/VENT /

[Anonymous No.4707168]

No vent thread? Weird.

[Anonymous No.4707171]

>>4707168
i only have about a 10% engagement rate on my instagram by which i mean, i have about 150 followers and any given post only get between 5 and 15 likes. comments are pretty rare. its basically only friends and family. my only posts that get higher than that are when i use the right hashtags. if i draw fan art or something i can get maybe 30 likes.

I know likes aren't the end all be all.

But in life in general, I want to see upward progress. Everybody does.

it's humbling for sure. Sometimes I look at an imperfection and I go "it doesn't matter. no one is gonna notice." so this makes me at least think... yea people probably do notice. Small mistakes probably make art less appealing. If I see room for improvement I should probably fix it before I whine about things not being fair.

I feel like I'm playing the game on hard mode. I hope it pays off.

[Anonymous No.4707174]

>>4707171
How the fuck do you use instagram? My relative has beginner level work and pulls in dozens of likes. I mean TRASH as shit and yet he has a bunch of likes.

But I post my post and get 0 likes. I have no clue how to use it and I feel like an old man.

[Anonymous No.4707180]

>>4707168
I was about to make one

[Anonymous No.4707183]

>>4707180
your image is cuter. i wish i had waited.

[Anonymous No.4707186]

>>4707174
idk really. whats weird is i have some really good artists who follow and like my stuff and i cant tell if they are patting my head like a retard or if they really like it.

Specifically arielzbart and ernest.tsarukyan follow and frequently like my drawings. i recently unfollowed ariel because he's a commie sympathizer with that blm crap but he still follows me and likes my stuff.

[Anonymous No.4707198]

>>4707186
>whats weird is i have some really good artists who follow and like my stuff and i cant tell if they are patting my head like a retard or if they really like it.

I'm wondering this as well. Why do really good artist follow lowly people? Like their following/followers ratio would be night and day high/low so I can't tell if they actually like what I'm doing or if it's random follow.

[Anonymous No.4707199]

>>4707174
>>4707171
>>4707186
how do you post to instagram through desktop? is there an extension?

[Anonymous No.4707214]

>Have stupid soul crushing job
>Cannot quit, stuck in another country and have to stay afloat
>Wake up in the morning
>Be miserable
>Every other artist under the sun is fucking amazing and can live fulfilling lives doing what they do
>Half of them were regular workers who transitioned into art painlessly
>My art is shit
>Practice every day regardless, using whatever time I can find here and there
>Fail to improve altogether
>Rinse and repeat
>I'm a full grown adult but a failure under every single account
I can't quit however, the only thing I have to lose is my health and I'm already losing it due to being stuck in permanent misery mode, if I were to quit my misert would just skyrocket 10 fold. Despite fighting every day everything seems to forecast I will never make it, guess some people never do.

[Anonymous No.4707220]

>>4707174
Why are you asking /ic/ instead of your relative who's already doing what you want to achieve? Oh wait, because the relative is a lie.

[Anonymous No.4707236]

>>4707214
maybe find different ways to study art? if you're grinding boxes and loomis and your art isn't coming out the way you want it to, study other artists that you like and copy what you like about them.

[Anonymous No.4707238]

>>4707220

I'm not exactly on good terms with him. Actually, he hates me.

[Anonymous No.4707241]

>>4707199
no what i do is right click on the main page, and click inspect. youll get a menu that opens up and a little icon in the corner to switch from desktop to mobile. then if you reload the page you have the upload icon.

[Anonymous No.4707249]

>>4707241
very clever! thank you

[Anonymous No.4707507]

>>4707168
I am so, so tired. I need to put my soul to rest.

[Anonymous No.4707525]

>>4707171
How old is your insta? How often do you post? I tried the insta game for a month by posting daily, went at about 700 followers, with about 30ish likes and a few comments. Fanarts do better indeed. Try to engage with your userbase by asking them stuff in your descriptions etc, post stories everytime you make a post, use popular and niche hashtags. BE CONSISTENT, meaning you don't have to post on a daily basis but regularity is key. Fix yourself a schedule and stick to it (even if it's one pic / week)

[Anonymous No.4707530]

Fucking with anons here is so easy a fulfilling. Why is this board so weak and sensitive lmao

[Anonymous No.4707564]

>>4707530
yfw this is actually a good soul pretending there are people around here who just love to crush young artists. This way anons would think "oh its one of those bitter losers" and it reduces suffering.

Is this the 4d chess Trump is palying?

[Anonymous No.4707568]

>>4707564
Is English your 2nd language or did you have a seizure? Jesus Christ.

[Anonymous No.4707619]

>>4707568
dumb anon can't understand a simple post
go back to crabbing

[Anonymous No.4707622]

I HAVENT FINISHED ANY PERSONAL PROJECTS BESIDE A PLETHORA OF STUDIES AHHHHH

[Anonymous No.4707624]

>>4707619
Call me dumb again and I'll find you and kill you in Call of Duty Modern Warfare the video game.

[Anonymous No.4707629]

>>4707622
Aghh, are you me?

I'm thinking about abandoning all my studies and just diving into my project now. It's been unfinished for 2 months now.

[Anonymous No.4707761]

>>4707236
That is what I'm already doing.

[Anonymous No.4707764]

>>4707168
I'm blocked from ig and it annoys me to no end.
It seems like every other artist posts on instagram, meanwhile they refuse to let me in unless i give them a phone number and I don't want to.

[Anonymous No.4707770]

I don't see the supposed value of my work and probably never will. I started making art to share with other people and some people seem to enjoy my work but I just can't. I just don't think any of it's good. I'm not fishing for compliments, I sincerely don't like most if not all of the shit I've made for the past 2 years. It really doesn't help that marketing art is borderline impossible. I don't understand it and no one even sees most of what I make which only reinforces my feeling that my work is trash.

[Anonymous No.4707794]

>>4707770
So, you have the feeling that your art is trash. Why do you think it's trash? What would you say if it was someone else showing you a piece of the same quality? Thinking that what you do is garbage is a thing, asking yourself why you feel that way, what you could actively try to improve, what you would change if you had to do it again etc, is another. This is the difference between self loathing and having a strong autocritic.

[Anonymous No.4707805]

>>4707794
>what you could actively try to improve
What if you already went through this question multiple times, burnt out all the answers you could come up with as well as the answers of better people and yet you fail miserably at every step?

[Anonymous No.4707808]

>>4707171
Be glad you do not have autistic fucks commenting wacky random spontaneous shit on the same post every single damn day.

Instagram has some really bizarre people on it that think it's funny to make a single word reply to the same post day after day after day after day with zero self awareness.

[Anonymous No.4707811]

>haven't gotten a commission in weeks
>had a handful of people approach me for commissions since
>they all ghost me after I quote them the price
This is starting to bother me. I was consistently getting 1-2 commissions each week for the past few months, most of which cost well over $100, but I guess the spell broke or some shit and now no one can afford my stuff anymore.

[Anonymous No.4707821]

I tried drawing my penis but I can’t sharpen the pencil enough to draw that small.

[Anonymous No.4707835]

>>4707794
I don't know why I think it's trash. I'm not exactly the most confident of people so maybe that has something to do with it. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the process just not the end result most of the time. There are a million people far more talented than me and it feels dishonest to call myself an artist.

[Anonymous No.4707849]

>>4707835
Well, then don't put so much pressure and expectations on the actual result and just focus on enjoying the process. The problem with social medias and internet is that we compare ourselves too much with our fav artists, so of course it's a bummer.
When I started drawing my dbz fanarts in my room as a kid, I had no expectations about the result and how I would be judged. I didn't give a shit as I just wanted to draw songoku and enjoyed doing it a lot.
Take a break from social medias, maybe find classes in your area where you can connect to actual people of your level, learn, maybe even make friends and enjoy the ride.

