Manga Making General

[Anonymous No.4760396]

Previously known as JUMP Tezuka Manga Contest General. At the request of a previous poster, this thread series is being generalized for all manga-making discussion in general, albeit with a soft-focus on the contest regardless.

Post resources, questions, in-progress pages, breakdowns of other works, etc. If a work is not yours, credit the maker (unless it's fucking obvious like a full page of One Piece or something).

Previous thread: >>4734270

Link to the contest: https://medibang.com/contest/jumptezuka100th/entry?lang=en

Contest FAQ:

> isn't everyone gonna get BTFO by the JP entries?
No, separate prize pools

> but--
No, we've been over this several times. The requirements for both prizes are entirely different.

> do covers have to be black and white too?
Uncertain. Color them at your own risk.

> what's the page size?
Unspecified. It's recommended you work at at least 600 DPI regardless.

> do entries have to be shonen stories?
All genres are allowed, but keep in mind that this is still a Shonen Jump contest.

> western reading direction or JP reading direction?
JP.

> what does "no scenario, name" mean?
Scenario refers to a script, and Name is the Japanese term for a storyboard or rough page layout. So, in other words, no sketches and no scripts. Finished works only.

> what do they mean by "monochrome?"
All pages must be solely black and white. No colors, no middle-tones (such as shades of grey). Shades besides black and white should be achieved through things such as screentones and dot matrices.


Some resources.

Books:
"Understanding Comics", "Making Comics", "Manga in Theory and Practice: The Craft of Creating Manga", "Story: Substance, Structure, Style and the Principles of Screenwriting," 2000AD Script Book ( https://mega.nz/file/gtNQgY6L#p7vPA_fLOUwxINMBzAX62w_xx282FVQoMhUHDGtiCpE )

Youtube channels:
"Manga Senpai/Tokyo Name Tank", "SMAC! THE SILENT MANGA AUDITION COMMUNITY"

[Anonymous No.4760406]

>>4760396
I've been learning how to write stories for about 6 months now. I've wanted to quit so many times but I haven't given up yet. I've read 5 books on story writing and 3 on creating Manga. I need motivation bros.

[Anonymous No.4760422]

>>4760406
It gets easier if you have a story or type of story that you're passionate about in mind. What sorts of things have you wanted to work on so far anon?

[Anonymous No.4760468]

I want to watch Bakuman again.

[Anonymous No.4760646]

I spent two days after work doing nothing...
Well I read 250 manga chapters...
but shit I need to take this upcoming weekend seriously
almost done a main phase of my oneshot making process but the people helping me are somewhat stalled due to various reasons

[Anonymous No.4760740]

is it good writing when you bring a character back from the dead to fight the mc

[Anonymous No.4760770]

anyone have guides on SFX?
are you doing yours in english or japanese?

[Anonymous No.4760776]

Anyone else not actively seeking to participate in the contest, but still browses this thread for advice and info purposes?

[Anonymous No.4760811]

>>4760770
http://thejadednetwork.com/
Not a guide, more of a repository, but incredibly useful nonetheless.
I'm using JP SFX with english equivalents beside it (and on a separate layer so I can easily get rid of 'em) because I doubt the translators are going to redraw SFX for the comp.

[Anonymous No.4761120]

>>4760740
Context, anon.

[Anonymous No.4761167]

>>4760646
so you read 25 volumes in two days? not bad

[Anonymous No.4761388]

>>4760770
im doing both, depending on the sfx
some look better in english and others look better in japanese imo

[Anonymous No.4761389]

>>4760396
Thanks generous anon... but what do you gain from helping the unwashed anons of 4chan?

[Anonymous No.4761509]

By the way, I found this on MediBang's Twitter thread.
Seems like covers should be in black and white.
https://twitter.com/qutaiba4z/status/1260361587971538944

[Anonymous No.4761934]

>>4760396
i was always wondering what was the industry standard canvas size for digitaly drawn manga pages before they are resized for printing, even tho its probably not that important i would still like to know

[Anonymous No.4761959]

>>4761934
600 DPI, mentioned in the rules. I imagine higher DPI can't hurt.

[Anonymous No.4761991]

>>4761959

DPI is just a printer setting though, he asked for canvas size.

[Anonymous No.4762091]

>>4761991
clip studio has a b4 600dpi preset that i think is the standard

[Anonymous No.4762883]

>>4760406
Have you written any stories in that time?

[Anonymous No.4763105]

>>4761509
I wonder what the percentage of disqualified work will be at the end of the competition.

[Anonymous No.4763137]

Anyone here who does Doujins? Im a coomer sorry. Im hoping to get into it traditionally as a side thing, getting away from digital.

[Anonymous No.4763174]

>>4763137
Well not all Dojinshi are coomer art. But the vast majority probably is. Are you planing on doing original characters and stories or fanart?

And out of curiosity. Why the swap to traditional?

[Anonymous No.4763971]

Some more excerpts.
Keep it up anons! Only a month left! (internal screaming)

[Anonymous No.4763979]

[Anonymous No.4763982]

[Anonymous No.4764030]

>>4763174
Id probably try my hand at my own characters, but some fanart would also be fun if i get the grasp of it.
As for why trad, im simply tired of staring into my screentablet all day everyday, and ive always liked inking as a resting activity. Feels good to do stuff you can feel in your hands

[Anonymous No.4764730]

>>4764030
>tired of staring into my screentablet all day everyday
Ah, I see. Always interesting to hear why people prefer one over the other. Do you plan on selling your work?

>>4763971
>Only a month left! (internal screaming)
>mfw I’m still drafting

[Anonymous No.4766019]

>>4764730
I hadnt thought so much about monetization. Are there lucrative opportunities for Doujins?

[Anonymous No.4766187]

>>4760406
3 books on manga? I've read Araki's, what are the other books you've read?

[Anonymous No.4766194]

>>4764730
>still drafting
Makes 2 of us, buddy. It's gonna be a test of wills to make something in the remaining month, a fool's errand!

Also do you guys know if the story we submit has to be necessarily a one-shot or something with an open ending (like a pilot chapter? Have been enjoying the setting and falling in love more and more with each new addition I make)
Full force, everyone!

[Anonymous No.4766247]

>>4764730
>>4766194
>still drafting
Jesus christ bros, that's grim. You'll need to ink ~2-3 pages a day in order to make it. If you haven't already finished at least your name by THIS point then there's basically 0 chance you have the work ethic for that.
Not telling you to give up, but damn, shape up!

>Also do you guys know if the story we submit has to be necessarily a one-shot or something with an open ending (like a pilot chapter? Have been enjoying the setting and falling in love more and more with each new addition I make)
One-shots merely need to be self-contained. They don't give a shit if you then make a serial out of it, or even if the one-shot is literally chapter 1, so long as it's self-contained and doesn't literally end with "to be continued!" or whatever.

[Anonymous No.4766255]

okay bros can you just like give me story ideas you don't want any more?I have oc's but no story

[Anonymous No.4766265]

>>4766255
Story... ideas? What are you hoping to get, exactly? Your characters should fit your setting which should serve the story you're telling (story-driven writing). Or, your story should fit your setting which should fit your characters (character-driven writing). Or your characters should fit your story which fits your setting (world-driven writing)... It's malleable. Just random ideas being thrown out are not going to help you if you can't even think of anything yourself. Writing is probably 80% execution 20% ideas.

[Anonymous No.4766284]

>>4766255
I'm not gonna give you my million dollar ideas, you fool.

[Anonymous No.4766300]

>>4766255
Post your OC.

[Anonymous No.4766329]

>>4766300

[Anonymous No.4766340]

>>4766329
SOUL

[Anonymous No.4766937]

I started way too late and basically have zero chance of entering the contest at this point, but let it be known that I'm at least starting work on something tangible. I've got the rough outline for the name, not entirely sure whether I need to write out a whole script or just go with some cliff notes and wing the rest of the name. Kind of leaning towards the latter because writing it out fully, then doing the storyboards sounds really tedious.
Just some background so you aren't completely lost: the WYRD is a plane of existence outside our reality inhabited by the WYRDR, which are the numerous species of beasts inhabiting it. WYRDR slip through into our reality, and those bitten by WYRDR or consume their flesh or blood become WEYR-WYRDR, or just WEYR for short, that can transform into an anthropomorphized hybrid of that wyrdr.
Weyr are not necessarily monsters, while they are influenced by the beast, they retain their human intelligence. The most numerous and well known of WEYR-WYRDR are WEYR-VAMPYR and WEYR-VYLF. Just take a wild guess as to what those are.
Crow is a weyr-yrobyros, (a.k.a Uroboros but with the wyrd naming convention of replacing vowels with Y and making the name of each species an invariable noun, like "sheep" or "fish") and a Wyrd-Hunter. Her favored killing instrument is the Gyant's Razor, which is literally just a Gyant's straight razor that her mentor received as a gift in a friendly diplomatic visit with a Gyant stranded on Earth, and subsequently gifted to her as use for a weapon since it matched her immense strength.
Jahnni is her young, fussy assistant and companion who mostly handles busywork and generally helps out where he can.
The antagonist of the one-shot is a weyr-vampyr, essentially a vampire with my own spin on the concept, who has a small group of UNDEAD WEYR under his control. UNDEAD WEYR are what happens when freshly dead or braindead humans are turned into weyr, brainless beasts with no human soul.
Sorry 4 bad handwriting, btw.

[Anonymous No.4766967]

>>4766937
Further background, Crow wears restraining manacles and a collar made of gold that prevents the influence of the beast and keeps her from transforming. She can transform by removing them.
Last of all is a golden restraining nail embedded in the right side of her forehead, which prevents her from being fully overtaken by the beast and transforming all the way. If the situation ever warrants needing to remove it, she must afterwards impale herself with a golden knife (when she was alone) or, since Jahnni is with her now, he bears the responsibility of shooting her with a golden crossbow bolt to weaken and restrain her until the nail can be reinstalled.
As of now the idea is that gold and silver act as "dimensional anchors" that prevent the otherwordly influence of the wyrdr, meaning it can be used to weaken and/or restrain weyr.
Weyr all have very fast healing and, as they are dual-souled and alive on two separate planes of reality, their bodies have to be thoroughly destroyed to kill them completely. They can lie in a dormant state of undeath if their heart is destroyed, potentially able to be revived again otherwise.
Crow can completely kill a weyr by consuming the heart, and thus the essence of the weyr's wyrdr soul. This is an ability she has as the weyr-yrobyros, as the Yrobyros is a superpredator of the wyrdr and functions as a regulator for the Wyrd's ecosystem.

