/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.4726971]

WTF is this? I wanted to learn how to draw not become a mechanical engineer.

[Anonymous No.4726981]

>>4726971
I fell for it too when I first started learning to draw, this faggot should be sued for misleading title

[Anonymous No.4726982]

>>4726971
It's the best book for learning perspective in-depth, period.
But I do like to complement it with Framed Perspective 1 & 2 to see less 'engineery' applications.

[Anonymous No.4727007]

>>4726982
I have the first, is framed perspective 2 worth it? What exactly does the second one offer that the first doesn't? And is the Robertson meme really the best way of learning perspective?

[Anonymous No.4727030]

>>4726971
It's shit you'd learn in a basic high school drafting class. It's a great book. Your laziness doesn't make it a bad book.

[Anonymous No.4727033]

>>4727030
post your work, you fucking genius

[Anonymous No.4727050]

>>4727007
Framed Perspective 2 is even better because it covers the human figure in perspective, which I've found very few good resources on.
Both are on Libgen if you want to check it out.
And Robertson is good but highly technical, FP is better for beginners.

[Anonymous No.4727055]

>>4727050
Grazi anonazi, arrividerci, spaghetti retti

[Anonymous No.4727056]

>>4726971
>How to Draw: Drawing and Sketching Objects and Environments from Your Imagination
If I’d had this book thirty-five years ago, it would have spared me years of frustration. Scott and Thomas explain basic facts about perspective, then build from basic facts into the most complex drawings imaginable. It’s centuries-old knowledge, it’s clear, and it’s worth twenty times the price. But be warned – it’s a full course that can take months of attention. The reward is that you’ll learn all the mysteries of classic draftsmanship in a few months rather than a few decades. —mv
by Marshall Chad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MV-bJz1dcw

[Anonymous No.4727064]

>>4727033
I know high school dropouts that have a better understanding of perspective than you do apparently. You have a fixed mindset where you think failure is normal, it's really not hard. Spend time modeling in a 3D program like blender, maybe you'd understand. Otherwise you're just another npc beg asking for pyw because you can't grasp people can draw boxes and arches in perspective.

[Anonymous No.4727067]

Why does no one read the actual cover? It teaches you exactly what it says it will; how to draw objects and environments.

[Anonymous No.4727077]

>>4727067
it's literally brainlets that complain about this book, you think they bothered with the cover if they can't even read what's inside

[Anonymous No.4727127]

>>4727056
most of those books don't even have exercises

[Anonymous No.4727139]

>>4727033
Imagine thinking you need to be a genius to understand this book. What exactly are you having trouble with? Point out the page.

[Anonymous No.4727147]

>>4727127
then make your own exercises

[Anonymous No.4727160]

This book is pretty advanced and definitely makes me feel like an engineer designing blue prints.

>>4727030
Who tf has drafting classes in high school?
Must be some Asian shit

[Anonymous No.4727170]

>>4727127
https://drawabox.com/

[Anonymous No.4727171]

>>4727160
>He didn't have drafting classes

[Anonymous No.4727214]

>>4726971
is for brainlet artists that never learned math, so they can feel like they're smart
don't try to apply it irl: it's fucking useless

[Anonymous No.4727293]

>>4727171
>Nurse probably didn't even measure his dick
lmao

[Anonymous No.4727311]

>>4727293
Oh, now I see why USA is full of faggots and pedos. It starts at the school.

[Anonymous No.4727343]

>>4727160
US school, known other anons at UK and German schools with it. Maybe cause we're not zoomers.

[Anonymous No.4727347]

>>4726971
It does specifically say drawing and sketching objects and environments

[Anonymous No.4727349]

>>4727311
>his school didn't have penis inspection day
do europoors really?

[Anonymous No.4727353]

>>4727349

[Anonymous No.4727357]

>>4727343
We had it in Soviet Union too. In 7th-9th grade(s) I think. Can't remember.

[Anonymous No.4727421]

>>4726971

just wing it. if you are looking at your sketch and you think something looks off, you can use perspective rules to try to figure out how to fix it, but dont sit there and try to follow his book like an instruction manual to construct an image from scratch using tools and measurement for everything. no one does that. just draw a lot, your intuition will get pretty good, you can put a tiny dot for vanishing points and use a ruler to check your lines before you ink it if you really want to. there is no reason to have a book like that.

