/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.4827547]

What made it “click” for you anons? When did it become effortless?

[Anonymous No.4827548]

Unironically Vilppu. The quality of your life drawings may "dip" for a bit, but you'll soar higher than ever before.

[Anonymous No.4827557]

>>4827547
when you start loving the effort.

[Anonymous No.4827568]

>>4827547
thinking in 3d, understanding the significance of every line put on the page

[Anonymous No.4827706]

when I first used a hard round brush with opacity jitter

[Anonymous No.4827730]

>>4827547
Never became effortless. Thats the thing I love about art. Each line is deliberate. Every stroke of the HARD ROUND BRUSH is done for a reason. I can never take it easy. I must remain vigilant and disciplined for hours at a time. Thats the beauty.

[Anonymous No.4827818]

>>4827547
doing gesture drawing for 30-45 min every single day, it reinforces a lot of the fundies your learn

[Anonymous No.4827829]

>>4827730
Art is effortless to me. Am I doing something wrong?

[Anonymous No.4827833]

>>4827829
post work and I’ll tell you

[Anonymous No.4827835]

>>4827829
post sample of your work

[Anonymous No.4827837]

>>4827829
Yes. If you’re always in your comfort zone you are never improving.

[Anonymous No.4827848]

>>4827829
yw, p it so that I can laugh at you

[Anonymous No.4827927]

>>4827829
Post your work anon. Maybe you are a savant or extremely talented. I am interested to see your process.

[Anonymous No.4828155]

Level 5.
Everything you do is just a bit easier, more instinctive, more satisfying. It is as though you had suddenly developed keen senses and instincts.

[Anonymous No.4829100]

bump

[Anonymous No.4829195]

>>4827547
Unironically LSD, at least for colors.

[Anonymous No.4829202]

2 years in and everything is a struggle. More so than ever before. I fucking hate my shit brains

[Anonymous No.4829213]

>>4827833
>>4827835
>>4827837
>>4827848
>>4827927
Not him, but there does come a point where things do become more effortless. The more you do it, the easier it gets. Pushing your boundaries becomes more a matter of exploring different mediums, or doing nee or more difficult things with art, like cinematography, storytelling, or design. The mechanical, more technical side of art is no longer something you really think about anymore. It’s just autopilot. The real thinking comes more in the form of composition, or design, or etc... then what you do is you expand into stuff like learning 3D or writing to compliment your art skills, or animation, or etc... it does get easier. While there is no ceiling, in truth, learning new things within the field of art happens a lot faster, as you naturally understand how it works.

[Anonymous No.4829217]

>>4829213
...And just how long would it take to reach this point where I’m not screeching internally about wonky perspective or anatomy? For someone who would be say, mid to upper tier /beg/?

[Anonymous No.4829252]

>>4829213
It never gets effortless. Some things get easier, but if you think it’s effortless there’s a high chance you’re Dunning Kruger.

[Anonymous No.4829255]

>>4829213
Best post thanks

[Anonymous No.4829263]

>>4829255
It’s wrong tho. Read Alla

[Anonymous No.4829265]

>>4829252
The fundamentals become effortless, yes. There’s nothing Dunning Kruger about mastering the basics anon.

Things like anatomy and perspective are the basics.

[Anonymous No.4829267]

>>4829263
Alla Prima II.

[Anonymous No.4829287]

>>4829265
There's still effort involved. And I would argue that the more you master, the more effort you have to put in to maintain a high level as well as master even finer concepts such as the subtleties of light and color. If you talk to artists who have been called masterful and the people around them, they'll tell you how hard they are actually working for things to look as effortless as they are. Even though Kim Jung Gi looks as though he draws effortlessly from imagination, he still continues studies to maintain that level, and is working hard to improve that mastery. Sargent and other bravado painters like Sorolla and Zorn made their color choices and strokes look effortless but they are placed with careful thought and in some cases over the course of months, with many color studies of their subjects. You don't get and stay good without effort.

[Anonymous No.4829845]

>>4829213
This. You think Arnold Schwarzeneggar still has trouble doing squats and pushups?

[Anonymous No.4829930]

>>4829845
he's like 70 years old of course he does. but I know what you're trying to say and lifters do continue to put effort. sure a push up may get easier but if you want gains you move to weighted push ups and bench press and keep breaking PRs. nothing worth it is effortless.

[Anonymous No.4829932]

>>4829930
you just defeated me with my own logic

[Anonymous No.4829949]

>>4829930
But that’s the argument being made. You get to choose when to stop or slow down, and you will reach a level where you’re a professional with your skills. You don’t need to push hard, and honestly, in regard to professional work, you often won’t. Once you get into working as an artist you’ll learn than 99% of what you do is in fact rather effortless. Improvement comes more out of personal desire rather than necessity. Your base or low level is already extremely advanced.

To use the Arnold analogy again. Pro weightlifters often warm up with what’s well beyond the max rep for an amateur or beginner, hell even intermediate. If there was a job that focused around lifting heavy shit that wasn’t in blatant competition, but as a more practical performance. All they’d be doing is those warm-up level pushes. Which sure, might be 300-400lbs, and break the spine of any normal person. But to them, it’s nothing and totally effortless.

That’s what it feels like when you’ve reached more advanced levels. You stop thinking about the techniques, and focus more on the application of them.

[Anonymous No.4829959]

>>4827829
A great artist once said, 'If you find doing art easy, you're doing it wrong'.

[Anonymous No.4829971]

>>4829217
I would say another two years or so.

[Anonymous No.4830023]

>>4829959
I great artist also once called you straight, but here we are...

