/beg/ BEGINNER THREAD

[Anonymous No.4872464]

IF YOU ARE A /BEG/INNER IN ART, use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice.

previous thread >>4865423

READ THE STICKY for some guidance:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit#bookmark=id.15jx3pyuimvj

RESIZE YOUR IMAGES - preferably ~1000px, <1.1mb

BE ACTIVE AND PROVIDE FEEDBACK TO OTHERS - all it takes is a little feedback to give someone a lot of motivation.

Tutorial & Reference Collection
>http://pinterest.com/characterdesigh/

[Anonymous No.4872472]

can't handle color at all.
Tried to rip moebius off but couldn't do it :,(

[Anonymous No.4872478]

Anyone have guides for rendering I can start with?

[Anonymous No.4872483]

>>4872478
picked something out of my tutorial folder, maybe it helps

[Anonymous No.4872486]

>>4872464
IM G-GONNA D-DRAAAAAAAAW

[Anonymous No.4872492]

I find that it's much easier for me to draw for long stretches without getting distracted on paper compared to my tablet. everyone should have traditional days.

[Anonymous No.4872494]

[Anonymous No.4872507]

>>4872483
Thanks anon, I'll use it as one of my references.

[Anonymous No.4872514]

>>4872486
based coomer

[Anonymous No.4872525]

I watched the first Vilppu video from the video thread, but I don't feel I know how to apply what he said when drawing.

[Anonymous No.4872557]

>>4872525
You’re just checkering around lines without indicating weight form or movement.
Vilppus stuff looks caothic but the lines are always put with intent. Which one of his courses are you following?
Draw always from ref at this stage btw

[Anonymous No.4872615]

[Anonymous No.4872641]

needs more shadows

[Anonymous No.4872645]

>>4872494
>>4872615
taaaake oooon meee

[Anonymous No.4872666]

Hello,
I'm new.
I did the thing.
On the sticky.
Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.4872667]

>>4872557
I'm looking at the stuff in here:
https://mega.nz/#F!RIx3TJxJ!_Nna8t01kPxENJ8KSzXqwg!EUJHgKAZ

[Anonymous No.4872678]

>>4872666
Looking good satan, nice work on the hands especially.

[Anonymous No.4872708]

>>4872678
Thanks

[Anonymous No.4872741]

Heh. So how am i doing?

[Anonymous No.4872755]

Why does my IQ drop 40 points the second I try anime?

[Anonymous No.4872771]

I don't want to draw.
What can we argue today?

[Anonymous No.4872794]

1st time trying to do a realistic drawing from reference, I really don't know wtf I'm doing but I kinda dig how this turned out.

[Anonymous No.4872803]

>>4872755

When you first switch to anime / Disney, the change in proportions feels wack and the giant eyes get crammed into the bottom half of the skull.

It's hard if you've been drawing a normally proportioned Loomis to switch to an anime "Loomis". Don't beat yourself up.

It looks like you did a pretty sloppy construction. I know it's a pain in the ass to do a really careful one, but it DOES pay off, and the more you do it the less you need it for regular every day poses - eventually you'll just use it for hard head positions that you can't eyeball.

[Anonymous No.4872827]

First time trying to do a realistic drawing from reference, I really don't know wtf I'm doing but I kinda dig how this turned out.

[Anonymous No.4872844]

boobs

[Anonymous No.4872859]

>>4872803

>anime is 2d
>apply 3d construction
>????

[Anonymous No.4872862]

>>4872844
HNNNNNNNGGGGG
MUST COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMM

[Anonymous No.4872864]

>>4872859
this is, without a doubt, the most beg thing i have ever heard in my life

[Anonymous No.4872874]

Tried drawing a figure from imagination, it turned into garbage fast.

[Anonymous No.4872876]

>>4872859
All 2D art is 2D. Construction is the projection of 3D geometry into a 2D space.

Before someone says, "Oh well anime faces don't make sense from a 3D perspective so you shouldn't construct them", you should 100% construct the "impossible" Escher cube in 3D with a ruler and vanishing points, and that is much more of a fudge of geometry than the anime face is.

[Anonymous No.4872879]

>>4872864
>>4872876
I agree with you(s)

[Anonymous No.4872880]

>>4872879
Wow, he agreed

[Anonymous No.4872882]

>>4872874
Here's a beg thing, and I'm not picking on you specifically, but there's a lot of "I tried doing this thing and it came out bad," posts, as if that means you're just doing it wrong.

You should not set down roots on any single drawing and go "this is the one that determines if I've got what it takes". You will do HUNDREDS of figures from imagination before it starts to really click. That means your first 100 will probably all be bad, but the last one will be FAR beyond the first.

In this case, you just gotta go back and correct your proportions somewhat. The head is too small, the arm is too long, one hip is much bigger than the other.

[Anonymous No.4872935]

>>4872666
do not use paper with already printed on stuff
just go and buy printer paper and use that. it's very cheap. there's no excuse

[Anonymous No.4872941]

>>4872755
you need to take real anime and actually study how they do the style.
the proportions are often different, and everything is stylized in a consistent way... it's not like american cartoons where everything can be varied.
study anime faces hard, analyze proportions, analyze how they simplify/stylize the forms.

[Anonymous No.4872980]

>>4872472
Your values are all over the place. Check that first.

[Anonymous No.4872990]

>>4872980
Can you develop a bit more

[Anonymous No.4873018]

i'm able to keep proportions accurate by making the body x heads tall, comparing lengths of certain bones, etc. But how do I apply that with pose like this? How could I accurately place head and then ribcage with such body curvature and perspective without having reference photo?

[Anonymous No.4873020]

>>4873018
literal roastie

[Anonymous No.4873024]

>>4873020
virgin

[Anonymous No.4873025]

>>4873018
loomis explains this.

Yall really fell for the loomis is bad meme lmao.
protip : proportions hold in perspective

[Anonymous No.4873029]

>>4873024
she probably isn't those beefhangers reek of an exploded mangy cunt

[Anonymous No.4873042]

>>4873025
which book are you referring to here? I know pic related shit but the problem is that her neck and spine bending backwards makes it really difficult to apply this method

[Anonymous No.4873076]

Second attempt at drawing pose from imagination, limbs anatomy doesn't make sense.