[Anonymous No.4707869]

I draw nothing but fat women as I really enjoy it. I really pray to one day make this into a career but I'm so scared that I'll never be able to make it. I work a soul crushing job and I would do anything to get out of it.

I want to be the next Betterwithsalt of Bamboo Ale.I really do.

I honestly fear that no one really does like my stuff and people just pity my work. Even with a thousand followers on DA... I have nothing but fear.

[Anonymous No.4707885]

>>4707168
>tfw no gf
>TFW NO GF
>TFW NEVER ANY GF
>TFW LONELY AND HORNY AAAAAAHHHHH AAAAAHHHH GODDAMMIT

[Anonymous No.4707889]

>>4707885
women are annoying and their only purpose is to have children

[Anonymous No.4707925]

>>4707885
COCKSLAM YOUR MOM

[Anonymous No.4707929]

>>4707869
First one is shit, second one is far better.

[Anonymous No.4707934]

>>4707889
Whatever, incel. HAVE SEX!

[Anonymous No.4707936]

>>4707171
10% engagement rate is really common

[Anonymous No.4707949]

I can never seem to get constructive critisism, anything from my teachers or classmates is unhelpful or positive. I want to be told everything wrong with what ive done, knock me down a peg or two. I never get any replies on here or anywhere else either. Its not that i have a big ego about my work, quite the opposite, i dont think im good at all in comparison to others, its just i need a fresh pair of eyes on my work that doesnt consider my feewings

[Anonymous No.4707991]

>>4707934
Sure, bend over.

[Anonymous No.4708121]

I can't draw! lol

[Anonymous No.4708129]

>>4707811
>they all ghost me after I quote them the price
some people just want to know the price

[Anonymous No.4708130]

>>4707949
Is that your work? If so I'd say you need to start over from the very beginning with Constructive Drawing. Just focus on line drawing for now, focusing on gesture, structure, and anatomy.

[Anonymous No.4708133]

>>4707821
but you don't need to draw in scale

[Anonymous No.4708138]

>>4707885
just beat your meat anon! but not that much. balance!

[Anonymous No.4708171]

>>4708138
I masturbate at least three times a day. Most was like 20

[Anonymous No.4708187]

>>4708171
that is too much.

[Anonymous No.4708207]

does anyone else feel extremely sad for lavender towne?

i know you're thinking "well one is just a single drawing for a yt video and the other is a painting with actual effort put into it" but you can tell, even from just these two, that she's gotten so much worse over the years. this is a literal nightmare for me, and i'm genuinely happy i got out of this hugbox shit early. it's so disheartening to see one of your idols as a teen completely fucking flop and stagnate while you move on and get better.

[Anonymous No.4708208]

why did I waste my time shit posting on 4chan all day? I had so much stuff to do.

[Anonymous No.4708213]

>>4708207
Whats her average view count on youtube? To be honest I don't see women drawing just for the sake of it and why bother when you make big mone with it

[Anonymous No.4708217]

>>4708171
>Most was like 20
God I wish my parents didnt get me circumcised like the pair of braindead boomers they are. Any more than three times a day and my dick is in agony.

[Anonymous No.4708222]

>>4708217
Im the 20 a day guy and am circurmcised. What’s wrong with your dick, bro?

[Anonymous No.4708223]

>>4708217
>circumcised
this shit should be illegal

[Anonymous No.4708224]

>>4708213
personally i think it's less of a woman thing and more of a teenage girl thing. it's easy to get sucked up into anime and heavy cartoon stylization as a little girl, and some people just never grow out of it or move on

[Anonymous No.4708225]

>>4708130
>01
yeah its mine thanks for the reply, i will do studies using this method not really thought about it before

[Anonymous No.4708226]

>>4708224
to clarify i mean getting sucked up into anime and cartooning without fundamentals, i don't think anime and cartoons are bad as a whole, they're 90% of the media i consume lol

[Anonymous No.4708227]

>>4708207
maybe she is happy tho. Like did you get sad because marco bucci didn't became a astronaut? No right! because you don't assume it was his goal.

[Anonymous No.4708228]

>>4708222
Willing to bet my life savings you got a meme c____cision where they took off barely any slack skin.

[Anonymous No.4708233]

>>4707811
>wanting clients to commission something without having the price stated

State your prices immediately. If people don't want to pay, then find other clients on different platforms or lower your prices to make them more appealing.

[Anonymous No.4708234]

>>4707949
where do you post? I don't think I ever saw your work.

to be fair I don't come here that much.

[Anonymous No.4708239]

>>4707949
I think you have an issue with your edges. Look at the thing covering their head and the wall, pretty much the same value, from afar they might as well blend.

[Anonymous No.4708244]

>>4708234
i dont post often on here to be honest and recently i havent been doing any new work, the is drawing from a few months ago

[Anonymous No.4708246]

>>4708239
good point, wouldnt have noticed that on my own thankyou

[Anonymous No.4708253]

>>4708227
yeah i guess her goal is to become a shit artist

[Anonymous No.4708279]

>>4707168

[Anonymous No.4708291]

>>4708279
Definitely gmi

but keep checking proportions

[Anonymous No.4708302]

>>4707168
Why is social laddering retarded as all hell? These fucks value memes over people’s actual content and the only way to get them to see your shit in the first place is cocksucking someone bigger than you.

[Anonymous No.4708306]

>>4708291
Thank you, will do.

[Anonymous No.4708323]

>>4708253
I am glad you finally understood it!

[Anonymous No.4708419]

>>4707525
ive been up for like 2 years and i post EVERY day. when i ask them questions all they do is like the posts. they dont answer the question.

[Anonymous No.4708421]

>>4708419
besides the fact that my art is not that god, i guess my problem is i divide up my audience and posts into 2 seperate subjects. i also have a project car that i post updates whenever i work on it. i think the people who like my car dont care about my drawings and vice versa. but they get about the same amount of interest if i use hashtags.

[Anonymous No.4708457]

why the fuck do my fingers hurt whenever I try to draw thin lineart?? I'm trying not to draw from my fingers or grip the pen too tightly or press down too hard but my hand always ends up aching after like five minutes

ive been trying to fix this for years but i think im just ready to accept the fact that im simply too stupid to draw right

[Anonymous No.4708487]

>client and artist walk away happy
Name a better feeling

[Anonymous No.4708492]

>"Alright this time I won't draw the character in 1/3 view..."
>Automatically draws the character in 3/4
>......
>FUCK

[Anonymous No.4708493]

>>4708492
I'm more afraid of drawing perfect profile or frontal. Feels like a copout for some reason.

[Anonymous No.4708503]

>>4707168
DID SOMEONE FUCKING PHOTOSHOP FЯED ONTO HER FACE? I'M FUCKING DYING

[Anonymous No.4708513]

Was forced to take a month brake for a wrist injury, and now my power level is like it never existed. I don't have any ideas to draw. i can't even draw a head properly anymore. It's so frustrating having to relearn stuff i should already know, and i don't even now where to start again.

[Anonymous No.4708563]

>>4708513
Make a still life. Draw from life, just arrange some shit in your room/workspace near where you draw, maybe light it with a desk lamp. Spend an hour on it.

[Anonymous No.4708566]

>>4707168
i spent years getting good at drawing but people dont care about shapes they just wanna see pretty colors
its not fair bros...

[Anonymous No.4708574]

most of the clits I get now are just "keep going" which is encouraging but I end up feeling much less of a sense of direction, I'm afraid of staying where I am forever.

[Anonymous No.4708619]

>>4708574
It means you're on the right track, you just need to continue with practice.

