/beg/ BEGINNER THREAD

[Anonymous No.4807980]

IF YOU ARE A /BEG/INNER IN ART, use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice.

Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done. Anything is okay.

previous thread >>4799067

READ THE STICKY for some guidance:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit#bookmark=id.15jx3pyuimvj

RESIZE YOUR IMAGES - preferably ~1000px, <1.1mb

BE ACTIVE AND PROVIDE FEEDBACK TO OTHERS - all it takes is a little feedback to give someone a lot of motivation.

Leave no submission un-replied!!!

[Anonymous No.4807983]

[Anonymous No.4807984]

>>4807980

[Anonymous No.4807990]

>>4807983
Thats literally the Family Guy Flop

[Anonymous No.4808027]

>>4807990
Kek

[Anonymous No.4808152]

Shitpost I made for /bst/

[Anonymous No.4808163]

These faces are wrong in every way but I've been practicing them for ages. The eyes are too sharp and don't fit on the head, the shade of the nose is wrong and obstructive, the lips look weird, but any advice I get I just can't put in to practice.

[Anonymous No.4808191]

I quit drawing hoping that it would help me cope with depression. Now I'm depressed and can't pick a pencil up to save my life. Did I fuck up?

[Anonymous No.4808230]

Made this today.

[Anonymous No.4808232]

>>4808163
For now, I'd almost tell you to forget about constructive drawing. Get on Betty Edwards or Bert Dodson and learn to observe and make proper marks. Accuracy is a cornerstone to learning 3d drawing.

[Anonymous No.4808233]

>>4807980
>wrong previous thread link.

[Anonymous No.4808270]

I'm struggling to give him hands anons, he's supposed to be with flutuating fire balls in both of them but I can't find good references, any hint?
Also are the proportions alright?

[Anonymous No.4808305]

>>4808232
I've done a bit of both of their books but didn't finish, accuracy is a nightmare for me, I struggle to get a basic level of it that others have

[Anonymous No.4808336]

>week 8 of drawing with no art tablet
This shit is fucking wack, how do tradfags do it?

[Anonymous No.4808340]

[Anonymous No.4808348]

[Anonymous No.4808359]

lined paper, bouguereau study

[Anonymous No.4808364]

>>4808359
now i realize how much fucking graphite and debris is on the page that i didnt clear ignore that i guess

[Anonymous No.4808367]

[Anonymous No.4808401]

Pen and ink stuff, went well until i switched to the brush pen

[Anonymous No.4808405]

>>4808401
loomis

[Anonymous No.4808411]

>>4808405
how many loomis?

[Anonymous No.4808414]

>>4808411
mhmm probably 4 or 5 but atleast start with 1

[Anonymous No.4808415]

>>4808401
bottom right is the best of all

[Anonymous No.4808421]

Can someone post a examples of how good you need to be to leave beg?

[Anonymous No.4808425]

>>4808421
About this good

[Anonymous No.4808428]

>>4808411
250

[Anonymous No.4808445]

>>4808421
You never leave, you just constantly say its your first week of drawing to filter out the weak newbs who always compare themselves to other people

[Anonymous No.4808446]

>>4808340
nice improvement, though I don't understand what's going on with the forehead

[Anonymous No.4808480]

tried shading, not sure how good it is but was pretty fun

[Anonymous No.4808497]

I want to learn how to draw ass so I spent my session just trying to figure out basic shapes. At the end I tried some shading but I don't think I quite get the transition from the cheeks to the torso yet

[Anonymous No.4808499]

>>4808480
ok saw some issues and improved it

[Anonymous No.4808503]

I draw once every two weeks on average because the people here scare me.
I wasnt too horrible at drawing but now I'm seeing people in these threads and in the OP reach /int/ level.
How do you deal with people telling you you suck ass through vague one word advice, ny mind takes any measures criticism seriously and makes pursuing the endeavor pointless

[Anonymous No.4808517]

I was trying to copy this painting but it was overwhelming
How do i know what color use?
what is the ambient light?
what process would you use to tackle this painting?

[Anonymous No.4808522]

I drew this upside down, what did I do wrong?

[Anonymous No.4808527]

>>4808445
It is my first week of drawing though

[Anonymous No.4808533]

>>4808497
Study the bones first, the pelvis, femur and lumbar section of the spine. Legs don't just sprout straight out of the bottom of the torso. You're not gonna get anywhere without looking at some references.

[Anonymous No.4808540]

what are some good procreations brushes? do i need to download them, or am i just not understanding where the good default brushes?
>inb4 hard round brush

[Anonymous No.4808549]

>>4808533
Alright, sounds like solid advice and a plan anon. I see the major mistake I made. I looked at a reference image I saw an anon post yesterday but I didnt quite follow it, but I should still learn the surrounding area too. You can't draw a forest if you can't get a tree right. I'll keep at it. Thanks

[Anonymous No.4808567]

how do i know if it's too early for me to start trying to draw heads?

[Anonymous No.4808570]

>>4808527
That's the spirit

[Anonymous No.4808575]

>>4808549
No problem man. Hope I didn't come across as too harsh. Keep it up, once you understand the structure asses are really fun to draw.

[Anonymous No.4808576]

>>4808567
just try drawing it and post, someone will probably tell you what you should be focusing on if you fucked up enough

[Anonymous No.4808579]

[Anonymous No.4808587]

>>4808570
but..

[Anonymous No.4808589]

>>4808340
Sooooo good! You’re so inspiring, how much hours did you spend on each piece? I want to do this but I’m still hesitant

[Anonymous No.4808624]

Tried a different rendering technique and ended in disaster lmao. I think I get the gist of it though I can improve next time.

[Anonymous No.4808637]

simple face drawovers for sale.

price: 1 (you)

[Anonymous No.4808640]

>>4808637
>>4808579
stop flexing on begs. stop it

[Anonymous No.4808646]

Is there some place that isn't 4chan/ic/random 4chan /ic/ discord servers that I can post my art and look to improve?

[Anonymous No.4808648]

>>4808646
just join a furry server, they give good advice

[Anonymous No.4808652]

>>4808637
bucci?

[Anonymous No.4808660]

How to improve my line searching?

