/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.4786144]

>Chicken scratching is bad
>Erasing is bad
>Tracing anime is bad

So why do the pros do ALL of these things?

[Anonymous No.4786146]

Shut up already nigger faggot

[Anonymous No.4786147]

>>4786144
>Mistaking line searching for chicken scratching
Back to /beg/

[Anonymous No.4786149]

>>4786144
it's bad for learning but good for speed

[Anonymous No.4786150]

>>4786144
i am so fucking sick of begs using words they dont even understand
shut the fuck off retard and stop making shitty threads. fuck you

[Anonymous No.4786157]

>>4786147
Holy shit thank you for this, I never knew this messy line technique had an actual name. I thought it was just a sign of a non-confident artist

[Anonymous No.4786158]

>>4786144
Is this a bait post? He's not tracing he's just using reference. Because he's drawing Saitama in his art style, not everyone is Kim Jung Gi and can just magically pull drawings out of their asses without using reference.

[Anonymous No.4786167]

>>4786144
Who said that erasing is bad?

[Anonymous No.4786175]

>>4786144
comic artists can be /beg/ in every area and still be good comic artists

[Anonymous No.4786182]

>>4786144
Hard Round Brush

[Anonymous No.4786237]

>>4786144
Erasing isn't bad, it will just inhibit your learning. And yes, chickenscratch is bad.

[Anonymous No.4786241]

>>4786144
>posts a video of a professional artist imitating an amateur

[Anonymous No.4786282]

>>4786158
he need to reference himself?

[Anonymous No.4786291]

>>4786144
Why do you /beg/tards always trying so hard to find excuses to not improve? You could spent all of that wasted time drawing, but nooooo you just wanted be some lazy faggot.

[Anonymous No.4786292]

>>4786282
Yes that’s how it works. What do you even think reference sheets for animation are?

>>4786167
OP probably took the general advice of “try to practice with a pen (or don’t erase) to improve your line confidence and mileage” and misinterpreted everything about it. He should be drawing instead of making these shitty bait threads. Hell I should be drawing instead of responding to them.

[Anonymous No.4786296]

>>4786144
nobody takes you seriously when associate with chickens, all your potential clients will avoid you because they see you scratching and think you have birdflu.
erasing is a horrible thing to do because every brush stroke gives life to a new dimension of tiny graphite creatures that live on your paper pulp, then you erase them youre as good as a terrorist. dont erase.
dont trace anime cos anime is for kids.

[Anonymous No.4786304]

Incredibly fucking stupid you are

1. It's not chicken scratch, his lines are bold and confident - restating lines to find the right one so then he can do the FINAL LINES IN INK dipshit

2. Erasing is bad if you're learning, this guy is not learning, he's producing artwork

3. Tracing something to speed up the art creation process, something that the artist already created - it's not the same as some dumbass who can't create anything of their own

[Anonymous No.4786305]

>>4786144
As always the pros aren't the ones telling you not to do it, it's the teachers, and wannabes that end up as teachers that are feeding you this shit. Now get back to work.

[Anonymous No.4786320]

>>4786144
Professional artists can break the rules to get the desired effect, like shortcuts and style, because they know how it's done properly and have done it probably 10000 times already.
A /beg/inner can't break rules that he doesn't know. Using shortcuts to processes he doesn't understand and drawing in his 'style' will only result in him wasting his chances of becoming GMI.

[Anonymous No.4786341]

[Anonymous No.4786351]

>>4786146
Hard Round Brush

[Anonymous No.4786352]

>>4786282
>>4786292
also, he's not referencing himself there, the original webcomic.

[Anonymous No.4786448]

>>4786167
Anons here say erasing removes soul.

[Anonymous No.4786503]

>>4786448
Yes it erases soul

This is why you shouldn’t put all the soul into your sketch, do it quickly its a sketch. Then impart your soul into the lineart.

Lineart is where you bring the drawing to life. Everything else is just an ephemeral sketch and will disappear.

[Anonymous No.4786509]

>>4786503
Everything will disappear.
Horcruxes aren't eternal, Voldemort.

But seriously how can you make something good without good construction?

[Anonymous No.4786806]

>>4786144
There are no rules jn art. Youve just read someones opinion

[Anonymous No.4786814]

What is chicken scratching and why is it bad? New.

[Anonymous No.4786954]

>>4786144
If pro does a bad habit you should to ? Dumbass look how many times murata erase instead of committing to one line. That trial and error is holding his speed back. Still his line stroke are confident asf idk maybe a mangaka thing. Can't even compare that to a beg scratch cuz he can't draw a fkin curve

[ta-kun No.4787043]

>>4786144
DUBS!
I like to call this the "sit-up effect"
You often see people who would protest traditional push ups because they didn't give them abs in a month.
People who fail a certain way often discourage others from a certain path. They do it regardless of the success of their current path, or knowing for sure that the method was inherently flawed.
It's also a lot of ego. it makes you sound tough.
>Figuring out the line?! I know exactly where the line should go and I do it with elegance!
>An eraser?! I don't make mistakes, and if I do I commit!
>I will not humble myself to study from others! I shall forge my own path!

In the end, drawing is similar to solving a math problem. It doesn't matter if you solved it in your head or on paper, it's the final result that matters, and if you made a miscalculation confidently, not caring to fix it, the fool is you.

Murata is a wonderful example to study from, He is not only an incredible artist who works really hard, but he also humbles himself by trying to replicate other artstyles and techniques. He is constantly growing.

[Anonymous No.4787059]

>>4786814
Its like this

[Anonymous No.4787073]

>>4787059
incredibly messy, yes, but that's not chicken scratching you neanderthal.