[Anonymous No.4873079]

Tried following all the advice I was given, is this any better?

[Anonymous No.4873082]

Why is the viewing height/eye height always the same height as the horizon line?

I'm trying to intuit it but I can't for some reason. I know even in space it wouls still be the same height, so it's some property of just where the eye is in relation to the subjects. When tilted down or up, horizon line will be same but with 3 point perspective VP added. Kinda makes sense in space but why is it always always the same on Earth no matter how high up you fly? I guess because it's something about the angle you're looking at. Like it's relative so looking straight "ahead" will always mean looking directly at the horizon, even if you're really high up. So the eye tilt will track downwards with the Earth's horizon as you go up. Oh and I also realized the horizon is really just a flat ground plane from the camera. So it actually wouldn't necessarily be accurate for objects way far below on a different ground plane you if you're high up in the atmosphere.

[Anonymous No.4873088]

>>4873076
Think of something for your character to do if you are drawing something from imagination

Imagine them in a scene and draw them mid interaction.
>posing with a drink
>taking a selfie
>waiting for the bus
>late for the bus
>jumping over a puddle
>grocery shopping
>preparing for an attack

Floating anime girls are tricky unless you imagine full coom
>pressing tits together
>showing off ass and tits at the same time
>showing off feet ass and tits at the same time
>pulling down pants
>lifting shirt
>getting abused

[Anonymous No.4873092]

[Anonymous No.4873115]

>>4873092
Incredibly based fish i like it

[Anonymous No.4873119]

I'm stuck in this weird rut for the past week where I can't move past the extremely rough sketch stage and I'm not sure why.
How do I get out of this? I want to learn instead of comfort zoning random sketches all the time

[Anonymous No.4873120]

I feel like there's something fundamentally unappealing about the way I draw stuff?

[Anonymous No.4873126]

>>4873079
Face is little off, stuff like nose and everything else. Clothes is messy but ok for its own style.

You have many edges, apply shadows on it.
Hard round brush, not scratches.

[Anonymous No.4873133]

>>4873088
coomer wisdom

[Anonymous No.4873154]

I was always a lineart guy, decided to start exploring rendering now. It's interesting, but it's still difficult for me to pick colors outside the coloring book approach (ie. "skin should be peach, hair is black..."). Any advice for anyone who has been on the same boat?

[Anonymous No.4873180]

>>4873120
Not beg, get out

[Anonymous No.4873199]

>>4873180
I doubt it, can I get a second opinion?

[Anonymous No.4873226]

>>4873120
its not the drawing thats the problem, its the coloring draw friend

[Anonymous No.4873227]

>>4873120
It's your shading bru

[Anonymous No.4873228]

>>4873120
flat facial features, undefined muddy planes which makes him look pudgy. Prolly harder lighting would help you really make those abs pop. And pay no mind to the /beg/ purists they literally do not matter and can't even draw lmao

[Anonymous No.4873233]

>>4873226
>>4873227
Can you elaborate?

[Anonymous No.4873244]

>>4872827

I'm finally able to cross this off the bucket list. It's not great but I'm surprised how this turned out, didn't know I had in me. Any tips on how to draw hair? especially white hair.

[Anonymous No.4873257]

>>4872464
Can someone redpill me on side views? I cant for the life of me figure it out.

[Anonymous No.4873258]

>>4873244
That's bretty damn good anon. Like you said, the hair needs work and some of the highlights on the face are a little off, but it's an impressive likeness overall.

[Anonymous No.4873270]

>>4872990
>>4873233
>please elaborate
lol most people here are just using buzzwords they read somewhere once.
Check the shading bruv its the edges bruv trust me bruv its the gesture bruv. If they knew and wanted to be helpful they’d explain themselves from the word go

[Anonymous No.4873277]

>>4873270
can you help me then :(

[Anonymous No.4873281]

>>4873258
Thanks man, maybe I'll fix it a bit in the future when I figure out hair and lighting.

[Anonymous No.4873283]

Watch this video, leave some likes, comments and subscribe uWu
https://youtu.be/7t3tIUXT5Yc

[Anonymous No.4873294]

>>4873180
you're tricked by the rendering, he's pretty beg

[Anonymous No.4873332]

>>4873079
This is pretty cool, like manga-ish
>>4872827
This is nice, especially for your 1st time.
>>4872494
Looks really cool

[Anonymous No.4873352]

Where do I begin? I keep getting told different sources, traditional instead of digital, digital instead of traditional, draw a box not keys to drawing, peter han not draw a box

I feel like I'm losing my mind

[Anonymous No.4873358]

>>4873270
If you want my honest opinion, its fucking UGLY. Research what makes things not look ugly

[Anonymous No.4873359]

>>4873352
STICKY

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit#bookmark=id.15jx3pyuimvj

[Anonymous No.4873373]

>>4873358
What is? I haven’t posted my work (I don’t post it on /beg/) i was just laughing at your retarded critique. This is why you won’t make it btw

[Anonymous No.4873374]

>>4873352
It's always that way, very frustrating I know.

To start with, I assure you you can learn the fundamentals in digital or traditional, so pick which one you think looks fun.

Just draw for a couple of weeks, have fun with it, and don't stress about it too much. If you are feeling like you want to keep doing what you're doing, great. If you're feeling like you want to start a learning path, start with perspective. My own opinion is that Peter Han is better when you're more advanced, Draw a Box is definitely the beginner program, but it IS dull. I'm not familiar with Keys to Drawing but it does get brought up a lot. Whichever you do is fine, but, make sure you're working hard enough to really understand it, but not so hard that you're bored to death (perspective is a very rigid topic without a lot of "style" leeway).

Don't stress too much about your starting off point - your ambition, dedication, intensity will get you to your destination if you want to get there. After a few months if you're really trying you'll know a lot better where you need to go.

[Anonymous No.4873380]

>>4873233
Ill go in detail than instead of mentioning a complex word such as "coloring."