[Anonymous No.4808665]

>>4808637
No soul

[Anonymous No.4808671]

>>4808660
GTFO Schizo

[Anonymous No.4808672]

>>4808640
im here to help anon

[Anonymous No.4808692]

>>4808340
Really nice, anon. I think I'll try this out later. Are you using reference or doing from imagination?

[Anonymous No.4808695]

>>4808672
Can I see your the under there anon?
>>4808579

[Anonymous No.4808698]

>>4808695
fuck forgot to say layer

[Anonymous No.4808701]

>>4808695
>>4808698
I merged it, it was my second attempt at the pose though. This sketch is from the first attempt.

[Anonymous No.4808706]

>>4808695
>>4808698
I merged it, it was my second attempt at the pose though. This sketch is from the first attempt.

[Anonymous No.4808709]

>>4808706
Where's the construction? WTF

[Anonymous No.4808711]

I got stuck on drawing floating heads today. The first 49 I did were total trash. Finally I got this one, which is good for me.

[Anonymous No.4808715]

>>4808706
Thanks, I always wondered how someone who made it does there shit

[Anonymous No.4808718]

>>4808715
lol havent made it. trying to though.

[Anonymous No.4808719]

>>4808660
>Line searching
???

[Anonymous No.4808822]

Loomis studies

[Anonymous No.4808832]

>>4808822
Loomis is doodling on his grave

[Anonymous No.4808858]

>>4806490
Your highlights are good but they look out of place since they’re more detailed/busy than the rest of the drawing.

[Anonymous No.4808963]

Is there a website the gives drawing exercises for free?
I've just been using quickposes

[Anonymous No.4808977]

>>4808963
http://www.posemaniacs.com/thirtysecond
http://senshistock.com/sketch/#
anon look harder

[Anonymous No.4809025]

>>4808977
I should have clarified that I didn't want just stock full body poses. Stuff like draw 5 hands or feet or heads......a curriculum short of thing.

[Anonymous No.4809042]

>>4808270
Just take pictures of your own hands and use them as reference. Head could be a bit bigger unless you’re going for a heroic proportions which is 9 heads.

[Anonymous No.4809049]

>>4808336
unironically just draw.

[Anonymous No.4809051]

>>4809025
Oh my bad kek
>http://reference.sketchdaily.net/en
This has decent amount of hand pictures if you check the body part section. Though you are honestly better off using your own hands for reference.
>http://referenceangle.com/
heads in different angles, you can use the 3D head model in the top left corner for whatever angle you want it to be positioned at.
>feet
I have no feet

[Anonymous No.4809053]

No wonder why stairs are always 3d in 2d animated shows. This was a challenge and a half to learn. Almost at the halfway point of Eric Olson's perspective lectures.

[Anonymous No.4809055]

I dont think I am understanding heads at all. This hampton man just started drawing cylinders and turning them jnto heads and it looked like magic.

[Anonymous No.4809062]

I'm familiar with digital art but followed literal Tumblr art tips for years. Didn’t realize until I accidentally clicked on this board how much I was actually /beg/.
How fucked am I?

[Anonymous No.4809064]

>>4808499
That's pretty damn good anon, but the mouth is slightly misaligned compared to the rest of the face. Also I think the shadow on the nose doesn't agree with the rest of your shading. Good work overall though.

[Anonymous No.4809068]

Tried figure drawing again

[Anonymous No.4809069]

>>4808425
That fucking face in the bottom right is fucked how did Davinci ever get follows on insta

[Anonymous No.4809070]

>>4809042
Thanks a lot for the tip
>heroic proportions
never heard of this lol, going to do a quick research now

[Anonymous No.4809074]

How am I supposed to draw with my shoulder going bottom right to top left? It feels like I can't do it without moving my elbow wtf

[Anonymous No.4809077]

>>4809074
rotate the paper or your body

[Anonymous No.4809088]

>>4809077
I can't that's cringe

[Anonymous No.4809091]

>>4808359
based, Im trying to learn charcoal after only using digital for years
any advice for how you do hair? a specific kind of charcoal you use?

[Anonymous No.4809093]

>>4808637
>>4809091
Id take the help if you have any suggestions, I struggled a lot with his lips.

[Anonymous No.4809101]

Help, I don't know how to render and I've failed my waifu

[Anonymous No.4809105]

I've failed tay bros, I can't believe it, two drawings and some parts are mostly ok but it falls apart quickly, waifu forgive me
>>4809093
I like your shapes, how?

[Anonymous No.4809117]

>>4809101
>>4809105
post work, no one can help you if you don't post work

[Anonymous No.4809132]

Are there different “steps” or “levels” to figure drawing? In some pictures it’s more comfortable for me to draw some contour lines around, and other times
I try to do more stick figure like but I’m completely beginner. Some examples ive seen of figure drawings are just stick figures like in proko’s video, but obviously they capture motion and action way better than I can, and other times they have like beanbag bodies or a semblance of girth and form to their limbs or something.

I’m just curious what to aim for? I haven’t studied anatomy yet, I’m focusing on gesture for now but I’m not sure if I should try for any specific style. This is the reference pic for example

[Anonymous No.4809141]

>>4809132
Not even really sure what you’re asking, but some poses are definitely harder than others to draw.

Also, no rules, just tools. Sometimes I jump straight into form, sometimes i start with rhythms, sometimes ellipses. It depends on what you need for that specific drawing. I highly recommend cycling through Vilppu’s course quickly and frequently. Bring up all your skills at once, don’t get hung up on one stage like gesture. His course is the most comprehensive I know of, you literally need just his course and a Bridgman book and you’re set for life.

[Anonymous No.4809142]

>>4809132
On the left I was gonna try to do some more drawing of the body but as you can see, it looked terrible. On the right I tried to simplify it into less lines, but I felt like I had to add more to stress how sharp some angles are, and I feel as though it actually captures the gesture much better. Still, I don’t know if I’m headed in the right direction, if I should use more lines, less lines, more body contours, less, etc. or maybe I’m overthinking it and as long as it gets the gesture down then I’m ok. Would anyone mind sharing their thoughts, or give any advice?

[Anonymous No.4809143]

>>4809117
Don't interact with the schizo.

