/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.4718714]

based!

[Anonymous No.4718717]

>>4718714

[Anonymous No.4718719]

>>4718717

[Anonymous No.4718721]

>>4718719

[Anonymous No.4718723]

>>4718714
Not another fucking twitter thread bloody hell

[Anonymous No.4718725]

>>4718714
Holy based

[Anonymous No.4718738]

>>4718721
>>4718719
>>4718717
>>4718714
I'm willing to bet this person's art is the most generic garbage and she thinks anything but commercial trash is "not good".

[Anonymous No.4718742]

>>4718738
t. salty pretzel

[Rhetorical question: No.4718745]

>>4718714
Is Drama/Vendetta allowed now on /ic/?

[Anonymous No.4718747]

>>4718738
ok crab

[Anonymous No.4718748]

>>4718738
>found the butthurt faggot.

[Anonymous No.4718749]

>>4718745
since art doesn't exist anymore, /ic/ now stands for what social media is about: internet celebrities

[Anonymous No.4718752]

>>4718714
>>4718717
>>4718721
And I'm supposed to care about what women think because...?
I just see "Alexandria" and I instantly know it's a vagina, therefore not worth my time to even open the image.

[Anonymous No.4718753]

The way she expects people to get angry at something (ideally) uncontroversial like this you can tell her followers are of the SJW extremist kind. She's playing with fire not catering to their limitless entitlement.

[Anonymous No.4718754]

>>4718752

[Anonymous No.4718756]

>>4718747
her timeline barely has any art, it's just those lesbian chicks from TLOU
if she didn't have a vagina and she didn't post lesbian LGBT trash you'd say this isn't worth any attention

[Anonymous No.4718757]

>>4718717
>Social media has created this bizarre expectation that people with a higher following should be doing something to help you.
Social media has created this dreadful expectation that you should be a full fledged veteran godly artist otherwise you are shit and undeserving of love
>Creators are far more accesible
>Most of us DO give WAY too much of our free time trying to help young artist
This is blatant lying and it honestly makes me seethe. Never ever creators have been more of an ivory tower bitches who shit on you if you ever dare throw them any question their way. Hell the only reason I'm still on /ic/ despite everything is because its the only place where I can extremely ocasionally get good and honest advice, coated with a bunch of feces. Everywhere else you either get ghosted, ignored or attacked and shunned if you are actually trying to improve and have honest questions, while if you are farming for pity and brownie points the whole carnival is for you.

I don't even know who is this bitch and now I'm mad 10/10 made me reply.

[Anonymous No.4718759]

>>4718754
lol you wish.

[Anonymous No.4718760]

>>4718753
All of Twitter is an SJW honeypot nowadays, so it's not surprising.

[Anonymous No.4718764]

>>4718757
>/ic/
>good and honest advice
Do we browse the same board?

[Anonymous No.4718765]

>>4718745
I won't say I like twitter threads, but this post is relevant here as a board centered heavily around critique and learning, especially given the rampant ungratefulness, entitlement, insecure dick swinging, and cynicism on full display every day here. None of that behavior helps.

[Anonymous No.4718766]

>>4718752
actual cringe

[Anonymous No.4718769]

>>4718757
Stop expecting others to invest time and effort into (You). They have no reason to do so. You are being an entitled brat in case you didn't realize. NGMI.

[Anonymous No.4718770]

>>4718714
>>4718717
>>4718719
>>4718721
That's just common sense.

[Anonymous No.4718771]

>>4718766
Yeah, it's fucking cringe every time women open their disgusting mouths.
All they do is huff and puff about nothing all the time.

[Anonymous No.4718776]

>>4718765
>this post is relevant here as a board centered heavily around critique and learning,
There's none of this on /ic/ and that's because critique and learning are useless since there are threads for pirating courses,
The real talk on this board is
>what fetishes should I draw
>what's the new trending thing I can rape
>how do I sell lolis without getting into trouble
>how do I manipulate people into following me
>how do I cheat the system so I get visible
which is what the actual art world looks like under all the stupid shit these people spew on Twitter for clout. This woman talks about skill when 9 out of 10 posts she shits out are virtue signaling. /ic/ is the most real place in the art world, it shows you exactly how manipulative and ruthless people are.
It doesn't even matter how good you are because perceive your art differently if you have 1 or 10000 followers. If I posted >>4718747 or better things and complained people would say it's because I'm not good enough or some other goalpost-moving excuse like "I have to change subject" or "draw some fanart" which basically means you should not make the art you make even if it's good = it's not about skill.

[Anonymous No.4718779]

>>4718738
>seething /beg/tard
You are just pissed that your loomis head scribbles doesn’t give you a following.