Wyrdr that have encroached on our reality aren't quite so durable and can be killed much like any other animal, although they are still very dangerous.

[Anonymous No.4767070]

>>4766247
>Jesus christ bros, that's grim. You'll need to ink ~2-3 pages a day in order to make it. If you haven't already finished at least your name by THIS point then there's basically 0 chance you have the work ethic for that.
>Not telling you to give up, but damn, shape up!
It's okay senpai. I think I can make it. Got beginning, middle and end figured out. Just want the flow to be better. I have the entire month to grind, no other commitments really.

>>4766937
>I've got the rough outline for the name, not entirely sure whether I need to write out a whole script or just go with some cliff notes and wing the rest of the name.
I think it ends up being a matter of preference at the end. I like having a script (dialogue only) for anything that's dialogue heavy. But, I don't think I'd need it for action scenes, just go straight into the name.
If you already have a clear idea where to go with a chapter, just do a name real quick and tweak from there. Having cliff notes is great if you're working on multiple chapters as well. The rest, is execution.

[Anonymous No.4767168]

>>4760406
share the story writing ones please.

[Anonymous No.4767213]

>>4766937
>Kind of leaning towards the latter because writing it out fully, then doing the storyboards sounds really tedious.
do not do this. you have no idea how tedious realising halfway through drawing that your story is nonsens. trust me
you've written huge amounts of stuff about worldbuilding mechanics and almost none about the actual characters personality. thats kind of telling. i don't know how i'm supposed to feel reading this character throw away her humanity and go on a rampage, it just kind of reads like 'badass' torture porn

>>4767168
theres literally a bunch in the OP, start with those

[Anonymous No.4767237]

>>4767213
The name is basically the first draft. You don’t have to commit to it. So it’s valid to start with that and not write things down in text only. The drawings don’t even have to be any good for the drafting phase.

Not that anon, but I agree about the characters bit. There’s a lot of background information about his work, but no one will care unless the characters are worth following along with.

[Anonymous No.4767378]

I'm totally lost, every time that I start to write out an one shot I can't get anywhere. Even after starting to draw one page, I end up realizing that it's kinda lame or disconnected, it's like I have several scenes thought out but I can't chain them in a meaningful way. How do you even start writing a manga? I don't have any chance to finish at this point anyway but it's pretty frustrating

[Anonymous No.4767388]

>>4767378
What makes it disconnected? What makes it lame?

Are the scenes you want to include fun/interesting or are they redundant?

[Anonymous No.4767393]

>>4760396
how can i draw like yusuke murata?

[Anonymous No.4767434]

>>4767393
The question that burns within us all, anon.

[Anonymous No.4767441]

>>4767378
>How do you even start writing a manga? I don't have any chance to finish at this point anyway but it's pretty frustrating
Reading a bunch of manga and making lots yourself. It's like anything else: you need to practice to improve.

>>4767393
Have a keen understanding of perspective, have a keen understanding of anatomy, then just go nuts with it. Also draw a lot. A looot. Like, you-should-be-drawing-instead-of-asking-this-question-or-reading-this-response a lot.

[ta-kun No.4767445]

>>4760396
I'm very glad to see some /ic/ friends choosing to pursue the tezuka competition too. I wish you all my competitors good luck.
>monochrome means no gray tones
That's a shame, At least better to know now than to disqualify. I was gonna use a wash to shade. I might be able to get around that though a filter.
The photoshop one isn't very good, if anybody has a better one I'd be grateful.
although, its strange that it would say that, since there will always be some gray since there is aliasing. I'll have to read more into it.

>shonen series
The boundaries of shonen have been broken so many times that its mostly a formality. Most things will fly, but you can always check out viz's website, or manga plus, to view what is currently on jump. (most jump works aren't Toriyama style shonen at all).

I'd like to tip you on a few more things.
1) Jump does not only fully endorse medibang as a manga software, their own software, jump paint, runs on medibang. You don't need clip, or photoshop, you can use a free software.
2) Jump paint gives you competition canvas resolutions for anyone interested
3) Here is a detailed description of how to use a manuscript paper, in case you choose to use the real thing, or want to work in a software with hose guidelines.

I'm assuming that you will have to cut it out and present it as if its scanned manga at the end. I don't think they would be very happy to see any less.

4) Take time to read the things all the judges say. They talk a lot about how they rather see something true than another boring piece of work, instead of trying to fit jump, make something you really love.

[Anonymous No.4767456]

>>4767445
>I'm very glad to see some /ic/ friends choosing to pursue the tezuka competition too.
P-post your work...

> The boundaries of shonen have been broken so many times that its mostly a formality.
Shonen is a demographic. Any genre is allowed in the competition.

[ta-kun No.4767459]

>>4767393
Luckily for you, you have hours of footage to look into. https://www.youtube.com/user/Relampaghost
Note one thing. Murata uses his eraser a lot. When he doesn't like something, he fixes it and tries again. I firmly believe that makes the difference between a good artist and a great artist.

[Anonymous No.4767495]

>>4767213
The worldbuilding mechanics are just so you guys know what the named things in the outline are and to provide context. I already have the characters' personalities and how they play off each other pretty well worked out, and have a rough background for each to help establish their motivations and personality, although they won't be explicitly told in the one-shot. Keep in mind that this is an extremely barebones outline that's only touching on the major story points.
For the sake of clarification, Crow just really hates Weyr who prey upon innocent people, especially weyr-vampyr who are notorious parasites that steal people in the night, and whose feeding habits lend to the creation of Undead, soulless weyr, that they habitually create and use as thralls. She's particularly piqued at this one because he left a child orphaned and traumatized, which sets off a nerve, and also is very brazenly stupid and arrogant on top of that. This weyr acts like he's Dracula, while in reality he's just a petty, bestial thug. Crow has a cruel streak a mile wide when it comes to evil weyr, partly fueled by the predatory instincts of her wyrdr half, partly by a deep seated self loathing and fear of said wyrdr half, but mostly she just really hates them.
Crow "Wyrding out" isn't throwing away her humanity at all, because the Yrobyros soul is always there and is a part of her. The rage is 100% hers. No weyr loses their humanity except by being monstrous assholes on a power trip, not really any different from a human monster, except it's just a little more literal in their case.
As a contrast to her behavior with weyr, Crow often goes out hunting for food for herself and Jahnni in her weyr-form. If she is fighting a simple wyrdr beast, there is no undue cruelty or malice as she is simply exterminating a dangerous animal. While the beast is fierce, she isn't losing control of herself in any sense other than letting her very human hatred and anger get the better of her.

[Anonymous No.4767512]

posting 3 pages of my new manga because I was pruned on /a/ lol

[Anonymous No.4767514]

[Anonymous No.4767516]

thats all for now.

[Anonymous No.4767519]

>>4767512
>>4767514
>>4767516
Wtf? Mods deleted a Shin Genki thread? Bastards!!

[Anonymous No.4767520]

>>4767519
usually my ms paint manga threads survive but this time I was defeated by the long dick of the janny

[ta-kun No.4767545]

>>4767456
I really wanted to post a gag manga I made yesterday. Can't find it for the life of me. https://twitter.com/x0xGABRIELx0x
>shonen is a demographic.
That was what I was referring to in my original post. It has long since broken from the boundaries of a single demographic.
Daily life in 8 pages and himouto Umaru-chan are both seinen, while claymore is shonen.
I think it's just about which magazine wants you on. I think maybe you are allowed to show actual sex on seinen, I'm not certain, and technically you can show some on shonen too.

[Anonymous No.4767559]

Can anyone help me understand how tones/screentones are used in manga? At first, I thought it was pretty clear-- to indicate shadow/value, but somehow, the more I see manga, the more it seems like it's a bit more than that? Like how characters entire clothes, hair are sometimes fully filled in tone. That doesn't really seem like it's a matter of indicating shadow/value anymore.

If anyone has some good resources that go into depth on it, that would be great as well. English or Japanese is fine.

[Anonymous No.4767568]

>>4767559
>greyscale > cel shade > bitmap/halftone filter > done

[Anonymous No.4767572]

>>4767559
It's literally just value. Sometimes it's texture. That's it. There's nothing really to it. All those examples you listed are value or texture.

[Anonymous No.4769018]

>>4767388
Sorry, I thought that no one would reply anyway. I have a bunch of characters, where they start and where they end but I can't fill the middle. In order to do something, I started to draw some of the scenes that I want to include since I figured that I could cut them to fit them in panels anyway, but only because I can't finish properly writing it.

[Anonymous No.4769030]

>>4769018
>I have a bunch of characters, where they start and where they end
That’s a bit vague. Can you give a short example?

[Anonymous No.4769041]

>>4760396
why do people add so much detail into eyes and hair and left the rest of the page flat.

I know less is more but this just bothers me.

[ta-kun No.4769062]

>>4769041
There are two different answers to this, it can be either, it's often a combination of both.
1) skin details are often extremely subtle, while hair is heavy with significant details, and eyes are both detailed and catch a lot of light
2)you can choose to give a target more details to emphasize it. The opposite applies as well.

[Anonymous No.4769066]

>>4769041
stylistic choice
printing limits
contrast/emphasis

[Anonymous No.4769089]

>>4769041
Style choice. I simplify things because I don’t wanna spend 30 minutes inking eyes and hair.

[Anonymous No.4769093]

>>4769041
Have to wring out as much personality as you can from the hair and eyes if you're gonna subtract lips, noses, and unique head shapes

[Anonymous No.4769101]

>>4769041
1. Hair and eyes are easy to stylize without looking weird, whereas face detail is comparatively easy to screw up
2. People want to see beauty, and smooth unblemished skin, big eyes, small nose etc are considered to be beautiful in asia (and most of the world)
3. They're not leaving the page flat. Generally, outside of SD drawings (super deformed - the chibi versions of characters you see all over) an attempt is typically made to convey 3d space. Just because the drawing isn't is minimally shaded or has no contour lines doesn't mean the image is flat. In the example you posted the jaw, the ears, the eyes, the mouth, the nose... they're simplified and stylized yes, but they're not "flat". There's very clearly an understanding of placing the features to respect 3d space. I don't think that example pulls it off very well, but the point stands.
4. Masking. Simple characters contrasted against comparatively realistic characters/backgrounds = viewer sympathy. Dunno why, but it's a simple trick that's been utilized for as long as cartooning has been around: people identify with the simpler design.