[Anonymous No.4708688]

>Love drawing fanart for a show
>Do a request for someone
>Some dude sends me a message
>"Hey, could you draw *insert fetish* It would be sooooo funny xDdDdD"
>Tell him that i won't do request for a while
>Sends me 5 more messages about how great it would be
How can i tell him to fuck off without sounding like an asshole?

[Anonymous No.4708696]

>>4708688
Are you planning on ever doing it? If not just block him. If so tell him to hit you back up in a couple of weeks or months when you’re not busy.

[Anonymous No.4708699]

>>4707214
>every other artist is amazing and can live fufilling lives

bro I'm barely decent after years of study, my job is basic ass restaurant work and I've been chasing a promotion for years bc I'm too pussy to jump ship when I can use this job to keep rent up while I doodle life away. I was almost social before covid and even now I'm doing ok but only after years of trying, and I barely saw a return. God bless what I got but shit man you're overly pessimistic.

post your fucking work here's mine

[Anonymous No.4708710]

>>4708696
I wouldn't mind doing it, but it's pretty easy to tell that if I do it the dude won't stop asking for more funny drawings.

[Anonymous No.4708718]

>>4708710
Just say you can’t do it right now. You don’t owe anyone any explanations unless they’re paying you.

[Anonymous No.4708723]

>>4708718
Yeah, you're right.

[Anonymous No.4708725]

>>4707214
same, anon, except the pandemic interrupted my search for a soul crushing job. so I'm just playing video games and maybe finding enough motivation to draw once a week because I feel like I'm still shit after so many years of drawing

living with my SO, technically don't need to work atm but we're moving soon to a better country and then I'll have to work

[Anonymous No.4708726]

>>4707174
Hey I have something for you!

I saved it from some other dude who posted here one sec

[Anonymous No.4708727]

I've been trying to learn mechs, and fuck is it a whole different ball game compared to figures. I know it boils down to studying actual mechanics and grinding on perspective but still, watching people draw them on YT feels like watching wizards do magic.

[Anonymous No.4708731]

>>4708726
here is the copy pasta

I've shared this before, but I'll share a summarized version of it:

- find accounts that post art similar to yours

- go to their followers list and, one by one, like 2-4 of their posts, leaving a comment is a plus, following them is fine if you actually like their work, following them so they'll follow you back and so you can unfollow them after like the other anon suggested is A HUGE MISTAKE. Yes you'll gain followers, but they'll be inactive followers who will tank your engagement rate. Trust me (as someone with 28k+ followers), you're better off having 5k followers who are all way into what you do, than having 50k followers but only 5k of them actually care about what you do.

- rinse and repeat a few times a day for 5-10 min at a time

This will help you grow when you're still very small, you have to let people know you exist or nothing will happen, but it's not a sustainable growing strategy and eventually it just won't be worth it anymore.

What will always be worth it, is organic growth.

You have a max of 30 hashtags you can use, but using more than 15-20 can actually be detrimental, so stick with that number.

Find 3-5 super popular hashtags related to what you do (#oilpainting, #fantasyart, #furryart, whatever), then the rest need to be carefully selected hashtags that you can consistently show up in the top 9-12 posts for.

To do this, look up a hashtag related to what you do, look at how many posts it has, and look at how many likes the top posts receive. Do your posts get that many likes in that same time frame? If so, use that hashtag, if not, keep looking.

You also want to use hashtags that have at least 5k-10k+ posts.

In time, you'll be able to phase out some of those hashtags and start targeting larger and larger ones.

[Anonymous No.4708733]

>>4708731


Part 2.

You need to post regularly.

I've been posting daily since last summer and in less than 3 years gained 28k followers. The trick to daily posting is that you don't need beautiful finished pieces, in fact, Instagram users love sketches and shit like that.

Dedicate a few hours to making a bunch of quick drawings, paintings, whatever, so you can build a backlog. That'll give you time to work on more finished work while still being able to post daily.

Next up, videos. Find a way to record process videos because they are a fucking godsend. They don't have to be super fancy, simple timelapses work too.

Remember those 28k followers I gained in a little under 3 years? 18k of them I got in the last 5 months, and over 5k of them I gained in a single month, thanks exclusively to process videos.

My most popular image post got 5.5k likes and brought in around 500 followers, my top post of all time is a video, with 12k likes, that brought in 2.5k followers. The 2nd and 3rd top posts are also videos, also at 10k+ likes.

Videos are just favored when it comes to showing up on Explore, which is where you can get a lot of impressions and follows, much more than through hashtag searches. So yeah, make videos. I film them on my phone VERTICALLY (you have to create them for social media, landscape orientation won't do, it's fine for digital paintings but ideally you should crop it to a vertical format) and quickly edit them with VLLO (free phone app). Takes me 10 min to edit them and post them.

And that's all I've done, that and of course replying to comments, posting stories (it helps, but not a crazy amount), and generally using the app.

[Anonymous No.4708758]

>>4708574
>clits

Fuck I’m gonna coom

[Anonymous No.4708786]

>>4708731
>>4708733
nta, but thank you.

[Anonymous No.4708843]

>>4707168
I’ve been studying art for about 15 months now, and honestly, I feel that my art does not equal the amount of investment I put in. It’s that feeling you get when you want to just not try anymore. Being a longtime lurker, I’ve seen people whose artistic skills are absolutely wonderful, while mines just sucks ass. Really makes it all so tiresome.

[Anonymous No.4708849]

I don't have a single idea as to how get a following going on and that is making me crazy. It shouldn't be so important...

[Anonymous No.4708850]

>>4708843
You don’t have to be better than anyone except who you were yesterday. Take a look at your older pieces and see where you’ve improved and what you need to work harder on. Break down your goals into smaller little goals and you reach them in no time. And have fun :)

[Anonymous No.4708890]

>>4708207
Drawing very stylistic shit can result in losing some skills.

[Anonymous No.4708945]

>can draw realistic faces that are pretty good looking
>anime faces look like ugly blobs with blank stares and no expression

[Anonymous No.4708950]

>>4708945
Maybe that should be a lesson to you, weeb. Anime is for the japs.

[Anonymous No.4708975]

I want a gf desu friends
not even for sex

[Anonymous No.4708982]

>mfw a newbie drawfag's art has more charm than my own art combined.

How can I make someone my suzerain drawfag again? This guy used to like/deliver to me all the time. Now he just ignores my requests. What do?

[Anonymous No.4708992]

>>4708975
Same

[Anonymous No.4709011]

I wish I could turn back time 7 years and do things differently.
I wish I was better at the things I do.
I wish I was happy.

[Anonymous No.4709038]

>>4707568
2nd language and whenever I look at my drawings I am sure that I have microseizures on top of it.

[Anonymous No.4709098]

I might die soon, I don't know, it's a real possibility now at least so I'm having lots of regrets over wasted time, I'm a complete beginner at drawing right now but I need to catch up fast very very fast so that I at least can share those designs I have in mind with the world, thing is I don't know how, there's so much to learn and thanatos is thanatos
I need the basics of drawing, poses, body language,character design, color, it's a lot

[Anonymous No.4709125]

>>4707168
I enjoy and am grateful for every little progress I make.
Just wish it happend faster.

[Anonymous No.4709561]

Today I am grateful for everything I have.

[Anonymous No.4709567]

I don't think I'm going to make it.

[Anonymous No.4709570]

>>4709125
Me too, bro.

[Anonymous No.4709575]

>>4709567
I’ve started to feel like I am too, damn

[Anonymous No.4709604]

I love art but I can't stomach social media so I'm going to be in total obscurity no matter what. I hate it. I don't want to do the shit that people do just to get seen. I just want to make work and post it.

[Anonymous No.4709682]

>>4707168
My hatred for artists fuels my art career. I've been let down by so many artists who have great ideas in theory but execute them so poorly that I never want to like/comment on anything they post.

