What are the biggest NGMI filters

[Anonymous No.4795993]

I’ll start
>Skips fun with a pencil for loomis heads
>only practices fundamentals
>doesn’t read the sticky
>How to draw
>Drawing in the right side of the brain
>Drawing for fun

[Anonymous No.4796000]

>>4795993
My style

[Anonymous No.4796003]

>>4795993
Oh god why do I relate so much to that image.

[Anonymous No.4796010]

>>4795993
I don't know why you guys keep on roasting that hard wokring annon. Gains are slow but he will make it

[Anonymous No.4796023]

>>4795993
>I’ll start
>>Skips fun with a pencil for loomis heads
>>only practices fundamentals
Loomis sucks balls and grinding fundies is retarded.

[Anonymous No.4796025]

>>4796023
pyw and show true way of just draw

[Anonymous No.4796026]

>>4795993
I don’t find the pieces in the pictures that bad. There are literally dozens of loomis shitters who didn’t even last half that long

[Anonymous No.4796027]

>>4796025
No, I want to have less competition

[Anonymous No.4796033]

>>4796027
very nice

[Anonymous No.4796034]

>>4795993
>doesn't use the hard round brush

[Anonymous No.4796037]

>>4796023
One word: pyw

[Anonymous No.4796068]

>>4796023
Loomis is good but only if you have the basics down

[Anonymous No.4796074]

>>4796010
Not even roasting him I am just listOmg the traps the crabs tell people like do loomis head or read how to draw when those /begs/ aren’t ready as they can’t even draw a line that doesn’t wobble or a convincing circle. Another one I hate is don’t read drawing on the side of brain or don’t do drawabox those are extremely helpful for complete begs.

[Anonymous No.4796090]

>>4795993
Hard Round Brush

[Anonymous No.4796095]

The imagination drawing are quite good. The collage just shows what jealous cunts roam this board

[Anonymous No.4796101]

>>4796026
>>4796010

it's not looking good for you fellas on the make it scale.

1 - 5 years of studying and you can tell the anon has not let their original vision come through yet, there's a clear case of study sickness

2 - 1.5 hours per day is nowhere near enough time to see significant progress anyway, but for 5 years, the anon should have gotten way further.

3 - line exercises are a complete waste of time, learn good lines from drawing a lot and being mindful of your lines


also despite the OP's retarded opinion, this anon is a good example why drawing for fun is a requirement to be GMI

[Anonymous No.4796102]

>>4795993
Making these threads?

>>4796034
>>4796090
What is this meme, i've seen it posted around the board frequently for a while now?

[Anonymous No.4796109]

>>4796010
Isn't it a chick?

[Anonymous No.4796119]

>>4796010
at that rate, It would take another 30 years for him to make it

[Anonymous No.4796122]

I think this image trying to illustrate the 'look he draws amazing from ref but shit from imagination' is kind of off. Those drawings from ref aren't really anything crazy. I'd say they're at the same level as his ones from imagination.

[Anonymous No.4796125]

>>4795993
man how does this happen. Is loomis/fundies really a meme?

[Anonymous No.4796126]

>>4795993

biggest filter:

actually drawing

[Anonymous No.4796127]

>>4796125
YES.
You do loomis and fundies when you noticed that your skills are lacking for the things you actually want to draw. it is SO FUCKING DUMB to grind in art.
the only book I can recommend for total beginners who never drew before is keys to drawing but thats it. you need to draw what you enjoy otherwise you get filtered by the grind study meme.

[Anonymous No.4796128]

> doesn’t understand observation and reference are a necessary part of building a visual library

> comments harshly on others people’s art but doesn’t post their own for criticism

> defends against all forms of constructive criticism instead of seeing what can be learned

> doesn’t set learning goals, plans or any form of structure to their progress

[Anonymous No.4796131]

>>4795993
how does he draw now ? Any link to his DA?

[Anonymous No.4796133]

>doesn't finish anything, waits till he is "good enough" and keeps grinding things he doesn't even want to draw
yes anon. I am talking about (You).

