/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.4857505]

>muh proko
>muh NMA
>muh vilppu
but no one ever talks about the true GOAT

[Anonymous No.4857508]

Thats not Brent Eviston

[Anonymous No.4857517]

>>4857505
Jeff's great. Watts doesn't have a lot of anatomy content though, and if they did I think most people would stick with Proko better since he's not SO academic, but when the time comes to get really good Watts is the place.

[Anonymous No.4857518]

Weebs here hate him mainly because he’ll ultimately tell them to grind fundies after downloading the 200gb torrent lmao. Ignoring all the exceptionally good parts he goes through on every video, they probably were expecting the magic formula.

[Anonymous No.4857579]

>reilly abstractions
>loomis
gtfo of here with your snake oil, crab

[Anonymous No.4857582]

>>4857579
based. I know the HUMAN SKULL not the abstract runes of some snake oil man

[Anonymous No.4857590]

Jeff is great. I love how he teach drawing in "painter" manner. And his long non stop live rumblings are great. I remember some anons were upset about how he talk talk shit """unrelated"" to "how draw line"

[Anonymous No.4857636]

>>4857505
He's undeniably good but I found his presentation lacking. It's like he sat down, turned on the camera, and just rambled while drawing. I would be butthurt I paid for this, but of course I pirated it so it's not a big deal.
So my only criticism is with the course's teaching style, but he's still undeniably a master at art.

[Anonymous No.4857655]

>>4857636
He alternates between talking about what he's doing and talking about art philosophy in general. In my opinion both are important but the real meat is watching him work. If you're just painting / drawing while he talks that isn't the point. You should be drawing along, keeping up as best you can, rewind, rewatch how he did that eye or whatever and then try to replicate, and then try to apply what you're learning to whatever piece you're working on that isn't one of his vids. His form of teaching requires that you be engaged and taking initative.

[Anonymous No.4857661]

>>4857518

yeah - i think people get scared off initially by how more academic he seems compared to other teachers, but you can learn a lot just from watching him draw and explain himself

[Anonymous No.4857666]

Why does he talk so much, lads?

[Anonymous No.4857675]

>>4857655
GMI
>>4857666
Retard NGMI

[Anonymous No.4857707]

>>4857517
Theyd just have you study bridgman

[Anonymous No.4857713]

can I do watts in procreate or do I need to use paper?

[Anonymous No.4857722]

i am robert henri
i am the art spirit
i am the guide

My leaves have drifted from me. All. But one clings still. I’ll bear it on me. To remind me of. Lff! So soft this morning, ours. Yes. Carry me along, taddy, like you done through the toy fair! If I seen him bearing down on me now under whitespread wings like he’d come from Arkangels, I sink I’d die down over his feet, humbly dumbly, only to washup.

[Anonymous No.4857745]

>>4857505
I fucking love his ramblings and coach-like advices, they encourage me and makes it more entertaining to watch.

[Anonymous No.4857750]

>>4857579

Gonna have to agree on this particular course. I havent tried his other classes, but his Reilly course is abominable. Poor explanations, overlong footage, dim lighting. Just not worth the time.

[Anonymous No.4857751]

>>4857713
you can use procreate

[Anonymous No.4857752]

>>4857750
'Forgot to mention: Jeff doesnt even teach that one, either. Its some other guy. Some student teacher of his, most likely.

[Anonymous No.4857764]

>>4857707
My understanding is that Jeff isn't the biggest Bridgman guy (he seems to admire him but not consider him the end all be all due to his messy drawings). It certainly doesn't seem like something he'd teach as an anatomy course (rather than as a crucial supplement, which is pretty much how everyone should treat Bridgman).

Watts supposedly has an anatomy course coming, but honestly it's hard to beat Proko for academic anatomy with modern amenities.

[Anonymous No.4857781]

He seems the kind to fondle students

[Anonymous No.4857784]

>>4857781
has he ever been me tooed?

[Anonymous No.4857788]

>>4857784
don't know, but it's likely in these times

[Anonymous No.4858098]

>>4857781
god i wish was his student

[Anonymous No.4858148]

>>4857505
really enjoy how playful he is when drawing but anyways i find the livestream classes are better than the one on the sub.