[Anonymous No.4809148]

>>4809141
Sorry anon, I was making it in two posts so it was odd. I’m not ar my computer so I can’t edit a picture to show what I mean but basically some gesture drawing is like pic related, while some has actual boxes for the torso or hips, or more form on the arms , etc. I am wondering if I should go for the more stick figure look now, and the form adding will come later, or if I should try to capture the torso with the sort of bean bags or boxes that people use

[Anonymous No.4809152]

>>4809148
In this example he’s got limbs and a body and everything, whereas in the first he just has lines for everything. Does that make sense? Tl;dr I’m asking if I should try to make gestures like this one, or if I should try to make it as simple as possible at first and the rest will come later

[Anonymous No.4809156]

>>4809117
one I didn't bother to finish and the other one well i also didn't bother since I failed
https://imgur.com/a/DkvDbwl
I'll delete them in 10 minutes, I'm deeply ashamed
there's this too
>>4809068
Thanks for not ignoring me.

[Anonymous No.4809157]

>>4809148
Yeah, some poses can’t be done with a stick figure. (Like poses with foreshortening and overlap) some poses are also best done with rhythm lines and stick figures. You need to develop a robust toolbox of constructive techniques to help you tackle each situation.

That’s why I recommended Vilppu. His course is the most comprehensive toolbox I know. There’s so much I want to say to you about drawing right now but I can’t fit it all into one post, so instead I’m pointing you to my teacher

[Anonymous No.4809164]

>>4809152
Also, one of the reasons why I never point anyone to Proko at first is because he does confusing shit like this. And his exercises don’t directly build on top of one another

[Anonymous No.4809167]

>>4809157
forgive me for entering the conversation in this manner, what else is there to get about figure drawing? retaking it now since I failed when using Hampton's teachings

[Anonymous No.4809168]

>>4809157
Teach me anon ;-; you can type as many words as you’d like and I’ll read them all.
I think I have some drawing books saved, or I can go snag them from the art book thread. Are his classes free? Someone earlier recommended a different one but the guys name escapes me.

[Anonymous No.4809173]

>>4809167
>>4809168
Oh hey thanks it was Hampton

[Anonymous No.4809178]

>>4809156
Do you attempt constructing? Because it honestly feels like you don't plan out the face before committing t the details.

[Anonymous No.4809183]

I'm a disgrace to her, I failed to capture her beauty, I hope I can be forgiven, I feel despair, forgive me art, forgive me tay, forgive me nature and beauty for I'm at the moment a simple /beg/
>>4809178
Trying to do it the Keys to drawing way, had I done construction the result would have been better, not good by any means but better, the more I try to apply Keys to drawing teachings only leaves more and more disappointed with either myself or the book.

[Anonymous No.4809190]

>>4807980
Where do you pirate photoshop from

[Anonymous No.4809191]

How am I going to win against the one week guy if I keep on making blunders, I must force myself to draw more, get better, I musn't eat for days until I have something to be proud of
my figure drawings go ignored, speaks wonders about their quality

[Anonymous No.4809193]

my posts go ignored, my fellow men hate me for my nature, lucifer
>>4809173
no problem anon, thank you for not ignoring me

[Anonymous No.4809199]

>>4809167
Hampton is very similar to Vilppu, but he crams basic construction teaching into 20 pages or so, so I don’t blame you for not getting it haha. I couldn’t understand Hampton at all at first either.

>>4809168
I’m flattered, thank you. Vilppu’s course can be found in the video course thread, I think it’s the first link. Go for the links called “Glenn Vilppu stuff“, not “renaissance figure drawing“

[Anonymous No.4809204]

and I wonder if you know, what it means? what it means?
and I wonder if you know, what it means? to find your dreams

please I only ask to be forgiven from my nature, I failed at drawing her today, at making something good, with each drawing I fear the masters looking down on me
>>4809199
Complicated you say? I've heard it's the easiest of the three, my goodness, this can only mean horrible stuff

[Anonymous No.4809208]

>>4809142
how long have you been doing this?

[Anonymous No.4809216]

the more I post the more people seem to dislike me, they refuse to talk to me

[Anonymous No.4809217]

>>4809105
I try to use observation plus the reilly head as a reference for facial muscles.

[Anonymous No.4809218]

first, rejected from heaven and now this, rejected from earth, trapped on cold ice, last ring

[Anonymous No.4809220]

God, how do you even approach a gesture for a pose like pic related. Side view where the torso is twisted always gives me such a hard time.

[Anonymous No.4809221]

For what reason could Keys to drawing fail? why is not working for me? am I not special?
>>4809217
ok, thanks.

[Anonymous No.4809224]

>>4809208
That is my second page of drawing gesture, on a small 5x8 sketchbook. The first one was posted in an earlier thread

[Anonymous No.4809227]

>>4809224
For the record I dated it the 19th but I work at nighttime so this is the second night I’m trying it

[Anonymous No.4809229]

>>4809156
>If you're looking for an image, it's probably been deleted or may not have existed at all.
I literally can't help you if you just delete the fucking image before I can look.

[Anonymous No.4809236]

>>4809190
unironically a youtube tutorial

[Anonymous No.4809241]

>>4809156
Is there at Taylor Swift?

[Anonymous No.4809243]

>>4809091
>>4809093
i'm >>4808359, that's actually done in pencil, im shit at charcoal because of how hard it is to control, for the hair i just put some big chalky strokes of darkness (following the direction of the strands) for the dark areas and left the highlights light and then blended everything, then i went over a second pass to get my halftones and whatever and blended, then i got an eraser stick and knocked out some highlights and shit

[Anonymous No.4809259]

>>4809243
you fooled me, looks cool for just being pencil

[Anonymous No.4809276]

I DONT CARE IF IM A BEGGY
HELL I DONT CARE IF IM A RETARD
BUT I FUCKING NAILED THAT FUCKING KNEE
i feel like the old masters would be proud of me hell even sakimichan would be jealous of that delicious brown peace of meaty knee what a good day

[Anonymous No.4809283]

Im having fun

[Anonymous No.4809290]

>>4807980
How do I get straight lines in adobe illustrator?

[Anonymous No.4809292]

>>4809290
did you try holding shift

[Anonymous No.4809300]

>>4809276
Also yeah it is unfinished because i got turned on by that knee and yeah the figure is really Bad but seriously guys this is my proudest painting since i'm not that Bad at drawing we all can make it Bros the gains are starting to get effect and yeah sorry for being a fucikng retard

[Anonymous No.4809318]

>>4809259
thanks

[Anonymous No.4809323]

>>4809292
Does not work.