All of these points apply to all cartooning, by the way, not just anime or manga. People just notice them more in "anime style" because it's not familiar to them the way western cartooning is.
There may also be and element that the artist is just copying the people they idolize without comprehending why they do what they do, but these points hold regardless of intent of the artist.

[Anonymous No.4769104]

>>4769093
>Have to
Why?

[Anonymous No.4769331]

Does it matter if my art is shit to draw a manga??
I don't plan to participate in Tezuka I just want to create stuff.
I've been working on this one project for years now and I have finally settled on illustrating a manga for it instead of something else since I can't see my work being properly portrayed in let's says a game or a normal novel.
But if I do ever want to go through with this and publish it to my website or something does it really matter if my art is shit or not??
Can people still like it?

I'm going to school for 6 years so I have no time right now but by then my art will be a lot better
So by that time my art will be a lot better but do people really care if your art is ugly???

Dumb question I apologize but idk I am just worried that once I do start working on putting my stuff down on paper and my art is bad that people will shy away because of that.

[Anonymous No.4769374]

>>4769331
This is probably an overused example, but look at ONE. His art is pretty bad, but he’s got decent paneling and at the very least good composition. If you can learn to tell a compelling story the art won’t be too much of a hindrance.
I’d rather read a clumsily drawn manga with good story and composition. Than a perfectly drawn manga with a nonsense story.

[Anonymous No.4769571]

>>4734358
>Feel free anon, I don't really mind. It might take me a little while to get back to you, but I like helping. Thanks for the well-wishes too!

Hey anon. I know this is kinda late, but do you have any info about creator rights? It's probably a contract by contract basis, I get that. But, I'm kinda wondering if you have any idea of industry standards or some such concerning intellectual property and publishing?

I recently remembered the Tokyopop fiasco a few years back. And it got me wondering.

As a side note. I somehow stumbled across your twitter and wasn't sure if I should engage in convo there or just let you be.

[Anonymous No.4769710]

I remember that in one of the previous threads someone gave good recommendations about character design, but the thread has been lost and I lost the links too because I'm an idiot. Can someone give some good advice as to what makes good character design?

[Anonymous No.4770182]

I just found out that Fujimoto made fire punch when he was 23 and now I want to shoot myself. Drawing was never a concern but I cant write characters without cringing into oblivion, do you just learn this shit by analysing dialogue you like? Can an autist actually learn to write believable, interesting characters?

[Anonymous No.4770206]

>>4770182
Anon. You learn this ability by OBSERVATION, ANALYSIS and PRACTICE.
Read, learn, apply. And apply again. And again. And again. There is no end to practice.
Fujimoto published multiple one-shots before FP, and almost certainly made much more than just what's been published. You shouldn't compare yourself to other artists, especially not published artists, because you're only going to be comparing yourself to the best of their work and work that they had help with. It's not fair to compare yourself to the "best of" any particular person, especially not someone who is simply (probably) much more experienced than you in the field, even if they're younger than you.
>Can an autist actually learn to write believable, interesting characters?
Almost certainly not. Don't try to. Instead play to your strengths.

[Anonymous No.4770254]

>>4770206
>Almost certainly not. Don't try to. Instead play to your strengths.
But if you can't write interesting characters then what is even the point, it's by far the most important factor in any story and drives every significant plot point. My uncertainty over whether this is a personality driven act or a learnt skill puts me off seriously trying.

[Anonymous No.4770257]

>>4770182
Araki's charactrrs are almost childishly simple sometimes, especially when he started off, what made them and his work special was that he just made things he thought are cool and wanted to read

[Anonymous No.4770350]

>>4770182
Fire Punch characters are interesting, but not necessarily believable. Like this anon >>4770257 said, Araki's characters are very popular and they all act like wrestlers. Sometimes, the most autistic characters are the most charming.

[Anonymous No.4771156]

>>4770254
Lord of the Rings doesn't have interesting characters. At least, not compared almost anything.

[Anonymous No.4771210]

all my pages up to this point

[Anonymous No.4771222]

>>4771210
based as fuck
keep it up anon

[Anonymous No.4771318]

>>4771222

thanks anon heres my story thus far

>girl crash lands
>makes coffee using the last remaining heat from her engine
>sees the sun is going down
>decides to spend the night in the ship
>gazes up at the stars as she passes out
>wakes up
>notices a snowbunny sniffing around her ship
>heheh food!
>jumps at it and grabs it
>noooo dont eat me!
>wait you can talk?!
>yes i am a snoflorian we are a migratory species who have escaped to this planet
>what do you mean escaped
>you dont know miss? you are in terrible danger if you remain on this planet!
>what do you mean. jpg
>let me take you to my elder
>takes girl to elder snowbunny
>miss this planet is a strange one, one night on this planet equals 100 years of your time!
>WHAT
>yes but it gets worse, im afraid your home planet has already been consumed by Alzanaan, the space turtle and eater of worlds
> WWHHHAAT
>we snowflorians have fled our home world and we too have crash landed on this planet. we have been stranded as well and though we have survived, our telescopes have surveyed that alzanaan will come to this planet to eat in three days time!
>We have to escape!

then using the combined knowledge and skills and friendships the snowflorians and susanna escape the snow planet just as alzanaan approaches on the horizon

[Anonymous No.4771446]

>>4771156
Gollum?
Frodo?
Boromir?

[Anonymous No.4771537]

more excerpts!

[Anonymous No.4771549]

>>4767516
Cool ghost trees

[Anonymous No.4771562]

[Anonymous No.4771573]

>>4771562
>40
Almost there bro. You're gonna make it.
Meanwhile I'm only on page 25, feeling like I bit off much more than I could chew with these BGs.

[Anonymous No.4771576]

>>4771537
Looking great.

[Anonymous No.4771596]

How do you actually storyboar? I am getting stuck on how I want panels and their composition to look.

[Anonymous No.4771734]

>>4771596
This is how I thumbnailed mine.
Just want to let it be known that this was a special rush-job approach, where I rapidly made super rough thumbnails and went straight into clean up after playing the general dialogue and direction in my head as I follow through the images.

Sure enough, I ran into some consistency issues, and had to fix on the spot... But I think it worked out relatively well, all things considering. (so far..)

I probably should've had at least 2,3 more steps inbetween, but I knew I had to get right into drawing, because I started a month late since the announcement.

Everyone's approach is different, obviously... But hopefully seeing my hack job can encourage you to just start and let that be your launch pad.
My personal struggle is that I tend to freeze before I kick into high-gear... So in my case, I try to force myself to get started first and foremost.

[Anonymous No.4771737]

You can probably see where the excerpts aligns with the thumbnails. :P

[Anonymous No.4771740]

[Anonymous No.4771761]

>>4771596
im very inexperienced and have only been doing this since the end of june, so take this with a grain of salt but the only way to learn how to do it is to just keep doing it. Itll feel like pulling teeth at first, but that's the only way. How to books+reading and studying manga will help a lot but you just gotta keep failing your own attempts until it clicks a little bit.
The main thing when you're storyboarding is to think about what you're trying to portray to the reader. At a super basic level, a panel is just conveying information. you want to convey it in the most understandable way. That's the main thing. Style, composition, detail and all that are secondary to getting your point across. Worry about those things once you're confident in your ability to convey information simply.
In a similar vein, think of which actions are necessary to show and which are not. If you wanna inform the reader that a character eats something, how many panels are necessary? You could show them step by step as they make the food, eating it, etc. Or you could just have a throwaway panel with a dirty dish and a dialogue bubble saying "man I'm stuffed". If your comic is about food, then obviously youll want to highlight those small steps. If you just wanna use the act of eating as a way of transitioning from one scene to the next, then the simplified 2nd version prolly works fine.

The other big thing ive noticed is a storyboard is a constant work in progress. You'll draw it out and end up changing a million things as you refine your drawings. So dont hesitate to do that. Just treat it like a sketch for the whole chapter. Lay it out there quickly, but with intent. Again, think about what exactly you're delivering to the reader with each panel. If there's nothing substantial there then you don't need it. And then just move things and tweak things as you go
Again idk what the hell I'm talking about but good luck to you my man

[Anonymous No.4771783]

>>4771761
>until it clicks a little bit.
That’s the best way I can describe it too. It’s a shame there’s no easier way to explain it.

[Anonymous No.4771965]

>>4771576
Thank you! ^_^

[Anonymous No.4772066]

by far my silliest page yet

[Anonymous No.4772220]

>>4771318
That's creative. I like this one! Art's cute too

[Anonymous No.4772237]

星間プローブ:11 !!
Seikan purōbu: 11 !!
Interstellar probe :11 !!

the original probe 11 comic was a rip off of the saiyan capsules from dbz but with a machine gun.
i wrote it in middle school (im 28 now).

here's an unused (very adult) shot of susanna opening the the food box

shame i can't let just let this degrade into a doujin...

[Anonymous No.4772423]

This might seem like a dumb question, but what are these gray tones used in this page of Onepunch man? I don't think they're screentones since they don't have the dot texture. I've seen similar gray tones in Prison School. Are they added digitally or what? And how would I add them?

[Anonymous No.4772458]

>>4772423
Pretty sure that those are just regular digital grays, yeah. Pretty sure OPM gets away with it by being a digital release, not a magazine release (and the volumes don't need to operate by magazine rules).
Manga magazines only require monochrome to print it cheaper. If you're not submitting to a magazine (or this contest) then no you don't need to.

Pretty sure Prison School uses normal screentones though. Keep in mind scan quality may be a factor in what you're seeing, as often image quality or any filters applied may mess with the dot pattern and make it more difficult to discern from just a flat gray.

Anyway they're added the same way you would add any line, just with gray instead of black. Airbrush, lasso tool, etc. It's just painting in grays. In fact if you want you can do this and still use screentones if you do it in a program that can convert layer data into tones such as CSP or MediBang.

[Anonymous No.4774022]

バムプ!

[Anonymous No.4774133]

>>4771573
keep it up bro it looks fucking awesome so far

every time i think i'm too tired to draw i open this thread and get fired up again

[Anonymous No.4774149]

>>4771573
Those BGs are way more higher quality than what I've been attempting, anon.
Keep up the good work! ^_^

[Anonymous No.4774205]

>>4774133
>>4774149
Cheers mates. I think what I'm gonna do is just draw characters and leave the polish/backgrounds/effects for last.

[Anonymous No.4774266]

>yes i have been listening to the same song on repeat for the last 3 months in an effort to maintain a consistent mood throughout the story

[Anonymous No.4774499]

>>4774266
I do this too actually.