[Anonymous No.4830027]

>>4829217
Like the other anon said, from /beg/ level, about two years of hard work and long hours with the grueling grind and hating most of what you make till you can be considered a pro. It’s only after several years (like 2-5) of working professionally however that you kinda stop thinking about anything, and the whole process is very autopilot and instinctive. I know this is making it sound mundane, but it’s not. What I mean to say is you literally stop thinking about things, and you feel it instead. As weird as that might sound. But it’s like talking. You express yourself with emotion, rather than thinking about grammar and syntax.

[Anonymous No.4830049]

>>4827829
No, you are doing it right. That's how it naturally should be. Children create art effortlessly before growing up in this sick society into depressed adults with creative blocks. That other anon, and any anon telling you different, is just speaking directly from cope. Keep doing what you're doing. They wish they were you.

[Anonymous No.4830063]

>>4829959
That's such bullshit.

[Anonymous No.4830099]

>>4829213
Your work. Post it.

[Anonymous No.4830129]

>>4829949
You don’t lift or draw well and it shows.

[Anonymous No.4830155]

>>4829949
Man this looks so effortless!
https://youtu.be/XHPGc_yE4GI

[Anonymous No.4830176]

>>4830129
I actually do both. But I stopped doing power-lifting after 25. My max deadlift PR was 405lbs for a single rep (at a height of 188cm - ima tall boi). Now at 30, I just lift to look good when naked, because who cares about damaging your body in order to impress randos on the internet.

>>4830155
I notice reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit. Hang out with power lifters once in your life, and go work out with them. Then feel your balls shrink as they 10 rep bench press your squat PR without breaking a sweat, and laughing about it.

>>4830099
Why should I? I got nothing to prove. My experience is my experience. Take it or leave it. Disagree with me? Feel free to, I’m not here to convince you. You’ll agree with me once you’ve been working professionally for several years, and you come to intimately understand what I’m actually saying.

[Anonymous No.4830200]

>>4829949
>>4830176
Why would effortless lifting be a profession? You can make a living lifting heavy shit as a mover. If money is your goal than in the same way you can make money with /beg/ art and draw Garfield or some shit. But if you want to be a master, that takes continuous effort. Look at the life of Ilya Repin, who worked to improve his art even in his old age when he could barely hold a brush and see the canvas. Effort is growth, effortlessness is stagnation and mediocrity.

[Anonymous No.4830204]

>>4830176
>>4830099
He doesn’t have to post his work for you to know it’s mediocre if that’s his mindset.

[Anonymous No.4830207]

>>4827547
It never became "effortless" but fuck me it feels like I busted down a wall when I decided not to give a flying fuck about technical accuracy and instead just doing everything freehand and eyeballed.

[Anonymous No.4830232]

>>4830204
>>4830200
Crabs gonna crab.

Someday you’ll start making money off of your art, and realize that growth is something you do out of personal desire and not necessity, especially since it’ll hardly apply to like 90% of the work you’ll get paid to do.

When you do a character turn-around or an evr concept painting for the 1000th time, it’s no longer something you ever put any conscious thought into. You just do what you do on autopilot. Especially since in design you’re also often following the guidelines your client or boss is dictating you, rather than being free to explore (sometimes you are, but not always). The world of commercial art is a lot different than you think it is. You’re not being paid to push your boundaries and experiment or fail (fail because failure is how you grow), you’re being paid to deliver a product which means you will work within the boundaries you’re given and “play it safe” to ensure you deliver a piece which is commercially viable. No, I don’t mean “play it safe” in terms of design. Again, for those not following the conversation, I’ve been talking about tje fundamentals here, design is something significantly more advanced, and something you focus on once you’ve mastered the basics. I mean “play it safe” in regards to the methods and techniques you will use to create something. You will work with a familiar medium, using familiar techniques and forms. You won’t experiment with new methods because this implies more risk, and will cost you TIME. And time, is valuable for an artist. Drawing a figure in 3D space while very challenging for a beginner, is something completely effortless and mindless for someone who’s done it professionally 1000s of times. You don’t really think about it, you just naturally go through all the motions. Yes, even if you’re using motion or dynamic perspective. Gesture, expression, anatomy, and perspective are all fundamentals and things you don’t- fuck it.

[Anonymous No.4830237]

>>4830200
>>4830204
is today the day ic realized drawing is actually easy for some people?

[Anonymous No.4830249]

>>4830237
Easy isn’t the same as effortless.

[Anonymous No.4830265]

>>4830249
Easy is LITERALLY (and I do mean literally as it’s mean to be used in language) synonymous with effortless. Your post is very stupid. Like, very very stupid.

[Anonymous No.4830269]

>>4830265
Effortless. Without effort. Post the work of an artist that you think draws effortlessly.

[Anonymous No.4830272]

>>4830269
KJG.

[Anonymous No.4830279]

>>4830269
>Without effort
When something is easy, you don’t exert effort anon. Your nitpicking at words isn’t helping your case.

[Anonymous No.4830290]

>>4830272
if you've listened to his lectures you'd know it isn't effortless. he still has to study things he isn't familiar with.

[Anonymous No.4830296]

>>4830279
When you don’t exert effort, you don’t achieve new things. There are artists that keep churning out the same level of work and aren’t trying to improve, sure. If that’s your goal, then I guess I should be happy you aren’t going to be any competition.

[Anonymous No.4830500]

>>4830296
You’re totally missing the point, and I’m starting to get the feeling that a nuanced point is something beyond your capacity to comprehend, as you can seemly only grasp things in absolutes.

[Anonymous No.4830501]

Actually drawing and studying

[Anonymous No.4830519]

>>4830500
>effortless doesn’t mean without effort!
>you don’t understand nuance!

To the original argument art you think was effortless, and I’ll point out how effort was involved. High level artists can make things look effortless and don’t struggle with the same things a beginner does. No cap. But just because you can’t see the effort doesn’t mean it’s not there.