[Anonymous No.4809324]

>>4809283
I’m not an expert on anatomy or anything but I did a quick redline for you

[Anonymous No.4809325]

[Anonymous No.4809327]

>>4809324
This is actually helpful, thank you!

Most time people just tell me to die or something haha!

[Anonymous No.4809333]

Is this abnormally bad for a beginner? I feel like blowing my head off.

[Anonymous No.4809334]

>>4809283
i was gonna say you're not beg until i saw this, you should take that as a compliment to be honest

[Anonymous No.4809337]

>>4809334
Thanks!

But what is it?

[Anonymous No.4809341]

>>4809337
Im assuming its how the stomach looks, yeah i need to do more tummy practice

[Anonymous No.4809345]

>>4808517
Set sketch layer to multiply, and preferrably a dark red tone.
Ambient light is your background colour. Outdoors is bg + sky, for example. In your case the ambient light is white, that's why the reflected light on the face is a desaturated verion of the shadow
Block your base colours first, then block the shadows, then the light parts. You can use layer modes to adjust the values and hues. The painting should look good without any rendering and from far away it should seem as if it were finished.
Don't use tiny strokes in irrelevant areas (looking at the hands here). Notice how the original is more simplistic.
Don't use light values in shadow areas, the eyes are too white

[Anonymous No.4809346]

>>4809224
Better looking than my own

[Anonymous No.4809350]

>>4809327
die

[Anonymous No.4809365]

>>4809327
Anon desu your line is good but how the fuck did You miss the belly that fucking Bad when You draw the torso the belly falls bellow and it is locked like pic realted

I'm not telling You to study bridgman since You are drawing anime but he is really good at exagerating the location and position of anatomy

[Anonymous No.4809371]

>>4808660
more confidence i guess. i am in that part when i have a bad habit doing it excessively.

>>4808719
its when you do light overlapping lines to find the "correct" line when having difficulty while sketching instead of just chicken scratching

[Anonymous No.4809374]

>>4809365
Im bad at torso and lower bodies....

Whats the book called?

Bridgman?
I'll def give it a look!

[Anonymous No.4809378]

>>4809365
But yeah honestly thanks dude, been looking for some torso guides!

[Anonymous No.4809382]

>>4809337
>>4809324 explained it already and better than i could hope

[Anonymous No.4809421]

>>4809333
Nope you're fine. Welcome to /beg/ hell, enjoy your stay. Remember to draw something for fun occasionally in addition to grinding.

[Anonymous No.4809424]

i’m moving from traditional paint to digital and want to focus on what i can’t do well with paint- clean lines and simple structure, but is that a no-no? i want to have like a discernible style but i feel like it’s missing something. i don’t want to focus on shading because i do that in my traditional stuff, but it feels naked. does it look naked too? too flat?

[Anonymous No.4809426]

>>4809424 another example

[Anonymous No.4809477]

>finished, polished artworks get no replies
>5 minute anime sketch get at least 3 critics
why?

>>4809424
>>4809426
I like them, they look very clean, but indeed they feel naked because they don't have shadows and highlights on their skin, or even folds in the cloth of the second drawing. Also the first drawing could use more elements in the background

[Anonymous No.4809486]

>>4808425
Is that a bicycle? I knew about the corkscrew helicopter and the triangle parachute, but did Leonardo actually draw a bicycle?

[Anonymous No.4809493]

>>4809477
Because at the end of the day, art is subjective. It's about emotions. The art world is a popularity contest.

[Anonymous No.4809496]

>>4809493
So people here only like anime ?

[Anonymous No.4809506]

>>4809477
Because there's a lot more to criticise about the anime sketch.

[Anonymous No.4809512]

>>4809477
Consider it a blessing, I rarely get (yous) so I just treat it as their isn’t glaring issues.

[Anonymous No.4809542]

could anyone please redline adductor muscles on the right leg? i'm not sure how high should they go on the side of the leg

[Anonymous No.4809586]

>>4809542
All of them? Why the fuck would I spend my time with that shit for you

[Anonymous No.4809593]

>>4807980
am i doing fine with chest. i been feeling like shit drawing chest for 2 days so i went back to morpho.

linepaper sorry. area sold out on blank paper

[Anonymous No.4809595]

>>4809593
forgot

[Anonymous No.4809598]

>>4809424
nice realistic face

[Anonymous No.4809614]

>>4809477
Because we do not know what to say, your art is better than most of the art here. Plus your questions are seriously vague.

[Anonymous No.4809636]

>>4807980
how do i draw tiddies

[Anonymous No.4809674]

>>4807980
bump because I want feedback and some retard created a new /beg/

[Anonymous No.4809683]

>>4809595
Looking good! I haven’t read the book you’re studying, but it looks to me like you’re making the rib cage too wide. Slim it down a little bit. Other than that, make sure you’re practicing lots of different angles, even if it’s just the rib cage. It’ll pay off later

[Anonymous No.4809692]

>>4809426
this feels 70s inspired. who's your artistic influence?

[Anonymous No.4809713]

>>4809692
>>4809692
i feel like i'm shooting for somewhere between moebius and cleaner more adult anime, i.e. junji ito? i do love 70s color palettes.

Also I'm not the one complaining about not getting feedback, thats another anon. i feel like i wasnt getting feedback because i posted at fucking 5 am. i also get that its easier to say "THE ARMS ARE FUCKED" than "compositionally, i think it needs more blah blah blah" so i get that i'm seeking feedback from slightly more advanced people here, in a beg thread

[Anonymous No.4809718]

>>4809152
>>4809148
I agree with the other guy saying to ignore Proko on gesture. Totally disregard everything he says on the subject because he will just confuse you. I wish I had never seen his gesture videos because they held me back.

Gesture only means quickly capturing the pose and your goal is to make it readable. Where are the limbs? Are they pointed towards or away from you? Where are the stretches and squishes? The gesture should appear 3-d if you can.

Yes, Vilppuu is the best. Huston is good too but you can skip ahead on his old masters analysis.