Most of them are creatively bankrupt to the point that all they draw is the current trend and never try once to invent something for themselves. Their art is so blank, stale, and lifeless that it's better off that they have not picked up a pencil and paper to begin with.

Everyday I draw, I strive to be better than them. To not let my emotions get the better of my art career. I want to be able to draw amazing things, look are their bright and shiny faces, and say

"I made it. You didn't. I'm better than you and you'll never be on my level."

That's it. I just want to feel superior to other artists. I want to be able to post my "Sketches" that looked like they were crafted by the masters' above and BTFO every whiny bitch artist who says "I'll never be that good".

I want to confirm that idea and tell them they never will because they're lazy, sad sacks of garbage who give up at the first sign of adversity.

That is exactly why they will never succeed in art and I will happily laugh at their faces when they never will. My ascension will require the downfall of many, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make.

[Anonymous No.4709733]

>>4709682
>My hatred for artists fuels my art career.
>...To not let my emotions get the better of my art career.
Do not choose this path anon, trust me. I'm you from the future.

[Anonymous No.4709741]

>>4708207
well she has over a million subscribers, my guess is she's content at where she's at and just focuses on making videos.

[Anonymous No.4709746]

>>4709682
Based

[Anonymous No.4709753]

>>4709682
People aren’t into art anymore, unless it’s some waifu shit, cartoon/anime character, or from video game. That’s why so many of these artist let you down. These great ideas you hold won’t catch people’s interest. At best you might get some money laundering millionare’s interest. As long you’re making something you hold dear to yourself.

[Anonymous No.4709764]

>>4708207
Yea she is definitely regressing. It’s a pretty sad thing to see. Maybe that youtube money is the reason for this?

[Anonymous No.4709825]

>>4709733
is that real

[Anonymous No.4710130]

Everytime I see artists better than me, I don't even feel jealous. Just upset at myself that I haven't improved at all from before.

[Anonymous No.4710160]

>>4709753
Art on social medias is like any other content, fast, dispensable, quickly digested content and people don't even give too much shit about skills as long as it "looks" pretty and they have their daily huge dose of content. How quickly people browse insta and like a post for whatever reason is a strong indicator that quantity and trend matter more than quality or good ideas.
That explains coomer patrons to an extent, they want their "personalised" content and are willing to pay for it, because the rest is obviously already seen a thousand times and doesn't appeal to them.
So yes, people aren't into art anymore, they're into mass content.
If you want to make it, you need to associate your art with a product that might produce better engagement (merch, vidyas, comics etc etc)

[Anonymous No.4710166]

>start drawing
>draw 2-3 lines
>minimize photoshop
>mindlessly scroll through 4chan, make retarded posts like this one
>open photoshop
>repeat for 8 hours and realize I spent my entire day doing fuck all

[Anonymous No.4710215]

>start learning to draw at start of quarantine
>getting through a few how to draw books on exhentai
>skip to last 2 weeks
>cant stop drawing mature/milf yuri and fapping 8+ times a day
my sleep has turned upside down its consuming me. the worst part is its not even good enough to be deviant art tier its literally pure autism.

[Anonymous No.4710552]

>artist draws environments
bet he only draws environments because he cant draw figures
>artist draws characters
they’re just standing there, i bet he he’s never done dynamic poses
>artist draws figures in dynamic motion and warped perspective
what a gimmick, he’s always drawing in the same poses and dynamic perspectives to distract from the fact that he can’t do x
>does x
i bet he can’t do y
and so on

i know it’s just typical petty /ic/ jealousy that should be disregarded anyway but i don't understand how you make these kind of comments without realizing how you look. you’re the fat girl trying to intimidate the normal girl. i’m using this analogy because it’s true to my experience and more in tune with bitchy /ic/ “crabbing” than the typical interpersonal relationships or sophisticated competitiveness of professional men. you are exhibiting female traits, whether you are male or female. fat female traits. I grew up normal looking and in almost every school or workplace situation i found myself in there was always at least one or multiple obese female behemoths that would direct all their self hatred onto me because i was timid. they had no concept of abstract thought, or how obvious their grievances were to me and anyone with a brain who would have witnessed this behavior. this is the same brand of bitchiness that i see in “critiques” here constantly. never constructive or informed, always just transparently trying to bring someone more talented down. i can even have some respect for trolling if it’s funny, because if something is funny it will at least have some value, whereas unintelligent mean spiritedness has none. nope, when bullying superior artists /ic/ discord teens/pedophiles can’t even muster a shred of wit or absurdity, even their remarks are uncreative and uninspired like their work.

[Anonymous No.4710560]

>>4710552
also, just to clarify so no one misinterprets what im trying to say, im not being salty over a critique i received. I rarely post my work and when i do it tends to not receive many comments, which is fine by me. im just an autistic lurker that sees this community constantly trying to tear down skilled artists whose work i like and thought id vent about the very obvious grievances of the fat girl syndrome posters.

[Anonymous No.4710583]

>>4707949

[Anonymous No.4710701]

>>4707168
I wish the jannies here were not a bunch of fucking retarded mentally ill tranny faggots.

[Anonymous No.4710789]

>>4709682

[Anonymous No.4710838]

i hate how my art looks when it's flat coloured so much. i think i'm just gonna remove it as a commission option

[Anonymous No.4710846]

>>4710838
Might be your color choices. Have only one color be in the saturated range and the further a color moves toward the complement, desaturate.

[Anonymous No.4710852]

>>4710701
upset that your /pol/bait got deleted?

[Anonymous No.4710856]

I'm scared to draw so I went basic to the basics and started doing drawabox.
I thought I was always better then it but I'm actually learning pen control.
When do figure drawings instead of drawing what I see I'm trying to think of the muscles twisting and the bones.

I still suck at drawing clothes. And I don't know how to over come drawing exclusively nude.

[Anonymous No.4710957]

>>4708699
>years of study
How many years?
>you're overly pessimistic
If anything I'm realist, At the very least you are progressing.
>post your fucking work
Only thing you need to know is that its shit

[Anonymous No.4710976]

>>4710852
No nigger I'm annoyed that the schizo poster has two threads active that he spams with 4K images of pure shite and the tranny jannies do nothing about it.

[Anonymous No.4711020]

Any Americans have advice for the following or have experienced the same thing?;

In the beginning of quarantine, around May, I enacted upon myself a new regiment of the utmost discipline. As a beginner artist, I forced myself to study more than eight hours a day, and although I was not perfect, it was easily one of the best and most important months of my life. I could make art with a clear understanding of some of the most basic fundamentals, and I got so far as even to begin my studies in anatomy. For the most part, I was extremely proud of myself, a rare feat.

But then began the upset of the outside realm. I'm very sensitive to politics, and in the month of June riding into the present, I became too distracted to paint. Instead of painting, I wasted all my time reading the news, as it seemed the country would self-destruct at any second, and these distractions led to all my other vices, drinking, gaming, etc. to get away from it all. And so, one of the best months of my life were followed by one of the worst. And every time I tried to forced myself to draw again, my willingness too just wasn't there at all, because compared to the outside world, the act of my drawing was just so small and meaningless. And I still feel the same.

I wish someone could convince me to paint again, because I just can't seem to convince myself, and I hate myself for it.

[Anonymous No.4711063]

>>4710552

This guy here >>4709682 is part of the reason why that mode of thought it prevalent in the art community. Art will easily lead to arrogance, and I'm no saint but I typically keep my arrogance internal as much as possible.

[Anonymous No.4711080]

>>4711020

Stop reading the news. It's all lies and hoaxes anyway. Journalists are psychopaths whose entire career is built around doing everything they can to make you feel anxious and depressed.

