/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.4755622]

i'm sorry but I can't take draw a box seriously when the author's art look this dogshit

[Anonymous No.4755626]

good thing he isn't teaching appeal but rather something completely unrelated

[Anonymous No.4755637]

>>4755622
how does a cat own a store? what is she buying? who is the guy on the right?

[Anonymous No.4755640]

Same thing with Nicolaides.

[Anonymous No.4755641]

>>4755637
How do you know the cat is the owner?

[Anonymous No.4755646]

>>4755622
good enough for me

[Anonymous No.4755649]

>>4755626
>appeal
is this the new meme word after soul

>>4755646
all that visual cluster

absolute shit looks like a michael bay transformers

[Anonymous No.4755651]

>>4755641
There's a blanket with a cat symbol, implying that the store is the cat's
The woman is the one giving gold
Usually there isn't a guy behind the cashier dude

[Anonymous No.4755654]

>>4755649
No, appeal is not meme and definitely not like that retarded soul shit. Creating appealing is a skill like good design.

[Anonymous No.4755728]

>>4755622
The perspective looks... off. Isn't the point of drawabox to avoid this kind of thing?

[Anonymous No.4755735]

>>4755728
redline it

[Anonymous No.4755760]

>>4755728
the cat is fucking giant

[Anonymous No.4755783]

>>4755728
The problem is not the perspective. It looks off because the compostion is bad. Look at it through the rule of thirds for examle. The middle right is cluttered for example.

I get what he tried to accomplish with the piece though. He tried to make a scene were the hero in the 1st plane is withnessing the transaction from afar. But I don't like his execution. The hero is dark and just a vertical shape. The big vase messing with the hero's body (two vertical shapes) are not interesting to the eye. The lady's arm don't create interesting forms that lead the eye anywhere interesting. And the potions in the bottle look off, mainly because he chose to use pure white as glass shape. If you look at glass, you'll see that it's not a pure line of white. He confused white highlights the glass sometimes reflect when direct light is shined upon them, with the shape.

The brushes are meh. I could say it looks unfinished but it may be style. Though he should expand the range of his values and create more decent lighting. For example the light is coming from behind the lady it seems, but there is shadows in the back of her dress?

Anyway, I think he'd do better to imagine less and study real light more and try harder at creating interesting compositions.

[Anonymous No.4755855]

>>4755622
SOUL

[Anonymous No.4755958]

Drawabox teaches incredibly basic construction principles, basically construction 101 for babbies. He at least does that right, you can feasibly go through the course and come out the other side being able to construct 3D objects.
The issue with his artwork isn't with construction or the technical side in general, but rather with effective stylization and appeal, which is a completely different subject of study entirely.

[Anonymous No.4755960]

>>4755622
You need to break yourself of this fallacy or you will be unteachable.
You don't need to be skilled in a topic to teach it, and the best art teachers are almost never the best artists

[Anonymous No.4755965]

>>4755622

shitty wonky forms and shapes
stiff gesture on the woman
perspective issues
bad values
muddy colors

literal /beg/ painting

[Anonymous No.4755969]

>>4755735
>>4755728
>>4755783
No, the perspective is pretty off here. Break the image down into perspective planes and you can see that it doesn't line up. Look at the shelf on the left, and the pot on the right in particular.

[Anonymous No.4756054]

>>4755651
That cat just works there. The owner is a different cat.

[Anonymous No.4756102]

>>4755960
>the best art teachers are almost never the best artists
They don't have to be the best artists. They just have to be good.

[Anonymous No.4756279]

>>4755969
redline it

[Anonymous No.4756290]

>>4755622
>>4755649
>>4755728
>>4755965
pyw

[Anonymous No.4756303]

>>4756290
Why?