[Anonymous No.4809748]

>>4809374
>>4809378
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FupeKX4NQsQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4ERO4Duqao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpnP28b3riY

[Anonymous No.4809750]

>>4809636
Feel the form

[Anonymous No.4809754]

>>4809713
>UFOs are mirrors of a psychic reality originating in the human consciousness
Isn't that just a fancy way of saying that they're imaginary?

[Anonymous No.4809760]

>>4809754
Its a weird concept. Its fan art for a book by Jacques Vallee. In it he theorizes that there could be a psychic plane or dimension that exists within ours and that ufo experiences are like us bumping into beings or eachother in that dimension and not knowing how to interpret that stimuli. Its strange and interesting, and refreshingly not him stating what he believes, but theorizing broadly and scientifically. He is pretty good about listening and postulating without falling into an "everything is aliens and theyre real and everywhere" hole.

[Anonymous No.4809782]

>>4809190
reddit

[Anonymous No.4809815]

How do I shade?

[Anonymous No.4809819]

>>4809815
go watch prokos latest video with bucci

[Anonymous No.4809834]

attempt to coom

[Anonymous No.4809842]

Are there any laws against using someone's likeness in published drawings/porn?

[Anonymous No.4809846]

>>4807980
I finished this shitty draft for a Fire Shaman dude for a DnD campaign. Before I re-draw the entire thing, is there anything I'm massively fucking up on? How screwed is the anatomy, or the proportions? Obviously I'll fix up the fire effect on the hair to make it more consistent with the magic hand-fire, and the feet are out of perspective, but other than that I don't know how I'm fucking up. Please help.

[Anonymous No.4809853]

>>4809842
It depends on the country. In Japan there is one strong anti defamation law, but I doubt the US has something similar. (If you are posting from there.)

[Anonymous No.4809905]

How did I do?

[Anonymous No.4809909]

Tear my shit up.

[Anonymous No.4809949]

Starting out today. I am hype, I try to copy some screenshots or something.

[Anonymous No.4809953]

>>4809949
i don't see that in the sticky

[Anonymous No.4809956]

>>4809953
I think applying construction on something that was constructed can work out. At least it's fun.

[Anonymous No.4809957]

>>4809949
Good on you anon. Don't let the crabs get to you

[Anonymous No.4809959]

>>4808503
harden the fuck up bitchlet

[Anonymous No.4809978]

>>4809957
Thank you. I will take the lazy route first. Copying animu and from life following controlpaint tutorials.

[Anonymous No.4809995]

>>4809978
that's not the lazy route. Copying pictures is the best thing for you to do in the beginning. When you run into plateaus, start looking art instruction

[Anonymous No.4810050]

>>4809995
Yes, I have my loomis and vilppu ready when I reach that level.

[Anonymous No.4810096]

>>4809834
bretty good lad I like it

[Anonymous No.4810165]

some dude asked me to work for him making illustrations for iphone cases and stuff. I hear Adobe illustrator is for that type of thing but all I see in youtube tutorials are complete shitty art. Anyone have any tutorial or smth that could help? I've only used photoshop before for drawing

[Anonymous No.4810235]

howd i know if ive done them correct?

[Anonymous No.4810267]

>>4810235
They're wrong. Ellipses should be symmetrical

[Anonymous No.4810275]

>>4810235
you didnt. try with pencil. you need to loosen up to make nice curves

[Anonymous No.4810280]

pls respond

[Anonymous No.4810286]

>>4809905
Anyone?
Mostly interested in how the shapes read, and how the face seems. It is obviously quite stylized, but stiil. And of course if there's any glaring mistakes.

[Anonymous No.4810309]

>>4810280
This is great, keep it up.
Continue to refine your drafting ability and really dial in your value structure. Don't take /ic/'s bait, you are on a good path

[Anonymous No.4810320]

>>4809815
Go watch Sycra's Foundations of Light and shadow series.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q-LZVFZuGE&list=PLV2X3tgajVlHkH3FHxm3rLZWqScFTRhtv

[Anonymous No.4810324]

What is the best resource for studying anatomy, volume and anime heads? Pic related is my work and I want to improve

[Anonymous No.4810366]

>>4810235
Not bad but like others are saying you should do this on paper. Also don't use the undo function so much. I can see through your lies.

[Anonymous No.4810383]

>>4810366
>Also don't use the undo function so much. I can see through your lies.

[Anonymous No.4810523]

Total noob but trying

[Anonymous No.4810541]

>>4809905
looks ok. a little unappealing imo. half to pin point exactly why. small hand, small mouth. low hairline. messy shadow. hiding the feet.don't like the hair texture. either the eyes are crooked of the mouth is because theyre not parallel. hips look fat.

[Anonymous No.4810561]

>>4810324
very beggish but very soulful. i like it anon.

[Anonymous No.4810562]

>>4809542
Adductor group is on the inside of the leg, you wouldn't see it from this angle.

[Anonymous No.4810586]

I did a second session of messing around with asses today. I think I'm slowly learning the way the thigh flows into the cheek.

[Anonymous No.4810622]

>>4810235
Know what you're drawing so you can know what you did wrong anon.

Ellipses are perfectly quartered ovals that touch the top/bottom/sides of a surrounding square.

The ellipse is perfectly divided by it's major and minor axis. From your drawings, it is clear that you have no clue what the fuck an ellipse is.

[Anonymous No.4810628]

5 minute poses using vilppu's spherical forms video.

[Anonymous No.4810641]

>>4808446
I was thinking 'what if the lightsource was a ring light' but it just looks off

>>4808589
When I first started it took about 4 hours. Now it take an hour and a half, 2 if i get distracted by other things

>>4808692
Imagination! You're not supposed to use ref for this challenge.

[Anonymous No.4810644]

>>4808822
ignore other anon, this is promising. Though if the last skull is supposed to be smiling- while cute, the thing creating the smile is the muscles on your face, not the bones.

[Anonymous No.4810660]

So I took the leap. I drove to the local art store and bought a sketch pad and some pencils of varying thickness.
I also bought a lump of clay and some tools.

I have no experience and no idea really why i bought these things out of everything they had.

Alright...where do I go from here? I'm not impulsive normally. I like structure. Are there any books with structured learning for drawing and sculpting.