[Anonymous No.4711098]

I managed to delete my concept sketches, reference sheet and a sketch that was going well by pressing the wrong button on my keyboard

I now want to kill myself

[Anonymous No.4711102]

>>4711098
how did you delete them? did you delete files? every operating system has a recycling bin.

[Anonymous No.4711104]

>>4711098
Did you accidentally delete it out of your folder or something? Bro just take that shit out of your recycle bin

[Anonymous No.4711109]

>>4711098
Every time I do that I just Ctrl+z and the files come back from the abyss.

Unless you just deleted or installed a whole lot of shit your files should still be in recycling. Go get them. Dumbfuck

[Anonymous No.4711116]

>>4711102
I moved my tablet off of my laptop keyboard so I could type and it started pressing buttons, somehow causing my clip studio paint to close. I didn't get the chance to save anything yet, as I was halfway through sketching (I save when I'm done/before I go to bed)

[Anonymous No.4711123]

>>4711116
Did you turn off autosave? Also if you didn't save your ref sheet or your file when you started you are a stupid.

[Anonymous No.4711124]

>>4711116
most programs nowadays have an auto save feature. I know SAI does it by default, I'm sure CSP does as well. You should be saving regularly anyway.

[Anonymous No.4711126]

>>4711116
Brooooo that's playing with fire. You should always save every once in a while because of this exact kind of bullshit. Especially if you're going to be moving your tablet or keyboard.

Who the fuck seriously doesn't save their shit until they're done with it? Holy shit. Stop doing that it's stupid and you should feel stupid.

[Anonymous No.4711136]

>>4711123
>>4711124
Cps has autosave? I can't find it anywhere kek, maybe I need to look around more

>>4711126
I probably should, I just don't want a billion files of my concept sketches and references when I end up stop needing them after 3 hours in. I would've saved my sketch but I was in the middle of drawing it lol

[Anonymous No.4711144]

>>4711063
i don’t see it as arrogance so much as blatant insecurity. or rather, the arrogance is like a side effect of insecurity. you have to have a good baseline sense of confidence to achieve anything worthwhile, especially drawing. what im referring to is more along the lines of bitchy comments that are obvious jealousy, schizo posters that larp as anime villains like >>4709682
can be based sometimes, or at least amusing.

[Anonymous No.4711331]

>really like how one of my faces turned out
>can't replicate
Ughhhhh

[Anonymous No.4711844]

>I'm not supposed to know, but my parents invited over fifty of my relatives, even relatives so distant that we've never met, to descend on my house as a great wonderful surprise for no reason. I think I'm in hell. I guess they just feel like a massive touchy-feely party in the middle of the corona virus. They're still hounding more and more people to join the guest list.
>That’s not all. Apparently the main attraction is going to be the entirely of my family herding me into my room, gathering around my computer and forcing me to showcase my magnificent body of work, (I've always given my family the excuse that my art was on my computer, so inaccessible.) I..I…
>I live in a dusty closet. It couldn’t even fit a fraction of them. My relatives are extremely stiff, insulated and moralistic. They are horrified by anything that isn't pretty much along the lines of photorealistic oil paintings of furry animals. Anything not a precise modern photorealistic rendering is out. A single nude or fleshy limb study would make my family think of me, with shock and hatred, as a sexual deviant for the rest of our collective lives. Anon, I’m doomed.

[Anonymous No.4712046]

>watch like five different youtube videos on how to draw a portrait
>they all have their unique approach and I'm too much of a /beg/ to understand what the common factor is
>still completely confused
Sometimes I really hate that people are all different

[Anonymous No.4712051]

>Be me
>Want to draw
>Shit draw
>Learn more anatomy perspective
>Practice drawing
>Remember that one time my parents praised my cousin's portrait of her mother
>Feels shit
>Overthink
Now I can't seem to continue nor motivated to learn/draw

Pic related cousin's portrait

[Anonymous No.4712086]

How do you just give up? I can't stop thinking about drawing stuff that will inevitably look shitty anyways

[Anonymous No.4712093]

>>4710552
this is really well articulated. Well done anon.

[Anonymous No.4712098]

>>4707168
Will I ever get good? Will I ever get comfortable with drawing? I think I am just drawing based on these empty promises

[Anonymous No.4712170]

I was doing so well. I was using my time during the pandemic to practice this shit, it was fun, it was rewarding. Near the beginning, I could sit with my tablet for days on end, just drawing for fun, maybe learning a thing or two on the way. But now, I have to force myself to do even simple practice. I haven't drawn anything I really like in weeks. Something's missing, I don't know what it is, and I don't know how to get it back.

[Anonymous No.4712186]

>>4707949
look at
>>4710583

also would be cool if the houses in back had more detail

[Anonymous No.4712282]

>Post fully painted illustration I spent all day working on to sfw Twitter
>Mild response
>Post porn doodle I spent 30 minutes on to nsfw account
>Get +150 followers, tons of compliments
>It's not even fanart/fetish and I have less followers on my nsfw account than my sfw account
God I feel like my skills are good enough to make it on social media, but I'd have to sell my soul and churn out coom/generic cute girls if I actually want to build up an audience

[Anonymous No.4712295]

>>4710552
>what a gimmick, he’s always drawing in the same poses and dynamic perspectives to distract from the fact that he can’t do x
I've never seen this. Actually I'm the only one who's sick and tired of the various KJG copycats drawing random "stuff" in 5PP as if that made their drawings great. Skill matters but the point of making a picture goes beyond showing how good you are. The reason why these people do this all the time is that they're selling tutorials, that's why people follow them, so they're obligated to draw this shit all the time and it's tiring to see. Outside of this pet peeve that I've never expressed I have never seen any criticism except that it's "soulless" or something like that, which probably ties to what I'm saying on a subconscious level. Or just "he's good but I don't like his art" which I suppose is legit because it's not porn anyway. I have never seen the environment criticism either, mostly because nobody cares about environments.
What I have seen a lot, instead, is porn artists making a massive anatomical fuck up, like fucking up foreshortening big time, someone points it out for laughs like "lol wtf is that arm" and a rabid army of jerkoffs goes on to defend it extremely seriously and praise it as a "style choice" or some other shit. I think it all boils down to the fact that if people don't like your subject matter (which means, it isn't porn) they will only care about your technical skills since in either case, if they don't see your art as content they can jack it to, they want it to be a resource they can use to draw something they actually like (mostly porn).
The moral of the story is that if people aren't interested in your art in the first place, they will be inclined to see all the technical flaws. If they actually like it, they will ignore them or dismiss criticism from people who in turn don't like the art and see the technical flaws.
And yeah I'm fucking sick that people like porn so much.

[Anonymous No.4712298]

How do you become "creative" anyway? Do you have to go outside? My imagination is and always will be fucking garbage.

Do you need a certain brain chemistry/makeup to draw? Parts just don't match up in my mind. I did a lot better before attempting to learn to block out basic shapes. It especially doesn't work for the face. drawing it from above or below seems like a monumental task and loomis isn't fucking helping. His help is the equivalent of the "draw a circle -> draw the rest of the damn owl" meme except instead of owls it's geriatric men. Is it my meds? Does lithium make you retarded? Am I getting too old to learn anything advanced at 30?

[Anonymous No.4712318]

>>4712298
You have to do some soul searching and discover who you really are and what you love in life that isn't addictive consumer trash. Stop buying into this dehumanizing psychology garbage by which human beings are nothing but meat robots, this has nothing to do with your brain chemistry.

[Anonymous No.4712412]

remember when
>corporate-stock-photo.png
>John, your resume looks great, but we've been looking through your social media - just a routine check, you know how it is, and... well, it's very concerning that you didn't show support for [political movement]. Adding to that, you're still friends with quite a number of people who openly oppose [movement]. We're sorry John, but you know we can't be associated with that.
was just a meme?