[Anonymous No.4756304]

>>4755622
>crabs crabbing on someone whose art looks better than anything they will ever create in their lives
never change, /ic/els. less competition for me

[Anonymous No.4756309]

>>4756304
>better than anything they will every create in their lives
lmao

[Anonymous No.4756310]

>>4756303
So we can laugh at your beg scribbles which are miles worth than op pic

[Anonymous No.4756318]

>>4756310
>Bad artists can't recognize bad art.

[Anonymous No.4756323]

>>4756304
Well, if by that you mean that most of IC won't be able to pull off a half baked, wonky fantasy illustration, then you are probably right. But that's not much merit to him either.

[Anonymous No.4756325]

>>4755622
Those hands suck

[Anonymous No.4756326]

>>4756304
His art is dogshit. If what you're saying is true, people actually should give up.

[Anonymous No.4756358]

This one's from 3 years ago. Maybe he has improved since then but this is really bad.

[Anonymous No.4756364]

>>4756358
pyw

[Anonymous No.4756366]

>>4756318
Pyw. His work is better than 99% of /ic/

[Anonymous No.4756371]

>>4755728
>>4755969
redline it then

[Anonymous No.4756378]

Imagine taking drawing lessons from a guy who can't draw.

[Anonymous No.4756380]

>>4756378
Yeah can't imaging taking lessons from you

[Anonymous No.4756391]

>>4756310
>>4756366
>>4756380
Pretty sure this is the drawabox guy. No one is autistic enough to defend art this bad.

[Anonymous No.4756403]

>>4756391
pyw

[Anonymous No.4756405]

>>4756403
Post your recent work, Irshad. Time to prove you're not a shitty artist anymore.

[Anonymous No.4756410]

>>4756405
I didn't even know his name or like his art very much, I just recognize that he can draw which is more than can be said about you

[Anonymous No.4756412]

>>4756410
Sure thing, Irshad.

[Anonymous No.4756418]

>>4756412
Cope.

[Anonymous No.4756421]

>>4756358
LMAO the red arm wrestling hand. Oh no no no no

[Anonymous No.4756432]

>>4756358
He's a software engineer by training and I feel like this picture somehow expresses that.

[Anonymous No.4756436]

>>4756432
True, true. Everyone has a bored and distrustful expression. Literally none of his characters seem lively.

[Anonymous No.4756506]

>>4755646
i fucking love bayformers so this is fucking amazing to me i love your work anon unironically

[Anonymous No.4756533]

>>4756506
Irshad, I hope I become known by my art one day, so I can have my brand on google alerts on IC so I can hop in and autistically defend myself when I get called a hack. That's living the dream.

[Anonymous No.4756536]

I have no idea about anatomy but just doin a quick shit in /ic/‘s toilet, thanks.

[Anonymous No.4756549]

Who is the king of shitty artists turned art instructors? Irshad is terrible but my vote goes to Kimon Nicolaides.

[Anonymous No.4756807]

>>4756279
>>4756371
I might tomorrow, but not right now.

>>4756102
No they don't. This is a fallacious way of thinking and will only serve to limit your growth. It is very important that you abandon this mentality if you want to learn.

[Anonymous No.4756835]

>>4756807
What a dumb crab you think that Einstein self taught or something?
Or do you think that teachers are always the best? But the student can never be better, so it's all downhill from the best teacher ever back when the earth was born?
Dumb retarded ass

[Anonymous No.4756936]

>>4756835
What the fuck are you talking about, you spastic?

[Anonymous No.4757000]

>>4755622
Well Vilppu is barely above /beg/ but everyone on ic sucks his dick, so I don't see the problem

[Anonymous No.4757047]

>the perspective is off
>redline it then
>I might tomorrow lol
It literally takes a couple mins you lazzy faggot Dunning Kruger crabs

[Anonymous No.4757049]

>>4757000
This shitpost are boring dude, please find something else to do with your time, and have a (you).

[Anonymous No.4757059]

>>4756290
>>4756303
two cowards

[Anonymous No.4757123]

>>4757047
And if I feel like spending a couple of minutes on it, I will do so.
And it's "lazy".