[Anonymous No.4718785]

>>4718779
whatever makes you comfortable, anon

[Anonymous No.4718788]

>>4718714
Read the whole thing. She’s a bitch but she’s 100% right. Leeching off other people is a terrible idea and you should shine from the fruits of your own effort.

[Anonymous No.4718790]

>>4718776
>ic/ is the most real place in the art world
Based schizo poster

[Anonymous No.4718792]

>>4718766
Dilate that crotch wound

[Anonymous No.4718794]

>>4718756
As much as I cannot stand this chick because 90% of her tweets are about political bullshit and how black people are good and white people are bad and men suck (which is unfortunate because I like her landscapes but I can't deal with constant political posts on my tl), she is an actual character artist at Naughty Dog and actually did work on TLOU2, she didn't just do some fan art.

[Anonymous No.4718797]

Mods do your "job"

[Anonymous No.4718800]

>>4718752
No wonder you retards always bitch about that no one give you attention.

[Anonymous No.4718801]

>>4718794
>she is an actual character artist at Naughty Dog
Well, that explains fucking everything.
Cunt is just another ego-driven retard.

[Anonymous No.4718802]

>>4718714
>>4718717
>>4718719
>>4718721
she's completely right
>>4718738
>>4718752
seething /begs/

[Anonymous No.4718806]

>>4718800
And why would I want the attention of a filthy fucking female when I already have a boyfriend?
Females are fucking trash and deserve to be thrown into the trash.

[Anonymous No.4718807]

>>4718794
>she is an actual character artist at Naughty Dog and actually did work on TLOU2, she didn't just do some fan art.
I know, it doesn't change what I said. Her character art isn't even that great, it's not even average work for a concept artist skill-wise so she has no right to tell people "if you don't have a following you're not good enough". I see way better people without a following and this is insulting. If a regular anon posted art like that here nobody would even care.
It's literally just clout. Those fucking numbers mean more than people believe, if you make a statement with the same art to back it up and you have 50 followers you'll get called a retard, if you have 10000 you automatically have the authority.

[Anonymous No.4718878]

>>4718753
It’s not just SJWs that get mad anymore. It’s anyone. If you even bring up the concept of a face mask, there are people out there that will be filled with rage. There is literally nothing you can say or do that won’t piss off someone.

[Anonymous No.4718887]

>>4718807
t. Salty pretzel

[Anonymous No.4718905]

The only people who disagree with these statements are seething retards. If you're not getting work it's because you're bad. Plain and simple. If you are looking at other people's art, who are popular, and you think you are better, you're not. There is something about their art that isn't in yours. It's really that plain and simple.

There is a venn diagram you can make between the people who are upset because "their artwork is great but they don't have any followers" and the people who say "PYW" in response to a valid critique. the circles almost perfectly overlap and the center is called NGMI

[Anonymous No.4718910]

>>4718905

This is somehow assuming that art is a purely meritocratic endeavor with zero relevance given to how you network or promote yourself.

Which is comically fucking naive. Self promotion and networking are critical skills and pretending you don't need them is disingenuous.

[Anonymous No.4718911]

>>4718905
Sure thing

[Anonymous No.4718923]

>>4718911
Here’s a better one

[Anonymous No.4718934]

>>4718910
You can peddle hollow shit, maybe gain a hundred people, and have no interaction on your artwork because people will just not care if it isn't good, or doesn't create an emotional reaction with them. Sure marketing is a thing, but it's less of a thing than actual skill and transferring those # on their profile to work and progress. Believing otherwise is pure COPE
>>4718911
absolute seething I see. Why not take a moment, find out what it is about their art that gets them attention, and study that? how does your artwork not live up to that level? furthermore, If they aren't in the field of artwork you are trying to get into, why the fuck does their numbers matter?

[Anonymous No.4718940]

>>4718905
I think this is a fair opinion but I also think if you want to express it, your feed shouldn't be 90% virtue signaling, pandering and using the massive support network of women forcing themselves in the industry. If you want to make this statement then actually earn your right to it.

[Anonymous No.4718945]

hate to agree with a feminazi, but when they're right they're right. it's actually kind of surprising it even needs to be said desu.

[Anonymous No.4718948]

>>4718934
>Why not take a moment, find out what it is about their art that gets them attention, and study that? how does your artwork not live up to that level?
Not him but lol ok you're a coomfag
Please put this information in the name field so people can stop wasting their time talking to you

[Anonymous No.4718955]

>>4718769
Were you abandoned by your parents as a baby or something? Social media is the most inhumane, simultaneously uncaring and obsessive, hugbox-y and repressive environment I've ever been in. It's not normal, and noting that it isn't normal has nothing to do with entitlement. Forum culture was a thousand times better than this. Having art friends irl is a million times better than this.