[Anonymous No.4727434]

>>4727349
Yes believe it or not europeans are normal people, our penises don't get fondled by strangers, or mutilated either.

[Anonymous No.4727444]

This is one of the best books for crash course in perspective and basic drawing skills. This book taught me much more than any other book that tried to teach me anything.

This book helped me master an iron wrist lock so I could do straight lines like its nothing and super quick.


I'll try to find some of the old work I did with this book give me a minute.

The second in the series is also worth picking up as it covers more of rendering. You will need a mastery of the first book to apply the second obviously.

Design Studio Press is quality material which I back.

[Anonymous No.4727472]

Erik Olson's NMA perspective course is great and very thorough. He teaches the same techniques as Robertson and more through a series of diagrams. He goes into measuring and increments a lot more but makes all the whys and hows crystal clear. You're expected to make your own records of the diagrams. Every concept and technique is explained and applied multiple times. Olson also goes into a lot of detail on camera lenses, aspect ratio, etc. Great stuff and a really likeable guy.

For example, I just did Diagram 53, on "Diminishment Guides", which I realized is what Robertson refers to as the "Brewer Method" (p.54). It's just really helpful to watch Olson make the grid and use it to build a scene.

>>4727139
>>4727056
What is meant by this ? - p.25 "5. [...] A common error is to cause a rotated object to look like it's floating above the ground or is tilted. This is caused by not matching the VPs to the same Cone of Vision."

[Anonymous No.4727497]

>>4727293
>>4727343
No qt nurses touching my dick, no drafting classes. Man my school was lame.

[Anonymous No.4727498]

>>4727472
>"A common error is to cause a rotated object to look like it's floating above the ground or is tilted. This is caused by not matching the VPs to the same Cone of Vision."
I assume the book actually means the horizon line. When your objects don't follow the horizon line then they can look like they're not grounded. The cone of vision is more of an idea to keep in mind to avoid distortion.

[Anonymous No.4727544]

>>4727160

I had drafting classes in high school.
All 3 years.

Mechanical design and Architectural design.

Public high school.

1600 kids.

Wyoming, the most rural State in the country.

The Nurse touched my dick 3 times a day.

[Anonymous No.4727552]

>>4727056
lmao who the fuck reads all this shit.
just pick up a pencil and draw it's no rocket science.

[Anonymous No.4727574]

>>4727498
That might be it, thanks.

The book has a handful of paragraphs that are not very clear. Still an awesome book.

[Anonymous No.4727617]

>>4726971
I'm now considering the thought that artists with straight line and perspective fetish, deep down inside their simple minds are just failed architects, mechanical and civil engineers who can't do math.

[Anonymous No.4727623]

>>4727617
But it's harder to be a professional artist than to be an architect/engineer

[Anonymous No.4727639]

>>4726971
Is this book the biggest casual filter in existance?

[Anonymous No.4727654]

>>4727623
Not really, you still have to pass the board exam for Civil/Mech Engineering and Archi plus at least 2 yrs apprenticeship for the latter. If working for a company, you will be assigned to areas where the industrial plants, projects or places of concern are and stay there for months or years. Supervising people and dealing with politics is also a part of the job.

[Anonymous No.4727662]

>>4727617
And that's why you can't draw.

[Anonymous No.4727663]

>>4726971
That book is the biggest meme on /ic/. It sure as hell doesn’t teach you to draw from imagination

[Anonymous No.4727679]

>>4727544
daily dick inspection was the worst

[Anonymous No.4727696]

>>4726971
To draw the human body well you must understand it to an extent.

To understand environment and machinery you must understand them to an extent.

The book is called how to draw and teaches you exactly that - regarding its subject matter mentioned RIGHT FUCKING NEXT TO THE TITLE YOU APE.

It's a set of efficient and technical techniques to draw things. It will always work cause it's based on observed math and real life phenomenons. If you do it right, it won't fail ever. That's how good it is. It does not deal in mumbo jumbo and untechnical explanations to a technical craft. So it's defacto the strongest book to learn from if you're not a fag with an industrious mindset. It only looks scary because omg so many lines and boxes. You start from one.