[Anonymous No.4757139]

>>4757123
>resorting to correcting spelling mistakes
Oh no no

[Anonymous No.4757150]

>>4756536
Nice

[Anonymous No.4757165]

>>4757139
If you make a typo while insinuating that someone else is stupid, then you're damn right you'll be mocked for it.
And since you bitched about it, I'll mock your lack of punctuation too:
You need a comma before 'you' and a period at the end of your sentence. Dunning-Kruger is also supposed to be hyphenated.

On top of that shit, you called me a crab despite the fact that I was telling the OP not to disregard good advice just because it didn't come from a skilled artist. It's pretty clear that you're just a moron all around.

[Anonymous No.4757214]

>>4757165
I didn't post >>4757047, you absolute schizoid.

[Anonymous No.4757220]

>>4757214
Then why did you reply, you retard?
And what difference would that make anyway?

[Anonymous No.4757224]

>>4757220
Because resorting to correcting someone on their spelling or grammar is a pathetic way to try and steer the conversation away from the fact that someone called you out on your obvious inability to redline.

[Anonymous No.4757227]

>>4757224
If you call someone stupid while making a typo, you brought it on yourself. Don't start shit and there won't be shit.
I have already responded to the other claim as well, so once again I will call you a retard.

[Anonymous No.4757293]

>>4757227
Your art is garbage, Irshad. Go away.

[Anonymous No.4757347]

>>4757293
Who the fuck is Irshad? Paranoid retard.

[Anonymous No.4757640]

>>4757220
redline already you massive cocksucker, you wasted a couple of mins arguing with others instead of redlining the mistake you "saw" on the pic

[Anonymous No.4757655]

Then don't use drawabox then?

[Anonymous No.4757660]

>>4757640
Fuck no. At this point I would much rather continue laughing at you. If someone actually wants to learn something, then I might be inclined to demonstrate the varying perspective planes in the image, but if it's just you being a dumb crab? Yeah nah, I'd rather call you a faggot.

[Anonymous No.4757683]

>>4757049
Okay tranny, post one finished work by Vilppu which is actually good

[Anonymous No.4757688]

>>4757660
You're won't demonstrate anything because you're a low /beg/ who can't draw, admit it and stop dancing around coming up with excuses like a cowardly bitch

[Anonymous No.4757694]

>>4757688
Irshad can't draw either so they have that in common.

[Anonymous No.4757695]

>>4757694
pyw

[Anonymous No.4757696]

thanks "i can redline but i won't"-schizo for making my day. you've actually got to be a retard or a troll.

[Anonymous No.4757697]

>>4757688
Nah you're a cunt, I'm not doing a damn thing that you demand.
You are a moronic crab that actively lowers the quality of the board. Kill yourself and improve the lives of everyone here on /ic/.

[Anonymous No.4757700]

>>4757696
I was fully planning on redlining it today, but since you retards sperged out, I can't be assed.
Enjoy your insults, faggot.

[Anonymous No.4757705]

>>4757700
>i was definitively gonna redline it (i wasn't), but you guys were mean to me!!!!

[Anonymous No.4757711]

Irshad is back to defend his shitty artwork.

[Anonymous No.4757714]

>>4757697
You are a spiteful permabeg who can't draw and only shit on actual artists who mog you in every way, it's subhumans like you who ruin the board's image.

[Anonymous No.4757718]

>>4757714
Irshad isn't an actual artist.

[Anonymous No.4757719]

>>4757705
Mean? lolno
You are autistic crabs, so I'm not helping you do shit. If you want to act like this, you can look at the image and figure it out yourself.

[Anonymous No.4757720]

>>4757718
Compared to him he is

[Anonymous No.4757725]

>>4757719
*Yawns*

[Anonymous No.4757726]

>>4757720
Irshad is a permabeg self-proclaimed "artist" so he's even worse.

