/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.4778961]

I wish porn wasn't so fucking popular

[Anonymous No.4778970]

>>4778961
Where there's money there's work, and dickbrains have had the most money for a while now. Same reason anime devolved into moeshit and seasonal trash. Porn would be less popular if there were patrons throwing big money into other areas/genres, but there aren't

[Anonymous No.4779091]

>>4778961
The generation of coombrains and simps will last forever, anon.

[Anonymous No.4779101]

>>4778961

[Anonymous No.4779110]

pornlets, when will they learn?

[Anonymous No.4779116]

>>4778961
I hate coom art without soul. So long as a coom artist is doing it for passion first and foremost and the money is instrumental to sustain a lifestyle that facilitates drawing coom, then I can respect it. But if it he coom artist just makes coom for $ then it is always reflected in basic boring art.
If you want to see coom with soul, look up Go Nagai or Paolo Serpieri. If you want to see soulless coom, just look out for whatever twitter artists are trendchasing and drawing fanart of this week’s in-character.

[Anonymous No.4779328]

Do you feel forced to believe that if you don't draw anime titties you wont make it to relevancy or big social media numbers?
I get that.
But I highly doubt that the majority of new artists starting to lurk into art communities and the industry, don't start by having some resentment against porn because the reality doesn't coincide with their ideal.
>"if i want my existence to even be considered, i MUST draw porn but i don't really want to force myself to draw what i do not want but i want big social media numbers and make money by drawing what i want"
Not gonna happen unless you already made a name for yourself.
You have to learn the market and it's demand, if you meet those demands you will be rewarded. Demand for lewd/porn/pinups/pornfanart etcetera is damn high, the beast is insatiable and most people are unable to control their dicks.
If you want to go deeper into the porn problem, the root of all it is the society.
Porn wouldn't be this popular and people wouldn't be addicted to the many things they are if the world out there wasn't such a hellhole full of shitty people and shitty things.
Addiction is a coping mechanism. Porn consumption is mostly coping with the lack of intimacy and/or emotional neglect.
There are plenty of artist that have made it without pandering with porn and many artists that draw titties because they simply want to.
Titties will always be popular because we're all hairless monkeys.
Want do make it without porn? Make something interesting and instead of complaining why people don't find your work interesting, refine your work and make it interesting.
Removing porn from the playing field will not make your work suddenly popular; It will make porn only more sought after and make porn artists even richer.

Want to know the secret to art?
Discard any expectations. Remove ego. Just draw.
Now stop spamming and gtfo my board, hyperbeg.

[Anonymous No.4779792]

>>4779328
This dude is so reasonable that I can accept this board to be his.

[Anonymous No.4779793]

>>4779328

as a former philosophy major ty for that image

[Anonymous No.4779836]

>>4779101
whoa dude.
so, if the only objective is for organisms to replicate themselves, what's the point of evolution? and don't say it's arbitrary and organisms just become "different", not better.

[Anonymous No.4779841]

>>4779328
>Porn consumption is mostly coping with the lack of intimacy and/or emotional neglect.
:(

[Anonymous No.4779959]

>>4779836
>answer me but don't answer me
You're a real faggot

[Anonymous No.4780099]

>>4779959
you can try to make the argument if you want to, but it's one of the biggest memes of evolutionary biology.

[Anonymous No.4780205]

>>4778961
Cry about it.