[Anonymous No.4775193]

>>4769041
to each their own, it fuckin bothers me when western artiist or non nip trying to do 'anime' style and put so much emphasize on the nose.

[Anonymous No.4775226]

>>4775193
uncultured

[Anonymous No.4775236]

>>4775226
Love Urasawa’s faces.

[Anonymous No.4775517]

part of the setting for mine takes place in a chat room/on the internet so its littered with stupid little memes

[Anonymous No.4775560]

>>4775517
ngmi

[Anonymous No.4776061]

Pack it up boiz. Might as well stop drawing.
>you will never be original
>you will never be meta
>you will NGMI
https://medibang.com/book/6o2008070857359010015738575/view/

[Anonymous No.4776065]

>>4776061

[Anonymous No.4776066]

>>4776061
>all those giant panels
>one page is almost completely blank and the other is just a headshot
I'm ok

[Anonymous No.4776349]

>>4776061
>>4776065

[Anonymous No.4776359]

>>4776061
Self inserted & cringepilled

[Anonymous No.4776367]

>>4776359
Right? This reeks of unironic cringe.

[Anonymous No.4776371]

>>4769104
Because otherwise you're left with "Generic Anime Face #1058895". This isn't a diss but we gotta be honest with ourselves: unless you're going crazy, most of anime's character design differences come from hair and eye stylistic choices, some subtle face shapes and clothing. If you're not showing clothing all you're left with are eyes and hair.

[Anonymous No.4776401]

>>4776061
I kinda liked it, honestly I hated how preachy it got after the first pages, but at least he seemed to realize that he's preachy. What I really hate is that he basically admitted that he doesn't expect to win and started to make excuses.

[Anonymous No.4776437]

>>4776371
Ah, okay. I misunderstood what you wanted to say. I thought you meant that you have to draw them detailed. But they can be simple as long as they’re varied enough.
>>4776401
But- but-but... he’s original! His fictional editors said so.

[Anonymous No.4777236]

When I'm writing a script, I'm having trouble visualizing the layout of the page. When you're writing a script, how much of the visuals are already established for you? (page layouts, compositions, expressions, poses, etc?)

[Anonymous No.4777242]

>>4767393
Draw for 40 years

[Anonymous No.4777247]

>>4777236
Study manga from the eighties like Urusei Yatsura... it's easy to see how he's dividing his panels on B4 paper, and gradually you'll develop a sense for that yourself.

I wish I had a Maison Ikkoku MEGA file with .cbz files....

[Anonymous No.4777252]

>>4777247
more like lummish, but anything in that pre-Toriyama style is very rigorous about paneling while still having a loose drawing

[Anonymous No.4777280]

>>4777236
do you even have a script in the first place?

[Anonymous No.4777422]

>>4777280
im not even prepping for the contest, i just make manga for fun. Scripting is a stage I'm struggling with, the stage after developing characters and outlining each scene.

[Anonymous No.4777732]

>>4777236
>I'm having trouble visualizing the layout of the page.
I don’t visualize the layout either. That I do separately once I have a script. Than within the script I pick what I want on each page. It’s easier that way for me.

[Anonymous No.4777760]

>>4760396
Is there a book/video on how to do manga effects in Clip Studio Paint?
Things like speed/focus lines, borders, etc.

[Anonymous No.4777768]

>>4777760
Check out CSP's official YT page.
That's where I picked up the basics.

https://www.youtube.com/c/CLIPSTUDIOchannel/playlists

[Anonymous No.4777774]

>>4777768
Thanks.

[Anonymous No.4777777]

>>4777760
>>4777768
also looking for CSP techniques, but advanced ones like textures.

[Anonymous No.4777780]

>>4777777
holy moly those digits O___O

[Anonymous No.4777853]

>>4769571
Hey anon, sorry for taking a while to get back to you. Don't worry about it being kinda late, I do my best to read through the thread when I can.

>do you have any info about creator rights? It's probably a contract by contract basis, I get that. But, I'm kinda wondering if you have any idea of industry standards or some such concerning intellectual property and publishing?
It's very much a case-by-case basis, not only in regards to the publisher, but also in regards to you, the creator. Generally, the bigger either the publisher or the creator is, the more leverage they have and will use. Smaller or independent publishers often allow you to keep the rights to your work since that's more attractive to artists first starting out and encourages talent to come to smaller publishers that might not otherwise attract a whole lot of readers. Larger publishers with lots of reach will want to keep the IP for themselves, as they generally have enough sway over the market to pull in readers (and thus talent) through name alone, and will want to profit as much as possible off of a successful work (and the branding that comes with it) as possible. Likewise, larger or more famous creators might be able to force IP concessions where they might not normally occur (i.e., if you have enough sway, you might be able to keep your IP and instead hand over the *publishing rights* to a publisher, ensuring that they are the only ones that can print a work in a specific format--digitally or physically, for example--even though you still hold the IP). Really, what you're going to want to do is read the fine print for your offers or submission opportunities over and compare them, if you get multiple.

>As a side note. I somehow stumbled across your twitter and wasn't sure if I should engage in convo there or just let you be.
You can if you want anon, I don't mind. My online presence is very small as you likely saw, so it's not like I have a full inbox or anything.

[Anonymous No.4777954]

>>4777777
extremely powerful post number

[Anonymous No.4778217]

>>4777853
Thanks for reaching back to me.
Definitely something to mull over. Guess I will have to make sure my pitch is strong when I do try for it and go from there. I'm really attached to my main series and miss working on it. Atm I'm grinding out the Tezuka and hoping I'll be done in time.
Once September hits, I'll rethink pitching to Viz. I assume the more content you have the better?

>You can if you want anon, I don't mind. My online presence is very small as you likely saw, so it's not like I have a full inbox or anything.
Really annoyed. Seems that my acc got suspended despite me never posting anything and it won't let me DM you. I assume you only have that acc I can reach to you through?

[Anonymous No.4778261]

https://medibang.com/book/o12008071020376960004325982/view/

man this one looks really fucking good visually but i can't say i'm a big fan of the super meta storyline
it was still a fun read though

[Anonymous No.4778266]

>>4777777
Heavenly blessed technique request

[Anonymous No.4778295]

>>4778261
Why, just why? Why waste the decent art on this? The sense of dread when they were taking about making it 55 pages... Kill me now.

Especially as a team of two... Why couldn't the writer actually write a story? Do they think Jump would want this oneshot in the magazine? For the Japanese to read? Do they think they're funny? Entertaining? Have a shot?
Is this some sort of infantile obsession with Bakuman? Or ego? Why is this the second "meta" story submitted?

>hi judgmes, I luv u
>u inspr me
>teehee
>pls let me win

Wasted potential makes me seethe in rage man...

[Anonymous No.4778314]

>>4778295
I know, right? If they just dropped the retarded "it's a one-shot about making a one-shot!" premise and instead actually tried to present to us characters that aren't literally just the author's insert + some monsters then they could probably make a pretty good entry. As it is any inadequacy I feel about my own artwork/writing just washes away when I see all these entries that are nicely drawn but have nothing memorable about their characters or designs or environments.

It's like the authors can't quite bring themselves to make something sincere, so they hide behind the "lol I'm drawing a MANGA!! :)" screen.

[Anonymous No.4778375]

>>4778314
>"lol I'm drawing a MANGA!! :)"
Yes! 55 pages wasted on "felt cute, might delete later" cringe.

>As it is any inadequacy I feel about my own artwork/writing just washes away when I see all these entries that are nicely drawn but have nothing memorable about their characters or designs or environments.
Same. Every step of the way I question my choices, trying to form an actual piece of entertainment. Ever read a submission and noted at what page you got bored? Man I dread being boring...
These two go out of their way to pretend they're funny. It's like an inside joke no one else gets.


Meh... Going back to work. Good luck with your grind man.

[Anonymous No.4778392]

>>4778375
>Meh... Going back to work. Good luck with your grind man.

[Anonymous No.4778492]

>>4778261
I stopped reading and skimmed it after about 10 pages or so.

[ta-kun No.4778804]

A tip from a friend
Do not do meta.
This is an original manga contest, its award is being published on shonen jump.
I understand, this may be your one and only chance to send a love letter to the judges, but you should understand that meta dooms your work to virtual disqualification.
Everybody wants to tell jump legends how much their work influenced their lives.
Everybody thinks their story is the most meaningful, because its meaningful to them.
The judges would likely appreciate your sentiment.
However, your biography does not showcase your ability as a creative writer, nor is it something you can publish for readers on jump, and everybody is going to make meta referential jump humor.
The contest is to create an enticing original manga for the readers of jump. The judges being legends is meant to inspire you, not derail your work.
>TL;DR
>do not do meta
>Personal stories won't make interesting jump mangas
>You making it in your manga looks extremely vein
>Highly oversaturated

[Anonymous No.4778887]

>>4778804
this this and fucking this. and why gaijin entries seems so fucking retarded.

creating a story is hard, and using a series of drawing to tell it on top of that, really makes me think how underappreciated and amazing all those mangakas that can pump out good art with a story.

[Anonymous No.4779461]

Bros, how do ya’ll outline your stories? Do you just do a general beginning, middle and end and kinda figure out the inbetween? Or do you outline your entire series chapter by chapter and try to fit all the pieces together? This planning shit is hard.

[Anonymous No.4779502]

>>4778804
>>4778887
Meta stuff was one of the things on a "never do this" list that my writing professor had. The other primary one I remember was starting a story with a character getting out of bed. These are apparently two of the most overused writing elements, especially among amateur writers. They said the amount of student / amateur stories / papers they read that were either about writing a writing assignment or started with someone waking up.

[Anonymous No.4779505]

>>4779461
I'm working on a series on the side. Haven't completed it yet.
I have a summary written for the entire thing and still plan to tweak it. I planed on writing down the summary for each chapter while thinking of tankobon style publishing (so chunks of 7 chapters or so? haven't counted yet). And than going from there.

Haven't completed the series yet. So I can't say what's the most optimal approach.

[Anonymous No.4779507]

>>4778804
>>4778887
>>4779502
What makes a writer think "Yes, this is a good idea"?

[Anonymous No.4779525]

What page size do you use? I didn't know what to do so I picked the web publication size making sure to change the dpi to 600, but the pages are way smaller than what I'm used to draw.

[Anonymous No.4779530]

>>4778261
extreme ridiculous, also
>I don't know these guys' names
>I consider Horikoshi my rival
is the beard guy totally delirious or what?