[Anonymous No.4757727]

>>4757726
Cope and pyw

[Anonymous No.4757731]

>>4757719
The /beg/tard is sperging out, kek.

[Anonymous No.4757732]

>>4757714
Do you have any idea what my position in this thread is, you retard? How do you think I responded to the OP?

>and only shit on actual artists
Who did I shit on? All I said was that the perspective was off in one image, and I wasn't even the first to point this out.

>>4757718
>>4757726
No really, who the fuck is Ishrad?

[Anonymous No.4757733]

>>4757719
keep posting

[Anonymous No.4757734]

>>4757731
I know, that's what I've been mocking you for.

[Anonymous No.4757738]

>>4757734
>no u

[Anonymous No.4757742]

>>4757733
What, are you a fanboy or something?

[Anonymous No.4757744]

>>4757738
Yes, it was very silly of you to repeat the very same thing I had already accused you of. Well done.

[Anonymous No.4757751]

>>4757744
>no u
>again

[Anonymous No.4757761]

>>4757751
Are you only capable of repeating things someone smarter already said?

[Anonymous No.4757777]

>>4757732
Irshad is the shitty "artist" who runs drawabox.

[Anonymous No.4757782]

>>4757761
>he’s still going

[Anonymous No.4757794]

>>4757761
>someone smarter

[Anonymous No.4757804]

>>4757777
As in the same guy that made the OP image? lmao, why the fuck was I accused of being him while critiquing the OP image?

>>4757782
I thought you wanted me to keep going? Make up your mind.

>>4757794
Which word was difficult for you?

[Anonymous No.4757818]

>no I won't do one shitty redline because the person telling me to is a crab who "actively lowers the quality of the board"
>much better if we all just fling shit at each other for hours and not post any work at all

[Anonymous No.4757823]

>>4757818
Trying to educate a dumb crab would be fruitless.
Making fun of a dumb crab is at least entertaining.

[Anonymous No.4757825]

>>4757823
God I hope you are the "I won't redline"-fag. The utter lack of self-awareness would be hilarious.

[Anonymous No.4757830]

>>4757804
>Which word was difficult for you?
Ah, sorry, I forgot your type of people have difficulties picking up social cues and implications. Let me spell it out for you: You're a retard.

[Anonymous No.4757834]

>>4757825
You're not very bright, are you?

>>4757830
Are you only capable of repeating things someone smarter already said?

[Anonymous No.4757837]

>>4757804
>I thought you wanted me to keep going? Make up your mind.
no, that was me. schizo.

[Anonymous No.4757841]

>>4757837
I can't tell you retards apart, it's all just a big homogeneous pool of chromosomes.

[Anonymous No.4757845]

>>4757823
The only way "pyw" shitters lower the quality of the board is by making it so that people like you don't post their work and act like that somehow proves a point, when anyone with half a brain cell would realize that actually DOING the thing the crab says you can't do is HOW you make fun of them.

[Anonymous No.4757847]

Well he's better than me, but his paints have something off which i can't really tell, maybe the values and edges are not coherent.

I'd say he's a really impressive amateur and could score a job doing art in some generic android RPG or something.

[Anonymous No.4757852]

>>4757834
>Spergs out when called out on their bs
>could have made a redline by now, but is too busy seething
>also a /beg/tard
Wow

[Anonymous No.4757854]

>>4757845
>by making it so that people like you don't post their work and act like that somehow proves a point
What the fuck are you talking about? I've never done this or threatened to do this. I do not employ appeal to authority in arguments, because I am not a retard.

>actually DOING the thing the crab says you can't do is HOW you make fun of them.
That is quite possibly the dumbest thing said ITT yet.

>>4757852
>called out on their bs
What BS?

>could have made a redline by now
Yes, and I chose not to.

>also a /beg/tard
Is this supposed to goad me into posting the redline or something? Try a different approach.