[Anonymous No.4718957]

>>4718807
>Fuck pros, they suck!
>Why won't pros help me?
This is like CHAZ but with NGMI artists.

[Anonymous No.4718960]

>people think the only reason you might not get work is because you're bad and that's it

Rob Liefeld is one of the most successful artists in the comic industry. Ask yourself why.

[Anonymous No.4718963]

>>4718757
>undeserving of love
Are you an artist, or a beyond needy broken person who needs therapy, not followers?
>makes me seethe.
We couldn't tell, at all. No, really.

[Anonymous No.4718969]

>>4718752
imagine being this much of an incel
goddamn. isn't it shitty to live like this your whole life?

[Anonymous No.4718974]

>>4718957
I never said this, this is a thing women do. This person in the OP probably climbed to her spot doing exactly this given how fucking heavy on politics she is but she's now pretending she got there through merit. I was simply pointing out the hypocrisy, but this is classic pretending to be retarded so you can pretend you won the argument

[Anonymous No.4718980]

you can go to the #NobodyArtistClub hashtag and see for yourself if anybody of these artist are undervalued or not

[Anonymous No.4718981]

>>4718948
not a coomfag, I don't rely on social interaction for progress or self affirmation. I don't even make art in the same style of them. I can see people's artwork for both their positives and negatives though. Judging people as "not worthy" and seething at their reach and audience is as toxic to your own mentality as looking at a pro or veteran artist and judging yourself negatively is. Instead of focusing on other people, invest more time and energy into your own personal growth, and then maybe you can develop an audience like theirs that appreciates your work for the skill behind it

[Anonymous No.4718989]

>>4718981
then maybe you can stop being retarded and simply admit that skills are a secondary factory unless you want to teach?

[Anonymous No.4718991]

>>4718923
>girl name
>Nintendo shit
>emojis in name
Brothers the signs are clear how to get popular and you ignore them

[Anonymous No.4718994]

>>4718969
>WAAHHH INCEL INCEL WAAAHHH
Get another insult, bro.

[Anonymous No.4718995]

>>4718994

[Anonymous No.4718996]

>>4718994
>WAHH FEMALES
stop crying you incompetent bitch

[Anonymous No.4718999]

>>4718989
I don't know what jobs you're trying to get, but enjoy applying to studios with art that looks like it was painted by a flipper handed incest child and not getting any reply back(even if you write that you have over 10k followers!). Portfolio> social media #s, unless you're posting on furaffinity.com, then by all means get back to it, King. You're making more money than any of us

[Anonymous No.4719004]

>>4718996
>WAAHHH MY VAGINA GOT INSULTED WAHH
You first, cunt.

[Anonymous No.4719008]

>>4719004
>>4718996
Just fuck each other already

[Anonymous No.4719012]

>>4718999

Yeah and turn up to that interview with a killer portfolio smelling like shit and acting like an asshole and see how many jobs you get.

Your skill is not the only factor. It's important, but I think you're needlessly doubling down on a more nuanced subject here: success is multifaceted and requires a range of skills beyond just art.

I don't agree with the other anon that skill is a 'secondary factor', it is extremely important, but there are a lot of other factors that can make or break you.

[Anonymous No.4719013]

>>4719008
I don't fuck retards.

[Anonymous No.4719017]

>>4719013
you don't fuck anyone period

[Anonymous No.4719023]

>>4719017
So, everyone's a retard?
Nice logic, retard.

[Anonymous No.4719026]

>>4719023
stop signing your posts

[Anonymous No.4719032]

>>4718999
Why do you assume people have to be complete shit to make this claim? The attention queen in the OP works for a large video game company when there are way better people around who could've taken her place. I certainly know a bunch of literally whos who have impressive art that is way more interesting, and struggle to get hired.
You are the one who brought up the argument that it's 100% about meritocracy, now you're moving the goalposts and you go B-BUT MUH INDUSTRY WON'T HIRE YOU when if you go on ArtStation it's 95% fanart and braindead chinkshit that looks exactly all the same because these people are desperate, replaceable numbers and they know it.
Unless you are conflating skills in art with a specific art style, in which case I'm sorry for you, your argument doesn't stand here either. Not to mention that absolute hacks like Ilya whatever got hired simply because they have such a massive audience. It would've been more believable if you said shit like
>You have to be a reliable worker that is familiar with how things are done
But this bullshit where you claim that pandering to the masses is a synonym of hidden quality - I imagine a buzzword like "appeal" - is retarded and doesn't make sense within the argument you're trying to support.