[Anonymous No.4859286]

>>4857505
I fell for the Watts meme, people were talking like he had a revolutionary method, he had teached proko and this and that. The very first lesson: a Loomis head. No thanks.

[Anonymous No.4859331]

love this guy

[Anonymous No.4859333]

>>4857505
Redpill me on the watts, What's so good about him and what can you expect to learn?

[Anonymous No.4859347]

>>4857505
>mfw im working professionally as an artist after jeff told me he didn't think I could do it
fuck you jeff you just made me work harder

[Anonymous No.4859352]

>>4859333
The best fine art resource westerners can learn from online; if it’s doesn’t click consider learning Chinese or Russian

[Anonymous No.4859353]

>>4859347

Really? In what context did he tell you that, were you a student at the brick n mortar school?

[Anonymous No.4859370]

I like his father videos better, they're a lot more informative.

[Anonymous No.4859377]

>>4859353
Yeah I went there for a year. In my last "semester" before I had to return home I signed up for a course that was about sketchbooking a story or something like that, something that sounded fun to bolster the 6 other classes I was taking about figure drawing or whatever.

I wasn't very good then (not the worst, just still learning) and I remember him telling me that the class was above my skill level. Which was true, I guess, but I figured I could still take notes and learn stuff since I could only go down there for a year. He said something like "you shouldn't be taking this class, its way above your skill level and you could spend this time studying something that could benefit you more" and I told him that I was taking a whole bunch of other classes too, but I was really interested in illustrating for stories or comics and wanted to take this class about that since I probably wouldn't be able to ever again. I remember he just kinda shrugged and said that if I spend my time like this I'll never be able to work professionally.

I remember getting mad as fuck and finishing that session and dropping that class. It wasn't full either, it was like 4 guys + me + him so it wasn't like I was taking up a space that someone else could've used.

Its a shame since I did learn quite a bit and looking back on it he must have just been in a bad mood or something but fuck, if you're gonna shit on me at least do it on my art so I can get something out of it.

[Anonymous No.4859382]

>>4859377
>>4859377

Interesting. Thanks for telling the story anon. Super curious to your work now but asking you to posting something is probably too mich, eh? Anyway, good for you that you made it, be proud.

[Anonymous No.4859397]

>>4859377
yeah that sucks, but it sounds like it was instrumental in your development

[Anonymous No.4859497]

for people who took the course, how much did it benefit you? i want to get into painting traditionally but im stuck going through the basic head and figure classes at a snails pace with no real gains so far. what classes did you take and when do they start becoming worth it?

[Anonymous No.4859504]

>>4859377
So he didn't actually say you couldn't make it and was trying to help you

[Anonymous No.4859507]

>>4859377
I would love a guy to come at me honestly like that. Everybody's always been telling how amazing I was and now I realize I've lived my whole life in a lie. Fuck everybody who lied to me.

[Anonymous No.4859521]

>>4859377
He just didn't want you to waste your time and money lmao. Scummy artists would just want to take money from you regardless.

[Anonymous No.4859525]

>>4859377
Sounds like he was trying to be honest in a constructive way. Not sure why you would be mad. He was probably right.

[Anonymous No.4859530]

>>4857505
Pyw tranny

[Anonymous No.4859535]

>>4859352
I love how you don't explain anything
>trust me bro

[Anonymous No.4859543]

>>4859377
lol so he didn’t really tell you you wouldn’t make it just that you shouldn’t spend time with something you’re not ready for.
I dunno man doesn’t seem like he eas in the wrong at all.

[Kangaroo Man No.4859549]

>>4859377

Please be real.
Classic NGMI behavior. Simply classic.

[Anonymous No.4859555]

>>4859535
He never says you should trust he can draw tho. He demonstrates everything he says and his execution is always beautiful.
What you’re supposed to trust in is the process which he offers and this trust is important since we tend to overthink everything and either skip important stuff or get needlessly stuck.
He recommends supplementary reading material yet answers most technical issues by performing. All in all he’s a great teacher. As the anon says, if he doesn’t click you should learn russian or chinese

[Anonymous No.4859814]

the real goat was reilly tho

[Anonymous No.4859840]

>>4857505
His dad is a better teacher, gets the the point instead of humblebragging for the entire video.

[Anonymous No.4859874]

>>4859840
who is his dad?