[Anonymous No.4779534]

>>4778804
>You making it in your manga looks extremely vein
and goes against the suggestion of "show us interesting characters!"

[Anonymous No.4779542]

>>4779507
Meta stuff is always clever the first time that you experience it because it subverts your expectations and tricks you by turning your prior understanding of a medium or a genre on its head. Good meta material can even keep things going for a long time without properly revealing itself (this is actually part of the reason why Undertale became so successful; it has a really interesting meta level to it that subverts your understanding of what an RPG is supposed to "be").

The issue is that it only holds up for so long, and the more your expectations are subverted in the same way, the harder it is to actually subvert your expectations. It just becomes boring and predictable like everything else, except moreso because meta narratives rely on subversion that's no longer taking place. I like to liken it to horror, in the sense that meta narratives generally do "one thing" and if they fail to do that one thing then they fall flatter than usual, similar to how horror films that aren't scary just become funny at best or boring at worst.

As far as a "waking up" start goes, the way that my professor described it is that a lot of people just see the beginning of a day or a waking experience to be a "natural" starting point, which isn't bad in and of itself until you factor in just how many people end up starting their stories that way. It's not a terrible way to begin in and of itself, it's just been done so many times by so many people that the reaction of the average well-read person tends to be "oh no, not again."

[Anonymous No.4779552]

>>4778217
> Once September hits, I'll rethink pitching to Viz. I assume the more content you have the better?

I'd say generally give them what they ask for. If they ask for, say, five or so pages, and you end up sending them twenty, chances are they're not going to end up looking at them all unless they really, *really* like it. Part of the reason why editors and publishers have guidelines is because they have a lot of stuff that they have to look over and they don't want to spend too much time shifting through twenty pages of concept art and a fifty page script treatment when they've asked for much less.

As an aside, it's the same thing with portfolios for review sessions or jobs; if they tell you to put in ten or twenty, images, don't put in thirty. They're asking because they want to see a condensed sample of your best work; more isn't always better.

> Really annoyed. Seems that my acc got suspended despite me never posting anything and it won't let me DM you. I assume you only have that acc I can reach to you through?
Unfortunately so, sorry anon. I don't really use social media a lot because I'm not fond of what those sorts of platforms do to my brain. I've been thinking of starting up an instagram though, so if that does end up happening I'll try and let you know. Hopefully you can get your account sorted out with Twitter though, that sounds really stupid.

[ta-kun No.4779565]

>>4778887
Even just writers, writers seldom get the credit they deserve. Take for example ishuzoku reviewers (writer and artist are separate people). Every aspect of it is incredibly well thought out to give you a fantasy world that is centered around sex. Details like the incubus having two hearts, where one is in the dick to control circulation are honestly brilliant.
>>4779502
That's fascinating. I bet all these cases thought the day of that writing about their struggle to come up with a paper idea would be super original.
Makes you wonder if there are other examples of that. Kyoani at a certain point said they no longer accept isekai submissions for their competition.
It also makes you wonder about the nature of overuse and fallibility of a concept. I personally think that execution is king. Cutie honey feels incredibly refreshing even though the tropes in it have been since overused and are now considered cheesy.
>>4779461
you can always start with things that you find cool. Play a couple of scenes in your head and work from there.

[Anonymous No.4779568]

>>4779542
>As far as a "waking up" start goes, the way that my professor described it is that a lot of people just see the beginning of a day or a waking experience to be a "natural" starting point, which isn't bad in and of itself until you factor in just how many people end up starting their stories that way. It's not a terrible way to begin in and of itself, it's just been done so many times by so many people that the reaction of the average well-read person tends to be "oh no, not again."
I feel that it's actually kinda hard to start a story from there, because no one jumps into doing something interesting or interacting with the world or other characters straight out of bed. Unless you're in, I don't know, the middle of the forest or a prison, waking up just leads to boring stuff that could be ignored.

[Anonymous No.4779594]

>>4779568
That's actually another part of why it was on their "don't do" list. Nobody wants to read about how the character then has to brush their teeth and eat their breakfast and then walk to school, and for one reason or another a lot of amateur writers will put in an entire daily routine at the front-end of their story.

I think you're right to say that it's difficult, but a lot of people don't really parse it that way because it is admittedly intuitive on a base level. Things "start" for us when we wake up and get out of bed, so the thought process that leads to "well, why not start my story the same way" seems sound until we consider the consequences of doing so.

[Anonymous No.4779608]

>>4779568
> Unless you're in, I don't know, the middle of the forest or a prison

or the back of a cart, having failed to cross the border

[Anonymous No.4779662]

pg8

[Anonymous No.4779687]

>>4778261

they want original stories

not just soulless pandering OMG SENPAI NOTICE OMG YOU INFLUENCED MEEEEEE

[Anonymous No.4779691]

>everyone asking what is even the point

the point is to fail

even if you dont win you will come out having a finished work you can add to your portfolio

SO DO ITTTTT

[Anonymous No.4779717]

>>4779691
>add to your portfolio
You want quality work in your portfolio, not polished turds.

Other than that. Have a lovely drawing day anons.

[Anonymous No.4779744]

>>4779552
>I'd say generally give them what they ask for. If they ask for, say, five or so pages, and you end up sending them twenty, chances are they're not going to end up looking at them all unless they really, *really* like it.
So better to condense it and wait to see if they want more? I assume they ask for more if they like it.

>>4779552
>Unfortunately so, sorry anon. I don't really use social media a lot because I'm not fond of what those sorts of platforms do to my brain. I've been thinking of starting up an instagram though, so if that does end up happening I'll try and let you know. Hopefully you can get your account sorted out with Twitter though, that sounds really stupid.
Yeah, same reason why I dislike twitter really and I'm not fond of them wanting my phone number. I have an instagram, mostly inactive tho. All I needed was one DM to send you my email or something.
I'll hit you up if I fix it. And if you make an instagram first, you can tell me in this thread.

[Anonymous No.4779765]

>>4779565
I have enough ideas and characters and conflicts, but man is it hard to organize it all and keep everything consistent.

[Anonymous No.4779775]

>>4779717
better to have a polished turd than nothing

[Anonymous No.4779816]

>>4779775
It’s not better if you want to go pro.
But I’m mostly still bitching about the other submission.

You have to create in order to get better. But, you don’t have to submit every piece of work you do. Treat your product and readers with respect and keep your ego in check.

There are too many “I’m gonna win cuz I’m confident” submissions already.

[ta-kun No.4779845]

>>4779542
This is why the best meta works are ones who don't rely on the meta to be enjoyable.Even if you have never played an RPG in your life and have no expectations to be subverted, undertale has fun mechanisms and a sweet story. I understand none of the references from PSG besides an occasional "I think I heard of this before". Even though I get none of the references, the comedic timing, atmosphere, and animation are so on point that it's incredible nonetheless.
I firmly believe that execution trumps all

asa okite ha wo migaite
attoiuma gogojuuji
kyou mo takusan warattanaa
takusan tokimeitanaa

[Anonymous No.4779873]

Are master studies even useful when it comes to manga?

[Anonymous No.4779891]

>>4779873
Studying manga pros is the way to go yes.

[Anonymous No.4779967]

Is it coo to draw stuff separately n resize it to fit in panels?

If No, why not?

[Anonymous No.4779972]

>>4779502
I can see why your professor would say “never do meta.” It seems like the biggest low hanging fruit for amateurs out there that overly pretentious people think they’re being super clever when they do it. Anyone can be observant and poke holes in common tropes and be a “critic.” But writing is supposed to be about putting your most intimate self out there for the world to see. Learning to expose your vulnerabilities so that others might relate.

I think the best example of this is when Digibro tried to write an Isekai, and the whole thing was a post-ironic subversion of established tropes with no real heart to it or soul. The entire thing was dogshit, but his subreddit lapped it up as the second coming of Christ. Like I said. Anyone can be a critic. It’s super easy to tear down someone else’s work or be observant. But writing is actually really damn hard, because as you’re telling a story, millions of options present themselves, and oftentimes knowing what the best path to take isn’t immediately obvious. Hindsight is 20/20. I’m sure most writers agree with a lot of the criticism leveled at their work.

tl;dr I agree with your prof 100%

>>4778804
I mean, to me this seemed like common sense. The entire POINT of contests like these (which for the west seems like a once in a lifetime opportunity, but in Japan they have them like every month), is for them to be a trial, or a challenge, that tests your creativity and storytelling skills. Whoever had the best concept, and tells is the best, wins. That’s what Jump cares about. And if you look at most mangaka, they’re not self-indulgent. Their focus is always on their readers and fans. It’s a very Japanese thing but the only reason you’d continue to slave over a story despite being a millionaire who doesn’t need to work, is because you care about your fans and not disappointing them.

[Anonymous No.4779973]

>>4778804
It’s easy to dream about being a mangaka, but much like Hayao Miyasaki put it, just wanting it is not good enough. I get the feeling that many people like the idea of being a mangaka, but not the reality. Anyone who likes the reality of it is bursting at the seams with ideas and stories they wanna tell and will deliver those to an audience no matter what. That’s the sort of person who doesn’t give a flying fuck about working a dozen hours daily with few or no breaks.

[Anonymous No.4779975]

>>4779967
If it looks good and nobody would know then who cares?
If it looks bad then don't do it.

Simple innit.

[Anonymous No.4779984]

>>4779967
Don’t do this. Same reason you shouldn’t zoom in too much.

For one, when you reside it, your brush sizes will change and be inconsistent with the rest of the panels. Second, you fall into the trap of overdrawing. I actually make a habit of making sure I don’t zoom past a certain level to avoid adding detail to panels that don’t need excessive detail. Otherwise you wind up spending more time on a page than you need to. To understand what I mean, try drawing and inking a manga page in traditional.

[Anonymous No.4780016]

>>4779984
What if you're drawing manually, you think that'd make difference?

I've done it before, but I just heard about the Zoom No-No and that's exactly why I asked.

[Anonymous No.4780061]

>>4779967
Do it only at sketch or second sketch stage.
Resize and place the sketch drawing into the panel as you see best and then you do the lineart layer trying to avoid what >>4779984
said about brush size.

[Anonymous No.4780119]

>>4779816

agreed, generally what one art teacher told me is work a FUCK TON then pick out 2-3 or ten finished, polished, tasteful pieces and thats what you show people

[Anonymous No.4780122]

>>4779973

Yeah after working in a coffee shop I learned what work really means.