You fucking wish this was an engineering book, you might have actually developed some skill you brainless tard.

[Anonymous No.4727715]

>>4727497
>qt nurses
It would have been an obese nigger most likely though.

[Anonymous No.4727756]

>>4727056
That picture is out of date and the original maker updated it. Guess what he did. He removed How to Draw

>>/ic/thread/S4488049#p4488539

[Anonymous No.4727771]

>>4726971
>>4727050
Agreed

I feel like everyone only has a problem with how to draw because they haven't learnt basic perspective first. I tried to get through how to draw a while back but lost interest and gave up, so i've studying framed perspective instead and i think its the foundation i needed for how to draw.

How to draw is kinda like the intermediate to advanced level of perspective, you have to start off with the basics and build a strong foundation.

[Anonymous No.4727981]

>>4727663
That's because you don't have one

>>4727771
>How to draw is kinda like the intermediate to advanced level of perspective, you have to start off with the basics and build a strong foundation.
Not really, it starts from the fundamentals, drawing simple lines and boxes like every other perspective book out here.

[Anonymous No.4727985]

>>4727981
At the start of the persoective chapter, the book itself tells you to learn perspective from a different resource because it will only tackle the very basics. Stop crabbing.

[Anonymous No.4728005]

Scott Robertson is a hack. Why are people trying to learn to draw from someone who can't draw people? This is almost as bad as the drawabox guy.

[Anonymous No.4728032]

>>4728005
Not everyone want to draw humans

[Anonymous No.4728034]

>>4727343
BS. You were NOT taught form sketching techniques in your "drafting class".

[Anonymous No.4728036]

>>4727756
so does that mean the books from sticky are shit?

[Anonymous No.4728038]

>>4727472
There's less buy in with Olson's material though, because he's a poor draftsman and seem unable to put his techniques into practice.

[Anonymous No.4728061]

>>4727985
Perspective IS very basic.
"There are many books that cover this terminology in depth, and doing additional research is encouraged" -> This doesn't tell to learn the thing from other books, only that what he tells about it in his book can be more extensively explained (specifically for shit like secondary VPs or >= VP positioning that only mentioned)

[Anonymous No.4728063]

>>4728061
*3 >= VP ....

[Anonymous No.4728076]

>>4727756
>Hampton before Huston
What

[Anonymous No.4728084]

>>4727127
Scot has videos to go along with each chapter check the back of the book for the code to get them from his website

[Anonymous No.4728188]

>>4728038
What makes you say that? His earlier paintings show some pretty strong draftsmanship imo, not that I like them.

His paintings of Detroit houses have a lot more soul.

[Anonymous No.4728276]

>>4726971
it's an industrial design style drawing book.

[Anonymous No.4728590]

>>4727654
true, the job is difficult. But less than 1% of art students make it as an illustrator or some other professional artist. That doesn't happen with engineering or architecture. Correct me if im wrong

[Anonymous No.4728596]

>>4728076
Hampton's book is more comprehensive and lays a better foundational groundwork. Huston's shit is so esoteric and advanced, its hard to make anything of it as a complete beginner in figure drawing.

[Anonymous No.4728607]

>>4728590
>less than 1% of art students make it as an illustrator or some other professional artist
Sauce?

[Anonymous No.4728616]

>>4728590
>less than 1% of art students make it as an illustrator or some other professional artist
Most artschools are glorified daycares for rich lazy kids with 0 regards for actual industry standards

[Anonymous No.4730215]

>>4726982
>Framed Perspective 1
Is there not a scan of this because I feel like i've been looking for this pdf for years

[Anonymous No.4730221]

>>4727343
>German schools
Definitely not unless it was a mandatory school for apprenticeships or a gymnasium with focus on those subjects

[Anonymous No.4730228]

>>4726971
Did this help any of you with volume? My shit is still too flat.

[Anonymous No.4730231]

>>4730228
Do you think you'll magically be good at drawing forms after reading the book and doing some exercises?

[Anonymous No.4730235]

>>4730228
Honestly, Vilppu's drawing manual's "spherical forms" exercised helped me the most. It sounds weird, but forcing yourself to make beautiful and appealing drawings with only blobs really forces you to think sculpturally.

[Anonymous No.4730236]

>>4730231
What kind of stupid comment is this?