[Anonymous No.4757865]

>>4757854
What the fuck does appeal to authority have to do with what I said? I said nothing about you threatening to do anything either.

>That is quite possibly the dumbest thing said ITT yet.
Explain how. Literally anything is better than going "nuh-uh" back and forth for ages like every other shitposter.

[Anonymous No.4757868]

>>4757854
>I do not employ appeal to authority in arguments, because I am not a retard.
>Ad hominem is okay though

[Anonymous No.4757878]

>>4757865
>I said nothing about you threatening to do anything either.
You said:
>by making it so that people like you don't post their work and act like that somehow proves a point
This indicates that you believe that I would be inclined to post post my work to try to prove a point, which would constitute an appeal to authority.

>Explain how.
When a crab posts "pyw", they are baiting you to do that so that they can attack you for whatever you post.
Anytime someone takes the bait and posts their work, the crab will find some flaw to point to point to (big or small, objective or subjective) and will just hone in on that instead of addressing the argument.
It is an enormous waste of time and it is precisely what they want.

>Literally anything is better than going "nuh-uh" back and forth for ages
No, it isn't, because mocking them is at least entertaining. Falling for bait is not.

>>4757868
An insult is not an ad hominem. I'm not saying your arguments are wrong because you're a downie, I'm saying your arguments are wrong AND you're a downie.

[Anonymous No.4757891]

So just started draw a box dudes. Pretty pumped. What’s everyone’s thoughts?

[Anonymous No.4757933]

>>4757878
You "take the bait" (who fucking cares?), the crab tries to nitpick you... and then what? You can just go on "mocking" them in that case, because you've made it even more obvious that they're a retard, and now something actually worthwhile has been posted. How is it a victory for the crab that, instead of letting them go on and on about how you "didn't do it well," you let them go on and on about how you "won't do it"? Either way it's a shitposting spree.

>No, it isn't
So you admit that this whole reply chain is tantamount to going "nuh-uh" over and over. Wow how entertaining. This thread is so much better this way. I can't think of anything more banal and insignificant than a troll trying to goad you into doing something, except pointlessly gloating about how you totally aren't taking their bait.

[Anonymous No.4757953]

>>4757933
>You can just go on "mocking" them
Or I could just mock them the whole time, saving me the trouble and frustrating them because I didn't take the bait.

>So you admit that this whole reply chain is tantamount to going "nuh-uh" over and over
That is not what I said. You said "anything is better than going nuh-uh", I pointed out that taking bait is not better. I alternate between picking someone's words apart and being dismissive of them, dependant on which one will amuse me more.

>gloating about how you totally aren't taking their bait.
And where did I do that? I have mocked them, and I have stated that I won't take the bait. Never did I 'gloat' about not taking the bait.

Additionally, what is the purpose of your interjection here? You are bickering about bickering.

[Anonymous No.4757964]

imagine sperging out like this in a thread for 24 hours

[Anonymous No.4757975]

>>4757964
Imagine repeatedly dropping out of the reply chain to make these passive aggressive posts about this argument while pretending you're above it.

[Anonymous No.4757992]

>>4757953
It is my mistake. I could not wrap my mind around someone entertaining themselves with something so mindless, so I rationalized it as someone who thinks they're better acting like a hypocrite. Now that I understand that you really are just entertaining yourself by shitposting against another shitposter, I am embarrassed to have gotten angry. Have fun.

[Anonymous No.4757994]

>>4757992
Cheers.

[Anonymous No.4758010]

>>4757992
It’s went from a cope to literal autism, because some retard got pissy for being called some mean words, and gotten over defensive through out the rest of the thread. And it all started from a bloody redline.

[Anonymous No.4758014]

>>4757777
Wait what? Is that the guy that tries to teach perspective with boxes?

[Anonymous No.4758015]

>>4758010
No, it all started from one comment about the perspective being off. Then you retards sperged out about that comment, and then sperged out some more when I said I might make the redline later.