[Anonymous No.4712424]

>>4712412
Decentralization will make that harder. Many movements have the head on Twitter, but slowly they are starting to appear different alternatives that will appeal better to newer generations, so this level of whitch hunting won't be repeated.

[Anonymous No.4712426]

>>4712170
What courses are you following?

[Anonymous No.4712448]

>>4707168
I'm a porn artist for a fandom with a whole lot of young children. They keep fucking following me and joining my discord and I only find out their ages way later (the little monsters like to lie). I am fucking terrified of being cancelled for being a pedo for all these accidental horny interactions with underage people. Why can't they just be adults? I can't even sell shit without knowing I am probably selling porn to a minor. I don't feel like drawing anything else.

[Anonymous No.4712471]

>bored of drawing the same female body type all the time
>decide to ty and draw lolicon art for the first time for shits
>mfw it looks good first try and comes naturally

[Anonymous No.4712473]

>>4712471
just add a dick and call it a trap

[Anonymous No.4712492]

>>4712448
Who cares. Just continue

[Anonymous No.4712506]

>>4712492
that's what I've been doing. Horny 12 year olds are fucking scary though

[Anonymous No.4712586]

>browsing /ic/ again instead of drawing

[Anonymous No.4712595]

>>4712471
>be me
>try drawing some thicc anime-ish females
>get CHAD Jojo gachimuchi body type

[Anonymous No.4712642]

>>4712448
>we live in a timeline where people are addicted to porn by the age of 12

[Anonymous No.4712645]

>I can't draw anything at all this week because I have to take a test T_T

[Anonymous No.4712647]

I dont understand social media and whenever I post my art I feel like I am pissing in an ocean of piss.

[Anonymous No.4712656]

>>4707168
>twitter
>post art I really like
>lose followers
well I guess fuck me then

[Anonymous No.4712948]

>>4712645
What type of test last a whole week, if you don't mind me asking?

[Anonymous No.4713321]

WHY THE FUCK IS TRADITIONAL SO FUCKING INTIMIDATING?

[Anonymous No.4713329]

Art used to be what kept my chin up trough all the ugly shit in my life and the world in general, but now it's the source of my darkest depression.
I feel like art went from something that tried to elevate people and remind them to aspire to something greater and reach to something higher like true beauty or divinity, to something designed to satisfy their stupidest thoughts, their worst instincts and darkest desires. When I talk about how the art world is falling apart I'm not even talking to people who understand what I'm saying anymore, they just say art is fine because there are studios that draw fappable anime, or they're like yeah I agree with you them anime girls aren't as fappable as they used to be. It's all so far gone that you cannot even complain about the death of these things and be understood. I guess that's zoomers and porn addiction for ya.
I wish I could completely give up on this stuff but I know that if I stop I will kill myself. All that keeps me going in this mad world is something that gives me pain.

[Anonymous No.4713331]

>>4707849

Finally, good fucking advice. I cant understand why you have to wade through so much bullshit on this site before you run into someone who gets it

[Anonymous No.4713334]

>>4713329
I feel you.

[Anonymous No.4713336]

>>4713329

If when you're talking about art their answer is what anime they jerk off to or not, have you considered you're talking to the wrong people?

[Anonymous No.4713368]

>>4713336
>have you considered you're talking to the wrong people?
Who else is there that is reachable online? It's not just 4chan. You go anywhere, social media, DeviantART, Discord, it's all the same. All there is outside of this is the realm of cocktail parties and art awards, but that reality is just as corrupt by other things and it's largely beyond reach.
Every time I see something vaguely stimulating in that field, it's always someone's dried skeleton in a corner, it's all people who didn't make it, who gave up, who will be forgotten or were forgotten, who barely sold a thing. What's the point of all you are will turn into a 404 anyway.
Maybe I'm too bitter but I was starry eyed when I started, it was all eroded from me. The more I talked to people, to other artists, the less faith I had. Now I have none. I wish someone would prove me wrong, but every time I realize they just didn't understand the argument, they tell me I should be hopeful and link me to the very stuff I hate as proof.

[Anonymous No.4713433]

Fuck man, why am I so sad today?
I took my meds, I tried to exercise. I didn't over indulge yesterday. But I can't bring myself to draw because I feel this soul crushing pain in my chest.

[Anonymous No.4713436]

>>4713433
Sounds like your brain chemicals are still in a mess. I understand.

[Anonymous No.4713504]

I'm so tired of my attention whore friend sometimes but she's also the only one who lets me vent about shit.
It's just exhausting to have to keep complimenting garbage doodles as if they were high art

[Anonymous No.4713516]

>>4713504
you are both cunts

[Anonymous No.4713526]

>>4713516
this
>>4713504
i'm sure she's just as exhausted having to listen to you vent. instead of exhausting yourself on complimenting her art, point out how she can improve. I do this with my best art friend, I use artists better than both of us as examples, so it's not like i'm looking down on his art.

[Anonymous No.4713538]

>>4713329
GODDAMMIT I AM SO LONELY AND HORNY I NEED A GF NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[Anonymous No.4713539]

>>4713538
I need to
I NEED T-TOOOOOOOOOO COOOOOM

[Anonymous No.4713562]

>>4707168
i'm making so much money but i'm not sure i can keep up throughout the year
i feel tired and jsut want to learn 3D sculpting

[Anonymous No.4713612]

I love ic!

[Anonymous No.4713620]

My boomer monster went down hard and I also threw up all over my desk.

[Anonymous No.4713624]

>>4713321
Because your a bitch.

[Anonymous No.4713630]

Just took on a commission and I feel like I'm biting off much, much more than I can chew with the subject matter. Especially since I have zero energy nowadays. SO works 8hr days on commissions/studies and I don't know how she does it, she's so tired all the time too but manages to do that and then some. I want to be more like her- even a small bit of her talent and discipline.

[Anonymous No.4713672]

>>4711844
Top kek

[Anonymous No.4713676]

>>4713630
Hi anon, you have to force yourself to pick at the commission bit by bit until eventually you get used to working on longer hours. Don't beat yourself up, it really takes time to get used to. I average at 10-12 hour days on drawing commissions, while i have to deal with pretty bad fatigue from diabetes. You can do it anon I believe in you.

[Anonymous No.4713722]

A sort of obscure coom artist I follow on twitter suddenly just stopped posting. Her last activity was nearly two months ago where she liked a shitty doodle and she was very active even before then. Seemed like she was doing better with her art and was doing a decent amount of commissions even, until it just abruptly came to an end. I checked on her page last night and it just says she was still open for commissions, no word of her going on hiatus, no new likes/activity... feels like she might have actually died irl and it makes me really sad. Her art wasn't god tier but her simple style was appealing to me. She had a future, but she never made it.

[Anonymous No.4713726]

>>4713722
What a simp lmao

[Anonymous No.4713745]

>in a lightning strike wipe out my furrafinity account with coomer stuff
NOW I AM UNCHAINED AND ABLE TO DRAW WHATEVER THE FUCK I WANT

[Anonymous No.4713747]

>>4713722
Why do you assume death?
She could have gotten a job or just got busy. Happen to a few jap artistes I follow. They had to get a day job and then they just stopped drawing.

[Anonymous No.4713784]

>>4713722
At least she didn't nuke it.