[Anonymous No.4730251]

>>4730236
It is, isn't it? As stupid as the question that you asked in the first place.

[Anonymous No.4730267]

>>4730251
And that "comeback" is even dumber.

[Anonymous No.4730382]

>How To Draw (futuristic tractors)

[Anonymous No.4732165]

>>4730215
you need to be 18 or older to post here.

[Anonymous No.4734078]

>>4732165
pyw

[Anonymous No.4734089]

>>4730215
https://www87.zippyshare.com/v/n2ICZP1s/file.html
Good luck, guessing the assignments from the books :^)

[Anonymous No.4735589]

>>4727756
do they have a blog?
I'm curious as to the kind of work they do.

[Anonymous No.4735608]

>>4727756
SKIP HOW TO DRAW KEK
MUCH BETTER
https://imgur.com/gallery/RXJ2nmH

[Anonymous No.4735634]

>>4727056
iamgine studying hours and hours to make a grid, if you can just make a 3d model on blender in 10min, for fucking christ sake.

[Anonymous No.4735963]

>>4735608
these cookie cutter training regimes are kinda shit

[Anonymous No.4735994]

>>4726971
>>4726981
Low IQ thread.

[Anonymous No.4736545]

>>4735589
https://www.artstation.com/mikejordana

[Anonymous No.4736547]

Biggest people make is thinking this is a perspective book.

[Anonymous No.4736576]

>>4736545
soulless

[Anonymous No.4736609]

why is perspective so boring

[Anonymous No.4736610]

I started doing this after going through vandruff and the first chapters were understandable but I ran into a little difficulty with the curve mirroring. Does anyone want to do a study thread?

[Anonymous No.4737525]

>>4736545
Thanks anon

>>4736576
pyw

[Anonymous No.4737560]

Imagine not wanting to be able to draw sick ass machines

[Anonymous No.4737720]

>>4736609
It's not, that's a child's mentality for things they don't like.

[Anonymous No.4737783]

>>4727654
easy.
Art is harder. No exams, no school, only guts.

[Anonymous No.4737818]

>>4735608
>https://imgur.com/gallery/RXJ2nmH
Is anyone doing this?
I need a curriculum or the procrastination monster drags me into the NGMI realm

[Anonymous No.4737851]

>>4727056
What is the problem with Perspective made easy

[Anonymous No.4737899]

>>4737818
the person who made that chart is ngmi
https://imgur.com/user/radiorunner20

[Anonymous No.4737919]

>>4735608
This looks so long-winded, but what do I know, maybe taking things slow and in small chunks does work better

[Anonymous No.4738247]

>>4737899
show the good stuff copeseether

[Anonymous No.4738255]

>>4737818
It's made by a literallywho and it's neatly presented. This is the ONLY way to make it.

[Anonymous No.4738267]

>>4735608
MODERNDAYJAMES BASADO

[Anonymous No.4738449]

>>4737899
kek
you can't make this shit up

[Anonymous No.4738805]

>all these tracks that put strict anatomy ahead of composition and advanced perspective.
Brainlet approach. The best way to tackle it is to learn the baseline principles on basic subject matter FIRST and then tackle more complex subjects. Dodson and hudson are fantastic resources for learning how to use a pencil, pen, or charcoal. Learn how to draw and render simple forms with high skill in a medium of choice and then dial down the specifics of the human figure. The reason so many people on this shithole get so frustrated is because they try to take arguably the most challenging subject matters to learn, the human body, as their first and main topic for art, when they dont even know how to use any of the tools at their disposal. People that can barely control their tablets or pencils aren't going to be able to produce results that satisfy even themselves let alone others because their eyes and tastes are far beyond what their hands can produce. Pic related is what I worked from, with the modification of moving framed ink up to section 2 because I got a copy of it as a gift before I had a tablet for digital painting.

[Anonymous No.4738828]

>>4726971
Yeah this is how you learn to draw, you idiot.

[Anonymous No.4738846]

>>4726971
>i dont want to learn hiw to draw, i just want magic cure

Ngmi

[Anonymous No.4738906]

>>4726971
I can follow this book but I still don't know how to draw

[Anonymous No.4741059]

>>4738805
would you be willing to post your work ? interested :)