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Why do some japanese animators chose to become slavewage animators rather than celebrity illustrators with unlimited earning potential?

>> No.4712843

>>4712828
Because the industry is full of people who will work for cheap and refuse to go on strike or demand reasonable wages. They're pussies. You think a pussy is going to give up their shitty dream job to make patreon coomerbux?

>> No.4712847

Because they want to call themselves animators. Pride shit.

>> No.4712852

Why would anybody study art instead of STEM ?

>> No.4712855

>>4712852
Because stem is souless

>> No.4712860

>>4712828
They just love making anime. Money wouldn't make them any happier. They just want to keep drawing.

>> No.4712881

>>4712860
This. It's about passion, not money. If they wanted money, they wouldn't have become artists.

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>>4712855
wrong

>> No.4712952

>>4712828
What anime?

>> No.4712961

>>4712952
Boku no Pico

>> No.4712969

>>4712961
I really want to know :(

>> No.4712975

>>4712952
Bakemonogatari or some other -monogatari

>> No.4712980

Most artists are not business oriented so the idea of wasting time doing freelance business work isnt appealing to many thst just want to draw.

>> No.4712985

>>4712828
because they have a passion for that particular type of work? they want to see characters bounce to life and move around while contributing to a bigger project that could potentially go down in history of animation, especially obvious since there are tons of new animators each year despite them knowing that they'll probably make under 500 a month while working overtime

also not everyone can be an illustrator, and most definitely not an actually good one as you can see from 98% of "illustrators", it takes a very different type of mindset and skills to pursue

this is such a beg thread

>> No.4712993

>>4712828
animation is currently (or rather, has the potential to be) one of the highest art forms. illustration is something a child can do well. literally drawing pretty pictures. at some point when illustrating you’ll make something nice, unless there’s really something wrong with you. most animation that actually gets produced and made popular is pure garbage like anything else, but as a medium it has the potential to create life that is entirely within your control. if you have the ability to do that, why would you squander it on static illustrations?

>> No.4712998

>>4712993
dunning kruger take
would ask to post work but it probably doesn't rank above your usual loomis head

>> No.4713006

>>4712998
why is that a dunning krueger take? i’m just stating why a skilled artist would choose to animate over illustrate. you don’t have to take everything personally.

>> No.4713033

>>4713006
You're comparing two different mediums. Actually the point is why do some very skilled animators decide to keep working for slave wages and living life of poverty when they have the potential to make it big on their own.

>> No.4713048

>>4713033
Different anon but it is because they like the feeling of actually having their work be in a famous show and in media many people will see. They take pride in the fact that they animated something that people will be watching for years to come

>> No.4713055

>>4713033
because then your precious anime wouldn't exist? obviously they do it because they have a different mindset and care more about their craft than money and are willing to work with a team to create something grand instead of churning out whatever it is you think would make more but won’t be remembered the way a film or series would.

>> No.4713064

>>4712860
t. woman who only fucks you if you have money

>> No.4713068

>>4712993
wow, braindead take.

>> No.4713079

>>4712975
There are so many monogataris and I just couldn’t get into it 11 episodes in. I just don’t see the appeal.

>> No.4713116

>>4713079
it's for females

>> No.4713659

>>4713116
I would have assumed the opposite with the excessive amount of fanservice/loli bait the show has

>> No.4713689

I want nothing more than to be a wageslave animator. What studios hire for that here in the US?

>> No.4713706

>>4712993
This. Animation > Film > Music > Illustration > Dance > Photography > Writing > Theatre

>> No.4713718

>>4713706
Switch theatre for writing and you have a good worst to best ranking

>> No.4713729

>>4712828
Because worker strikes are rude and Japanese hate being rude

>> No.4713737

>>4713706
>>4713718
Why rank writing so low?

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4713774

>>4713659
You're supposed to self insert as the female characters and lust after araraarararararagi

at least thats what i do

t. male

>> No.4713775

>>4713706
>>4713718
Writing can do anything those mediums can do but better and for free. No plan, no crew, no equipment. Just one man and a dream. Writing is the ultimate expression of the unrestrained soul of man.

>> No.4713782

>>4712828
Why do you care? Do you feel it’s a waste of their talent? In that case get better at drawing than them and be a celebrity illustrator if that’s your idea of success.

