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4768131 No.4768131 [Reply] [Original]

Where can I get reference photos of models from the 19th century? My goal is to draw similar to the likes of Sargent and such (painting can come later, I REALLY like his sketches). I assume that's all the masters of then had to work with.

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4768151

>I assume that's all the masters of then had to work with.
they had live models. that painting was famously done with a live model. holy shit anon.

>> No.4768192

>>4768131
i think you are romanticizing the 19th century. just take your own photos or find artistic photos? Theres not really much difference from todays photos. If you really about that, u can just make it black n white or alternatively find black n white photos.

>> No.4768327

>>4768131
What the fuck is wrong with models of the 21st century?

>> No.4768329

>>4768327
BUT MUH SARGENT

>> No.4768339

Perhaps OP is referring to fashion of the time specifically

>> No.4768359

>>4768327
I can’t speak for OP but I know from my days when I was obsessed with turn of the century art as well as being still somewhat in a /beg/ phase you ho through this stage of hoping the magic is somehow to be found in the paper, the materials, the artifacts of the era, the styles worn by the models.
As for the era, I think it was the last time when our desired skillset was held in highest regard as an ideal in art. High art, not fan art, or comics, or entertainment design etc. perhaps we hope if we can get to that level the same regard will be bestowed on us.
There’s no talking people out of that, really, if they are stuck in it. I know I was.
It’s main value in retrospect was that it was a process of elimination. Trying all the materials and sources, gradually removing all hope that there were secrets and techniques and methods back then that can save us the drudgery of hard work and study and developing our skill using our boring, unaesthetic modern materials, courses and references.
If you make it through this phase and develop your own “voice” and ability, it can seem to have some kind of indirect positive effect on your work.

As for OP’s questions do a google image search using “ stieglitz photographs”

>> No.4768852

>>4768151
And it wasn’t just a model. It was a socialite who invited Sargent in her home and he painted her over the course of several months. Then she btfo him at the public unveiling because he drew her strap off her shoulder lmao.

>> No.4768853

>>4768852
And he got btfo so bad he left France and everyone called him a faggot (because he was)

>> No.4768873

>>4768853
>faggot
I believe the term used was “frenzied bugger“.
Still one of the greatest painters and draftsmen of all fucking time.

>> No.4768882

>>4768873
Also confirmed for being BLACKED

https://www.wbur.org/artery/2020/02/18/bostons-apollo-john-singer-sargents-black-model-thomas-mckeller