You’ll never make it if you aren’t creative

[Anonymous No.4753341]

Butch Hartman is proof that you don’t need to draw well to make it in the industry, you just need to have interesting ideas. All the Loomis heads in the world mean nothing if you can’t be creative. Not to say fundamentals aren’t important, but ask yourself: when’s the last time you actually expressed yourself artistically? Are you just drawing boxes, or are you actually making something?

[Anonymous No.4753348]

>>4753341
his ideas are shit and had to be fixed and well designed by others in the team. he got in because it was a different time back then nowdays you have no chance to enter the industry with just your ~*ideas*~

[Anonymous No.4753401]

>>4753341
He draws better than 85% of /ic/

[Anonymous No.4753403]

>>4753341
soulless

[Anonymous No.4753409]

Another Eceleb thread

[Anonymous No.4753415]

>>4753409
Butch Hartman, creator of hit award-winning shows like Fairly Odd Parents and Danny Phantom, is not a "E-celeb". Please escort yourself from this thread before you embarrass yourself even further, zoomer.

[Anonymous No.4753417]

>>4753409
>imagine being this retarded

[Anonymous No.4753422]

>>4753348
I assumed he got in due to nepotism.

[Anonymous No.4753452]

Did anyone else think that the recent #my200vsbutch200 trending hashtag was kinda petty? People couldn't imagine why their generic furry and "tumblr style" art couldn't get as much money compared to a famous artist with name recognition. People probably commission him not because of his skills but because his toons were apart of their childhoods and gives them nostalgia.

One of the most important things I noticed when it comes to art commissions is that your art is only worth what people are willing to pay. That's why a lot of shitty fetish artists can make a lot of money too.

>>4753348
I remember Danny Phantom had to be given a different design by a better artist

>>4753341
His traditional art seems a little bit better.

[Anonymous No.4753459]

>>4753452
Oh definitely his traditional work is better, but people expected his artwork to look like this. Considering he was an industry artist for over 20 years. I doubt nostalgia will excuse that dog shit.

[Anonymous No.4753462]

>creative

[Anonymous No.4753463]

someone post the jesus painting

[Anonymous No.4753581]

>>4753459
He would probably do better using sketchbook pro or CSP since it preinstalled comes with more traditional looking brushes. He's a good example of a traditional artist's cringe transition to digital. Reminds me of early 2000s digital art

>Considering he was an industry artist for over 20 years. I doubt nostalgia will excuse that dog shit.

It doesn't but people are willing to pay to have Butch draw their favorite characters in the style of their childhood cartoons that gives them nostalgia for when life was simpler and the world was less insane ;_; Pic related which was done by another artist looks a lot better though

[Anonymous No.4753620]

>>4753463

[Anonymous No.4753631]

>>4753620
That's the guy from the Son of God (2014) movie. TOP KEK.

[Anonymous No.4753633]

>>4753631
creative

[Anonymous No.4754076]

>>4753341
you just need to know the right people.

[Anonymous No.4754081]

>>4753341
he wants suck from that drawing, i know for sure he does

[Anonymous No.4754430]

>>4753620
he’s peak dunningkruger

[Anonymous No.4754459]

>>4753620
Way better than anyone here

[Anonymous No.4754461]

>>4753620
Jesus...

[Anonymous No.4754481]

>>4753401
What an achievement

[Anonymous No.4754524]

>>4753341
Wrong. You can't make it if you ARE creative.
Normies despise anything they can't label.
They hate it that they have to think about what they're looking at. That's why the most successful e-artists draw the same thing over and over.
>you don’t need to draw well to make it in the industry
Yes
>you just need to have interesting ideas
No.
Staying on animated children's shows topic;
You just need a product that is decent enough, that can be produced fast and relatively cheap with the hope that kids will watch it.
And kids will pretty much watch anything.
And then you turn to merchandise because that's the purpose of 99% of cartoons.
If merch doesn't sell and the overall ratings are low, the show doesn't get another season.
It mostly comes down to mostly luck or the shows writing, airing time etc with these things but;
Appeal isn't creativity. Creativity doesn't (mass)appeal.
Making the nth robot people or person with superpowers or talking animal in a sitcom/slice of life setting hasn't been creative for 50 years.

The only good cartoon show i remember is Samurai Jack.
>>4753452
>but because his toons were apart of their childhoods and gives them nostalgia.
> your art is only worth what people are willing to pay
This.
There is no creativity in making bland fanart and there is no creativity in doing the same work over and over.
Of course, you can't really blame those people for trying to cash in on their past success or current fame. Everything's about money, anyway.

[Anonymous No.4754545]

>>4754524
>thinking the guy on the right is based
16 years old
>understanding the guy on the left is based
SUCC

[Anonymous No.4754565]

>>4754545
Are you retarded?