>> No.4713788 [DELETED] 

>>4713775
Haha, writing is also the foundation without which none of those other things could exist. Except illustration I guess, but actually most illustration with a good concept does require some kind of writing in the beginning stages.

However, I think anon means that animation has superior potential because it combines so many artforms. So he'd probably put comics above illustration and writing. In that case, why not put video games or virtual reality above them all?

>> No.4713789

>>4713737
Because I have cum for brains

>> No.4713790

>>4713737
>>4713775
Words and language are abstract concepts without an actual form. It is less an expression of the artist than it is a mere suggestion for the reader to fill in their own expression. Writing is akin to illustration that used purely symbol drawing, or a music score without performance.

>> No.4713836

>>4713790
Writing well is probably one of the most esoteric and difficult things to learn how to do though. Every other art seems to have agreed upon theory and practices. (Talking about story-writing here)

>> No.4713841

>>4712847
Underrated post

>> No.4713847

>>4713737
>>4713775
That's why I said worst to best, writing is the superior artform maybe music is on par.

>> No.4713865

>>4713774
that's not fair you used kizumonogatari arararagi, everybody is 1000x hotter in that movie. regular araragi is a fucking perverted manlet most of the time

>> No.4713869

>>4713790
>It is less an expression of the artist than it is a mere suggestion for the reader to fill in their own expression.

That's, like, the main reason it's superior.

>> No.4713870

>>4713865
He’s shredded in the tv anime too, just movie had better budget

>> No.4714163

>>4712852
Because not everyone is made for STEM. Telling random people to study STEM is like telling coal miners to lrn2code.

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4714192

>>4713847
Then why rank animation so low???

>> No.4714202

>>4712852
>tfw studied engineering
>tfw licensed engineer making good money
>tfw still have enough time to learn art and be recognized for my skill by other artists

>> No.4714226

>>4714202
>tfw when you never will reach the pinnacle in anything

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4714570

>>4713079
It's for people who like harem anime and snappy dialogue.

>> No.4714574

>>4714192
No high art has ever been made in animation, maybe in the future

>> No.4714579

>>4714226
You never know unless you try

>> No.4714589

>>4713706
Music>Writing>Architecture>Painting(I don't think is the same as Illustration)>Film=Theatre>Dance>>Photography>>>>>>>>Illustration>Animation

>> No.4714629

>>4714163
>Because not everyone is made for STEM. Telling random people to study STEM is like telling coal miners to lrn2code.
You can't tell western NPCS that tho. Blank slate mentality.

>> No.4715653

>>4712855
Fake and gay. Curiosity is one of the purest feelings in this world.

>> No.4715658

>>4714589
Illustration is definitely above Dance

>> No.4715660

>>4715653
STEM has nothing to do with curiosity,
t. STEMfag

It really is soulless. And actually easy once you just sit down and learn the math. Art is harder.

>> No.4715661

>>4713079
You are not Japanese so you are not capable of understanding a show about Japanese myth and language

>> No.4715718

>>4714589
this is so messed up.

>> No.4715779

>>4712828
I think illustrator job in japan is pretty saturated already.

>> No.4715956

>>4714589
>Considers drawn art as the lowest art form while on /ic/ Artwork/critique
Why are you here?

>> No.4715964

>>4714574
>High art
Whats your definition of high art?

>> No.4715990

>>4715956
he's trolling.

>> No.4715996

>>4715660

Maybe if you're an engineer.

Not all STEM is created equal, especially not when it comes to curiosity/creativity. Some of it is far harder on practical application than others (though even in practical application you can have creativity and soul).

Obviously there will be 'soulless' aspects of learning, it's the same with learning your fundies in art. You need the learn the tools to use the tools.

>> No.4716104

>>4715660
I'm a STEMfag as well, and I'm motivated by curiosity.

>> No.4716152

>>4712828
>unironically using slavewage/wageslave
found the commie "liberator"

>> No.4716195

>>4716104
>>4715996
>>4715660
>STEM
FUCKING STOP CALLING IT STEM YOU FUCKING FAGGOTS

engineers aren’t like cock gobbling artists who have to label themselves ARTist. I HATE people who call it STEM or people who say they are in STEM. If you are in it, you don’t label yourself. You are part of the normal functioning part of society that contributes to improving how it operates.