[Anonymous No.4860243]

>>4859874
Robert. The first hour lesson of the gouache masterclass course with him was cool.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AU4tfukuhPY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MODig8PmTYM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9j2hxcI5-s

[Anonymous No.4860257]

I love how watts people map shadows. It's very beautiful

[Anonymous No.4860498]

>>4859840
They’re pretty much identical. Robert is more illustration oriented. So he leans more composition,atmosphere mood and whatnot.
Jeff is more of a fine artist and talks about brushwork etc... other than that they’re pretty much the same

[Anonymous No.4862915]

Jeff is to hard round as Proko is to r/brushpacks

[Anonymous No.4863608]

>>4859347
he told you that so you could make it

[Anonymous No.4863625]

Why is he a white guy

[Anonymous No.4863628]

>>4859347
Former Watts student here. He told my roomate back then that his way of drawing was inconveninet and that he should give up. My roomate basically started studying everyday for 12 hours and became the best artist among the people living in my house. Even Jeff recognized him in the end.

[Anonymous No.4863692]

Another watts alumni here.
He told me to give up when he saw my work from imagination. I still made it as a YouTube art instructor and podcaster. Fuck you jeff

[Anonymous No.4863802]

>>4863628
>>4863692
What are the stories behind these? I'm curious how these students got themselves into a critique session where Jeff wrote them off in this way.

[Anonymous No.4863851]

>>4857505
Does anyone know what happened to the other friday night quick sketch videos on Youtube? I swear there were more than one or two on the channel. Would love to rewatch them.

[Anonymous No.4863877]

>>4863802

>>4863692 is referencing proko, you fucking newfag.

[Anonymous No.4863959]

>>4857505

I just love how this guy goes off on a mindless unrelated ramble, clearly thinks someone's talking back to him, gets more and more riled up and in the end works himself into a knot arguing with the imaginary person he's having a debate with, then finishes with an annoyed "you can look these things up online". Hilarious.

[Anonymous No.4864043]

>>4863959
Lmao true

[Anonymous No.4865403]

>>4857505
Atelier method imo tends to produce a "type" of artist much like going to calarts produces "types" of artists. Don't subscribe to just one idea otherwise you'll become little clones of the one you are under. Consider the notion that the industry is actually hungry for DIFFERENT but skilled people.

[Anonymous No.4865587]

>>4857505
That's not Steve Huston

[Anonymous No.4866467]

I fell for this meme too
I took his $400 critique class and ended up getting little to no results after 10 weeks it was complete garbage scam
he just do the lecture drawing slower than a snail while dropping bits of info every here and then it take him 2 hours to draw shit with fucking charcoal crayon
compared to CGMA or schoolism where I improved tremendously by the end of the course

watts is just charismatic charlatan
look at how bad proko is there is your proof

[Anonymous No.4868575]

>>4866467
Proko is good though

[Anonymous No.4868583]

>>4865403
The industry can go fuck itself. I want to draw beautiful and heroic white people

[Anonymous No.4868588]

>>4865403
Ateliers don’t predispose people to any particular style. They’re literally there to teach people to capture things in front of them dead on (emphasis on dead because the term “still life” is a misnomer - the work is dull and lifeless, but technically magnificent).

So if it’s skill you want, ateliers aren’t a bad place to start. It’s not for everyone, however.

[Anonymous No.4868623]

>>4866467
>>4857505
will agree they dont teach you a whole ton and leave the details up to you

what I do is just compile either pics from instagram or from their classes so I can memorize the shapes and where things need to go

[Anonymous No.4868635]

>>4868623
more

[Anonymous No.4868639]

>>4868635

[Anonymous No.4868649]

>>4868623
>>4868635
>>4868639

I hope you adapt their approach to a model rather than adapting the model to their approach.

[Anonymous No.4868663]

>>4868623
Mind sharing a folder of these?

[Anonymous No.4868681]

>>4868663
my advice is to make them into a pdf so u can look at the refs while you draw

[Anonymous No.4868683]

>>4868681

[Anonymous No.4868757]

Can I work through Watts Digitally? Especially the painting classes.

