885207

>>4885139
How long did you draw before you focused on fundies? I think the people who swear on going full on fundies are people who have been drawing all their lives.

>> No.4885258
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4885258

>>4885157
I suppose the difference between someone who only does fundies and someone who draws is that the one who draws actually has work to show.

I know people who grind fundies all day, but w/e if it works it works for them.

>> No.4885328

I killed this thread RIP.
Not a single fundiementalist posted their work.

>> No.4885340

>>4885131
Dumb /beg/.

>> No.4885342

>>4885340
pyw

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4885350

>>4885258
Alright, you win, but only because you've been drawing for longer.

>> No.4885352

>>4885350
>fundie grinding
vs
>>4885258
>just draw

I think we can end this debate now.

>> No.4885363
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4885363

>>4885352
Yea, just draw and copy guys, don't think about it. The less competition the better for me, thanks.

>> No.4885365

>>4885363
pyw

>> No.4885366

>>4885258
post something finished

>> No.4885368

>>4885366
Sure, after you post something finished

>> No.4885369
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4885369

>>4885365

>> No.4885370

Dear lord this thread is just crashing and burning

>> No.4885371

>>4885370
dare I say fundies btfo?

>> No.4885374
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4885374

>>4885368
i am not the guy who asked you to pyw in first place and i mostly agree with your point anyway, but sure whatever

>> No.4885375

>>4885374
fundies btfo

>> No.4885378

>>4885365
No one worth anything is going to die on a hill trying keep some begs from eating shit. If you want to eat shit, go eat shit, I'm not going to stop you.

>>4885369
Not my work, but carry on jerking each other off.

>> No.4885380

>>4885100
bait threads are the worst
>>4885131
>>4885136
Not true. Fundamentals and studying help you become good faster. It's true they won't make you understand appeal though. That's a completely different thing. But mindless drawing and copying will make you improve slower.

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>>4885374
(Although you can find the full pic in one of the older /asg/ threads)

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4885385

>>4885381
i remember it, it was nice

>> No.4885410

>>4885378
No that you can do any better, begtard

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>>4885100
You know how do knows their fundies? The fag that drew that weeb image

>> No.4885432

>>4885412
>You know how do knows their fundies

>> No.4885450

>>4885159
Yeah I'm confused by /ic/ too. I think they've stockholm syndromed themselves into some stupid shit and now can't get out of it.

>> No.4885458

>>4885380
>be me
>fall for the fundies meme
>barely improve over 3 years
>start saying fuck it and only draw for fun, only study being copying other artists
>massive gains immediatly
Not saying the fundies didn't help, but I think the fastest way would've been if I did it the other way around.

>> No.4885463

>>4885190
>>4885450
You know that that's pasta right

>> No.4885464

>>4885458
What is the fundies meme that you fell for? What did you do for the 3 years?

If you grinded boxes thinking that's fundies, I got bad news for you.

>> No.4885494

>>4885100
>Learn the fundies
>Learn appeal

two completely different aspects of art, and of course, focusing only on one won't make the other come by itself

>> No.4885500

Most of ic thinks fundies = draw nothing but boxes.

>> No.4885503

>>4885458
Dude you got it all backwards, your "fundies" practice served you right, and built a nice base for you to build your style and appeal on top of. Not that the way you learnt was perfect, what you could've done instead was to draw for fun and study other artists AT THE SAME TIME as you did your fundies studies, you neglected one side of the coin whilst you should've been doing both

>> No.4885571

>>4885207
>I've only started drawing seriously with fundies 2 years ago
>but I've been drawing for fun since I was 7 years old :^)
Everytime

>> No.4885842

ITT "talentfags" who think their turds looks good

>> No.4885973

>>4885842
>t. seething talentless beg

>> No.4886039

>>4885159
this is quality talentposting.