Work means working even if you're tired, work means even if you don't want to, work means putting out a good product EVERY TIME, work means following a then b then c, and doing it FAST.

The customer doesn't care how you do it, they just want their iced caramel coffee with cream and sugar and ice stirred, put a lid on it and handed to them with a fucking smile on your face "enjoy!"

replace coffee with "polished big titty anime gir" or landscape or whatever

[Anonymous No.4780249]

>>4779816
Well, in this case, an international Tezuka contest might never happen again. So, if the only thing you can send is a polished turd, shouldn't you try to polish as much as you can instead of sending nothing?

[Anonymous No.4780259]

Hope your weekends are going well, anons!
Here are some moments with some levity with my characters.

[Anonymous No.4780261]

>>4778261
Seems like they upload their actual submission, but the writing isn’t any better...

[Anonymous No.4780262]

[Anonymous No.4780290]

>>4780249
Of the end result is a bad product than polishing a turd=doing nothing.

Strictly speaking about the contest that is.

[Anonymous No.4780321]

Is it even possible to write believable manga without having any social skills or knowledge about other people?

[Anonymous No.4780327]

>>4780321
fuck no but at least you can try to make up for it with visuals
maybe watch and study a lot of tv and movies

[Anonymous No.4780341]

>>4780321
the vast majority of japanese avoid social interaction and keep socializing at a minimum.
quote from the hikikomori entry on wikipedia:
>"Estimates suggest that half a million Japanese youths have become social recluses, as well as more than half a million middle-aged individuals."

if they can write compelling manga without social skills then we can do it too.

[Anonymous No.4780343]

>>4780341
>"Estimates suggest that half a million Japanese youths have become social recluses, as well as more than half a million middle-aged individuals."

> if they can write compelling manga without social skills then we can do it too.

this explains so much about how cringe some of the dialogue and characterization in manga is.

[Anonymous No.4780347]

>>4780321
You don’t have to be good at talking to people to observe them and make mental notes.
But you should learn how to entertain. And to do that you need to invoke some sort of emotion in your readership. The only emotion you want to avoid is indifference.

[Anonymous No.4780554]

>>4760396
is seinen allowed is the contest?
i'm not sure if i should tone down my story and make it more kid friendly

[Anonymous No.4780689]

is it bad to have two different anime styles in one manga like for an example having a toonish one piece/shaman king for some parts of your manga and later on a realistic style like berserk vagabond or prison school all in the same manga

[Anonymous No.4780697]

>>4780689
If you're an amateur who almost certainly can pull off neither then it's a terrible idea.
If you're asking this question at all then no you should not attempt it.

[Anonymous No.4780964]

>>4780343
that's a bit unfair to generalize. something i notice time and time again in anime/manga is this recurring pattern that i can't quite put into word. maybe it's like a cultural difference. interactions or plot they thought normal come as cringe to foreigner. but yeah they can be pretty damn cringe.

[Anonymous No.4780979]

>>4780964
Examples?

[Anonymous No.4780981]

>>4780964
It might have to do with target demographic and common tropes. And nowadays web manga and web light novels can get an anime /manga adaptation. The ones that I was recommended to watch mostly disappointed me. Arifureta and Ascendance of a Bookworm come to mind. I couldn’t stomach either of them, but they’re popular.

[Anonymous No.4781047]

>>4780981
i envy japanese creators so much. the path is already paved for them or at least the chance is there. if you are an amateur writer with a dream, you just need to post on Japan equivalent of wattpad, gain a decent following of the story or get pick by an editor, then get hook up with an artist and be published.

of course this system is kinda two bladed sword with bad amateur creating bad story. but those trash wish fulfillment series arent popular for nothing.

[Anonymous No.4781062]

>>4781047
The chance definitely is there, but so is the fierce competition. At least they don’t have to deal with “muh asian genes” when it comes to the readership. I hope the western manga industry blooms and we see an influx of quality work that’s actually accepted.

[Anonymous No.4781090]

>>4780554
>seinen

how dark is it?

[Anonymous No.4781097]

Whatcha drawin' bros?

[Anonymous No.4781115]

>>4781097
Late night drawin’. I have about 35 pages drawn at this point, I have all month to finish but really need to push myself to the end. I was able to get meds for my ADHD finally so working has been a lot less like treading through mud :^)

Really like the detail on your inks so far btw!!!

[Anonymous No.4781122]

>>4781115
>Late night drawin’. I have about 35 pages drawn at this point, I have all month to finish but really need to push myself to the end. I was able to get meds for my ADHD finally so working has been a lot less like treading through mud :^)
Same here fellow ausbro. Substitute meds for coffee though.

Nice page, very energetic!

[Anonymous No.4781173]

>>4781097
Just... drawing a bunch of children because I hate myself. And pulling an allnighter. These children won't draw themselves.

>>4781115
Very dynamic! Keep up the spirits!

>>4781122
Keep at it my caffeinated friend. I should make some too actually.

[Anonymous No.4781573]

>>4781097
I can almost see the finish line.
Although, once I'm done with the pages, I'll probably go through and try giving them some more polish where I can.

Keep it up anons!

[Anonymous No.4781650]

>>4781573

[Anonymous No.4781682]

>>4781650
Thank you! ^_^

[Anonymous No.4781689]

>>4780262
I love your work so far so much but your fonts are so distracting. If you choose 2 different dialogue fonts, they should be more diverse. Instead it looks like you forgot what font you were using
(But thankfully this is minor, when you win and get to hire assistants, they can do all the typesetting for you!)

[Anonymous No.4781733]

>>4781689
Haha, I think it shows that typesetting is not my forte ^_^;;
Hopefully it's not so distracting it takes away from the overall flow. T_T

[Anonymous No.4781879]

What is a good pen to mimic manga style? I've used only the Milli pen to sketch, but it doesn't appear that dark on smaller lines. Using Clip Studio.

[Anonymous No.4781908]

>>4781879
if youre using clip studio, just use the g pen for characters and the mapping pen for backgrounds/hatching stuff

[Anonymous No.4782355]

Anyone else visits these threads but doesn't give a literal fuck about the contest?

[Anonymous No.4782414]

>>4782355
>https://medibang.com/contest/jumptezuka100th/entry?lang=en
No.

[Anonymous No.4782765]

PG 9

susanna makes some coffee and drinks it

[Anonymous No.4782796]

I think this one is genuinely the best one so far:

https://medibang.com/book/cw2008090726508760000596301/

[Anonymous No.4782817]

>>4782796
>https://medibang.com/book/cw2008090726508760000596301/
agreed. the art is beautiful and the story was really nice too. there have been a couple so far with good ass art but lackluster stories, but this one is pretty great in regard to both

[Anonymous No.4782826]

>>4782817
The only thing I’m not too keen on is the fact that drugs are referenced. I’m not sure how the Japanese will take to that, even if it’s an important part of his back story. I feel the creator could have swapped that with say... gambling, if he wanted to give him a dark past. All that aside, it was very good.

[Anonymous No.4782853]

>>4782796
>54 pages
doesn't that dq it from the contest?

[Anonymous No.4782858]

>>4782853
>Number of pages: up to 55 pages
No.

[Anonymous No.4783133]

Is it worth it to post WIP with no dialogue, here?

[Anonymous No.4783137]

Thoughts on this so far. Basically everyone agreeing to team up in their own way, then the ship taking off

[Anonymous No.4783223]

>>4772458
nta. would that make printing for the physical volume more costly since its in gray? or is there something i dont know.

[Anonymous No.4783257]

>>4782355
This thread series has become one of the best on /ic/ IMO.

[Anonymous No.4783463]

>>4760396
Noob here
Is there a specific rule about the panel choices when drawing a page? I want to learn to place my panels in a way that works with the story visually.

[Anonymous No.4783623]

>>4783463

you can just imitate the page layout from a manga you like and replace the contenet with youre own content

there's also this

[Anonymous No.4783630]

some japanese jazz punk i've been jamming while working on panels

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Op5jPK5kvf4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNKwYVg6V8E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A2Io7wC9vc

[Anonymous No.4783996]

Anyone know the specific rules for margins and all that stuff?
Medibang has everything set for dojin and manga as a template for new files.. Would these suffice or is there something more?
Bonus question. What programs are you all using?

[Anonymous No.4784168]

>>4783996
I think the Medibang margins should be more than enough. :)
This is a contest that is held by none other than Medibang, after all.

I'm currently using Clip Studio Paint EX (I recently made the splurge due to both the manga management tools as well as the animation restriction taken off). I have to say, I'm very happy with the tools that are provided, and was able to make my pages without sweating too much about the technical details.
I was worried, since I've never made a manga before. ^_^
Once I'm done with the manga contest, I definitely will be testing out the animation features.

[Anonymous No.4784375]

pg10 work in progress

[Anonymous No.4784378]

>>4784168

wait what are the medibang margins??? ARE THERE REQUIRED MARGINS HOLY FUCK NO

[Anonymous No.4784396]

>>4784378
I'm assuming the margins are the same, whichever program you use. Just follow the general manga margin guidelines, and you should be okay. :)

[Anonymous No.4784491]

>>4784396


My manga is >>4784375 & >>4779662

are these margins good or will I be disqualified?

[Anonymous No.4784492]

>>4783257
Agree, regardless of if you are aiming to participate or not. It is still useful.

[Anonymous No.4784498]

>>4784396

>>4784396


My manga is >>4784375 & >>4779662 &>>4782765


are these margins good or will I be disqualified?

[Anonymous No.4784549]

emm, like this ?

[Anonymous No.4784598]

>>4784498
I could probably get away with it, I think.
I tried resizing your page into my guide, and while it's not the exact width/height as mine.. I think it can work.

Sorry if I can't provide better information/tips.. I honestly don't really know myself.. But you just need to be careful that you don't exceed the trim line, and be aware that anything within the margin area can get cut off depending on the printing.

[Anonymous No.4784605]

>>4784498
>>4784598
Sorry, I meant YOU could get away with it. ^_^;;;
Here's a link that hopefully helps too.
https://tips.clip-studio.com/en-us/articles/733

[Anonymous No.4784631]

Since i won't make it in time for the contest i'll just put this here so it doesnt go into obivlion.

[Anonymous No.4784657]

>>4784631
Oh wow.. How did you approach drawing the mountain if I may ask? :O

[Anonymous No.4784727]

>>4784631
Tell us your story anon-san.

[Anonymous No.4784733]

>>4784598
You’re not using the trim line correctly. When cut you’d have almost no white space around your panels.