[Anonymous No.4713799]

>work as a freelance storyboard artist for an advertising agency
>you get provided with descriptions and come back with finished images
>trace shutterstock photos to speed up workflow, it's an internal job so no one cares about copyright anyway
>fast forward 2 yrs
>"Hey Anon! We're making a video about our agency and we want to include footage of you drawing our storyboards. Can you please export a timelapse of you drawing this next storyboard? Thanks"
Lol I freaked out so bad I just told them I was busy, but they said they will still want me to send them the footage next time around. Are they testing me or something? I thought it was pretty obvious I trace the images, given how fast I'm able to turn them in. I can draw them from reference sure, but it'll take 10 times longer. Is it possible to export a timeline from Procreate without showing one layer?

[Anonymous No.4713809]

>>4713799
Tracing fags btfo

[Anonymous No.4713820]

>>4713799
>Can you please export a timelapse of you drawing this next storyboard?
What's the problem? Just dont trace your next storyboard?

[Anonymous No.4713823]

>>4710215
post

[Anonymous No.4713825]

>>4713820
That’s the problem, he can’t draw for shit and needs to trace everything.

[Anonymous No.4713830]

>>4713799
>Is it possible to export a timeline from Procreate without showing one layer?
you could probably print out parts at a proper size and put them over the screen, then trace the paper
I have never done this because I have dignity, but maybe it can help

[Anonymous No.4713845]

>>4713820
I just don't feel like spending 10 hours on a 4 hour job. But yeah, I'm probably gonna have to do that
>>4713825
I can deliver the same quality, it'll just take much longer
>>4713830
Lool brilliant. I'll try that.

[Anonymous No.4713914]

>>4713845
I dont deal with this type of stuff, but OBS has a window capture option, and there is probably a way to, in most operating systems, transpose a translucent image on top of a program that lets you click through

Although I couldn't tell you what software allows for translucent click throughable images

[Anonymous No.4713928]

Ever since I started, I've begun to feel like any free time I have that isn't spent on drawing or studying is wasted. Can't enjoy video games anymore because I have this constant nagging feeling that there is something else I should be doing.

[Anonymous No.4713935]

>>4713676
Thank you Apu, I'll do my best.

[Anonymous No.4713974]

>>4707168
>Spend a long time on a pic
>post it on Instagram
>It gets 18 likes
>Some asshole steals pic and reposts it with zero credit.
>600+ Likes in the last two hours

I fucking hate that place so goddamn much

[Anonymous No.4713983]

>>4713799
No one is ever going to give a shit that you traced shit for an ad storyboard. Mark Simon goes around and gives talks telling people to trace every fucking thing they can and gives no fucks.

[Anonymous No.4713994]

>>4713974
Cant you report/call him out for stealing it?

[Anonymous No.4713999]

>>4708244
yeah if I had saw it I would definitely say something

like everything is pretty great (composition rendering and such) you just need to work on your 3d shapes, like the gun muzzle is twisting the fingers are kinda flat and so on.

[Anonymous No.4714003]

Sometimes I wish I were pretty and confident so I could get those infomous "ez beta bucks"

[Anonymous No.4714010]

>>4713994
reporting anything on insta is pointless. No one ever bothers to follow up on a report there.

[Anonymous No.4714019]

>>4714003
>Sometimes I wish I were pretty and confident so I could get those infomous "ez beta bucks"
If you were born with a vagina you need exactly neither of those things to get attention from betas and simps. If anything, a non-conventionally attractive female is capable of getting just as much attention as a conventionally attractive female by simps and betas. Because non-conventionally attractive females are seen as more attainable relationship partners, basically.

The inclusion of confidence is laughable, men are not attracted to confidence whatsoever. That is a feminine trait. Men are attracted to demure, humble, shy females. Only degenerate coombrain sex addicts who were neglected by their mothers find forward and pushy aka ""confident"" females to be in any way appealing.

[Anonymous No.4714045]

>>4714003
You just have to hint that you're a pervert. You don't even have to put yourself in a compromising position with personal stuff or your face, just say things that imply a deviant sexuality and that also highlight that you are a female. I used to follow a few female artists I won't name, for the actual art they made, but I found out they had a porn account on the side and they were doing those trashy tweets on purpose. I'm sure the constant reminders that they were degenerate fujoshi and proud of it got them a lot of clout because it was always so jarring. It all ties together nicely in the narrative that female pornshitters are the coomer's holy grail because they imply the promise of real sex, or in any case they get you close to a woman who's stroking her vagina to the stuff you buy from her. I feel like a fool when I think about it.

[Anonymous No.4714059]

>>4714003
I WISH I HAD A GF

[Anonymous No.4714061]

>>4714059
After the initial lust period wears off, having a gf sucks

[Anonymous No.4714070]

>>4714061
I don’t even wanna have sex I just want someone to cuddle with and go for walks and picnics.

[Anonymous No.4714072]

>>4714061
Then get a boyfriend instead homo

[Anonymous No.4714088]

>>4714070
get a dog

[Anonymous No.4714120]

>>4714088
I have a cat. I want a dog but they need too much attention and I work 9-10 hours on weekdays and live alone.
>>4714072
He needs a tomboy gf

[Anonymous No.4714131]

>>4714072
I already have on it's not great either

[Anonymous No.4714133]

>>4714120
Put some toys around the house for the cat, they get really bored.

[Anonymous No.4714137]

>>4714133
He has plenty. He likes boxes and crumpled up paper more than anything I’ve bought him tho. He also likes watching the birds and other cats outside.

[Anonymous No.4714144]

>>4714019
You need cofidence in order to put your face on the market like that

>>4714045
How did you know they were female?

[Anonymous No.4714153]

>>4714144
Uploading your face to the internet isnt confident, its stupid and trashy

[Anonymous No.4714159]

i love drawing but my neck hates it. my neck is in perpetual pain and its demotivating.

[Anonymous No.4714215]

>>4714137
My cat is like that too. Also he's retarded and tries to eat plastic. Not plastic that smells like food, but shit like cellophane wrap from a box, plastic bags from the store, unused ziplocs, packaging from items. If it's within his grasp for even one second he runs off with it. I think he's trying to off himself.

He also grabs anything he can with his paw (dropped q-tip, sticks, headphone cord) and immediately deepthroats it, gags, and throws it at me as hard as he can, or if he's close to me he fucking stabs my foot or leg with the item as hard as possible. Lately he's been trying to figure out how to punch me and I don't even know where the fuck he's learning this shit. The TV maybe??? He sits up on his ass and curls his paw into a fist and extends his paw straight into my back or arm. It feels like a strong poke from another person, which has scared the living shit out of me on many occasions - he likes to sneak behind me to punch me and I thought it was another person in my fucking apartment.

Does anyone else have a cat that does this kind of weird-ass shit? What is wrong with my cat and why does he think he has hands???? Why does everything get deepthroated and then fucking thrown at me or used to stab me? Does he hate me? Is he a fucking demon?

[Anonymous No.4714312]

>>4714215
How old is your cat? During her first year my cat used to do stupid shit like sneaking up on me, trying to eat every object, and lunging at my eyes. She calmed down more or less as soon as she was fully grown. Never had a male cat but maybe they're dumb retards for even longer.

[Anonymous No.4714314]

>>4714159
My lower back feels like its going to snap after a few hours of drawing

[Anonymous No.4714379]

>>4714153
>its stupid and trashy
why?

[Anonymous No.4714567]

>cool artist comes out of nowhere with a new twitter account, draws 10-15 pics and deletes account two weeks later

[Anonymous No.4714624]

>>4713630
>Actually has a gf who does art, its understanding about art, works hard on improving her art and can ask her for tips or advice
>Oh no commission is hard, I'm le sad
I don't think you even realize how good you have it, meanwhile regular chumps like me have to juggle both in a vacuum all by themselves, I don't even have the chance to allow me to be sad or discouraged. Get your shit together already.