[Anonymous No.4781238]

>>4779328
People who consume porn and are happy about it aren't human beings, they're hollow shells.
This isn't even about subject matter, like what "genre" of art works best. It's literally about addictive practices. I don't know if it's because people have become too poor to spend money on anything but strict necessities, or if it's because they have become stupider across the board, but almost everything is converging into not just choosing what goes well with everyone but straight up addictive designs. Videogames are implementing addictive practices pulled straight off gambling. Porn is addictive as well as it fucks with your reward centers like a drug. All entertainment seems to be slowly shifting from something that people are supposed to like to something that forces you into consuming more of it. It has nothing to do with content.
>Want do make it without porn? Make something interesting and instead of complaining why people don't find your work interesting, refine your work and make it interesting.
This is fucking impossible unless you're piggybacking off of something widely established. If you want to make a horror thing with aliens it has to be an Alien franchise thing. Otherwise people won't even look at it. That's assuming you are not a company who's trying to launch a new IP, in which case you have marketing to fabricate that authority. Artists in general needed a little bit of authority to be granted to them, you have to be put on a pedestal for a second otherwise people won't give a shit. That's literally why galleries existed and artists wouldn't just sell their paintings in their backyard. But now there is literal trash that gets into museums because a bunch of crooks are laundering money and people call it "art", and everything in the public space is replaced with visual drugs. You can't compete, and honestly even if it were possible to compete it's such a thankless, shitty waste of one's life that I cannot possibly imagine being fulfilled.

[Anonymous No.4781250]

>>4781238
>I don't know if it's because people have become too poor to spend money on anything but strict necessities, or if it's because they have become stupider across the board, but almost everything is converging into not just choosing what goes well with everyone but straight up addictive designs
It's the natural trajectory of capitalism - all modes of capital production gradually evolve to be more efficient at generating capital. Addicts make better consumers than non-addicts. Unless our capitalist system is changed somehow this trend will only continue.

[Anonymous No.4781253]

i hate coom art
that is made for the sake of coom art
no taste no passion or meaning involved
just pure coom, nothing but a primal hormone that is driving it
but thats an art on its own

[Anonymous No.4781259]

>>4781253
its just another commission just another sack of hollow skin for your fanbase to jerk off to
rinse and repeat until you grow old and are forgotten
nothing of you will be remembered as you did absolutely nothing new .
atleast if u added a soul to the coom art,
everyone can tell the difference between coom art and tasteful nudity

[Anonymous No.4781262]

>>4778961
And what do you draw? Space marines and concept art?

[Anonymous No.4781263]

>>4779836
There is no point in evolution, retard. Evolution is just an observation made by humans that those organisms that can't adapt to their environment die off. There is no purpose, target or point. It's just random mutations and outside factors falling on species and then life shows if they are viable enough.

There is no just "better" in evolution. Only better for a certain set of currently present circumstances. Brain is an incredible instrument but if Earth is hit tomorrow by gamma pulse from some star that exploded hundreds of years ago humans will probably die off while shit like water bears may very well survive.

[Anonymous No.4781264]

>>4778961
sex sells but it isnt the only thing that sells.
also selling is stuff thats funny,
religious stuff,
stuff that looks good on a shirt.

[Anonymous No.4781270]

>>4781263
not the replier but i am getting sad feelz from your nihilistic view on life and its meanings
i hope one day the suffering and confusion will make sense in a way to you, i pray one day you will feel a purpose to live

[Anonymous No.4781285]

>>4781270
Purpose in life that you create for yourself has nothing to do with evolution. It is actually rooted in our hierarchical instincts but our brains grew pretty far from simply clubbing everyone else in the tribe to show superiority.

[Anonymous No.4781290]

>>4781270
He wasn't talking about the meaning of life, he was talking about evolution.

He is 100% correct: evolution as a biological process has no teleological or normative dimension, it is just a mechanism that allows replicating entities to adapt to their environment to aide the durability of their genetic code. It has nothing to say about the meaning of life one way or the other, so the original cartoon posted in >>4779101
is dumb - the fact that the organisms we evolved from survived conditions on earth and passed on their genes by focussing on eating and reproduction doesn't generate any argument at all for why WE focus on eating and reproducing, nor does it tell us what we should value in life.