[Anonymous No.4869725]

>>4857505
NMA and Watts only copy from photos without explaining anything

[Anonymous No.4869751]

>>4869725
They have a focus on drawing / painting from life or photos of life. That's what you see them do, that's what they talk about doing. It's not a fucking illustration school - but they do have a HEAVY illustration bent for a fine art school (Jeff watts used to do movie posters and was trained by pulp illustration guys like Fred Fixler).

You are supposed to participate in what they're doing, and then apply it to your own non-Watts references and life work. They definitely explain it, but they can only offer so much explanation during a 3 hour painting, so there's a lot of general art filibuster.

If you come from the internet where everything is a "guide" with steps 1. 2. 3. it feels unstructured and unexplained but if you stick it out and do 15 paintings along with the instructor you will get good fast.

I did the online painting course as a decent pencil artist, never painted ANYTHING traditional, and wasn't great digital. I did Ink Phase 1, the first couple goache phases, Oil Portraiture 1 2 3, Oil Figure 1 2 3 (I was already working on charcoal and graphite at a weekly figure drawing class and I have a background in that so I skipped Watts drawing but I plan to go back for it).

My skills are way, way the fuck further than they were a year ago. I don't want to identify myself so don't ask me to PYW. If atelier instruction isn't for you, it isn't for you, but for me it ended up being THE thing that improved me the most (even though I don't plan to make fine art / gallery art a career, and I prefer illustration).

[Anonymous No.4869756]

>>4869751
>a year ago

[Anonymous No.4869776]

>>4859377

former in-person student here, I also went there a year and found Jeff to be pretty abrasive and unpleasant. I wouldn't take anything he said too hard cause he even slammed on his own student teachers in a mean way. I remember one time a student teacher brought in cookies for everyone in class, and it was basically.

everyone: COOKIES!!!
jeff: why are you wasting your time baking?? maybe if you spent as much time drawing as you did baking you'd be a good artist by now

in front of everyone to his own student teacher, who had just done something nice for the class... classic watts memories.

[Anonymous No.4869818]

>>4869776

I mean, I don't know the guy I just take the online courses. I get just a touch of "disgruntled about something" from him now and again when he's demonstrating, but if that's the case at least he stays on topic for the online demos and I don't have to put up with the rest.

[Anonymous No.4869919]

learn to draw photos once again, don't think much about structure, breaking up everything into shapes without thinking beyond that.

yeah good luck with that.

[/////\\\\\SUPER||||RAD|||BOXMA(...) !!Hl5DZnM7v9M No.4869943]

>>4869776

sounds like a bitter melonhead.

If you're actually good, then your soul is good too, your ego is in check, and you don't shit on your subordinates or if you do you explain you were having a bad day.

Maybe I'm missing something because >>4869751
sounds pretty satisfied desu.

[Anonymous No.4870008]

>>4869943
He sounds satisfied because hes focusing on getting gud not on having a social platform to bond with jeff

[Anonymous No.4870032]

>>4869943

Comparing the online classes to in-person ones is an apples to oranges situation, so I'd take in-person reviews with a grain of salt if you're only looking at the online content, and vice versa. The online courses contain some rambling, but that's about it. The in-person courses contain Jeff's rather harsh&blunt approach and uncontained ego nonstop. Some people like it, and some people don't. That's pretty much all there is to it. Everybody's got their own preferences.

[Anonymous No.4870166]

lmao all these people roleplaying as a "watts student" bitch if you live in california and is able to go to a college level atelier you aint gonna be browsing around 4chan wasting time to talk about how bad of a teacher this guy is. people who live in those circumstances would probably spend their time being productive

[Anonymous No.4870341]

Coming from an impoverished country and not having the financial status to get into art school as well as being naturally anti social, and having a hard time finding people to talk to about art as well as no formal guide to show me how to pursue an art career, I found comfort in Jeff's ramblings and think of him as a sensei.

He is obviously opinionated because he is passionate but he is a true teacher.

He is kind of an art parent to me. Thanks to the 200 gb torrent. Someday, I'll make it and pay for the courses twice.

I love the atelier vibe of the videos. It's not going to be as modernly presented as proko's but the vibe gives it a more of an art studio feel.

I'm in the middle of the figure drawing course when it just became clear that I would need more anatomy understanding so I studied proko anatomy first. Proko's anatomy is honestly the best. I think Jeff saw it and just didn't bother making his own anatomy course and passed it on his student.

I am doing all of it on digital