[Anonymous No.4758112]

>>4758014
/beg/ here, are the lines supposed to converge at a uniform point?

[Anonymous No.4758116]

>>4757964
I come to /ic/ just to shitpost. Go to plebbit if you want serious discussion.

[Anonymous No.4758196]

who cares, drawabox is just peter han lessons for free

[Anonymous No.4758202]

>>4758014
your lines are wrong anon

[Anonymous No.4758236]

>>4758202
redline the red lines or gtfo

[Anonymous No.4758243]

>>4758014
>every building and roadway in the world is built parallel to each other
>every road in the world sharply turns at 90 degrees

[Anonymous No.4758281]

His work isn't that good but this just proves how shit /ic/ is since we're over a 100 posts in and not even one person could do a paintover or properly redline it. It's just vague criticisms about something being "off" and never any specifics just like all the other threads. So even though the guy is shit, he's better than %99.99 of /ic/.

[Anonymous No.4758298]

>>4758281
I think it boils down to "He's a good draftman, but not a good artist."

[Anonymous No.4758314]

>>4758298
Yeah I agree and it makes sense since that's what he learned from Peter Han and that's mainly what he teaches. The Transformers drawing looks way better than any of the paintings.

[Anonymous No.4758330]

>>4758281
>or properly redline it
Nice qualifier there, you fucking weasel.

>just vague criticisms about something being "off" and never any specifics
See:
>Break the image down into perspective planes and you can see that it doesn't line up. Look at the shelf on the left, and the pot on the right in particular.
How much more specific do I need to be?

[Anonymous No.4758332]

Wait no one has redlined this yet?
Do you...do you want me to redline it?
I can take a quick break and redline it if it's something people think will be helpful and not just a thing people are yelling at each other to talk shit.

The fundamentals on drawabox are solid and you'll learn from them if you're a beginner but Irshad is definitely better at sketching than he is at paintings like these. This looks more like a quick compositional sketch than like a finished piece, and I think that's all it is.

[Anonymous No.4758349]

>>4758332
Someone has redlined one of his paintings ITT, but "t-that doesn't count".

>and not just a thing people are yelling at each other to talk shit.
That is exactly it.
You can if you want, but I wouldn't recommend it. People ITT have no intention of arguing in good faith, so it doesn't matter how good of a job you do.

[Anonymous No.4758360]

>>4755622
He fucked up the light so much that my light redline looks fucking autistic

[Anonymous No.4758367]

>>4758360
Fuck paint cropped my lower redline. It says "Light gradient why is here if the light source is to the right? (look at woman's shadow)"

[Anonymous No.4758372]

>>4758349
yeah I was pretty sure, thanks

[Anonymous No.4758381]

>>4758360
And before anyone says "It's double light source" Then the back of the dress and the bricks in front should have a lot more light on them.

[Anonymous No.4758387]

You guys are going to confuse beginners. Not all lines in the drawing have to conform to some uniform point. Only lines to the same vanishing points, essentially the same planes of a form going back into distance. You can have any number of vanishing points in a drawing.

This entire discussion is for people who never learned basic logic fallacies.

Let me spell it out. Someone can know something (eg rules and facts) without being good at it. Someone could even teach the principle of a subset of skills (perspective) and not be a great painter because, while the skills overlap to some degree, they are not all the same. All of this should be obvious to anyone with two brain cells. The opposite is also true, you could be a shit painter and a shit perspective teacher and shit drawer/drafts person.

So really, what you absolute idiotic, brain dead retards should be arguing about is the content of the course and whether it adequately informs and prepares its students to achieve the goals in the curriculum.

If it doesn’t, then fuck draw a box. If it does - then Draw a Box is a success.

Ive never witnessed such a moronic discussion between to absolute wastes of space. Pull your fucking shit together and draw. You both should’ve been tossed out on tissues from your father after a bad jerk session.