[Anonymous No.4781299]

>>4781263
>it's random mutations that just so happen to independently converge in general Intelligence and cooperative-competitive social behavior across various species
Likely story. Individual mutations are random, but evolution as a process is just about as purposeful as anything without a mind gets. Every species is a hypothesis for how survival works. As more and more species come into existence and compete with each other, particular models are balanced against each other into equilibria until the conceptual landscape has been saturated and there are few static ecological niches left, at which point self-aware social and abstract-universal intelligence develop as meta-strategy that can encompass the particularities within themselves. The necessary result of evolution is that it produces creatures that can "learn" to adapt, rather than having to rely on evolutionary processes to do it for them. Intelligence isn't a freak accident, humans really are the pinnacle of evolution at this point in time.

[Anonymous No.4781300]

>>4781285
>>4781290
are you guys by anychance spiritual or religious?

[Anonymous No.4781311]

>>4781290
100% this. Anyone who makes prescriptive claims derived from natural habits is a fucking moron.

[Anonymous No.4781316]

>>4781300
Yes.

[Anonymous No.4781321]

>>4781299
>Individual mutations are random, but evolution as a process is just about as purposeful as anything without a mind gets
For something to have a *purpose* is for it to be acting in virtue of some kind of destination or goal it is directed towards. But the anon you replied to already showed how this misunderstands evolution - evolutionary trends are always a RESPONSE to the environment, otherwise they would not aid a species' survivability.

>The necessary result of evolution is that it produces creatures that can "learn" to adapt, rather than having to rely on evolutionary processes to do it for them. Intelligence isn't a freak accident, humans really are the pinnacle of evolution at this point in time.
This just misunderstands evolution. Every species currently alive is the current "pinnacle of evolution". Try living at the bottom of the ocean with the isopods and tell them humans are the pinnacle of evolution.

[Anonymous No.4781322]

>>4781316
then i dont understand why you cant find a meaning from evolution, you asked why we focus on eating and reproducing
the only answer i can find for this is that it is gods will

[Anonymous No.4781331]

>>4781321
"dude, everything is the pinnacle of evolution if it's alive and adapted to its environment. think about it, humans are no more advanced than crabs." is complete gibberish. the moment you do a structural analysis it becomes clear that general intelligence is a next-level evolutionary trait compared to being adapted to a single ultra-specific ecological niche. it's why humans took over the planet.
Kant and later Schopenhauer wrote some good stuff on natural ends and how one might conceive of teleology in systems without self-awareness.

[Anonymous No.4781337]

>>4781322
>you asked why we [should] focus on eating and reproducing
>the only answer i can find for this is that it is gods will
that's not how spirituality works, it's just a naturalistic fallacy hiding its axioms behind "god"

[Anonymous No.4781341]

>>4781337
it is A way spirituality works, there are thousands and thousands of paths you can take im giving you one

[Anonymous No.4781343]

>>4781331
>the moment you do a structural analysis it becomes clear that general intelligence is a next-level evolutionary trait compared to being adapted to a single ultra-specific ecological niche
Human Intelligence almost imploded on itself with nukes. And may very well do it again successfully. The only way you can say if the step was more successful or not is after the species died off. For now sharks and crocodiles/alligators have much more claim to being successful than humans. After we survive for 60-80 millions of years we can talk about being the "next step".

You have an inflated sense of your importance without actual achievements to back it up.

[Anonymous No.4781345]

>>4781331
I'll explain it one more time but I'm just repeating what's already been said so this will be the last time.
>"dude, everything is the pinnacle of evolution if it's alive and adapted to its environment. think about it, humans are no more advanced than crabs." is complete gibberish
How "advanced" an organism is, whatever that even means (structurally complex?), has nothing to do with evolution. Every case in evolutionary history where part of an organism has ceased to be useful to its survival and so has been lost is an instance of evolution favouring simplicity over complexity. There is no reason to think greater structural complexity would always aid an organism's ability to survive in any particular environment.