>> No.4886056

>>4885973
hard work always triumphs talent

>> No.4886059

>>4885258
cuh

>> No.4886091

>>4886056
>Implying talentfags don't work hard too
Stay bad

>> No.4886118

>>4886039
>There’s literally nothing I can think of that’s more cringe than ngmi trying to "learn art" following random tutorials and advice on the internet. It’s like they’re so far off the mark I don’t even know where to begin with them. The average good artist, and even the above average, just exist and the things that you consider that they must have "learnt" just happened. No 16 year old pro artist you've seen on Twitter ever had to "grind fundies" or practice drawing squiggly lines, he just existed, and thought it would be cool try the style of his favourite artist and he could just visualise the form. They never thought about how to game social media to get traffic, there’s no thought into any of this, these things just happened through the natural flow of life. That’s what happens when you’re talented or have an aptitude for art, you don’t ever find yourself one night lying in bed alone wondering why you still can't into perspective or why your poses look stiff. You don’t devise a plan to follow some "art tutorial" written by some fag on reddit for six months in order to be able to draw. You just exist, you do your favourite thing every day, and you end up with a banging portfolio and a couple hundred thousand followers on twitter, with a nice job and commission offers. If you missed out on this flow, it’s probably because you’re a complete ngmi.

I fixed all the typos and duplicate words and it's ready to be copy-pasted into any talent-denialist threads.

>> No.4886143

>>4886091
they don't, keep sniffing your farts

>> No.4886363
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4886363

>in the end fundiesfags never posted art that was better than >>4885258
You guys are blowing it

>> No.4886380

>>4885155
This is very true, although you still need to make deliberate effort on you fundies if you want to be godlike.

>> No.4886402
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4886402

I'm not a madter, but I encourage studying the fundamentals but extremely against learning from youtubers and other online sources that clearly haven't mastered fundamentals. To be sure, just learn from books instead like Bridgeman or Hampton, I don't like loomis personally.

>> No.4886407

>>4885136
post your work

>> No.4886408

>>4886402
I meant master not madter, and sorry for the grammar and lots of buts lmao

>> No.4886409

>>4885131
literally the only fundie you need to 'grind' in any form is figure (gesture and anatomy), and that only if you plan on drawing the human figure

all other fundies will be gained naturally while drawing. if you're reading this right now and you're doing perspective exercises you are retarded

>> No.4886417

>>4886363
I don't negotiate with terrorists. If you want to see evidence that learning improves your skills (of all things) you can find it fucking everywhere.

>> No.4886419

>>4886409
Dumbfuck.

>> No.4886422

>>4886419
enjoy your endless fundie grinds with nothing to show for it, chimp

>> No.4886425

>>4886417
>I don't negotiate with terrorists.
Literally a line from a movie. Negotiating with terrorists actually works.

>> No.4886431

>>4886422
Enjoy just waiting and hoping.

>>4886425
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_negotiation_with_terrorists

>> No.4886437

>>4885100
What am I supposed to learn instead of the fundies if I want to draw like that then?

>> No.4886439

>>4886431
>Enjoy just waiting and hoping.
for what? you to stop chimping out? dumb nigger

>> No.4886441

>>4885131
>>4885136
Post your work, faggotrons.

>> No.4886443

>>4886439
Use context clues, retard.
This isn't complicated.

>> No.4886445

>>4886441
Them posting or not posting their work won't make them any less wrong. Don't sink to their level.

>> No.4886446
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4886446

>>4886441
the guy who learned from comics

>> No.4886449

>>4886443
>context clues
actual autism

>> No.4886452

>>4886449
Yes, I would say someone who cannot use context clues in a conversation to know what is being talked about exhibits signs of autism.

>> No.4886455

>>4886446
Nigger, are you for real? You honestly believe Kim Jung Gi hasn't studied the fucking fundamentals? Jesus, you're delusional.

>> No.4886459

>>4886455
Obviously he hasn't. He just drew.

>> No.4886464

>>4886459
>KIM Jung Gi is a Korean artist born in 1975, in Goyang-Si, which is situated in the province of Kyongki-Do (South Korea). He was 19 when he entered the Fine Arts School, where he majored in “Art & Design”. He studied three years at Dong-Eui university in Busan, on the South East coast of Korea. This school is famous for its technical courses.

>> No.4886465

>>4886437
Do studies. Copy their stuff exactly and figure out how they drew it.

>> No.4886468

>>4885106
>>4886196
Case in point

>> No.4886469

>>4886465
Studying from masters IS one of the fundamentals, know-nothing.

>> No.4886472

Fundies are very important, grinding them first saves time and keeps you from creating polished turds in the future.