[Anonymous No.4810686]

>>4810660
sticky

[Anonymous No.4810687]

got a bit carried away

[Anonymous No.4810740]

>>4810586
Looking better than before anon. Keep it up.

[Anonymous No.4810763]

>>4808503
Where do you think you are? You know this board is famous for being d/ic/ks. There is no sugar coating and I wouldn't have it any other way.

[Anonymous No.4810764]

>>4810740
Thanks anon, Iearning new techniques everyday

[Anonymous No.4810772]

>>4809276
ok anon you did good on the knee now finish whacking off and paint the rest. do it right

[Anonymous No.4810776]

>>4809909
what does it m e a n

[Anonymous No.4810928]

>>4809586
kill yourself retard

[Anonymous No.4810964]

Drawing hands because I'm horrible at them. I'm drawing more but taking a break for a brief moment to post the ones I finished. I would like some feed back.

[Anonymous No.4810974]

>>4810687
For a very brief moment I thought of this scene from Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust.

Maybe take some tills from movies or shows and do a study of them.

[Anonymous No.4810981]

>>4809345
thanks for your time anon
i will start working in those issues and posting the result

[Anonymous No.4810984]

>>4810964
Now I stopped to look at it.....wtf was I thinking with those thumbs. Fuck.

[Anonymous No.4811006]

>>4807983
>>4807984
Loosey goose

[Anonymous No.4811011]

Posted in fake /beg/ thread so reposting here

Have been learning with pen/paper, but bought a tablet to practice copying lines, boxing faces etc. Like most people I am going full retard when trying to draw with it. Any good exercises to try to get more comfortable with using a pen tablet?

[Anonymous No.4811021]

>>4808340
crit i got elsewhere said the head was too long and the jaw was to wide and not soft enough so here we go

[Anonymous No.4811033]

>>4809093
I was 25 minutes into drawing this then I realized it was pointless. From your original drawing I can tell you're on the right path and nothing I could draw/redraw would really help you.

The construction is solid and honestly I'm probably not better at rendering/light&shadow than you at this point.

From your post you already are aware of your deficiencies, the best advice I feel comfortable telling you is to keep up the goodwork. With constant practice, you'll continue to improve.

[Anonymous No.4811061]

>>4810964
are you studying from something? these look bad all around

[Anonymous No.4811082]

>>4811061
>these look bad all around
Thanks, so what am I doing wrong?

[Anonymous No.4811084]

>>4810964
>>4810984
yeah just work on measuring things out better so the proportions don't get so wonky

[Anonymous No.4811092]

>>4811011
ctrl+paint

[Anonymous No.4811093]

>>4811082
deconstruction is too advanced for you atm, if you aim is being a copyfag then use grids and never stop looking at refs if what you want is being able to draw whatever pops in your head you will need first to be able to see in 3D no memeing and to do that you need to see the forms which obviously cant, you are just symbol drawing right now.

[Anonymous No.4811097]

>>4810622
He's using the retarded Drawabox method.

[Anonymous No.4811106]

>>4811093
Dont be a dick

We're all gmi

[Anonymous No.4811114]

>>4811093
I cant draw a hand from imagination Thats why I am doing this. I am deconstructing. Using squares and cylinders and circles.

Pic related is a hand I drew without a ref

[Anonymous No.4811115]

>>4811106
stfu how am i a dick, i just said what his problems are right now, being bad it's is just a phase why do you faggots take saying to someone '' you are bad'' and why, as something wrong

[Anonymous No.4811116]

>>4811114
dios mio...

[Anonymous No.4811118]

>>4811116
This is why you never skip hand day.
Take me as a example.....a fool you never learn to draw hands

[Anonymous No.4811122]

>>4811115
Anon you can't bully here, this is my safe space.

[Anonymous No.4811150]

>>4811115
Just saying "you are bad" isnt helpful though. How do you expect people to improve if you go around calling everything shit?

[Anonymous No.4811152]

>>4811093
What is symbol drawing? Ive noticed this board likes to throw words around like the kunning drauger and the anatasia. I am not making a joke I honestly dont retain half the shit I see on this bored but it looks useless.

[Anonymous No.4811154]

>>4811150
You're bad.

[Anonymous No.4811156]

>>4811115
I love this pic, what anime? Is it good?

[Anonymous No.4811173]

>>4811152
When you draw a shape you have memorized, rather than what you actually see. For example, always drawing eyes as football shapes.

The problem with throwing that term around is that in reality you have to symbol draw eventually, unless you go to the extreme of becoming a dot-matrix printer
like this artist:

https://www.instagram.com/cj_hendry/

[Anonymous No.4811179]

>>4811033
you just turned the witcher into the yasuo homie

[Anonymous No.4811182]

>>4811114
you should use these forms(squares cylindres) to learn how to draw a hand and then use even simpler forms or shapes to to construct a hand, if you need to use cirlcles and squares just to draw a hand you are too beg yet, not that you won't be able to draw/construct with them but it will take you about ten times longer than if you have learned what you are attempting to draw beforehand, right know you are lacking all the basics info about your hands you don't even know the basic stuff like the shape onf the fingers that arent completely straigh and are not aligned equally or the shape of the hand or the correct placement of the joints and their anatomy overall, im not saying you should draw like a pro but you are an absolute beg like a doubt you ever read any book about hands, anyway to be able to deconstruc using squares cilinders and shit it will be easier if you can feel the forms unironically, but right know it doesn't look like.

as for symbol drawing is what your brain think of what something looks like instead of the actual image

[Anonymous No.4811183]

>>4811182
forgot image

[Anonymous No.4811189]

>>4811173
>When you draw a shape you have memorized, rather than what you actually see.
Huh? Aren't we supposed to break down what we see into shapes?

[Anonymous No.4811190]

>>4811182
So this is still symbol drawing?

[Anonymous No.4811192]

>>4810280
Nice middle school artwork, did you stole your little brother’s project?

[Anonymous No.4811194]

>>4808517
Who is the artist on the left? I tried to search but the google results get flooded with those shitty pinterest links that don't give anything

[Anonymous No.4811195]

>>4811190
Thats art

[Anonymous No.4811196]

>>4811190
not him, but yes. See how you dont actually break it into a 3d form but rather use ovals to represent what you see? You have created a flat 2d surface, unlike >>4811183 where in some hands they've drawn, you can literally see (or rather feel the form of) the rectangles without them even being outlined or bolded out. That is what the difference is between symbol drawing is and actually expressing/feeling the form.