The hair has no large defying shapes, the way you shaded his coat that floats above the skin makes it look really flat on his left side, the muscular structure, specifically on his abs doesnt make sense here, along with the fact that he is missing a clavicle, trapezoids, and seriously just look at pic related to understand where you went wrong near the neck area. and the coloring/shading style you went with for the skin does not match his armor. I cant tell you how to fix your coloring/shading since im still just studying that myself, but I do know the general rule of coloring in shapes and not depending on lines for describing form which, for the hair + eyebrows you seemed to break the rule. You did describe the form correctly for his face structure/muscles however so I will give you that.

[Anonymous No.4873382]

>>4873374
Forgot to post pic related

[Anonymous No.4873387]

>>4873380
Forgot to post pic related

[Anonymous No.4873390]

quick question boys, do you take notes while watching a course?

[Anonymous No.4873391]

>>4873352
Its not math. There is no one correct logical way to do things. Do it however you want, as long as you feel like you are learning or going the direction where you want to with your art, then it literally doesnt matter how you get there

[Anonymous No.4873396]

>>4873082
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H-DYdKYkqk&ab_channel=DanBeardshaw

[Anonymous No.4873403]

>prayed to God to help me better understand how to draw forms that look and feel solid when twisted and in other odd stretching positions because I’ve been struggling with this for a long time
>instantly felt a strong urge to pull out one of my kneaded erasers
>realized you can stretch and form these guys into all sorts of really weird shapes and then sketch them
>my feel for form in twisted positions has changed so much now and drapery also feels very easy when that used to be really challenging for me
Thank you, Jesus.

[Anonymous No.4873412]

Any advice on how to properly connect things to the torso? I have trouble figuring out how the neck and the arms are suppose to connect to it

[Anonymous No.4873415]

>>4873018
You have to use the measurements you CAN see (i.e. those least foreshortened or similarly foreshortened) to estimate where everything goes.

Generally you'd start by eyeballing it (gesture) construct as best you can to get the forms right, then measure you check your work.

If you ABSOLUTELY cannot tell where something goes, you can draw a perspective box around the character, draw the pose in 2D from directly in front and directly to the side, and measure from those angles to plot the location of a joint / feature (see ModernDayJames on youtube for how to do this) but you usually won't need to go so far.

Also... Get into the pose (feeling it helps you draw it) and if you're drawing without reference there's no better time to take a picture of yourself doing the pose so you have reference anyway.

After a while, only the hardest poses need so much care (and really... you only need to be so close to fool the viewer, even Kim Jung Gi makes mistakes who cares).

[Anonymous No.4873424]

>>4873415
fuckin roastie

[Anonymous No.4873433]

>>4873018
Yoooo that shit looks like its about to fall off at any moment wtf

[Anonymous No.4873436]

>>4873433
and look at those hands lmao.
plenty of more femenine traps with aesthetic penises out there

[Anonymous No.4873488]

Ok... no real idea where else to ask this. I hope someone has some advice.

I've sen loads of tutorials of artists that draw/render on greyscale, then put a colored layer on top, and voilá, automatic good coloring.

I have NEVER been able to do that. I can only do decent colors if I'm painting with a palette from the get go. Grayscale + layer magic has never worked out for me, it's always a washed out mess.

Here's a sketch, I've tried several layer modes and the only "decent" one was linear burn at 45% (and even so it looks awful). Am I an idiot? What am I missing here? Did I fall for a meme?

[Anonymous No.4873494]

>>4873415
good lord those meat flaps

[Anonymous No.4873498]

>>4873415
dios mio

[Anonymous No.4873500]

>>4873424
>>4873433
>>4873494
Why are you guys being mean? She's posing for free. don't need to make fun of of her for doing nothing wrong

[Anonymous No.4873505]

>>4873500
would call you a white knight but u honestly have a point here lol

[Anonymous No.4873507]

is learning to draw with a mouse at all something I should bother with?

[Anonymous No.4873510]

>>4873500
They can only relate to a human body in terms of something you can jerk off to, not as something to be reckoned with artistically.

NGMIncels

[Anonymous No.4873513]

>>4873500
>she does it for free
wew

[Anonymous No.4873512]

>>4873507
If it's all you have, sure whatever, but you are much better off doing just about anything, including just ballpoint on notebook paper.

[Anonymous No.4873514]

>>4873507
just do traditional, you never see a mad man use a mouse for drawing

[Anonymous No.4873518]

>>4873507
Not at all. Pen and paper is better for fundies anyways

[Anonymous No.4873525]

>>4872483
>>4873415
baste and very useful thanks

[Anonymous No.4873533]

Has anyone ever tried to realistically draw with a mouse before and gotten good at it?

[Anonymous No.4873535]

>>4873500
She needs to grow a bush so we dont have to see it that much, because god DAYUM that shit looks scary

[Anonymous No.4873540]

>>4873533
I've done some decent things with a mouse but skill with one doesn't at all translate to any other method of drawing

[Anonymous No.4873546]

>>4873533
I have seen some very middling art done with a mouse (generally photobash type stuff). I haven't seen anything really great. I'm sure it exists.

Art is hard enough as it is, why add this additional obstacle. You'll never be able to relate it to tutorials that expect something pressure sensitive.

[Anonymous No.4873583]

>charming
Thanks anon, but I have a long way to go. Of which this weekend is going to be finishing the course I'm in and then restarting it from the beginning to put it all to the test.

The character I've been drawing aren't a part of it. It's just been me practicing loomis head, and spacing/location to pass the time as I write notes on the course.

Once I finish this course up I'll be starting another fundamental course that is more in depth.

[Anonymous No.4873587]

>>4871923
>charming
Thanks anon, but I have a long way to go. Of which this weekend is going to be finishing the course I'm in and then restarting it from the beginning to put it all to the test.

The character I've been drawing aren't a part of it. It's just been me practicing loomis head, and spacing/location to pass the time as I write notes on the course.

[Anonymous No.4873594]

>>4873433
>>4873436
>>4873498
>>4873535
Guess how I know your ass a virgin.

[Anonymous No.4873602]

>>4873594
Why do you type like a negro?
Why must you have a fetish for beef hangers?

