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I don'tt understand composition...

>> No.4872276

>>4872253
com·po·si·tion | \ ˌkäm-pə-ˈzi-shən \
Definition of composition
1a : the act or process of composing
specifically : arrangement into specific proportion or relation and especially into artistic form
the painting's unique composition
b(1) : the arrangement of type for printing
hand composition
(2) : the production of type or typographic characters (as in photocomposition) arranged for printing
2a : the manner in which something is composed
b : general makeup
the changing ethnic composition of the city's population
c : the qualitative and quantitative makeup of a chemical compound
the chemical composition of a polymer
3 : mutual settlement or agreement
The two parties came to a composition.
4 : a product of mixing or combining various elements or ingredients
a composition of rubber and cork
5 : an intellectual creation: such as
a : a piece of writing
especially : a school exercise in the form of a brief essay
wrote a composition on the role of the police in our society
b : a written piece of music especially of considerable size and complexity
Her composition for piano and flute was played at the recital.
6 : the quality or state of being compound
7 : the operation of forming a composite function
also : COMPOSITE FUNCTION

>> No.4872278
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4872278

This is an ultra broad topic but composition basically borrows photography techniques(used to be the other way around) to make an image easy/pleasing to the eyes

>> No.4872353

read jack hamm drawing scenery.

>> No.4872354

>>4872278
that's a meme

>> No.4872370

>>4872354
[Citation Needed]

>> No.4872379

>>4872370
Left images are also fine

>> No.4872381

>>4872379
No they're not. You don't know shit. Bye bye leave the thread aspie. Come back when you know what you're talking about. :)

>> No.4872385

>>4872381
wolf headbutting the frame is obviously bad, woman in the middle is boring.
the dude, the landscape and the window are all fine as is on the left. pretending they're not or slavishly moving things to hit the third lines is retarded and also boring.

>> No.4872398

>>4872381
Yes they're are. You don't know shit. Bye bye leave the thread aspie. Come back when you know what you're talking about. :)

>> No.4872428

>>4872278
>>4872370
>>4872381
>slap an armature on top of your image/viewfinder
>arbitrarily move things around until part of your image eclipses one of your armature lines/intersections
>or just barely touches it on one of the edges lol idk
The rule of thirds/armatures, like most compositional rules of thumb, is descriptive rather than prescriptive.

The rule of thirds is useful in a few ways:
1. It helps the artist ensure the subject has enough room
2. It discourages centering the subject, which is often seen as disinteresting
and
3. It helps people avoid visual tangents at the edge of the image

BUT
1. Breaking it down into thirds specifically is completely arbitrary
2. Opposition to centered images is subjective and nowhere near universal
3. The use of literal guidelines obfuscates the ACTUALLY valuable compositional information like giving things space, avoiding tangents IN GENERAL, guiding the eye, etc.

Composition isn't an exact science, but it sure as shit doesn't need pseudo science.

>> No.4872430

>>4872381
>>4872398
Stop typing like a faggot.

>> No.4872459

>>4872428
The rule of thirds mostly applies to photography, where a photographer isn't in control of the surrounding context of the subject but still has to use it for framing. Illustrators have the option of using plain white backgrounds for everything and framing subjects so that the canvas is filled anyways.

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>>4872253
basically decide where you want the viewer's eyes to go when they look at your image. where are they supposed to focus? and then guide them there.
this is done primarily through contrast. our natural instinct is to focus on the things that stand out. in a dark room you're drawn to the brightest light, in a bright you focus on the darks etc. shapes have an influence too, as do rhythms and patterns.
in pic related, what was the first thing you saw? how was your eye guided across the image? and also importantly, where didn't you look without consciously forcing yourself?
every image is a comic book essentially, just without the panels.

>https://youtu.be/vAuswQ26X4w?t=2021
kind of long winded but he goes through a lot of the standard ideas about compostion in a very literal sense
graphic la is worth reading as well imo. it's one of the better artbooks

>> No.4872527

Is there any useful, pratical book on composition/design subject? I see things like "Picture This: How Pictures Work", but I have no idea if that's what I need. Would needed it for painting, illustration and comics.

>> No.4872578

>>4872278
>>4872370
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJ7fahM5sBQ

>> No.4872586

>>4872527
graphic la and framed ink are both pretty good

linran's writings are also really good even though the translation is kind of muddled looks like his blog got yeeted but here's a repost
>http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_6dd788070102wu4f.html

>> No.4872742

>>4872527
I like creative illustration from loomis

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>>4872278
this is like one of that infomercials for those dumb products that no one needs

>> No.4873431

>>4872586
>>4872742
Thanks! I'll take a look at those three.

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>>4872578
>Dynamic Symmetry

>> No.4873437

not many artists know either
they just have a keen eye on what looks and feels good
like how many guitarists can make amazing melodies without learning the specific essays of bullshit that comes with learning chords and music theory
just have ideas and make them

>> No.4873469

>>4873437
>like how many guitarists can make amazing melodies
Not many

>> No.4873480

I like the lever principle as a metaphor. A symmetrical lever is boring and an unbalanced one is annoying. An asymmetrical yet balanced lever is okay. Check ukiyo-e, it's pretty easy to observe that effect in those.

>> No.4873489

>>4873480
but... composition isn't just about making a picture work, as if you were some plumber unclogging a dirty toilet.

It's about organizing things to create a certain feeling. Artistry. To aim above. This... I don't understand

>> No.4873554

>>4873489
Correct
Diff ppl want Different things

>> No.4873570

>>4873489
Clearly you do understand it, you just can’t do it

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>>4873570
How do I do it

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>>4873585
nigga you just practice
basically you make a bunch of shit, and it will be shit, and that's ok. you learn as you go, and you look at artists you like and their work and see how they do composition. can you take what they do and flip it? experiment. fail with purpose. wtf "how do i into composition?" you just compose till it becomes decent. the "art" and to "aim above" is INSIDE your practice you fucking noob egg.
now get practicing