>the moment you do a structural analysis it becomes clear that general intelligence is a next-level evolutionary trait compared to being adapted to a single ultra-specific ecological niche. it's why humans took over the planet.
"Humans took over the planet" means nothing from a biological point of view. There are more rats currently alive on the planet than human beings, so biologically they have greater claim to having "taken over the planet". And again, as the other anon already mentioned, if there is ever a global environmental catastrophe, simple oceanic organisms will have a much greater chance of survival than we will.

>Kant and later Schopenhauer wrote some good stuff on natural ends and how one might conceive of teleology in systems without self-awareness.
And this is relevant why? Kant and Schopenhauer were writing long before evolution as a biological mechanism was well understood.

[Anonymous No.4781346]

>>4781343
lmao, you really have drunk the coolaid, haven't you?
>well, these animals have been around way longer than us, so they're more successful
>well, this planet is way bigger than ours so it's more important than the earth
except that's no way to measure success or importance. It doesn't matter how long humans have been around, what matters is all the incredible things we have done in that time compared to what came before.

[Anonymous No.4781348]

>>4781346
We are talking about evolution. It's about species surviving, adapting and dying off. The only achievement where evolution is concerned is surviving for as long as you can.

[Anonymous No.4781351]

>>4781346
Ignoring that you baited the other guy to pivot into the effectivity of evolution, these "incredible things" are arbitrary assignments you as a subjective agent has decided. If you want to conflate "evolution" with "purpose", then your narrative is highly confused.

[Anonymous No.4781361]

>>4781300
I have only one thing to say to this - either everything is holy or nothing is.

[Anonymous No.4781365]

>>4781348
That's wrong. Evolution doesn't have that clear of a purpose, taken at face value it's simply aprocess of the replication of identities and variations. In that context the survival of any one species (identity) isn't a success - that's just one simple way humans might interpret success when looking at the system from the outside.

[Anonymous No.4781366]

>>4779110
Legit going to create a Hitler effect sometime soon

[Anonymous No.4781369]

>>4781341
there are many paths, but I'm fairly sure this is not one of them.

[Anonymous No.4781370]

>>4781351
if we have no purpose than why is it that we apply evolution to our lives
i would say monkeys learning to use tools
or humans over many years becoming resistant to disease via medicine and hygiene is evolution,
humans could have chosen to refuse to take these medicines and the monkeys have the power to refuse to use rocks to break the coconuts but i feel as if they do it because they see a purpose in it, they have a purpose in there lives to improve there lives. which directly contributes to evolution
do u kind of get what i mean? i am rambling
please correct me if im wrong

[Anonymous No.4781373]

>>4781365
Well yeah. But there is no other measures of success you can even apply to evolution. That's the closest you can get. I stopped trying to explain the nuances long ago. People rarely listen, just too much energy spent on nothing.

[Anonymous No.4781374]

>>4781369
well what is your opinion in terms of spirituality, on why animals have a desire to reproduce and eat?
im not judging you i am just interested and i would like to hear ur ideas

[Anonymous No.4781376]

>>4781370
You are wrong. What you are talking about is your brain trying to make a logical and coherent story for you that fits within your knowledge and experiences. It is very good at it.

[Anonymous No.4781379]

>>4781370
Because we try to maximize for happiness, which coincides with some aspects of evolution (reproduction, happy people live longer).

[Anonymous No.4781381]

>>4778961
Let ppl like what they like

[Anonymous No.4781383]

>>4781376
from what i feel, if i take your point of view and think like you do i am unable to find a meaning in anything. its all just evolution just chemicals guiding us for no apparent reason

[Anonymous No.4781387]

>>4781379
yeah but why do we maximize happiness, its just an emotion it doesn't provide us with anything
and why do we want to live happily together with a family dude
what is even the point of it all?
i dont know man this is destroying my brain

[Anonymous No.4781388]