[Anonymous No.4811198]

I failed again, I can see the mistakes, all of them but I don't know why I keep failing like this
Face should be smaller and lower, as of now it looks like the face doesn't match the size and placement of the ear and skull
Jaw is at the wrong angle
the side we can't see of his face is more diagonal, i drew it almost on top, place an imaginary line there
mouth and lower lip dont wrap around, the shadow below it doesnt help in giving a round sensation
lines are messy and repulsive
still cant shade
Something else to mention, I can't draw at small sizes this was meant to be smaller but it kept adding to itself

[Anonymous No.4811200]

>>4811198
unironically the schizophrenic hated himself into becoming better.

guys if even he can do it, you can

[Anonymous No.4811203]

>>4811198
By chance do you zoom in a lot when you sketch? Try not to so you keep seeing the whole picture.

[Anonymous No.4811206]

>>4811203
I don't, never zoom in as I would be fooling myself by doing so.
>>4811200
I might be better than I used to be which isn't a lot but I need to go faster than this

[Anonymous No.4811210]

>>4807980

[Anonymous No.4811242]

Tried to do it again and I failed, do I lack something?

[BLACK MILK !!aOoMlIjEQ+a No.4811249]

>>4811200
if even I can? even?
What are you implying anon? I know already
You look down on me

[Anonymous No.4811259]

>>4811242
What are you trying to do and how is this even a failure? It looks fine.

[BLACK MILK !!aOoMlIjEQ+a No.4811261]

>>4811259
I hate you, you look down on me
I'm talking about >>4811198

[Anonymous No.4811267]

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>>4811249
These suck

[Anonymous No.4811271]

>>4811261
I'm sorry I don't magically know and can differentiate certain anonymous posters from other anonymous posters.
The problem is that you're not drawing it as you see it. Literally just look at the angles of what you're drawing and copy the angles.

[Anonymous No.4811273]

Considering just switching to gouache honestly.
Watercolors are hard as balls.

[BLACK MILK !!aOoMlIjEQ+a No.4811278]

>>4811271
you implied this was my drawing >>4811242
trying to taunt me for not being able to do that
but ill let it slide
I already know I'm not drawing what I see, i just cant correct it, its hard alright

[Anonymous No.4811280]

>>4811179
>yasuo
I’m pretty sure the original was sekiro not the Witcher

[Anonymous No.4811281]

>>4811278
>Post a drawing
>Say, "Tried to do it again and I failed, do I lack something?" without ANY other context than the drawing posted
>Operate under the assumption that the drawing posted was one that you made
Wow, crazy. How could I have ever come to that conclusion?

[BLACK MILK !!aOoMlIjEQ+a No.4811283]

>>4811281
alright my bad, i'm sorry and thanks for your help anon

[Anonymous No.4811284]

>>4811273
Which one is that?
Regardless, it looks like you need better paper.
Also use darker darks to increase contrast (and "push the values")

[Anonymous No.4811288]

>>4811284
water color
yeah i figured the paper wasn't cutting it but i already inked on it.
it's hard to push values with water color.

[Anonymous No.4811290]

>>4811267
I'm >>4809846, and yes, I know it sucks. Can you please tell me specifically what makes it suck so I can make it suck less?

[Anonymous No.4811291]

>>4811267
Why thank you, you make me blush

[Anonymous No.4811294]

>>4811288
>it's hard to push values with water color.
Doesn't gauche have stronger colors? Then yeah, switching sounds good.

[Anonymous No.4811315]

>>4811281
it looks decent, i can finally move on, thanks anon

[Anonymous No.4811321]

>>4811033
thanks dude, I'll keep practicing
>>4811179
you're actually the second person to mistake him for Geralt, >>4811280 is correct though

[Anonymous No.4811327]

>>4811271
Decided to attempt to draw your ref as 15 min practice. Just want to know do you start with the outline or with details in the face?
I started by getting the angles of the outline right before delving in.

[Anonymous No.4811355]

what kind of brush does Cutesexyrobutts use for his line work?

[Anonymous No.4811370]

>>4811355
I feel like its a hard round with a opacity/flow messed with and a very controlled chicken scratching

[Anonymous No.4811371]

>>4811355
HARD

[Anonymous No.4811384]

>>4811370
yeah I was messing with the hard round with a like .60-.70 opacity and size jitter and it seems quite similar.

[Anonymous No.4811388]

>>4811267
>>4808340
>>4811021

are me. you're in /beg/. did you expect good art?

[Anonymous No.4811390]

>>4811371
shit meme

[Anonymous No.4811394]

>>4811390
except you can make that same thing with hard round brush

[Anonymous No.4811397]

First attempt at sculpture. I tried to do a head from imagination to see how well I understand the 3d forms. It went ok. Should have spent more time at the very beginning getting the overall shape of the head correct- didn't make it slope back enough.

[Anonymous No.4811405]

>>4811267
pyw

[Anonymous No.4811427]

/beg/ here bur really enjoying applying basic figure drawing and construction to create images for my mind
its actually fun to draw now!

[Anonymous No.4811464]

Some stuff I've done today

[Anonymous No.4811474]

[Anonymous No.4811500]

failed at another

[Anonymous No.4811509]

>>4811192
>>4810309

hmmmm.....

[Anonymous No.4811518]

>>4811474
It's too rough to really comment on anything. Post a more finished piece, not a fast sketch.

[Anonymous No.4811537]

This is a sketch I made

[Anonymous No.4811540]

getting sick of these gay ass “drawing on the right side of the brain” exercises bros
feels like a high school art school

[Anonymous No.4811541]

getting sick of these gay ass “drawing on the right side of the brain” exercises bros
feels like a high school art class

[Anonymous No.4811559]

>>4809345
this is the progress i made thus far
i still have some doubts but it was a improvement form the last one

[Anonymous No.4811561]

>>4811290
It sucks because it's bad and you're not good

[Anonymous No.4811563]

I lost my bookmarks.

Does anyone have the link to that fantastic website that has a bunch of real life models for figure practice?