[boxman No.4784738]

>>4784605
>>4784598

HOLY SHIT THANKS

thanks so much man you just saved my ass

[Anonymous No.4784768]

>>4784631
Do any of you have a plan if you don't make it into the contest? I'm aware that this international opportunity won't repeat ever again, is there any other way to participate in Japanese contests? Both in art and story I know that I have no chance to make it

[Anonymous No.4784792]

>>4784768
There’s different manga contests happening year round I believe. You can check medibang’s past contests and see if there’s repeats and when they usually run. Tho nothing guarantees a publishing deal even if you do win. So if you want to work in the industry search for all the options available to you.

[Anonymous No.4784795]

>>4784657
The trick is in using the brushes as both black and in transparency mode, this way you can simulate light in the same leaves that have shadows. Try it, you can get a lot of different results with it.

Combine that with a good reference and there you have the trick.

>>4784727
Two people find a woman in the woods and before she dies she asks them to find her baby.

>>4784768
I've been thinking about this. If i get to finish it i'll probably save it in the vault if another round of the contest happens. If not, maybe upload it to a manga reading site like mangadex.

[Anonymous No.4784806]

>>4784792
I know that Medibang has a yearly contest, but it seems that no one outside of Japan cares that much anyway. I doubt that they would make another international round though, really this feels like wasting an one-in-a-lifetime chance but as much as it bothers me I didn't have the level to participate anyway.

[Anonymous No.4784812]

>55 pages max.
I'm wondering if blank pages such as 2nd and 2nd to last page factor into that. You know the ones, those unprinted pages that appear right after the title card.

[Anonymous No.4784813]

>>4784795
OOOHH!! I didn't realize you can paint in transparency? That's pretty neat!
Thanks for the tip, anon ^_^

[Anonymous No.4784822]

>>4784806
>one-in-a-lifetime chance
I mean you never know what will happen in the future.
But the question is, what do you want to do in the long term? When you have that answer you can prepare and hone your skills for your personal goals.
I don’t think anyone will remember this contest unless someone actually wins. Correct me if I’m wrong, but there’s a chance no one will win anything besides an honorable mention.

[Anonymous No.4784823]

so which is correct? a or b?

[Anonymous No.4784826]

>>4784822

this desu

[Anonymous No.4784828]

>>4784823
A, but the bubble on the upper side can't be cut by the margin, you gotta move that a bit down so it's complete inside the page.

[Anonymous No.4784843]

>>4784822

to everyone who thinks guy is being a pessimist, he's just being realistic.

if you look at some of the entries and compare it to ours, we aren't in the same league.

And I doubt "heart" will win over a professional polished end product.

still im just gonna coom over the idea of akira toriyama even reading my manga assuming they're gonna read every single entry.

and just remember don't stop working, don't give up and pic related.

[Anonymous No.4784844]

>>4784812
Anon those only exist in tankobon to make sure the pages are bound on the correct side they were drawn for.
So that say, the magazine chapter started on the even page (the left) so when the chapters are collected in order to make sure that page is correctly an even page in the book it may be necessary to include a filler page with a doodle or something. You shouldn't be in a situation where you must include a blank filler page to keep your pages on the intended side of the binding, because it's easy to just fix.

>>4784823
It's up to you dude. B will absolutely ensure everything on the page is there, but the result will be the speech bubble being open and everything having a shitload of white space around it. Not a huge problem though I guess it might look a bit amateurish, but whatever, we ARE amateurs and they know that already.
A is more like how you're meant to do it, except you've got text outside the safe zone that will be cut off, which is the biggest no-no you could commit with these margins.

The problem here is that the way the page is paneled results in either text being cut off or big white spaces. Your options are either got with B or start moving text/dialogue bubbles/panels around to work better. In the future, you can work with the following knowledge: The innermost area is SAFE 100%. Between the safe area and the 2nd margin is where it will vary between printings, so you can have stuff there just try to avoid stuff going all the way to the edge of this margin, and absolutely no text in here (SFX is fine if you could still tell what it is if part of it is cut off). The outer margin is obviously a big big nono as it's 100% anything in there will be cut off.

What I'm doing is keeping things inside the 2nd margin, but drawing all the way to the last margin then cropping the rest of the canvas out when I export. This way the page looks good in digital without the big white area encircling it while also being easily ready for physical print.

[Anonymous No.4784847]

>>4784828

ah ok thanks ( 0 . 0 )b

[Anonymous No.4784848]

>>4784823
Both are wrong.
The smallest border on the grid is where your panels should fit into. Black only, without the white borders. If I’m not making sense I’ll make you an example. Just ask. Atm grinding and don’t wanna waste too much time.

[Anonymous No.4784857]

>>4784848

i think i understand but if you have the time to make an example it would be mondo appreciated senpai.

[Anonymous No.4784858]

>>4784844
Pic of the project file for this image for comparison. I select on the outer margin area (a selection layer that I just copy/paste to each new page for speed) then crop and export before undoing the crop.

[Anonymous No.4784864]

>>4784858

oh i see thank you bro you're awesome!

[Anonymous No.4784886]

>>4784857
Got an anwser, but now I already made this so... XD

[ta-kun No.4784898]

>>4784857
>>4784864
DEATH!

[Anonymous No.4784940]

>>4769041
Eyes are the most important part

[Anonymous No.4784965]

>>4784843
Do I sound that pessimistic? lol
>still im just gonna coom over the idea of akira toriyama even reading my manga assuming they're gonna read every single entry.
I’m pretty sure they’ll filter out the submissions and the pros will only read the handpicked ones. That’s why those meta submissions are utterly pointless.

[Anonymous No.4785065]

>>4784822
>the question is, what do you want to do in the long term?
Honestly I have no idea, I wanted to make comics but no one makes or buys them in my country, except for manga. Although I would actually love working doing manga I know that it's impossible.

[Anonymous No.4785072]

>>4763979
oh shoot dude love the noses

[Anonymous No.4785084]

>>4784965

So you're saying I just gotta make it past the first line of cutting to get akira toriyama to read it ＼(T∇T)/

[Anonymous No.4785093]

>>4784965
>I’m pretty sure they’ll filter out the submissions and the pros will only read the handpicked ones. That’s why those meta submissions are utterly pointless.
>utterly pointless.
>utterly
>pointless desu

>Do I sound that pessimistic? lol

You don't hear that negative tinge to your posts lol? i can imagine you looking like Uryu Ishida
pushing up your glasses like pic related

>heh try to beat me? I've already run the calcultions idiot. you have a 0.0000001% chace of successfully beating me.

it technically pessimistic, but also loveable harsh reality guy. as opposed to pie in the sky friendship optimistic guy who's like "guys i know if we just believe in ourselves we can do anything!" im that guy lol.

[Anonymous No.4785110]

>>4785065
>Although I would actually love working doing manga I know that it's impossible.
I used to be the same mentality. Gave up too.
Than 10 years passed and I suddenly remembered I won't live forever and manga is something I wanted to do no matter what. Was partially inspired by the Radiant guy too. So, do some introspection and see how much it matters to you.

>>4785084
Yeah, sadly. you have to member the pros are busy people. So the company won't want to waste their time and will have an editor cull anything deemed unacceptable.
As a side note. According to Arakis book, editors usually decide within 3 pages if hey're going to continue reading a manga. Sometimes within page one.

>>4785093
>You don't hear that negative tinge to your posts lol? i can imagine you looking like Uryu Ishida
>pushing up your glasses like pic related
>it technically pessimistic, but also loveable harsh reality guy.
Lmao thanks for the laugh. I do happen to have glasses like that, so you're not too far off.
I don't want anyone to give up. But, I also don't want anyone to just be satisfied by "but at least it's something desu". All of us have so much potential for growth.

[Anonymous No.4785125]

>>4785093
>>4785110
Wholesome exchange is wholesome. ^_^

[Anonymous No.4785182]

>>4785110
>>4785125

Yeah i get his type because my younger brother is the same way. (Not full of darkness and past fuckup mistakes like me)

Always right, says the true reality, is actually the good guy.

The way I look at it it's like saint john the baptist and jesus.

John is a schizo desert dwelling camel skin wearing carrying a cane screaming the messiah will come!
and the one who comes, he, I am not fit to tie his sandals.

and technically John the Baptist baptises Christ so Christ can go to heaven, but john cannot go as he left unbaptised.

Christ says
Luke 7:28 I tell you, among those born of women there is no one greater than John, yet even the least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.”

So he or me i suppose is the based dude with all the fuckups and scars who leads the way so the new younger dude can save the world and bring heaven on earth. (___0.0)7

[Anonymous No.4785188]

>>4785110
>>4785125

Yeah i get his type because my younger brother is the same way. (Not full of darkness and past fuckup mistakes like me)

Always right, says the true reality, is actually the good guy.

The way I look at it it's like saint john the baptist and jesus.

John is a schizo desert dwelling camel skin wearing carrying a cane screaming the messiah will come!
and the one who comes, he, I am not fit to tie his sandals.

and technically John the Baptist baptises Christ so Christ can go to heaven, but john cannot go as he left unbaptised.

Christ says
Luke 7:28 I tell you, among those born of women there is no one greater than John, yet even the least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.”

So he or me i suppose is the based dude with all the fuckups and scars who leads the way so the new younger dude can save the world and bring heaven on earth. (___0.0)7

[Anonymous No.4785213]

>>4785188
>John is a schizo desert dwelling camel skin wearing carrying a cane screaming the messiah will come!
lol You should hear me rant about the submissions back at home.

[Anonymous No.4785321]

>>4785072
Many thanks! ^_^

[Anonymous No.4785355]

>>4785110
>As a side note. According to Arakis book, editors usually decide within 3 pages if hey're going to continue reading a manga. Sometimes within page one.

I mean at least they review the storyboard and not necesary the whole finished thing, that would be absolutely crushing. By that point with a storyboard you can ask several editors and ask all of them for feedback and what you are lacking.

Absolute worse case scenario you make something and end selling it online at booth.pm or something like that.

[Anonymous No.4785380]

>>4785355
>I mean at least they review the storyboard and not necesary the whole finished thing
Only when they trust your finished work has quality. When you’re first starting, they’d wanna see a fully completed manuscript. At least I assume so.

[Anonymous No.4785387]

>>4785380
It's for that reason that first you participate in awards, once you get a big prize, runner up or a mention they can know more about how you work from beforehand. I'm assuming here too tho.

[Anonymous No.4785392]

>>4785110
To be honest even if I want to make manga or comic or whatever it is fit to call it, except in contests like this, where else does people care?