[Anonymous No.4873624]

any advice on blocking in my tones better?

[Anonymous No.4873637]

>>4873624
The shapes of the value spaces are defined by the surface so really look for the “design” it forms. Very rarely it will be loose and inconsistent in young humans. It’s a matter of being more mindful. Also simplify simplify simplify. A clear shape is better than an unclear one, even if it sacrifices some details

[Anonymous No.4873658]

>>4873594
You write like a 15 yr old girl

[Anonymous No.4873664]

help i need help with the right hand on the chick on the right. I just cant figure out a decent angle.
also, adding more values to it is a good idea?

[Anonymous No.4873665]

>>4873658
most of these "sassy bitch" posts are written by men on HRT. Ironically the ugliest, poorest, most antisocial rung of society trying to dunk on normal people for being rejects lol.

[Anonymous No.4873669]

>>4873664
Thumbnail looked so great ;-;

[Anonymous No.4873670]

>>4873637
thanks. gonna have another crack at it tomorrow

[Anonymous No.4873674]

>>4873669
i think thats a sign that at least some proportions, color values and composition are decent, right??
right???

[Anonymous No.4873680]

[Anonymous No.4873682]

>>4872741
Very good! Keep it up.

[Anonymous No.4873687]

>>4873664
looks good so far anon

[Anonymous No.4873694]

>>4873687
thanks!
im actually a recent art gradutate that fallen to the contemporary art meme.
right now im trying to catch up with my slack on traditional drawing. My biggest problem is that i have an absolute ogre-heavy hand, making my pencil drawings sometimes very dirty and cluttered.
Teacher used to say that thats was my "style", but idk man, i want to get better..

[Anonymous No.4873742]

I call this one “stuck in /beg/int/ purgatory “

[Anonymous No.4873748]

Would tracing something and then trying to construct it afterwards be a good idea?

[Anonymous No.4873751]

>>4873742
Why is this so flat? Can someone pls redline what they think is wrong with the construction and volumes’ perspective?

[Anonymous No.4873776]

>>4873742
Seems like you couldn’t decide the lightsource you wanted to use

[Anonymous No.4873780]

>>4872483
Have it a whirl with my copics. Thanks for posting. Was fun.

[Anonymous No.4873783]

If there is no /int/ thread around, are /int/ inhabitants allowed here?

[Anonymous No.4873785]

>>4873783
if you are INT you shouldn't be wasting your time here

[Anonymous No.4873790]

>>4873783
There are no /int/ threads. Just post your work to the draw thread

[Anonymous No.4873792]

>>4873748
I've done that before. It gives you a good idea of how it was drawn

[Anonymous No.4873795]

>>4872483
i cant tell the difference between the middle three

[Anonymous No.4873800]

[Anonymous No.4873813]

I made this using watercolor for the background and characters and then digital painting for the weird roots/tentacles

Am I polishing a turd or is this okay ?

[Anonymous No.4873826]

>>4873813
Background looks very good
Dude on the top looks goofy and off
Rotten dude looks OK

[Anonymous No.4873827]

>>4873813
This looks pretty trippy. I like it. I'm not sure what more you could do to it though, looks good to me

[Anonymous No.4873846]

>>4873826
Yeah i wanted to make it so that the dude on top would look uncounscious but i can't wrap my head around it without reference

[Anonymous No.4873891]

>>4873813
It's a cool enough concept that it's not a turd though the dude on top looks shitty. If it was mine I would flip the canvas and do a paint over if that character.

[Anonymous No.4873914]

>>4873694
>
Oh lord.

[Anonymous No.4873916]

>tfw getting filtered by fun with a pencil
it never even began for me, bros. I think I might be retarded

[Anonymous No.4873925]

>>4873813
Do more landscapes and add dynamic figures digitally, but only silhouettes like some dude waving or jumping. They'll help you to exaggerate the form and wrap your head around perspective without worrying about fabrics and shadows etc.

[Anonymous No.4873949]

[Anonymous No.4873959]

>>4873813
Annihilation is pretty good

[Anonymous No.4874002]

>>4873018
steroids?

[Anonymous No.4874012]

Made this

[Anonymous No.4874037]

>>4873949
loomis

[Anonymous No.4874046]

>>4872876
Isn't an animu head just a deformed baby head with some hollow sockets for the eyes?

[Anonymous No.4874065]

what's the point in figure drawing when you can't even draw lines where you want them to go

i can't even trace images properly, nevermind copy a reference

what's the best way of improving dexterity?

i've been practising pic attached

[Anonymous No.4874067]

>>4874065
i also can't draw straight lines for shit

[Anonymous No.4874082]

>>4873780
ugh i was feeling pretty good about this and my friend just asked me if it was supposed to be a drawing of a heart. I am truly ngmi.

[Anonymous No.4874089]

>>4874012
nice but resize your shit

[Anonymous No.4874108]

>>4874065
try some of the early draw a box or peter han dynamic sketching exercises, other than that just have to put the time in, your brain will get there

[Anonymous No.4874109]

>>4874065
Keep at that and the basic lines version of it. The elispse one is really more for sizing, while the lines one and ghosting practice is better for getting the lining right.

But overall the best method is just to draw and make sure to try and actually do it, no matter if you mess it up. It's about getting the thought process down, noting your mistakes and attemting to fix them. Don't revert back to scratching unless you are roughing out an idea. Which is completely okay to do. Don't listen to the faggots here who make nonsense statements about everything has to be a perfect confident line all the time, they are the real NGMI because they are hung up on shit and not moving forward.

[Anonymous No.4874142]

>>4872472
I think the "bright room" can be desaturated a bit so your focus characters (the girl as the primary, then the dad as the secondary) can add more impact. Most of the problems I think are just from color theory/picking the right colors.


Studying rooms like pic related can help to add that "calm" feeling that contrasts with the chaotic outside environment. And also, I would change the background of having a giant meteor hit a planet clearly over just a bunch of ambiguous meteors flying about. But this is just based on my personal interpretation of your pic (which could be wrong)

Another thing to look at is the edge of your lights/shadows, as well as where you want to put the "main focus point" of your composition. The lights/shadows will vary when you've chosen where you will put your main focus point.

but idk I'm a beginner too so take my words with a grain of salt.