[Anonymous No.4758427]

>>4758387
>Someone can know something (eg rules and facts) without being good at it.
I said this from the very beginning. But then I saw someone say the perspective in the OP image was fine, and I explained how it was not. Never once did I imply that this meant people should not use Draw a Box to learn perspective, but the anons in this thread flipped their shit anyway.

[Anonymous No.4758515]

>>4758427
Not him but the perspective is ok. The real issue is how confused the lighting is (as another anon pointed it out).

[Anonymous No.4758539]

>>4758330
Retard

[Anonymous No.4758548]

>>4758515
The perspective is not okay, again, look at the wooden structure on the left and the pot of the right.

>>4758539
Cool argument, weasel.

[Anonymous No.4758549]

Lmao

[Anonymous No.4758550]

>>4758515
>perspective is ok
t. blind

[Anonymous No.4758579]

>>4758549
In short, the real money is in selling the shovels.

[Anonymous No.4758613]

>>4758548
>>4758550
Redline it

[Anonymous No.4758619]

>>4758579
Based and Gold Rush pilled

[Anonymous No.4758648]

>>4758613
Here's the most obvious and easiest to point out.
The windows are made of parallel lines with zero vanishing point.
Either the perspective is wrong, which it is,
or we are too dumb to see that the window is actually made from uneven rectangle instead of a uniform rectangle.

[Anonymous No.4759892]

>>4755622
Eveeything is so flat

[Anonymous No.4759901]

>>4758579
That or the smut
Dunno what the analogy is tho. Maybe teaching is shovels and smut is straight up painting iron ingots gold and selling them

[Anonymous No.4759951]

>>4755646
Back is heavy

[Anonymous No.4761072]

>>4758014
His perspective dosent bother me as much as his figures and animals.

[Anonymous No.4761237]

>>4755622
most of the art teachers are mediocre artists.

[Anonymous No.4761383]

>>4755960
>You don't need to be skilled in a topic to teach it
This is such a retarded statement. Of course you need to be skilled in a topic to be able to teach it. How are you going to teach calculus without understanding math? Don't be a fucking moron.
Also you don't need to be the best, but you need to be good.

[Anonymous No.4761452]

>>4761383
Dunning-Kruger dunce.
Knowledge is necessary for skill, not the other way around.

[Anonymous No.4761484]

>>4761452
Stop muttering words you don't understand.

Skill is not necessary for knowledge when the executive part of an activity (skill) is separate from the theoretical aspect of it (knowledge). For example, I am very skillful at spinning a pencil with my fingers but have very little knowledge on the activity and the bio-mechanics involved. Likewise, someone might be very knowledgeable about pen spinning but not be able to actually execute it due to lack of motor coordination. Sports fall into this category and is why you have things such as coaches.

On the other hand, you have activities where there is very little separation (if at all) from the executive and theoretical aspects of it. Math is the most extreme example where being skillful at math is the same as being theoretically proficient at it. Art falls in this category. Cooking does as well. You wouldn't learn how to cook from a chef that only makes shitty food, just like you shouldn't learn how to draw from an artist that can only make shitty drawings.

Do not confuse this as me saying that someone who is good at art is immediately a good teacher at it, because teaching is an additional skill that you develop on top of your understanding of the subject. But you need to have that underlying understanding. Good artists have the understanding regardless of their ability to articulate it, while bad artists don't and whatever their articulation skills are won't matter.

[Anonymous No.4761488]

>>4758236
>redline the red lines
only if you redline the redline redlines

[Anonymous No.4761495]

>>4757719
where's the space between "lol" and "no"? And where is the period after that sentence?

[Anonymous No.4761557]

>>4761452

The dunning kreuger study was actually poorly executed in an academic sense.

[Anonymous No.4762111]

>>4761484
>Stop muttering words you don't understand.
Which word do you think I don't understand, retard?

>Skill is not necessary for knowledge when the executive part of an activity (skill) is separate from the theoretical aspect of it (knowledge).
Correct.