>>4781373
But you see where I'm going with this, right? even a single sub-species isn't a stable identity, it's a spectrum of variations that's held together by its internal cohesion and driven away to becoming something other than what it is by its internal contradictions. "Success means staying the same for the longest period of time" is such an incredibly crude, misguided thing to take away from that. It seems to me that whatever the driving force of evolution is, that "horizon of thriving toward being something other than what you are while remaining a cohesive entity", is the same in bacteria as it is in birds and humans, and that, though it isn't a positive goal, it is a kind of telos.
>>4781374
I hope this answers your question to a certain extent as well. I think if you look at nature as a system, eating and reproducing isn't a matter of pure meaningless self-preservation but something that has an inherent transformative quality to it.

[Anonymous No.4781390]

>>4781379
>we try to maximize for happiness
"Man does not strive for happiness; only the Englishman does that."

[Anonymous No.4781392]

>>4781383
Technically yes. From this point of view there is no higher meaning prescribed by someone from above. It is no way invalidates anything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBnENlXt-H4

[Anonymous No.4781395]

>>4781392
i get what you mean now dude
i understand your whole argument thank you :)

[Anonymous No.4781398]

>>4781387
Because it makes us feel good. We don't need cosmological reasons. If you're religious, you might be fooled into thinking you need a reason, and I can understand how hard it is to get out of a nihilistic cycle, but if creating your own goals brings you happiness, then that's just as valid as anything that you might consider "grander" than you.
Happiness making us feel good is enough of a reason to keep fighting for what we're fighting. Not to mention other emotions that supplement our happiness.
>>4781390
wtf i love britbongs now

[Anonymous No.4781401]

>>4779328
>>4781238
All those walls of text just to say
>porn bad
>you are all addicted
>source my ass
>I am better than you just because
Get your smug ass outta here.

[Anonymous No.4781402]

>>4781398
i dont really sit well with your reasoning man but i understand it, thank you for your perspectives and ideas

[Anonymous No.4781403]

>>4781390
>>4781398

[Anonymous No.4781408]

>>4781398
we need a reason or else it wont make any sense it would be like me asking my math teacher why it is a certain way and he would just reply, we dont need a reason kek
im sorry bro i didnt get any sleep please ignore i understand your point of view

[Anonymous No.4781410]

>>4781370
medicine in its current form actually functions against evolution. it is a system that preserves defective genetics or organisms with destructive behavior that would normally never have a chance to propagate.

[Anonymous No.4781411]

>>4781410
i was just talking in general also nice webm

[Anonymous No.4781418]

>>4781408
>we need a reason or else it wont make any sense it would be like me asking my math teacher why it is a certain way and he would just reply, we dont need a reason kek
That's because on a very fundamental level everything is arbitrarily decided, at least that's our perception.
>Why didn't you kill your rapist?
>Because I didn't want to go to jail.
>Why didn't you want to go to jail?
>Because I don't want to be imprisoned.
>Why don't you want to be imprisoned?
>Because it makes me unhappy.
>Why do you not want to feel unhappy?
>... I just don't want to be unhappy.

Logical reasoning becomes circular if you dig deep enough, which is why humans struggle with finding meaning in their life.
If we have a person who has established a goal, "I want to become an artist", he doesn't draw for the purpose of drawing, even if subconsciously, he decided the moment he set that decision up that he wanted to become an artist because that's where he sees potential to maximize his own happiness.

[Anonymous No.4781424]

>>4781290
I don't get it, are you saying that any human being can make valid "life value" statement that isn't as arbitrary as genetic variability or deterministic as every single particle in the universe?