[Anonymous No.4874184]

Just put a bullet in me already

[Anonymous No.4874191]

>>4874184
You ain't having fun?

[Anonymous No.4874203]

>>4874191
I'm not, I'm a retard. He lays it out like some really easy method, just casual doodles. But I'm so fucking handicapped I can't even make it appealing.

[Anonymous No.4874237]

>>4874203
do your best to give him a body and a finger pointing out.
then put a caption like "Sonny boy, you remind me of someone who's gay."

[Anonymous No.4874243]

I've been bad. Barely drew for the last couple weeks. It's been two months since I drew something I was proud of. BUT I'VE HAD A HUNDRED FREE HOURS FOR VIDYA THOUGH.

Following Da Vinci's advice here to draw both the very beautiful and the very ugly. Not following Da Vinci's advice of mastering perspective first.

[Anonymous No.4874244]

>>4874065
I can barely can put boxes in mines kek

[Anonymous No.4874249]

Started this last week. This was going to be for somebody's birthday. I was supposed to draw the body too. But I got bored and played vidya instead.

[Anonymous No.4874255]

>>4874203
Loomis had decades of practice. Of course his will be better. All he is trying to teach you is that drawings are constructed out of simple 3-d volumes.

[Anonymous No.4874257]

>>4873742
I really like this.

[Anonymous No.4874259]

>>4874249
out of beg now

[Anonymous No.4874266]

>>4874249
who is that guy

[Anonymous No.4874270]

>>4874266
Jason Morgan, Armani model.
>>4874259
I detect sarcasm

[Anonymous No.4874276]

the fucks going on with /ic/

[Anonymous No.4874280]

>>4872464
How long does it take for you to start forgetting shit/getting rusty? I've been getting into art as a hobby and I have a shit load of things to do and could only get in 15 minutes today as opposed to the usual 30-60.
I understand I don't have really any skill to maintain but I worry.

[Anonymous No.4874294]

>>4872472

[Anonymous No.4874313]

>>4874203
casual doodles are not easy m8. people always fool themselves about that.

[Anonymous No.4874339]

>>4874255
>Loomis had decades of practice. Of course his will be better. All he is trying to teach you is that drawings are constructed out of simple 3-d volumes.
Not the Anon you responded to but - I feel like I'm kidding myself. I'm 22 and only just now figured out how to draw nice looking cubes and cones.

[Anonymous No.4874347]

>>4874339
>he didn't start drawing cubes and cones while in the womb

[Anonymous No.4874348]

>>4874347

[Anonymous No.4874351]

Can I get critique for this? I feel like something's up with her torso but I don't know what.

[Anonymous No.4874353]

>>4874339
Handicapped loomis head anon here, can I see your cubes?

[Anonymous No.4874354]

>>4874351
too long

[Anonymous No.4874357]

>>4873795
SSS -> AO: look around the big creases (left arm over chest, chest over right arm, between the pecs)
AO -> fresnel: notice how the light gets more reflected around the left edge, away from the viewer (you)

[Anonymous No.4874363]

>>4873082
You see the top of what's below you
You see the bottom of what's above you
What happens when something is neither above you nor below you? You see neither the top nor bottom; that's the horizon, where it transitions

[Anonymous No.4874376]

>>4874351

[Anonymous No.4874379]

>>4873082
Correct. Above Earth curve alts. it's not really valid (which is to say there is still a centerline to your view but it isn't associated with common earth vantage points where the furthest possible visible point is along the horizon line).

[Anonymous No.4874385]

>>4874184
the point of loomis is to draw without the guidelines

[Anonymous No.4874387]

>>4874385
the book literally instructs to draw them

[Anonymous No.4874392]

>>4874387
better advice is just draw freehand with loomis fundamentals in mind so you won't feel constraint on drawing inside the circle

[Anonymous No.4874433]

How do I draw mathematically correct perspective?

[Anonymous No.4874440]

>>4874351
There are just a bunch of small things that add up to a slightly wonky figure. I've gone and made the character a little stouter and chunkier for clarity, but the proportions aren't too important.
I think much of the figure looks rather formless or floaty, there there are a lot of vague connections that would benefit from some cross contour lines. The elbow joints on the arms especially, the lines become wispy and unclear. Define it clearly! Overlapping lines can really help the viewer understand what's going on with the forms, if a figure is all outlines it leads to ambiguity.
Skin tight clothing is a great tool for defining forms, too. The sleeves, cuffs, bottoms of shirts, pant holes, etc. should wrap around the form convincingly. It seems like a small thing, but it's very important, so don't skimp out on them.
I think you've got a strong foundation to build upon here. All my notes are fairly nitpicky and are things that come with practice and an understanding of the figure. Studying some basic anatomy would help you a bunch, just so you can start putting down some confident, well-informed land marks. I hope this helps

[Anonymous No.4874451]

When I draw something and post it anywhere here on 4chan I get no replies, it is because my art is boring? Unappealing? Fundamentally bad?, I don't know about the latter because I have seen quick dumb doodles yet they get lots of replies

[Anonymous No.4874455]

>>4874440
fucking based

[Anonymous No.4874461]

is this why pro artists always cringe at youtube? doesn’t help that the guy is a basedface too

[Anonymous No.4874462]

>>4874451
>no image

[Anonymous No.4874463]

>>4874461
onions is filtered to based now? you know what? i really can’t complain

[Anonymous No.4874464]

baseball!

[Anonymous No.4874465]

>>4874464
I'd let her base my ball

[Anonymous No.4874468]

>>4874462
Oh yeah sorry, this is the latest thing I drew for a thread, did it in 30 mins

[Anonymous No.4874469]

>>4873415
dudes talking about her pussy, I'm just here thinking about what the fuck is going on with her hand.

looks like an 80 yo

[Anonymous No.4874470]

>>4874468
fuck off man

[Anonymous No.4874471]

>>4874464
think about how that head would rotate in 3D space to see where you fucked up. and the hair is kind of lazy. i like it other than that.