[Anonymous No.4796134]

>>4796128
> doesn’t set learning goals, plans or any form of structure to their progress
Fuck

[Anonymous No.4796135]

>>4796101
How is my opinion retarded if you can’t draw fun for you won’t progress.

[Anonymous No.4796136]

>>4796101
Did he really practice just 1.5 hours each day?

[Anonymous No.4796141]

>>4796125
Loomis is a trap for beg who don’t know how to make non wobbly lines or shapes and fundies need to be supplemented with fun drawing and finishing projects to actually absorb them. They aren’t memes it just nobody tell people how to apply them

[Anonymous No.4796158]

>>4796141
so basically if you're /int level there's no need for loomis, and you can just go on about copying and studying from other artists you like?

[Anonymous No.4796159]

>>4796141
>They aren’t memes it just nobody tell people how to apply them
so, meme.
Yes.

[Anonymous No.4796164]

>>4795993
>Drawing for fun
I am pretty sure the guy in OP's pic has been successfully avoiding drawing for fun since he began.

[Anonymous No.4796165]

>>4796158
if you are int then loomis will help you fill the gaps of some things you dont know.
by you question you are a beg, just draw

[Anonymous No.4796183]

Feels like rendering > Lineart.
Normies love a mediocre rendered drawing much more than a black & white drawing with mediocre lineart.
Is lineart just a meme?

[Anonymous No.4796212]

Draw 250 boxes

[Anonymous No.4796574]

>>4796183
I mean, if you're referring to whatever the general population likes more, then yes, rendering >>>>> lineart.
But normies aren't everything. You should also focus on your own interests within illustration. So if lineart is your thing then go for it, but obviously just remember that the only people you're going to impress is other artists (and yourself).

[Anonymous No.4796583]

>>4796574
>>4796183
the fuck are you two on about, anime and cartoonish styles are far more popular than non-lineart rendering
if you mean that people like coloured drawings more than ink then yes, but that’s not a matter of rendering

[Anonymous No.4796587]

>>4796583
But obviously normies prefer a sub-par drawing as long as it has good rendering (color, shading, material use), rather than a black-and white Kim Jung Gi sketch. That was the point.

[Anonymous No.4796590]

>>4795993
May be if I work hard enough in 10 years I'll be where he was in 2014

[Anonymous No.4796602]

>>4796119
and?

[Anonymous No.4796608]

>>4796602
Talented would get there in 2-3 years

[Anonymous No.4796611]

>>4796608
and?

[Anonymous No.4796638]

>>4796611
People who obsess over how to get good in an incredibly short timeframe are almost always younger kids who don’t have a good frame of reference or reality towards the merits of time and effort. To a teenager, 5 years might be a third or a fourth of their life so it seems daunting; to someone who’s 40, it’s only an eighth. So when you tell a young person ‘Your effort will pay off in 5-10 years’ they can’t conceive of deferring gratification or success that far off and you get crazy posts like ‘I’m gonna kms because some person got good in one year’ or ‘How much do I have to grind to make it in a year’ and so on.

[Anonymous No.4796666]

>>4795993
I think the reason the artist in the op pic failed is that he didnt really stretch his boundaries with the exercises, theyre mostly basic stuff made pretty, those pivots or whatever they're called , he didnt really bother to dig into the anatomy, or perspective.... his cubes and stuff are just very basic stuff....
If you want to improve you need to go to uncharted territories with everything, try longer cubes ,shorter cubes, cubes from different points of view, etc. this can be pretty much applied to anything... You don't really need a fuckbunch of books to improve, unless you dont want to ever get creative and just want to regurgirate data that is given to you instead of generating data...

[Anonymous No.4796688]

>>4796666
Whoa man... That's like... So deep...

[Anonymous No.4796735]

>>4796133
What's wrong with that?