>> No.4886476

>>4886469
The word "fundamentals" has a specific meaning relating to form, light, prespective, figure (gesture + anatomy) and whatever the crap drawabox.com pushes. It is the very construction of a drawing.

A master study is not a "fundmental" since it is not a fundamental aspect of drawing. Top tier Dunning-Kruger here.

>> No.4886479

>>4886476
Additionally, the discussion here is about whether deliberately practicing the fundamental aspects is helpful or not. No one is saying you don't need to understand the fundies to draw, the debate is on whether deliberate practice of fundies is better or is just drawing/studying (and passively learning the fundies) is better.

>> No.4886481
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4886481

Fundies are critical do not neglect them
At LEAST learn the human figure and anatomy

>> No.4886485

>>4886476
>and whatever the crap drawabox.com pushes
Imagine being so uneducated that you think drawabox invented the fundamentals of art.

And no, it's not an "aspect of drawing", but master studies ARE a one of the fundamental learning exercises

>deliberately practicing the fundamental aspects is helpful or not. No one is saying you don't need to understand the fundies to draw
Well then debate over, huh retard?

> whether deliberate practice of fundies is better or is just drawing/studying (and passively learning the fundies) is better.
In other words, you're hoping to just absorb it by osmosis.
You are a super special snowflake and you believe you can reinvent the wheel better than the whole of human history.

The lengths you idiots will go to to justify your own laziness is mind-boggling.

>> No.4886486

>>4886481
Damn, you're telling me with fundamentals I can do this?

>> No.4886490

>>4885100
>>4885106
>>4885131
>>4885136
>>4885154
>>4885159
>>4885258
>>4886446
>>4886465
This is why i did this. You guys have been arguing about this same topic for years.

https://youtu.be/ZsY9HO08_MQ

>> No.4886497

>>4885100
Why can't coomers learn how to draw women?

>> No.4886498

>>4886497
They don't care about the whole, only the specifics.

>> No.4886500

>>4886485
You're the /beg/tard who won't post his work so whatever you write is less than worthless.

>> No.4886501

>>4886500
lmfao
Keep coping. Maybe if you convince yourself that everyone else is just as bad as you, then you won't feel like you have to improve!

>> No.4886503

>>4886490
You can shill your video after you post your work.

>> No.4886506

>>4886501
Keep projecting retard. Prove me wrong by posting your work.

>> No.4886512

>>4886506
Keep coping, /beg/.

>> No.4886531

>>4886512
An entire thread later, not one person who does fundies actually posted their work that didn't look like /beg/ shit. Am I supposed to believe you'll do better? Stay /beg/ my friend.

>> No.4886536
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4886536

One fundiebro >>4886402 came forth and outdid >>4885258 by a mile the score is 1-1, it's your move funonly fags

>> No.4886537

>>4886531
I don't care what you believe.
It's no skin off my back if you keep yourself from improving.

>> No.4886538

fundamynuts, bitch

>> No.4886542

>>4886536
That's pretty beg. Don't let the rendering fool you.

>> No.4886548

>>4886542
And >>4885258 isn't?
You're a fucking joke.

>> No.4886549

>>4886548
Why are you seething so hard? Is it because I said the truth? Your drawing is shit, bro.

>> No.4886551

Jannies will nuke the proko thread but not this one

>> No.4886553

>>4886548
implying >>4885258 is /beg/. Did you see their render? >>4885381

/beg/ can do that?

>> No.4886556

>>4886549
It's not my drawing, idiot. I'm not stupid enough to post my art in shitposting threads, because I know damn well you faggots will just make some excuse like what you just did.


This guy >>4886536 is right, >>4886402 demonstrates substantially more skill than >>4885258.


>>4886553
He is most certainly /beg/, and very clearly less skilled than the guy that posted the dude in armor.
You have shit eyes.

>> No.4886557

>>4886556
So this is the power of fundies. Turns you into a DK.

>> No.4886559

>>4886556
Nah i can guarantee he's better than you
Pyw

>> No.4886560

how do I copy if Im a tradkek?

>> No.4886565

>>4886542
/beg/or not the anime artist got smoked ,so it's time to show that someone not studying fundies to do better than him.