[Anonymous No.4874473]

>>4874470
w-what??

[Anonymous No.4874481]

Am I getting better? I mean, in what?
Didn't bother with her feet, I don't know how to do that, very simple although it took me a while.

[Anonymous No.4874482]

>>4874294
this looks rapey now

[Anonymous No.4874483]

>>4874481
Her head is at the wrong angle and hatching is complicated
lots of mistakes

[Anonymous No.4874504]

>>4874470
bro please tell what's wrong with it

[Anonymous No.4874507]

>>4874481
You’re getting better at eyeballing proportion

[Anonymous No.4874513]

Messing around with character designs. I think he looks interesting.
>haha doo loomis
no I'm not trying to draw realistic I'm drawing simplistic and easy

[Anonymous No.4874517]

>>4874513
bro, with loomis you can improve that

[Anonymous No.4874521]

>>4874517
I used loomis for a while and I just didn't like the way it looked, I want to make it look better though. I'm drawing alot but I haven't been doing faces lately just bodies so they dont looks as good as I want. I know the "muh style" is a meme but muh style and loomis look bad together

[Anonymous No.4874523]

>>4873795
Probably because you don't understand what the terms are. Look up all three separately (subsurface, ambient occlusion and fresnel effect), get informed, understand it and improve.

[Anonymous No.4874524]

>>4874521
Is not that you should assimilate loomis style, is that you learn the anatomy, and how and object is positioned on a 3D space, the guy on top left of your pic has the left side of his face more larger than his right, you are chicken scraching a lot, even for the simple stuff you say needs basic use of measure and proportions

[Anonymous No.4874527]

>>4874524
look for example at Nichijou's hands, they are really simple looking in terms of lines and color, but anatomicaly are really developed

[Anonymous No.4874528]

>>4874513
ngmi

[Anonymous No.4874538]

>>4874527
I found another good example, anime or anything simple borrows fundamentals

[Anonymous No.4874541]

working on this

[Anonymous No.4874544]

>>4874521
loomis is just building things out of basic forms. if you think it doesn't work with your style then you are very firmly in muh style territory

[Anonymous No.4874575]

>>4874468
>>4874470
>>4874473
see? this is what I don't get, why do I get ignored everytime I post art? even if it has mistakes please tell me what they are
>>4874541
you are over using brush textures, start simple and then use them

[Anonymous No.4874578]

>>4873018
that's it i'm gay now

[Anonymous No.4874587]

>>4874513
>thinks fundies don't apply to everything
ngmi

[Anonymous No.4874591]

>>4874294
That’s pretty cool! Thanks for the paintover anon

[Anonymous No.4874598]

>>4874203
Everyone starts somewhere, keep it up.

[Anonymous No.4874605]

sick of perspective and construction bros
i want to draw figures

[Anonymous No.4874611]

>>4874605
figures use perspective and construction, you can't be sick of it

[Anonymous No.4874613]

>>4874605
just draw figures then, pussy.

[Anonymous No.4874625]

I'm only just starting out, but a friend bought me a tablet. Is it reasonable to start out drawing using a tablet?

[Anonymous No.4874630]

Any tips to draw better spruce in pastel? Want it to be completely covered in snow

[Anonymous No.4874633]

>>4874625
its fine, get to drawing

[Anonymous No.4874636]

>>4874630
Forgot pic
Filters not life like

[Anonymous No.4874638]

>>4874636
>>4874630
Spruces are never fully covered in snow, its a biological thing that denies it, paint the branches below the snow

[Anonymous No.4874642]

>>4874633
Aye aye. I'm starting with Drawabox, hopefully soon you'll get to see my horrid excuse for what a human being should look like.

[Anonymous No.4874644]

>>4874638
here

[Anonymous No.4874646]

>>4874642
good start, cheers anon

[Anonymous No.4874653]

>>4874638
>>4874644
>never fully covered in snow
Lapland disagrees

[Anonymous No.4874658]

i realized something about my art recently. i think some shits happened in my brain that make me subconususly draw the same way i write; having alot of premade symbols and shit i do over and over. it makes everything i do look pretty much the same and is probably liked to my asd. is there anyway to stop being retarded enough to do this?

[Anonymous No.4874665]

>>4874653
Well I've never seen snow before, one learns something everyday

[Anonymous No.4874704]

im struggling with this mother fucker of an angle

[Anonymous No.4874705]

>>4874665
I deed eet!

[Anonymous No.4874709]

>>4874704
yeah ngmi

[Anonymous No.4874711]

>>4874575
I think they hate the subject maybe, I would critique your work if I were good enough

[Anonymous No.4874718]

>>4874709
i looked up as close as i could get the angle of the blade, bad references idk, i just cant picture the angle its such a derp angle of a weapon im trying to make seem like its something

[Steroids toad No.4874736]

[Anonymous No.4874739]

>>4872645
taaaaake meeeeee ooooooooon

[Anonymous No.4874743]

>>4873403
This is unironically brilliant

[Anonymous No.4874750]

What size sketchbooks do you guys prefer? I usually find myself working on a 9x12" one but sometimes I'll use a 14x17" for bigger stuff.

[Anonymous No.4874773]

>>4874743
settle down

[Anonymous No.4874833]

I havent taken a course on rendering yet, which im about to. One from the vid course sticky. So i decided to make a /beg/ before image. Hopefully my "after" image will show progress. Also learning how to use brushes other than hard round is tricky.

[Anonymous No.4874852]

[Anonymous No.4874855]

>>4874833
you’re not going to see much, if any, progress from a greyscale rendition of a sphere with one light.
use a jaggy rock, plays cast, bargue plates or something else irregularly shaped

[Anonymous No.4874859]

Thoughts? What should i add to the foreground?

[Anonymous No.4874882]

>>4874736
Where did you get this picture of me

[Anonymous No.4874901]

>>4874855
Ah, ok got it.