[Anonymous No.4787077]

>>4787073
so you explain it, faggot

[Anonymous No.4787097]

>>4787077

[Anonymous No.4787110]

>>4787097
Literally what I posted. Did your mother drop you as a child?

[Anonymous No.4787115]

>>4787059
Retard

[Anonymous No.4787118]

>>4787110
Are you fucking blind? You’re never going to do shit if you can’t see the difference

[Anonymous No.4787131]

I saw this in my timeline and it made me physically cringe

[Anonymous No.4787142]

>>4787131
Anime vag n boobs make me gag too

[Anonymous No.4787152]

>>4786157
oof

[Anonymous No.4787213]

>>4786509
>how can you make something good without good construction?
You need talent, son.
And we are out of it.

[Anonymous No.4787214]

>>4787131
literally nothing wrong with this

[Anonymous No.4788232]

>>4787110
anon... :D

[Anonymous No.4788252]

>>4787097
I stopped doing that when I started two weeks ago. I recognized this as something heinous immediately. My lines were more shit and it didn't help at all so I dropped that shit and just focus super saiyan god instead.

[Anonymous No.4788586]

>>4787043
> it's the final result that matters
That's true, but if you don't work smart you will take far too long to solve a simple problem.
To extend your math metaphor, you could arrive at the answer of 14651 * 54984 purely through addition, but it would be much simpler and faster just to learn your multiplication tables.

[Anonymous No.4790122]

>>4787131
It probably took them a bit longer, they're not as confident with their lines, but if I could look at that drawing and seek out the right lines from it, it works for its intended purpose. Not chicken scratch, just in-experienced line searching

[Anonymous No.4790161]

>>4786144
A good artist can make most things look good so long as they know their limits and do it with purpose.
A beginner doing these things is just using a crutch that stabs their leg whenever they use it.

[Anonymous No.4790165]

>>4787059
stop misleading people you asshat

[Anonymous No.4790264]

>>4786144

[Anonymous No.4790340]

Lemme point out the most important thing here:

>pros can't have bad habits
Even if OP's video proved a point, doesn't mean artists do it because it's efficient, but rather because they never got rid of all bad habits.

Many singers drink, smoke, cough. Those are bad for their vocal chords, so are you gonna buy a metric ton of cigars for yourself?

[Anonymous No.4790713]

>>4790340
If you're talking about the OP video, he's neither chicken scratching nor is he tracing anything.
If you're talking in general, then I guess it's partly true, though I doubt that you can work efficiently in a professional environment if you keep making beginner mistakes.
Also the singing analogy doesn't really make sense since drinking and smoking aren't things that people do in a musical context. Bad drawing habits on the other hand only effect you if you're drawing.

[Anonymous No.4790720]

>>4786144
>Erasing is bad
No competent artist ever said that.

[Anonymous No.4791018]

>>4790713
You are incredibly dumb, since you can't even tell whether or not I'm referring to OP's video or not, so I'll just ignore everything you just said.

[Anonymous No.4791088]

>>4787110
Bruh

[Anonymous No.4791094]

>>4791018
stupid retard. did you even read what you wrote?

[Anonymous No.4791096]

>>4786144
why does no one here know what the fuck chicken scratching is

[Anonymous No.4791567]

>>4791096
they internalize a great fear of chicken scratching when learning to draw and mistakenly extend that fear to line searching

[Photobasher/over painter No.4793237]

>>4786144
back to /beg/

[Anonymous No.4794632]

Chicken scratching is an admission that you lack confidence in your markmaking skills. A lack of confidence can lead to confused perspective and anatomy, since you are no longer committing to one conscious line, but draw approximate strokes that segment into eachother. Of course, you can become a good artist and still have the habit of chicken scratching, but you're slowing down the pace you learn for the sake of remaining in your comfort zone.

[Anonymous No.4797253]

>>4786144
>Erasing is bad
Who the fuck ever said that?

[Anonymous No.4797286]

>>4786182
>filename

[Anonymous No.4797288]

>>4786305
i dont usually see pros give art tips one way or the other though

[Anonymous No.4797305]

>>4787115
>>4787118
>>4788232
>its only chicken scratching if its short
bad lines are bad lines, anons.

[Anonymous No.4797645]

>>4797305
>its only chicken scratching if its short
because it IS chicken scratching, an action/habit that make you draw bad lines .
Have you ever seen a chicken scratches? Your hand does the similar when you lack confident and focus to draw a line, thus making it look like a string of small scratches that barely connect together

[Anonymous No.4797760]

>>4787059
ngmi

[Anonymous No.4797787]

>>4797286
I've been thinking, how true is that pic?

[Anonymous No.4797833]

>>4797286

[Anonymous No.4798000]

>>4786157
You are a textbook retard. Did you ever have a single original thought in your life?

[Anonymous No.4798003]

>>4791096
Because 99% is just beginners grinding loomis and searching the internet for sportscars and yachts to buy from that money as a professional

[Anonymous No.4798128]

>>4786814
The actual meaning of the term is that you don't draw lines like
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but
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where the spaces are stops, it means that you're hesitant
drawing multiple lines one over the other can also be messy depending on how ambiguous your end drawing turns out (usually if you press down a lot which is another sign of being a /beg/), but the actual definition of chicken scratching is literally that you draw broken lines little by little
when /ic/ says it it means that you are not popular
if you are not popular your sketchy drawing is chicken scratch even if it's not chicken scratch but just messy
if you are popular or Japanese you're not chicken scratching, it's just a messy "feeling the lines" thing even when it's 100% chicken scratching by a turd polishing pornfag
there are no other criteria behind it, it just means "it's not anime / not popular / not porn so it's bad"