[Anonymous No.4785417]

>>4785387
In japan they can schedule an appointment with an editor. But, I’m not sure how many times they have to bring a polished manuscript to an editor. It’s probably a person to person basis. If your art is lacking they’d probably want more than a name.
>>4785392
People will only care about quality work. Or you as a person if you’re famous (sometimes supporting you even if your work is sub-par). You have webcomics as an option webtoons and tapastic. Or you can try pitching to Viz media and see if that takes off.
If making comics is something you want to do you have to sit down and work on it. Because, there’s always a chance that another opportunity will show itself and you want to be prepared for it.

[Anonymous No.4785443]

https://medibang.com/book/ku1909210337525760011028600/view/

Here’s the winners from a previous Medibang contest for reference. I mostly checked them out to see how winners were formatted.

[Anonymous No.4785447]

pg 10 done ~o!

[Anonymous No.4785469]

>get tons of better ideas halfway through the story

[Anonymous No.4785508]

>>4785443
https://medibang.com/contest/shonenmagazine/award/

I think you meant to link this one.
What’s interesting is the editorial comments.

[Anonymous No.4785524]

>>4763971
>>4763979
>>4763982
okay, this looks good. and please tell me you know what you are doing with the frame border?

[Anonymous No.4785548]

>>4785524
Thank you! ^_^

As for the frame borders...
I hope so! I'm just using the built-in margin lines as the guideline.
It's my first time making a manga, and I'm pretty sure I've done something really stupid that may bite me later... But I've been able to survive so far. ^_^;

[Anonymous No.4785559]

>>4785548
I made a quick guide. >>4784886
You might have to tweak things a bit.

[Anonymous No.4785564]

>>4785548
yeah i thought so. it would be a shame if you mindlessly draw and got the drawing past some border. knowing what the border means can let you decide whether to do a bleed page or just a normal one.

[Anonymous No.4785569]

>>4785548
You're not using the borders correctly. Panels either need to align to the default border or go all the way out to the bleed. You can't have any panels in the cropped space like your first two panels are.

[Anonymous No.4785612]

Please someone give me some emotional support or encouragement, my team had some serious setbacks but if I draw 1 page every day after work and then 2 pages every day for 10 days in which I don't have work I should be fine. By draw, I mean multiple revisions. Of relatively detailed drafts and all the typesetting has already been done, so just lineart and toning. I haven't gotten much done for 5 days... The uncertainty has killed me ..

[Anonymous No.4785615]

>>4785612
Keep going anon! I started late so I’m really huffing it. If it makes you feel any better I only have half the story. It’s not super plot intensive, but I’ll be winging the other half.

[Anonymous No.4785625]

>>4785612
Instead of begging random people to pat you on the back, draw.
No thinking only drawing.

[Anonymous No.4785674]

>>4785612
the frick is she doing? a dog toy?

[Anonymous No.4785737]

>>4785612

you can do it anon!

[Anonymous No.4785749]

>>4785612

https://youtu.be/60mLvBWOMb4

just listen to this for 10 hours straight while you work and you'll be fine.

[Anonymous No.4785755]

>>4760396
Do you think there will be another big international contest like this one?
I wanted to participate this time but due to setbacks I only managed to barely finish drafting. I hope this thread stays as active even when tezuka is over.

[Anonymous No.4785764]

>>4769041

because eyes are what you're supposed to make eye contact and pay attention to with a person when you talk y-you

DOUBLE AUTISMO

[Anonymous No.4785788]

FINALLY got the pen settings right.

took ya long enough jesus christ

[Anonymous No.4785791]

>>4785788

and this

using wacom cintiq with slim pen

[Anonymous No.4785803]

>>4785791
For me, it's velocity + random.

[Anonymous No.4785815]

>>4767393
the question is not if. but when.

[Anonymous No.4785821]

lolvput a small bit of pam on a paper towel so my hand drags perfectly when i do a curve and doesn't stop and i end up with a jaggy line!

[Anonymous No.4785832]

>>4785803

Tried your settings, didn't really like it lol.

To each his own, Different strokes (literally) for different folks!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jJIVK-daGk

Now, the world don't move to the beat of just one drum
What might be right for you, may not be right for some
A man is born, he's a man of means
Then along come two, they got nothing but their jeans

But they got, Diff'rent Strokes
It takes, Diff'rent Strokes
It takes, Diff'rent Strokes to move the world
It takes, Diff'rent Strokes
It takes, Diff'rent Strokes to move the world

Everybody's got a special kind of story
Everybody finds a way to shine
It don't matter that you got not alot
So what
They'll have theirs, and you'll have yours, and I'll have mine
And together we'll be fine....

[Anonymous No.4785846]

>>4785821
put me in the screencap

[Anonymous No.4785849]

>>4785821
What?

[Anonymous No.4785855]

>>4785832
It's slow but it forces me to slow down my strokes. I learnt on a Intuous Small and recently swapped to an XP-Pen 15.6 so I was having trouble getting used to drawing in long shoulder-strokes. Using a setting that forces me to draw slow strokes basically forced gains. I much prefer my line quality after making the swap, and I can emulate that super-light ink you can see in traditional inking styles which for me is a huge plus.

[Anonymous No.4785861]

>>4785849

*put a small pit of pam on my tablet so my hand drags perfectly and doesn't stagger from friction and doesn't stop and so when i do a curve i don't end up with a jaggy line!

[Anonymous No.4785862]

>>4785755
i hope so. this is not the first time this kind of contest happened. i think there also was the kyoto manga contest that finished recently.

the problem i think is that everytime gaijin entries seems to filled with unskilled amateur, which i hope doesnt make them give up on this kind of competition. wasnt the last one has not any winner from the international category?

we are more connected than ever, with this kind of system, it's not possible for all international wannabe mangakas to at least get a taste of being published in a japan magazine. that is if they are good enough in the first place to win.

[Anonymous No.4785879]

>>4785861
>>4785849
>>4785846

here it is IN ACTION

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHE1__TMyvI

[Anonymous No.4785950]

MY HAND HURTS
MY BACK HURTS
MY EYES HURT
MY FEET ARE TINGLING

[Anonymous No.4785969]

I KEEP TABBING BACK TO 4CHAN EVERY 10 MINUTES

[Anonymous No.4786172]

>>4785862
I want to participate in these contests to push myself and to bring some light on my series so people might read it. I don't even want to be published from some big japanese publisher. I will probably use one of the self-publishing sites like webtoons or pixiv comics for this, since I'm doing this as a hobby.
>the problem i think is that everytime gaijin entries seems to filled with unskilled amateur, which i hope doesnt make them give up on this kind of competition
desu I didn't check the japanese entries for these contests yet but I assume there are a lot of amateur works too. people might need like 5 contests to start getting there in terms of skills, so allowing unskilled works too is pretty important at least imo.

[Anonymous No.4786222]

I really do love this bit right here.

The line “you are not the hunter... you are the lamb.” Really does hit you. Especially with that pause right before it as the doors behind them shut. It’s got a nice tension>release sorts build up from the previous page. It’s like “oh shit!” Once you reach his reaction.

[Anonymous No.4786268]

>>4786172
>people might need like 5 contests to start getting there in terms of skills,
Doing a lot of work might improve your drawing ability and general draftsmanship, but it doesn’t guarantee you improve in your storytelling. Storytelling is the number one reason why submissions fail.
Japanese editors have a critical eye, a mediocre story doesn’t cut it when you’re trying to sell millions of copies. Westerners pat themselves on the back way too easily every time someone completes a piece of work. If anyone suggests their story isn’t up to the standards you’re told that you’re being too nit picky.
In short, storytelling is one of the hardest things to improve and we don’t have the luxury of having someone who is established telling us “this won’t cut it” and us actually listening. Art on its own is easier to criticize and improve upon.

[Anonymous No.4786289]

>>4786268
Thing about writing, is that you don’t need an expert to get feedback on it. Just someone willing to be honest with you. Ask “what did you like?” “What didn’t you like?” Common advice among rookie writers is to write a lot, and share your stories with close friends, family, or a writer’s circle. This group can be a makeshift writer’s circle for those with no one close enough to play that part for them. But the more people you allow to read your stories and give you feedback, the better. After all, your goal with a story should be to draw in general audiences.

[Anonymous No.4786290]

>>4786268
>Doing a lot of work might improve your drawing ability and general draftsmanship, but it doesn’t guarantee you improve in your storytelling
I generally see people studying on both draftsmanship and writing. only people who are absolutely lost in comics/manga don't work on both
>If anyone suggests their story isn’t up to the standards you’re told that you’re being too nit picky
I'm in 2 servers for general comic and manga creation and I didn't see it happening once yet. Maybe it happens with /begs/ in a hugbox environment but not in places that are designed to seriously discuss art.
>storytelling is one of the hardest things to improve and we don’t have the luxury of having someone who is established telling us “this won’t cut it”
There are writer communities with people who have experience in that field who can give advice and crit on everything non-drawing.

[Anonymous No.4786348]

>>4786290
>I'm in 2 servers for general comic and manga creation and I didn't see it happening once yet. Maybe it happens with /begs/ in a hugbox environment but not in places that are designed to seriously discuss art.
Finding quality spaces like that is hard, since they’re probably pretty private. Not everyone will have the luck or connections to be able to benefit from it.
I’ll admit some bias on my part. Last time I gave a story critique on an amateur manga, some third party chimed in saying “don’t listen OP, I found it lovely”.

Not trying to be a dick or call you out or anything. But, I’m also curious how many people in your writing community has actually achieved anything with their work. Sometimes some spaces just stay at an amateur lever, even tho they’re really focused and dedicated to their craft. But, I think it’s great that you(I’m assuming) have access to more critical eyes for your work.

[Anonymous No.4786429]

>>4786268
>storytelling is one of the hardest things to improve
also, unlike drawing, there aren't that many hard rules to follow and you can't exactly copy from the masters without falling into being repetitive or even a plagiarist

[Anonymous No.4786521]

Did you use one of the jump paint templates to start the manga? I picked the recommended for web publication and the pages are really small, but I kinda advanced a lot already.

[ta-kun No.4787046]

This was a nice thread, good luck to all the friends with their manga!

[Anonymous No.4787685]

all muh page so far

[Anonymous No.4787766]

>>4787685
Keep it up, anon! Fight fight!

[Anonymous No.4788320]

>>4787046
Thanks anon, good luck to you too, if you're working on anything

[Anonymous No.4788325]

New thread

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