>Math is the most extreme example where being skillful at math is the same as being theoretically proficient at it. Art falls in this category.
Incorrect. There is a wide gulf between the technical execution of art and the theoretical understanding of it. Art is much, much more comparable to sport than math in this regard.

>Cooking does as well. You wouldn't learn how to cook from a chef that only makes shitty food
This is also incorrect. While it is to a much lesser extent than drawing and football, cooking does require a sizeable amount of physical skill to be done well. I shouldn't need to explain that physical skill is not acquired through theoretical understanding alone.

>But you need to have that underlying understanding
UNDERSTANDING, not skill.

>Good artists have the understanding regardless of their ability to articulate it
This is correct.

>while bad artists don't
This is fallacious.

>>4761495
You tried.

[Anonymous No.4762155]

>he's still here

[Anonymous No.4762159]

>>4762155
You mean "here again". Nobody just keeps an /ic/ thread up for its whole duration, the board moves much too slowly for that.

[Anonymous No.4762172]

>>4762159
>Nobody just keeps an /ic/ thread up for its whole duration
At this point, you doing just that wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.

[Anonymous No.4762191]

>>4762172
And you?

[Anonymous No.4762196]

>>4758613
Retarded crab get BTFO so hard

[Anonymous No.4762221]

>>4762196
Are you just popping in to this thread for the first time or are you just pretending you are?

[Anonymous No.4762228]

>>4762221
>changing subject
crabs get BTFO so hard he went full retarded.

[Anonymous No.4762231]

>>4762228
Nice dodge.

[Anonymous No.4762242]

>>4762231
I don't think getting called out for changing subject is a nice dodge.
I was joking, but...
A-Are you really retarded?

[Anonymous No.4762244]

>>4762242
Are you just popping in to this thread for the first time or are you just pretending you are?

[Anonymous No.4762251]

>>4762244
And now the dumb crab became a broken record machine.
Amazing.

[Anonymous No.4762256]

>>4762251
A "broken record machine"? lmfao

[Anonymous No.4762271]

i hereby declare this thread cringe and yikes, and possibly oof

[Anonymous No.4762295]

>>4762271
Agreed, minus the zoomer speak.

[Anonymous No.4762676]

>>4755622
considering it's a scam and he paid money to people to advertise it when he first started his scam, that's a good thing you don't take it seriously

[Anonymous No.4762682]

But cubes are so simple, basically impossible to fuck up perspective with them.

[Anonymous No.4762688]

>>4762676
>literally free
>scam
How can one nigga be so retarded

[Anonymous No.4762755]

>>4762271
You are too pure to be on this board anon. Leave and take all the resources you can :<

[Anonymous No.4763516]

>>4756432
For me its that nothing really feels connected, its like the characters were drawn in a vacuum then put into the scene.

[Anonymous No.4763563]

>>4762688
>Get Famous
>Either make money from advertisements or patreon or even donations
How can you be so retarded?
Honestly,
do you think that free to play games are really FREE??
That the companies are doing charity and let you poor fuckers play games for FREE????
You single cell brain dumb sea monkey!!

[Anonymous No.4764419]

>>4755622
Why does it look so.. Noodely?

[Anonymous No.4764425]

>>4757683
i hope this is bait or humans cant be saved.

[Anonymous No.4764455]

>>4764425
post it

[Anonymous No.4764496]

This actually wins for dumbest thread ever. It’s a free course.

[Anonymous No.4764517]

>>4755622
i don't care about drawabox or whatever but is this cherrypicked or old work or something? there is not a single properly placed object or box in that entire drawing.

[Anonymous No.4764756]

>>4764496
>dude eat shit, it is literally free

[Anonymous No.4764779]

>>4764517
yeah, it's a cherrypicked old turd. i mean the guy's not a craig mullins or whatever but he's at least mediocre. his artstation is https://www.artstation.com/irshad0karim, you can decide for yourself.