[Anonymous No.4796740]

>>4796587
again, that’s not rendering, that’s colour

[Anonymous No.4796742]

>>4796740
rendering includes color and shading idiot

[Anonymous No.4796747]

>>4796740
to clarify, I’m staying that a piece with good line work and even flat colours would fare better than a rendering focused painting without lineart
people just want colour, not rendering

[Anonymous No.4796751]

>>4796742
no it doesn’t, you fucking retard, greyscale rendering is still rendering
the critical element is COLOUR, not the actual rendering

[Anonymous No.4796753]

>>4796751
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5xrXfuukL4
>Rendering in visual art and technical drawing means the process of formulating, adding color, shading, and texturing of an image
get fucked retard

[Anonymous No.4796758]

>>4796753
no it isn’t you stupid faggot, flat colors aren’t rendering

[Anonymous No.4796762]

>>4796758
yes it is, per definition. Generally speaking, everything about a drawing except the linework is rendering. Look at Scott Robertsons "How to Render" book. Guess what it's about? Shading, lighting, and coloring. NOT linedrawing.

[Anonymous No.4796764]

>>4796762
Nigger, half the book teaches how to render without color.
COLOR =/= RENDERING

[Anonymous No.4796768]

>>4796764
bitch listen. Color is rendering, but it's not the only form of rendering. A pear is a fruit, but it's not the only fruit.

[Anonymous No.4796770]

>>4796762
there is no definition for rendering in art, it’s an appropriated term
by definition, drawing literally anything in any way whatsoever is rendering

[Anonymous No.4796772]

You guys talk about the dumbest shit sometimes.

[Anonymous No.4796773]

>>4796770
that makes no sense, people obviously use it to mean shading and coloring, so we have a term for the parts of drawing that does not include the linework. Otherwise why the fuck have the word at all.

[Anonymous No.4796778]

>>4796768
here’s your rendering, bro

[Anonymous No.4796787]

>>4796773
rendering literally just means depiction
to render is to depict
it was brought over from 3d
the definition you’re claiming says it means what you think it means literally doesn’t exist

[Anonymous No.4796791]

>>4796666
nobody beholded this quads?

you guys are stupid niggers
go choke on your fucking wacom pen

[Anonymous No.4796793]

>>4796773
crack open a dictionary dude

[Anonymous No.4796796]

>>4796787
again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5xrXfuukL4
>Rendering in visual art and technical drawing means the process of formulating, adding color, shading, and texturing of an image

and the Scott Robertson book called "How to Render" about coloring and shading, which is in stark contrast to his book "How to Draw" where he focuses on linework. Why do you think he used the word "render" which according to you is synonymous with "drawing" if the book is specifically not about linework?

[Anonymous No.4796808]

>>4796796
do you understand what the word “definition” means?
protip: it doesn’t mean some faggot on youtube
robertson’s book is about rendering volumes and light, it is not about color, you stupid faggot.
> Building on what Thomas Bertling and I wrote about in How To Draw: Drawing and Sketching Objects and Environments from Your Imagination, this new book shares almost everything we know about how to render light, shadow and reflective surfaces.
>Before getting started, there are a few important things to understand about how this book is organized. It is divided into two major sections: the first explains the physics of light and shadow. You will learn how to construct shadows in perspective and how to apply the correct values to those surfaces. The second section focuses on the physics of reflectivity ond how to render a very wide range of materials utilizing this knowledge.
>This book is about the fundamentals of light, shadow and reflectivity.
Rendering is TECHNIQUE.

[Anonymous No.4796825]

Using the lack of owning expensive items as an excuse for not draw when you can't even do the basics with white paper and pencil.

[Anonymous No.4796837]

Not caring about being nice

[Anonymous No.4796838]

>>4795993
Just drawing whatever for your first year

[Anonymous No.4796840]

Refusing to drop chan culture shit. If you can't act like a normal human being you will never be able to network enough to have a stable income or any sort of recognition.

[Anonymous No.4796841]

>>4796837
this

[Anonymous No.4796848]

>>4796666
Devilish

[Anonymous No.4796885]

>>4795993
how can you draw that long and still never grasp proportion?