[Anonymous No.4719034]

>>4719026
You first, retard.

Signed - The guy who isn't a retard.

[Anonymous No.4719043]

>>4719034
Wow you sure showed him.

[Anonymous No.4719046]

>>4719034
if i wanted my comeback i would've wiped it off your mom's cunt

[Anonymous No.4719054]

>>4719046

OHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[Anonymous No.4719056]

>>4719043
>>4719046
Nice replies, retards.

Signed - The guy who STILL isn't a retard.

[Anonymous No.4719061]

>>4718714
Why the fuck have I been loaded with commissions back to back when I'm a beginner with 1.6k followers then

[Anonymous No.4719063]

>>4719061
How cheap were your commissions?

[Anonymous No.4719067]

>>4718714
She should just be silent.
What's teh point of engaging with people, especially in this day and age? Does she and artists like her really have such a huge ego tehy feel compelled to write this during cancel era?

Just stay quite, name your price, take your commissions. Social engagement is a bomb defusal.

[Anonymous No.4719068]

>>4718752
cope harder

[Anonymous No.4719070]

>>4719063
40-70 bucks and comic pages cost more
I started early last year
Also it seems like everyone who worked on tlou2 is an asshole I guess. This cancer should be kept off the artwork critique board but lol

[Anonymous No.4719084]

>>4718911
Obsessed

[Anonymous No.4719088]

>>4719012
I think you're right, and I don't want to sway that far in the opposite direction. If you're a prick with 0 personal skills than you won't be able to get a job at all. That being said, you can argue the negligibility from how you act with clients to your social media numbers. Just because you are kind with a client doesn't mean you have a social media following, and just because you have a social media following doesn't mean you're not a prick (if anything, I think a higher number of followers can breed overconfidence)

in the arena of artistic value, I'm always leaning on skill over media presence. That's what it boils down to

>>4719032
Genuinely, Ilya is the only exception I can think of where I truly felt confused at his reach compared to his art. After being outed as directly tracing over piece after piece, it felt strange seeing him get a dream job in his line of work. The reason for his success must really lie in his interpersonal skills

That being said, The bitch from the OP got the job, not because of her numbers or her following, but because she applied for it and they saw work in her portfolio that they liked. It doesn't matter if you think there are people with better art, the director saw their work and thought they were perfect for the job

it's about what you can bring to a company. If you case trends and social media likes over actual skill and competency then you'll end up in an endless pit. you get hired specifically for your art, and usually for one peice that the art director sees and wants you to replicate in one way or another. It doesn't matter if that piece they see has thousands of likes, or has never been posted

that 19 y/o you posted before has something in her artwork that you don't have, because if you had it, you'd get the same #'s as her. But, Is that # going to make her more applicable for the dream job you are going after? the answer is most likely no.

[Anonymous No.4719105]

>>4718752
Get off social media, especially sites like 4chan, and go to a therapist.
I don't mean this in any kind of insulting way whatsoever, but you should seek help. This isn't healthy.

[Anonymous No.4719135]

fuck twitteer threads, fuck niggers and fuck the jannies for allowing this shit to fly

[Anonymous No.4719137]

>>4719088
>The bitch from the OP got the job, not because of her numbers or her following, but because she applied for it and they saw work in her portfolio that they liked. It doesn't matter if you think there are people with better art, the director saw their work and thought they were perfect for the job
So you think this is universal truth but then you have examples like that guy who got hired by Google, or Kickstarters explicitly collecting artists with a high social media count, or Ilya which you admitted is "weird", then you went on to cope with
>The reason for his success must really lie in his interpersonal skills
As if social media numbers or virtue signaling didn't matter. Do you know what an influencer is? Do you know what it means for a company to have a radfem representing them and reminding everyone their game is LGBT positive?
You're going full retard to justify a saccharine world view, I understand why because in this world if you don't delude yourself it can get real fucking bleak, but that doesn't make it not a lie. There are people who get hired in art for things other than their art, and these things are often as distant from art as they can be.

[Anonymous No.4719170]

>>4718752
Based

[Anonymous No.4719178]

>>4718806
>he's a fucking faggot

I mean, can you really talk?

[Anonymous No.4719179]

>>4718714
>used a food as an insult
WOW ARTIST

[Anonymous No.4719201]

>>4718723
/thread

[Anonymous No.4719235]

This is not age of skill racing,
This is age of how communicate and sell your shit

So stop grind art and become 'fun' person

[Anonymous No.4719258]

>>4718714
art hoes can't be based

[Anonymous No.4719266]

unbased