Anyone saying "porn should have less importance than it has now" is as retarded as a religious cunt that says "you shouldn't fuck till u marry someone of the opposite sex". Equally valid: nothing

[Anonymous No.4781425]

>>4781238
Yeah, but you're also arguing heavily with bias and you fail to see and think beyond the box.
You want to play in the big leagues and rake in the big numbers but you're completely unwilling to put aside your ego for that and basically sell out.
The mistake you're making is seeing others as just consumers that exist to solely help or finance you. You don't get that from the others and you're mad.
Want to do something good? Do it.
>inb4 b-b-but muh marketing
Nobody gives a shit. 90% of artists don't make it because they have this exact same shitty childish attitude.
Complaining will not help you make it.
>>4781401
imagine being this insecure

[Anonymous No.4781431]

>>4781425
>imagine being this insecure
You sure do love to project a lot. Are you thinking about opening a cinema?

[Anonymous No.4781436]

>>4781401
>>4781431

[Anonymous No.4781439]

>>4781431
>says the one who projected his insecurities on a completely normal post

[Anonymous No.4781448]

>>4781439
>>4781431
>>4781425
I don't get why you retards get so pumped up off a basic ad hominem. Admit you're both insecure lil bitches and continue the original dissertation instead of shitposting.

[Anonymous No.4781451]

>>4781439
But of course, buddy. Of course.

>>4781448
>I don't get why you retards get so pumped up
If you say so.

[Anonymous No.4781461]

>>4781448
You know what, you're right.
i'm just going to go draw.

[Anonymous No.4781533]

>>4781424
>are you saying that any human being can make valid "life value" statement
wew, you actually are making the argument for strong relativism, aren't you?
>people consume porn so something something natural fallacy just accept it and move on. if people thought it was okay to rape kids I'd go along with that, too. it's all arbitrary, really.

[Anonymous No.4781740]

>>4781425
>You want to play in the big leagues
Oh yeah I forgot how "minimum I need to live without drawing porn or shitting fanart 24/7" is Big Leagues now.
>The mistake you're making is seeing others as just consumers
Because that's literally what people are right now. They do not look for anything else. When I do find something that's made with some heart. as a work of art, that tries to have some meaning and passion behind it, it's always abandoned and I try to support the artist with money for what I can and I try to spread that thing around. It's all worthless, nobody cares. But they'll go out of their way to find a sauce for porn and shill it to hell and back and pay for it in every possible way no matter how convoluted as long as it's possible. Why even bother? This isn't even just hard, it's straight up impossible, you are trying to get in touch with human beings but there are no more human being left, just raw instincts and eyes geared to recognize products they already know. That's all people are now. It used to be different but after shitphones and social media it all went to shit, and people have become this weird insectoid species that I don't even recognize.
>Nobody gives a shit. 90% of artists don't make it because they have this exact same shitty childish attitude.
Yeah time to stop posting sweetie and go back to work, it ain't gonna suck itself you know

[Anonymous No.4781770]

>>4781740
>sweetie
A picture is forming of the type of person that we are being subjected to ITT.

[Anonymous No.4781772]

>>4781770
they are among us

[Anonymous No.4781787]

>>4781740
You're not allowed to complain until you pyw

[Anonymous No.4781795]

>>4781770
>getting triggered by individual words like you actually have autism
Tards like you are why tards like >>4781740 use the language that they do

[Anonymous No.4781800]

>>4781795
It's because when you have no arguments whatsoever you have to cling onto something petty to derail the conversation. This thread will be forgotten anyway and things will keep getting worse. I don't even care about having a conversation anymore, the pornfag's shitty non-answer just proves that there are no human beings left but only knee-jerk machines that react to being prodded with basic stimuli.
>>4781787
You don't even care.

[Anonymous No.4781802]

>>4781800
still not posting your work
this is a work posting board
post your work

[Anonymous No.4781807]

>>4781802
Seethe harder. I'm not posting my work on a porn site.

[Anonymous No.4781811]

>>4781795
Finding certain speech patterns and phrases obnoxious does not amount to being 'triggered'.
Kill yourself, faggot.

[Anonymous No.4781813]

>>4781807
then you admit that your work sucks and that it's your incompetence that's holding you back
delete thread or quit art, beglet