[Anonymous No.4754937]

>>4753341
I hated everything he ever worked on so I don't see the appeal or what the big deal is.

[Anonymous No.4754955]

>>4753620
how? i mean his art style isnt interesting, but it aint bad. This is baaad

[Anonymous No.4754972]

>>4754565
said the bug to the man

[Anonymous No.4755009]

can i make it anons

[Anonymous No.4755027]

>>4755009
it looks good but idk it looks sideways

[Anonymous No.4755078]

>>4754545
Neither are "based" its depressing all around

[Anonymous No.4755189]

>>4754524
>Wrong. You can't make it if you ARE creative.
I wouldn't say it like that but finding my 'voice' made me feel really isolated.
I started off as a low-key horny cute OC Twitter style artist to something else entirely over the years. I did worse and worse while I got objectively better and felt more and more attrition and like I didn't belong with social media and the people on it until I dropped out. I feel really depressed about my art now. This is who I really am and I love making art like this, but at the same time I feel weirder posting my art around that I would be if it were weird fetish porn. I feel like I don't belong anywhere.

[Anonymous No.4755238]

>>4753620
Draw with jazza vibes.

I’ve noticed a trend. Typically Japanese animators are real artist. Whereas majority of American ones are hacks.

[Anonymous No.4755246]

>>4755238
Isn't jazza an abo

[Anonymous No.4755303]

>>4755189
Yeah, nice blogpost for basically saying exactly
>You can't make it if you're creative
but with more words.

[Anonymous No.4755316]

you have to dream to imagine

[Anonymous No.4755332]

>>4755303
I meant to say that maybe it depends on what your "creative" art looks like and how people perceive it, in my specific case it didn't go well but it could be just me.
There are people who are creative and unique and also wildly popular, off the top of my head Natalie Hall who is one of my favorite artists.

[Anonymous No.4755351]

>>4755332
No, it doesn't.
>Natalie Hall
A google search just gives the same drawing but somewhat different. Not creative. Just pretentious.
Wildly popular because there is a niche she's pandering to and it's either autistic people or most probably females who are into paranormal things like ghosts or whatever.

[Anonymous No.4755684]

>>4755351
You would probably make excuses for any example but one thing I overlooked is that all these artists already had a presence before the social media flood happened. I don't now if my hypothesis is true today. I'd just rather blame myself.

[Anonymous No.4755775]

>>4755684
>You would probably make up excuses
>I'd just rather blame myself
Heavily implying there, Anon.
Pic related is creative. i dont even know where it is from but
In this case, it takes a monster and re-designs it to fit into human form.
It has thematic, it has purpose, it has style and it's not pretending to be 2deep4u overpriced bullshit attached to some hollywood celebrity
this picture is creative >>4755303
because someone took the time to set it up like that for reactionary purposes
there is effort into conveying something
even fucking pepe memes are more creative than that pretentious schizodrawings.
>already had a presence before the social media
Ye, you figured it out, Sherlock.
Art was always a closed circle and if you wanted big bucks you had to set your foot in the door and talk to the right people and then you could even sell feces in a can because your name(brand) is attached to it.
Now it's not so different.

Get your head out of your ass.

[Anonymous No.4756091]

>>4755775
>i dont even know where it is from
Concept art for Juken Sentai Gekiranger

[Anonymous No.4756095]

>>4755775
>>4756091
Perhaps I should've mentioned: better known as Power Rangers Jungle Fury

[Anonymous No.4756551]

>>4754459
so i guess music critics can't critique music because they don't compose symphonies?

[Anonymous No.4756609]

>>4755351
>the same drawing but somewhat different.
ok thats my cue to stop browsing this hellhole

[Anonymous No.4756655]

He’s a CalArts Alumni so you bet he could draw well if he wants to. His style is what he’s known for and quick doodles in that style is what people who follow him want to see.

[Anonymous No.4756718]

>>4756551
kek

[Anonymous No.4756862]

>>4756551
Yes

[Anonymous No.4756864]

>>4753462
Begtard

[Anonymous No.4756867]

>>4756862
explain

[Anonymous No.4756872]

I think you can make it if you're creative, cus lots of people do. You just cant be riggid. For example you have to compensate and create something that will be interesting to a large audience, but also appeals to you. So its just learning to play within the game. Now you can always have side projects and things that are more off the wall creative and less appealing to masses. Just don't be a salty bitch and try to capture the audience and think about their needs as well.