[Anonymous No.4796907]

>>4796125
fundies are good, they just never moved on from like chapter 1 of fundies for whatever reason, its just all drawing shape and lines and circles

[Anonymous No.4796917]

>>4796136
Thats barely my warm up

[Anonymous No.4796943]

>>4795993
>tfw I have triple the stack and just as bad
Not gonna even post it. Don't want to become even more of a laughing stock. But talent isn't real guys

[Anonymous No.4796951]

>>4796943
talent is real, dont fall for loomis zealots bait
now im curious, post at least your most recent, best work

[Anonymous No.4797055]

>>4796943
Pls realize that appeal is incredibly important to study. The sooner you accept that appeal is as critical as anatomy and perspective then you will start to improve. Idk what ic's beef with admitting the truth is

[Anonymous No.4797127]

>>4796602
soul vs soulless

[Anonymous No.4797132]

>>4797055
how do you study appeal? isntt it subjective?

[Anonymous No.4797133]

>>4797055
I don't know how to improve anymore.

[Anonymous No.4797135]

>>4796183
D-did i opened a can of worm??
I just want to clarify that by saying rendering, i do mean those with colors, not just grey shading or light.
And it only applies to mediocre drawings, not those as good as Kim Jung Gi or other pro levels.

[Anonymous No.4797147]

>>4797132
There's some formulas/tricks behind it though.
like pic related.
this is from bert dodson's keys to drawing
There's plenty of tips and tricks that help you take note of making appealing arts.

[Anonymous No.4797156]

>>4796951
how about having talentand also applying loomis methods?

[Anonymous No.4797162]

>>4797132
Absolutely is subjective. You can study what you find appealing and take the chance of not finding a market but being self satisfied OR you can study what is common and already appeals to a large audience for guaranteed marketability but ultimately less success than a unique style. Unique style is always risky but pays off much more than going with what’s already established. I recommend studying what’s already popular then later on transitioning to what you genuinely like.

[Anonymous No.4797174]

>>4797156
if you're truly talented, you create your own method.

[Anonymous No.4797329]

>>4795993
this is the scariest image ive ever seen. is there an opposite/counter-image? like one of an /ic/ anon who was rubbish and became great, or do they just not exist?

[Anonymous No.4797333]

>>4795993
I think the issue is lack of direction. Grinding blindly without an end goal can do this to anyone. I see huge gains by artists who try to imitate techniques of their idols, again and again, even if shitty, eventually their going to make a breakthrough out of sheer desire and hard work.

[Anonymous No.4797334]

>>4797329
Not necessarily rubbish but are a lot of examples if you look at galleries on pixiv, twitter of mid-/beg/s improving to /adv/. The artists are just too humble to show off their progress.

[Anonymous No.4797373]

>>4796611
what if you got corona or some other meme disease before making it? we're all racing against time

[Anonymous No.4797408]

>>4795993
difference me and that idiot in the op
>do something
>it's trash
>check how good artists do the thing and copy them
>do the thing pretty correctly from now on
NGMI If you're reinventing the wheel

[Anonymous No.4797411]

>>4797329
It should be a lesson draw for fun equally as much as you study. I don’t mean have fun ethier I mean play around with the knowledge you studied for about 1-3 hours per day. The common mistake people make is thinking fun drawing should feel fun in the beginning. It very uncomfortable but once you get over it and can consistently do it your gains will sky rocket

[Anonymous No.4797532]

>>4796135
OP listed drawing for fun as a sign of NGMI, that's what i was referring to being a retarded take

[Anonymous No.4797535]

>>4797408
so many miss this vital step, and i don't understand why it's such uncommon advice

[Anonymous No.4797638]

>>4795993

>>4797626

[Anonymous No.4797641]

>>4797408
How is OP reinventing the wheel? If he gonna copy good artists does that also count as reinventing the wheel?

[Anonymous No.4797644]

The strongest filter is laziness of people.

[Anonymous No.4797705]

>>4797535
>and i don't understand why
They have don't understand how to consciously improve and are consequently vexed (and often turn into crabs) when people who are actively learning blow by their SEVEN YEARS HAND DRAWN in two weeks of directed effort.