Only dumb fucks who can’t do work of tangible value identify people and industries as STEM.

Fuck you you fucking low lifes who are trying to distinguish yourselves from the useless pustules of humanity.

>> No.4716202

>>4716195
seething stemcuck

>> No.4716205

>>4715996
List all STEM fields except Math that require creativity (Theoretical Physics doesn't count, since storytelling is a liberal art).

>> No.4716207

>>4716195
and who are you?

>> No.4716229

>>4716207
>>4716202
I’ve been programming since I was 8, I went to MIT undergrad, I wrote code at a FAANG company for 10yrs. 30% of you probably use my work on a daily basis.

Nobody I’ve ever worked with or gone to school with has ever said they are in STEM. Only people I’ve met outside or work and school have always labeled themselves as STEM or being interested in STEM. It’s so fucking irritating.

>> No.4716233

>>4716229
hey should I start with c++ if I want to make games?

>> No.4716240

>>4716233
I never programmed games, but everything boils back down to C/C++. If you are interested in working on back end and infrastructure learn C++. If you want to work on glossy UI, and apps there is probably a better language.

>> No.4716255

>>4716229
t. Diversity hire who programmed two lines in the windows 10 login screen

>> No.4716297

>>4716255
> Diversity hire
Nah - hard mode, Asian male

>> No.4716302

>>4716297
Good on you man. But you can't just come into /ic/ shitting all over the arts. "STEM is anybody who is part of normally functional society" is just plain ignorant. Really makes you look dumb.

>> No.4716348

>>4716195
This, don't group us software chads with scicucks and math nerds who can't even break 100k out of college

>> No.4716351

>>4716348
>Muh money
Soulless working drone

>> No.4716356

>>4716229
Ever thought it might have to do with anonymity? When you are working with people tehy will narrow down what tehy do, but online its not necessary and you just say STEM, especially when teh specifics are irrelevant. It's easier to write than "Science, Technology and Math -fields" as well.

Hope this helps. I recommend therapy, but i know you'll think you don't need it. Alright.

>> No.4716740

>>4716195
Maybe I was just adopting the vernacular the people around me were using, something that most socially adjusted people do. Guess you wouldn't get it.

>> No.4716758

>>4712852
Stem is cold and sterile. The humaties and arts are warm and human. Simple as.

>> No.4717246

>>4716297
>Nah - hard mode, Asian male
lmfao, whatever you have to tell yourself to sleep better at night.

>> No.4717423

>>4716356
There are plenty of vaguely specific words to denote your occupation/study: comp sci, chem E, mech E, Aero Astro, physics, econ, bio E, nuclear, civil E, electrical E, Product designer, post doc, grad student, PhD, undergrad. I’m sure 99% of the population knows what these subjects are.

Only STEMfags are wandering around trying out different majors to discover themselves treating a technical education like the liberal arts.

None of my friends with phds who work in science refer to themselves as scientists. None of friends who work in tech say they work in technology.

>>4716740
You should probably spend less time on 4chan

>> No.4717428
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>>4714226

>> No.4717485

>>4712985
>because they have a passion for that particular type of work?
A question is not an answer? This is a website for men?

>> No.4717579

>>4712998
>>4713068
go the fuck back to twitter if you're so thirsty for some of those "super hot takes", retards.

>> No.4717625

>>4717423
You just don't get it right? Why would we write "comp sci, chem E, mech E, Aero Astro, physics, econ, bio E, nuclear, civil E, electrical E, Product designer", when we can just write "STEM"?

>> No.4717880

>>4717579
seethe harder imbecile

>> No.4718382

>>4717423
>You should probably spend less time on 4chan
Dude literally what is your point besides attempting to piss me off. Looking at your replies it obvious the majority of people here think you're being weird, doesn't matter what the social rules are elsewhere. Ofc I don't act like this and tell people "I'm in STEM" irl, but this isn't irl.

>> No.4718410

>>4712852
choosing a stem degree didn't get me a job,
so fuck your lie and your scam.

>> No.4718465

>>4716195
Once again you have proved that STEM is autistic

>> No.4718811

>>4716205
>Theoretical Physics doesn't count, since storytelling is a liberal art).
Based

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>>4714589
>Illustration and Animation below Photography