[Anonymous No.4875024]

>>4872935
Sorry, i just took whatever paper was near me in the office. I bought a drawing tablet yesterday tho so it won't be a problem anymore

[Anonymous No.4875091]

>>4874859
an ice horse

[Anonymous No.4875094]

>>4875024
Tablets are great, but you should definitely still have access to at least a stack of copy paper and a cheap pencil. For some reason I find it way easier to start drawing If I'm working traditionally as opposed to on my computer. I'd recommend working traditionally for a few days a month to every digitalfriend out there - it teaches you valuable lessons about line economy and pen control that are hard (not impossible) to learn digitally. Plus, there's nothing more satisfying than finally finishing a densely filled sketchbook or cramming the last sheet of paper in that overflowing expanding folder.

[Anonymous No.4875097]

>>4874852
that's one big head

[Anonymous No.4875107]

>>4875091
Gaaay, unless youre talking about that creepy dead horses in the snow image

[Anonymous No.4875108]

Got a tablet for my birthday a few years back and finally decided to put it to use and get into the daily grind with all the free time I've got.
Issue is that I've literally never put pen to paper with the intention of making art, and even the stuff in the sticky seems overwhelming to me. I keep hyper-focusing on all the different resources I could be using and just end up doing nothing.
Anyone got advice for the most beginner of beginners?

[Anonymous No.4875137]

>>4875108
Just start with drawing on the right side of the brain or keys to drawing. Both are good, and PDFs are available for both so you can check them out and pick your favorite. Don't worry about too much else in the sticky until you're through one of them.

[Anonymous No.4875142]

>>4875108
just get a book from sticky like keys to drawing and read it? its really simple, just commit to a book most of the beginner ones share same info anyways so dont get too caught up in which book is the best, when you want to focus on the issues in your art say perspective then ok you can read perspective made easy etc

[Anonymous No.4875173]

I made this using the original concept art as a reference. It didn't turn out 100% but I like it, gonna add colours now.

[Anonymous No.4875192]

>>4875097

[Anonymous No.4875197]

>>4875137
>>4875142
Alrighty, thanks. I've been bouncing between those, Loomis, Drawabox, and some other stuff and wasn't sure where to really start.
I'll give these books a look.

[Anonymous No.4875209]

>>4875197
the sticky literally tells you to start with those books

[Anonymous No.4875236]

How is it?

[Anonymous No.4875240]

>>4875236
WOW that is a HUGE arm and hand holy shit

[Anonymous No.4875242]

How is it?

[Anonymous No.4875250]

>>4875242
>>4875240

Idk why you deleted and reposted but my comment still stands.

[Anonymous No.4875251]

drawings fucking hard shit takes hours

[Anonymous No.4875253]

>>4875192
Over all this is good. Can you post the ref? There are a few issues I see:

1) The planes of the head do not align with facial features. The angle of the eyebrows seems to be off and it doesn't seem to curve around the skull at the right place. It could be that the rear eye needs to be tucked in further and make more space for the cheekbone because the closer eye seems to have a massive cheekbone in front of it.

2) The top lip philtrum and the way the far lip curves doesn't seem to follow the nose too well. Again, goes back to #1 - the facial features seem too "flat" compared to the head. They need to curve with the head. The peaks of the philtrum also seem slight too exaggerated, but that's not a big deal.

Take a look at those two.

Post ref anyway, I'd like to see what the fuck the thing actually looks like.

[Anonymous No.4875257]

>>4875250
I posted huge scan instead of scaled down version.
Anything besides huge arm?

[Anonymous No.4875259]

How to improve this?
Also why is the hand so garbage

[Anonymous No.4875266]

>>4875259
Darken it.

[Anonymous No.4875297]

>>4875266
Is this better?

[Anonymous No.4875309]

Someday i will reach alke's level ...

[Anonymous No.4875324]

>>4874859
push the blue values darker

[Anonymous No.4875370]

>>4873415
>>4873018
maaan I wanna lick that pussy so bad, suckle on it

[Anonymous No.4875374]

>>4875253
I took liberties
I can see the near cheekbone not matching the face, I tried making the plane change sit a bit higher rather than changing the outline, since this was mostly a rendering exercise.
I see the philtrum being off, I tried fixing that and giving her a bit more existent chin while I was at it, not sure what you mean by the far lip curve

[Anonymous No.4875376]

>>4875253
also, here’s the ref

[Anonymous No.4875418]

This was the last thing I drew for a game me and my buddy was planning to make back in high school. Nothing came out of it like every other high school dream project.
But recently I've had a sudden surge of motivation to get back to drawing. I want to learn how to actually draw and do better art than this, please let me know where to improve.

[Anonymous No.4875426]

>>4875374
Much better, although you're really making her blocky now, so now you can go in and render it out to smooth her a bit.

Don't treat rendering as separate from drawing, especially for the facial features. It has to lock in otherwise it will look uncanny.

>far lip curve

Terrible at explaining things sometimes. I meant the way the top lip curves away from us into the distance. You fixed that as well.

One last thing to really make it lock in - her eyebrow doesn't peak as much as you have it, and has an overall downslope look to it, whereas your eyebrow seems to travel upwards the whole time.

Pretty sure you saw that anyway considering how far you've gotten.

Great work.

PS. The near eye is too damn fucking large.

[Anonymous No.4875451]

>>4875426
yeah, I didn’t like what I’d done as soon as I posted it
think I’ll leave it at this for now and go do something else
thanks for the help

[Anonymous No.4875466]

>>4874507
Is that how I should I go about it, I dont know construction so its basically an outline

[Anonymous No.4875477]

>>4875418
Huston, Vilppu, Hampton. Copy drawings by artists you like, study them and make your own drawings trying to mimic their style. Use reference.

[Anonymous No.4875492]

>>4874711
damn

[Anonymous No.4875495]

>>4875251
Yeah that keyblade isn't big enough yet keep going you basically shouldn't be able to see the guy holding it at all he's not important

[Anonymous No.4875563]

>>4875451
for the first time I open a thumbnail and the painting is good. congratulations anon

[Anonymous No.4875568]

>>4875466
Did you draw that using the Keys to Drawing method? Definitely pick up Vilppu or Hampton's books/videos if you want to get better at figure drawing.

[Anonymous No.4875569]

>>4875495
thanks for actually saying something

[Anonymous No.4875585]

>>4875563
We need a cast study thread specifically for people who want to make it.