[Anonymous No.4798089]

>>4797638
Actually a good post
But I think it speaks to a bigger problem on /ic/ I think that advanced artist are recommending advance books to /begs/. At least for me that was my issue I couldn’t use loomis because I barely knew how to draw, use refrence, and copy/study work. When I stepped back and read the keys to drawing and doing draw a box things started to make more sense. On top of this doodling and sketching for entertainment outside of study really helped me absorb my study knowledge into semi useful things I can use for my own projects. I think if anyone on /ic/ of any skill level wants to get better they have to make a plan, constantly critique their own work to find their weaknesses and strengths, and read/watch the whole book/video. They also should doing art everyday even if for a few minutes. Also find people who are better then you copy and try to figure out what makes the drawing work or look nice.

[Anonymous No.4798204]

>>4798089

You see, one of the biggest problem is that people usually don't have a plan.
Most of them study random stuff with no purpose.
Your approach is good because you apply it to personal work. And when you notice you suck at something, you study that specific thing because you WANT to improve that part of a personal project.

[Anonymous No.4799756]

>>4796131
He doesn't draw anymore

[Anonymous No.4799801]

>>4799756
I feel incredibly sad right now.

[Anonymous No.4799855]

>>4799756
>>4799801
Your boy is still going strong on twitter as of may of this year and has his own blog, He's gonna make it someday.

[Anonymous No.4799868]

>>4796638
day-old post but i needed to read something like this, thanks. i stress too much about how slow my progress is compared to others.

[Anonymous No.4799908]

>>4799756
>He doesn't draw anymore
He doesn't draw anime anymore

[Anonymous No.4799998]

>>4796735
Look at the OP

[Anonymous No.4800001]

>>4796133
fuck fuck fuck

[Anonymous No.4800392]

The stack in OP picture isn’t even that much. You would be surprised at how much pros created before they made it, but these „one year to make it“ simps hate to acknowledge that

[Anonymous No.4800404]

Is there any record on how much the guy in OP pic drew per day? I suspect it wasn’t for more than three hours each day

[Anonymous No.4800407]

>>4800404
It was 1.5 hours per day

[Anonymous No.4800415]

>>4800407
It sounds a lot when you are busy, but at the grand scheme of things it’s almost nothing. Over five years you get under three thousand hours in which isn’t a lot. If that guy lurks here somehow he should ramp up the hours per day to four or five to make significant progress

[Anonymous No.4800472]

>>4799855

[Anonymous No.4802124]

>>4795993
>go to his blog
>look through some of the entries
>""*sigh* another unproductive month, i only got one page of doodles done the entire time..."
i think i can see the problem

[Anonymous No.4802512]

>>4797147
isn't this composition?

[Anonymous No.4802746]

>>4795993
where did this guy go wrong? grinding fundies instead if making art?

[Anonymous No.4803483]

>>4802746
bingo you can't just practice and expect to get better with actually drawing finished works

[Anonymous No.4803489]

>>4795993
Posting in /ic/

[Anonymous No.4803494]

>>4803483
But how exactly do you draw "finished" work? What does that even mean?

[Anonymous No.4803539]

>>4803494
Uh you finish the drawing Cleanly or at least tight instead of leaving it a sketch. Retard.

[Anonymous No.4804240]

>>4795993
if you find a place where youre working consistently, with deadlines and a team you will improve rapidly just through sheer necessity believe in yourself!

[Anonymous No.4804264]

>>4795993
>Drawing on the right side of the brain
If you don’t understand the value of this, yet you decided to post a list of «useless shit», you have some serious dunning-krueger.

[Anonymous No.4804369]

>>4795993
Just one of the countless proofs that art is based on inherent genetic and innate talent.

[Anonymous No.4804373]

>>4795993
I have teen of these stacks standing in my cellar alone

[Anonymous No.4804378]

>>4804373
Ten

[Anonymous No.4804472]

>>4795993
shitpost on /ic/

[Anonymous No.4804474]

>>4795993
>Skips fun with a pencil for loomis heads
Literally almost every professional in the industry

[Anonymous No.4804561]

>>4799855
:')

[Anonymous No.4804870]

>>4795993
You got a better resolution image of that greenhouse drawing? Honestly the OP image has some pretty good lights/darks and dynamic colors in the environment drawings, that's one of the better looking greenhouse drawings I've seen.