It was a fairly basic website.

pic not mine

[Anonymous No.4811572]

>>4811559

nice lighting, reminds me of diathorn on pixiv

[Anonymous No.4811575]

>>4811563
line-of-action?

[Anonymous No.4811580]

>>4811575
not it but that will do thanks! The one I'm talking about it /very/ basic.

[Anonymous No.4811581]

>>4811580
http://www.posemaniacs.com/
quickposes.com
http://reference.sketchdaily.net/en

Any of these?

[Anonymous No.4811583]

Drew this with a mouse, what do you think? Should I bother getting a cheap, screen-less drawing tablet?

[Anonymous No.4811586]

>>4811583
forgot pic

[Anonymous No.4811587]

>>4811586
That's good for a mouse, I think you should.

[Anonymous No.4811589]

>>4811559
yes, faces are really oily.

[Anonymous No.4811593]

>>4811561
Yes I know, but can you please point out specific elements of it sucking? Are the proportions fucked? Is the lighting on the skin incorrect? Is it just soulless trash? Please help me out here.

[Anonymous No.4811630]

am i the only person who doesnt care about studying or getting good because theyre happy with their art and just want to draw for fun


ive never studied in my life and i have only drawn for a month but im so happy where im at right now

[Anonymous No.4811632]

>>4811630
yes but i want the art i draw for fun to look good

[Anonymous No.4811633]

>>4811632
yea but most people I see treat studying like a chore and cry about it
is that really how you want to live?? unhappy with your art and not treating it as a real passion

sorry idk

[Anonymous No.4811634]

>>4811630
pyw

[Anonymous No.4811645]

>>4811633
>treat studying like a chore and cry about it
it's true i do feel like that at times, but i also get a lot of dread when i look my art and it isn’t exactly what i envisioned because i lacked the skills to truly create that idea

i try to keep the idea that what i am studying is pushing me further to reach that goal someday
i also do not know entirely though. sorry.

[Anonymous No.4811647]

>>4811634
Obviously I'm not good I just started but I made this drawing of my oc right now
It's messy sorry

[Anonymous No.4811649]

>>4811647
but see, you are at a state of where your work looks at the very least mid-high beg tier so it makes sense that ur happy with it

[Anonymous No.4811652]

>>4811633
Nothing wrong with just wanting to draw for fun but people with real passion for art strive to get better at it.

[Anonymous No.4811656]

>>4811649
How is it mid-high I am bad and I just started my friends make fun of me and most in this thread are better than me.
Thanks though.
>>4811645
That's understandable I really am just pushing my own views on others since I find it painful to study.
I am glad you are trying to work hard though that is commendable.
>>4811652
Yea that is true, very sorry.

[Anonymous No.4811659]

Tried shading a bit more

[Anonymous No.4811660]

drawing only for fun? and better than me

[Anonymous No.4811662]

>>4811660
Well, if you spend less time shitposting and more practicing...

[Anonymous No.4811673]

>>4811660
Who is the character you keep using?
Is it from persona?

[Anonymous No.4811749]

how do I deal with absolute shit observation skills?

[Anonymous No.4811777]

>>4811749
Stop symbol drawing probs

https://m.barnesandnoble.com/w/keys-to-drawing-bert-dodson/1002011507

[Anonymous No.4811850]

21 aug 2020

[Anonymous No.4811868]

>>4811850
Looks not /beg/ to me. But you aren't drawing people. That's where it's easy to pick out flaws.

With objects or mechanical things like insects, especially when you're using that thick rough hatching style, there is more leeway for error.


Pen or digital?

[Anonymous No.4811872]

>>4811850
also I don't know what most of those things even are. Just random blobs and shapes. So it's hard to give any feedback. But your drawing style/technique is working very well.

[Anonymous No.4811884]

>>4811872
most of them are just random blobs and shapes, stitching random garbage together in 3d space. maybe it's more of a gd thing
>>4811868
cheers bruh. i use pen. i feel like drawing insects is better or the moment until i get used to translating stuff into forms erroneous to the subject matter, then i can move on to more complex shapes + subjects. this week it's just bugs for me though.

[Anonymous No.4811887]

This thread about reach the limit. Theres already another beg thread going

>>4808377
>>4808377

[Anonymous No.4811891]

>>4811887
god bless you for not making another one

[Anonymous No.4811899]

new thread >>4808377

new thread >>4808377

new thread >>4808377

[Anonymous No.4811913]

>>4811593
the pose itself is stiff. try doing some gesture drawings and start off the figure by trying to record the action of the figure.. You delved into colour too quickly. Do some figure studies of people standing in a similar pose and try to mimic that. The calves dont work that way, there should be shadow under him if he is standing on the ground. The toes arent boxes.

[Anonymous No.4811914]

>>4811913
doublepost. I am not >>4811561. That guy has issues

[Anonymous No.4811927]

i still dont get hands

[Anonymous No.4811929]

>>4811913
>>4811914
Great, thank you. I'll work on my gesture, calves, shadow and toes. Thank you for the help.

[Anonymous No.4811993]

>>4811198
well draw it again with your new found knowledge you dumb fuck, iterative drawing anon

[Anonymous No.4812056]

>>4811572
>diathorn
what a god

[Anonymous No.4812137]

I would like to become proficient at painting should I wait and learn to draw and shade hyper realism with pencils before moving on to coloring with paints? And second question did you have a better time learning with oil paints or watercolor’s or is it just preference?

[Anonymous No.4812533]

Does anyone draw with a mouse or does it make no sense? I'm guessing drawing tablets are a must for anyone who really wants to learn how to draw properly.

[Anonymous No.4812538]

>>4812533
>>4811586

[Anonymous No.4812577]

>>4812533
if I really wanted a creative output and had no pens to draw with and had to use a mouse I would just learn all the ins and outs of photoshop editing

[Anonymous No.4812638]

>>4812538
That's pretty nice for being drawn with a mouse.
>>4812577
I do that but it's pretty much graphic design at that point, not drawing. Still a nice creative skill to have.

[Anonymous No.4812641]

>>4812638
>pretty much graphic design
Yes. So save up or buy some charcoal/graphite and paper.

[Anonymous No.4812973]

>>4811397
nice

[Anonymous No.4813501]

trying to get better at head construction wondering if anything looks off