[Anonymous No.4756917]

>>4756091
>>4756095
Thank, Anon.
>>4756609
>Because the end product looks slightly different it must be totally different and creative
Nice observation skills, retard.
>he doesn't see the raw shapes
Take the other pretentious normies like you with when you're leaving

[Anonymous No.4757079]

>>4756867
critique makes delusional retards feel bad
only praise should be allowed or only someone who is better than them should critique them in the hopes than they will be spoonfed the secret to magically improve

[Anonymous No.4757087]

>>4757079
fair enough, usually cunts just say unga bunga stuff when i ask simple stuff like that. Thanks

[Anonymous No.4758072]

>>4756551
>>4756862
>>4756718
I DON'T HAVE TO BE A CHEF TO KNOW IF SOMETHING TASTES LIKE SHIT!!

[Anonymous No.4758105]

>>4753341
>Westacuck "art"
OH NO NO NO HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

[Anonymous No.4758107]

>>4758072
First of all taste is subjective and using that as a basis for critique is retarded, second the chef analogy only works if you know what the fuck you’re talking about and explain why this certain product is bad or how it can improve objectively. Allowing any idiot to give their uneducated opinions out there is a bad idea and shouldn’t be glorified.

[Anonymous No.4758220]

>>4758107
Even when people will not tell you directly, a piece of shit is a piece of shit.
No amount of daddy's money for academy courses will fix that

[Anonymous No.4758270]

>>4758220
You shouldn’t leave your containment
https://www.reddit.com/r/mendrawingwomen/

[Anonymous No.4758297]

>>4758270
You should gtfo my board

[Anonymous No.4758384]

>>4758270
>https://www.reddit.com/r/mendrawingwomen/
I didn't really understand that subreddit....

[Anonymous No.4758397]

>>4753341
>Butch Hartman is proof that you don’t need to draw well to make it in the industry, you just need to have interesting ideas

Butch cut his teeth doing storyboard and character concept work before he ever got an opportunity to pitch his cartoon anywhere. A lot of artists could be in the same position should they be willing to do grunt work and heavy lifting. Butch isn't a bad artist, and he's smart enough for a Network to accept at least 4 original pitches regardless of how unique or interesting the ideas are, and had a cartoon that's one of the networks single most popular properties (albeit not Spongebob tier). He's a shitty guy and can get away charging hundreds for drawings that take him less than an hour to complete. High school kids on Twitter can dunk on him for drawing >>4753620 >>4753462 all day, but none of them are close to the status he's attained, and a lot of the artists on that hashtag won't gain a hundredth of his notoriety.

[Anonymous No.4758490]

>>4758220
If you make this argument then you have to agree that classical music is shit, jazz is shit, etc. and also that Sakimichan and Ilya are the best artists ever, because you are giving authority to what the normies think. Believe it or not, normies think that classical music is boring/kitsch and jazz that is slightly more technical than Louis Armstrong (also boring except for that Fallout son) is "random noises".
I've had normies tell me that Sargent, John Singer Sargent, is a "terrible painter" because the paintings look unfinished. The same people would hang fashion magazine tier photos on their walls.
Of course nobody on /ic/ is at the absolute bottom of artistic understanding, so I doubt this case scenario applies to this board, but that lack of understanding is replaced with antagonistic faggotry, coom addiction and the thirst for social media likes, all things that in many ways acts as an even bigger handicap than not understanding shit about art.

[Anonymous No.4758803]

>>4758490
>hurr durr im retard but i think me smart
just pyw already

[Anonymous No.4758811]

>>4758803
Dilate

[Anonymous No.4758831]

>>4753341
I want to give him credit for making snowflakes mad by suggesting artists get better by drawing daily.

[Anonymous No.4759702]

>>4758490
>"if you call something for how it really is you must agree with the normies because what you say doesn't agree with me"
You sure have refined taste. Shit taste good, ye?

[Anonymous No.4759722]

>>4755238
Fucking cringe, can this board fucking dilate.

[Anonymous No.4760565]

>>4755238
>Draw with jazza vibes.

based retard

[Anonymous No.4763352]

>>4755238
>Typically Japanese animators are real artist. Whereas majority of American ones are hacks.
BASED

[Anonymous No.4763367]

>>4754524
it HAD to be an asuka shitter

[Anonymous No.4766446]

>>4753341
>Reply
Bitch Hartmans sketchbook sucks dick if that is a typical page in it. you all suck d/ic/k as a matter of fact. I hope you everyone that runs 4chan catches coronavirus and dies and 4chan goes off line forever

[Anonymous No.4766469]

>>4753415
>>4753417
Literally no one but zoomers and very late millennials know who Hartman is.

[Anonymous No.4766671]

>>4766446
>I hope you everyone that runs 4chan catches coronavirus and dies and 4chan goes off line forever
I've been hoping to die since it started
but guess i'm immortal, anon