[Anonymous No.4875602]

>>4875585
I'm down for this. Someone pick a ref and make a thread.

[Anonymous No.4875619]

>>4875602
I'll come up with something.

[Anonymous No.4875649]

>>4875568
Yeah, keys to drawing, which doesnt allow for feeling the form so I need something on there
Which ones are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.4875650]

>>4873120
A+ for effort.
B- for shading/coloring
I'm just a /beg/ but I think it needs more contrast. Lighter lights and darker darks. Also like the other anon said you should clean up your planes a little. Make them easier to read. the neck especially feels really flat.

[Anonymous No.4875688]

Is there a way to prevent my copics from dripping and ruining my drawings? This is not the first time this has happened.

[Anonymous No.4875695]

>>4875688
it’s just a happy little accident
make it a happy little beaten wife

[Anonymous No.4875697]

>>4874012
it is flat

[Anonymous No.4875700]

Here's a vehicule sketch from today.
I have that hard surfaces aren't my cup of tea.

[Anonymous No.4875701]

>>4874243
it is ok, maybe try do something more elaborated

[Anonymous No.4875702]

>>4875700
*I have to say

[Anonymous No.4875717]

>>4874249
what stand out the most is that the eyes are different sizes, the nose and the mouth are misshaped, but not bad

[Anonymous No.4875728]

>>4874513
just learn construction anon.

[Anonymous No.4875740]

>>4874750
a6, because it fits in my pocket.

at home I draw on a4 sheets tho

[Anonymous No.4875745]

>>4875242
the eyes don't seems to follow the perspective of the head

[Anonymous No.4875754]

>>4875259
the worse thing is the hands and hair, try breaking it up into simple shapes

[Anonymous No.4875760]

>>4875309
the face is cute, the legs and feet are weird, the arms and hands are ok

[Anonymous No.4875776]

>>4875418
lack of anatomic knowledge seems to be your big flaw.

[Anonymous No.4875804]

>>4875649
The book names you can find in the sticky. As for the videos there's a video course thread in >>4776876

[Anonymous No.4875833]

hows it coming along, what should i fuck with

[Anonymous No.4875969]

>>4875688
The nose is huge and ugly but my white pencil did pretty good at cleaning it up.

[Anonymous No.4875985]

>>4875833
I seriously cannot tell what the fuck is going on here anon

[Anonymous No.4875995]

>>4875688
Does it only happen when you start using them or just randomly throughout your colouring adventures?

[Anonymous No.4876010]

>>4875833
what am I looking at

[Anonymous No.4876042]

Oh yeah uh aha haja yeah uh

[Anonymous No.4876047]

>>4875985
>>4876010
a nomura character air dashing sideways and cutting off a demon’s pigtail with a keyblade while keeping the tongblade in a defensive position to parry any attacks from the demon

[Anonymous No.4876062]

Painted gf at dinner, sat quietly for 20 mins like an autist

[Anonymous No.4876073]

>>4875833
I mean... the blade’s foreshortening and design is fucking god tier and super interesting, but everything else is schizoid tier, worse than a 4 year old... I am confused.

[Anonymous No.4876091]

>>4876073
>but everything else is schizoid tier, worse than a 4 year old.

he did say its a normura character anon

[Anonymous No.4876103]

>>4875995
randomly. its only happened two or 3 times in the month that ive had them. different color each time.happened with pic related too on that left shoulder

[Anonymous No.4876108]

>>4876103
Weird, you could try shaking them real good before using them that might stop the ink from pooling up and then dripping out.

[Anonymous No.4876119]

yo would you guys fuck an anthropomorphic frog if no one ever knew about it?

[Anonymous No.4876127]

>>4875688
I started using copics a few months ago but have not had this problem with the ten I bought.

Is it the ones you've refilled that are dripping? Maybe there's too much ink?

Was it shipped from abroad? Maybe it was damaged?

[Anonymous No.4876144]

[Anonymous No.4876224]

Looking to see if there's anything off with these sketches before I finish them. Any critique is welcomed

[Anonymous No.4876231]

>>4876062
I can sense her awkward reluctance to pose for you through her expression good job

[Anonymous No.4876235]

>>4876224
clean it up. If u want critique, a lot of the chest area above the torso plus a little bit of her left leg looks slightly flat. There are also a few anatomy errors with the boobs.

>>4876144
Looks pretty well done, I WOULD say /int/ tier, but the boobs are off, allong with the chests shape not making too much sense since it looks like its just a rectangle instead of a round shape.

>>4876119
Genuinely pretty well done. Keep doing stuff like this to get a good grasp on different types of anatomy in games, and to generally get a good understanding of human anatomy in general.

>>4876062
Nj! Very good attention to detail. The face doesnt read too well for me but overrall good.

>>4876042
Keep studying anatomy anon! Ive seen ur earlier posts and ur doing well but i see some repeated errors (small hands/arms, some proportions being off) but keep going!

>>4875833
Like other anons said, sword perspective is pretty nice, but everything else not only doesnt read, but just makes 0 sense in general

[Anonymous No.4876247]

Okay so I think I can draw boxes now with decent enough perspective but when it comes to actual construction within that box I have no clue what I'm doing. Especially when it comes to drawing with an upward angle

[Anonymous No.4876253]

>>4876235

thanks! where can i find good references for boobs?

[Anonymous No.4876260]

>>4875695
kek

[Anonymous No.4876277]

>>4876253
well, real boobs of course lol

[Anonymous No.4876307]

wdyt xP

[Anonymous No.4876368]

new beg thread when

[Anonymous No.4876420]

>>4876253
bruh you're on the internet

[Anonymous No.4876471]

>>4876144
I see you're taking boob advice from Reddit's favorite artist

[Anonymous No.4876481]

>>4876368
now

new thread >>4876476

new thread >>4876476

new thread >>4876476

[Anonymous No.4876496]

>>4876471
soul

[Anonymous No.4876563]

>>4876247

[Anonymous No.4876596]

>>4876224

[Anonymous No.4876749]

>>4876596

thank you so much!!