[Anonymous No.4714655]

>>4714567
Sounds like me but not actually cool

[Anonymous No.4714660]

>>4714567
that's me once a year, crippling depression does that

[Anonymous No.4714749]

>>4713722
I did this, I just couldn't be bothered to finish my commission and kept putting logging on off longer and longer until I realised it would be such a hassle to go back and grovel for forgiveness. Now I'm a hobbyist so that someone would grant me 3rd world wages for shitty coom art.

[Anonymous No.4714751]

>>470716
Work overtime, tired as shit, finally sit down and get ready to draw...3 year old son comes running to play. After he goes to sleep, too tired to do anything... No wonder I churn out this hot garbage.
I need to plan my time better.

[Anonymous No.4714757]

>>4713722
I did this, I just couldn't be bothered to finish my commission and kept putting logging on off longer and longer until I realised it would be such a hassle to go back and grovel for forgiveness just so that someone would grant me 3rd world wages for shitty coom art that I never wanted to draw. Now I'm a hobbyist, my money comes from a normal job so I'm not scared of the tax man or my mum finding out things anymore.

[Anonymous No.4714795]

another masterpiece by Ruan Jia

what is the fucking point of this, it's so unappealing and uncanny(like all of his other works that aren't landscapes and dragons)

[Anonymous No.4714801]

>>4712412
>having social media at all

[Anonymous No.4714812]

I came here a year ago and tried to follow Loomis and all it did was confuse me and I just came back and I’m watching Vilppu and he’s a fucking genius and everything he says makes sense why the fuck is Loomis pushed so much more

[Anonymous No.4714842]

>>4714795
really? I like it quite a bit, personally. I do think that "human body in armour with hyperrealistic animal head" is a little old now, and I don't think he's bringing anything particularly new to the idea

[Anonymous No.4714938]

Why can I not just DRAW
Just pick up the pencil and FUCKING DRAW
Like the moment I start it's just a never-ending barrage of my mind begging and screaming at me to do something else until I cave
>I'm hungry
>I should check twitter
>I should check 4chan
>You know I should look up another video on how to do this first just to make sure I'm doing it right
>That completely unrelated video looks interesting I wanna watch it
>Actually I'm horny
>God this is so hard I'm so bad at this I should just give up holy shit I'm ngmi time for the daily depressive episode
Every single fucking time with this. Not just drawing either, literally anything that doesn't give instant gratification. I can't accomplish anything, but even if I force myself for months on end, these thoughts just never ever go away. What can I do?

[Anonymous No.4714945]

>>4714938
I have good news anon, there's a way to fix it.
Your addicted to the dopamine rush of all the instant gratification bullshit modern society affords you, but a dopamine detox can "reset" your brain and allow you start enjoying challenging and time consuming activities again.
Pic related details the process

[Anonymous No.4714948]

>>4714938
>>4714945
Also, recommend researching meditation to help quiet your mind.

[Anonymous No.4714949]

>>4714812
same happend to me
i avoided vilppu because for some reason i had him associated with proko

[Anonymous No.4714963]

>>4714812
>>4714949
Where do I go to watch his tutorials?
They don't seem to be on youtube

[Anonymous No.4714965]

>>4714963
video course thread >>4703741

[Anonymous No.4714967]

>>4714965
Never saw that thread
thanks anon

[Anonymous No.4715009]

>2 years since art
>I'm the slowest artist there is
>Takes me like 2 weeks to complete an all around mediocre finished piece, 90% of the time is spent fixing mistakes I find along the way over and over
>"Don't worry, speed comes with mileage"
>The more I practice and the more I learn the slower I become as I'm more aware of all the mistakes
HELP!

[Anonymous No.4715011]

>enjoy drawing
>think it's turning out good
>go use the bathroom
>come back
>it was actually garbage all along
how do I get over this
it's affecting my self esteem

[Anonymous No.4715024]

>>4714945
>>4714948
That's pretty extreme, but shit I'm desperate so I'll look more into it. Thanks anon.

[Anonymous No.4715034]

>>4714312
He's 5 years old, but I've had him for 4 years - he was actually more like a normal cat when I got him (the plastic obsession was there from the start though) and has progressively gotten more freaky as he's gotten older. I play with him a lot and hang out with him in downtime, he's got shit to do on his own too, so he's not under stimulated either. He likes looking out the window and watching TV, usually he's interested in anime and UFC/boxing matches. He's just a fucking psycho that thinks he has hands and its like he's taking joy in learning to use them to hurt others. Today he tried to figure out the door knob to my roommate's bedroom (he likes to run up and slap her dog in the face while he's sleeping, especially when he's mad about something like getting a bath or getting back from a trip to the vet).

I've never heard of a cat doing this shit. He's sweet sometimes but mostly he wants to punch me, bodyslam me over and over while I'm sleeping, and traumatize the dog. Why does he want to fuck with me so much in violent ways I don't get it

[Anonymous No.4715081]

I think I've started to degrade into a extremely negative mental state about my art as a whole. I just want to study constantly and get better at already but I have a incredibly poor work ethic and do actual 'studies' in small spurts, does anyone have any advice on where to start with studying and how to continually do it at a constant rate? I don't even want to bother with making completed original work anymore.

[Anonymous No.4715137]

>>4715009
>90% of the time is spent fixing mistakes I find along the way over and over
That's your problem right there. Learn to do it right in the beginning and once you move on from the draft stage into lineart and rendering there's no going back, only going forward. You live with the mistakes and learn to fix them in future pieces so you don't have to live with them anymore.

[Anonymous No.4715166]

>>4715137
Once I come up with a basic pose I need to resketch and refine on top of each subsequent sketch at the very least 5 times come up with something passable before even going into lineart. My whole process is unstable and filled with doubt.

[Anonymous No.4715814]

From all my drawings (100+) there is only like 20 that does not make me cringe and it isn't because they are good, they just aren't that bad. the worst part is that it isn't even the last ones it is stuff from years ago.

[Anonymous No.4715839]

How do japs get those extremely thin, excellent lookig lines?
Nobody ever talks about it and there are no translated resources and it's driving me insane

[Anonymous No.4715840]

>>4715839
big canvas small brush zoom in with stabilizer on

[Anonymous No.4715841]

>>4715839
Go to a booru and use the tag absurdres. That's all you need to know.

[Anonymous No.4715902]

>>4714795
I like his sketches better

[Anonymous No.4715961]

How does he do it?

[Anonymous No.4716094]

>>4709682
pyw

[Anonymous No.4716111]

>be complete /beg/, not even learning anything
>decide to draw first complete thing in digital
>fuck with styles
>get it done under four hours
>feels like shit

[Anonymous No.4716127]

>>4715009
>artist: I don't think we nee-
>client: draw the balls!
>artist: but-
>client: DRAW! THE! BALLS!
>artist: o-ok

[Anonymous No.4716135]

>>4716111
I mean, did you expect your first drawing to be good?!

[Anonymous No.4716146]

>>4716135
I am glad that it is bad

[Anonymous No.4716155]

>>4715814
You could've done a thousand drawings by now, anon. 10 a day would be 300 a month. Do you only ever do highly rendered finished paintings? Do you ever just sketch?

[Anonymous No.4716166]

>>4716146
>embracing failure because he knows that it is part of the journey
Definitively GMI!

[Anonymous No.4716179]

>>4708890
What "skills"?

[Anonymous No.4716186]

>>4710166
Block 4chan, delete system 32 and draw traditionaly

[Anonymous No.4716189]

>>4712471
"For shits and giggles"

[Anonymous No.4716206]

>>4716155
>Do you only ever do highly rendered finished paintings? Do you ever just sketch?
I only draw with pencil/pen and paper, so no. I do sketch a lot, but I am only counting the ones that I posted here.

>You could've done a thousand drawings by now, anon. 10 a day would be 300 a month.
I couldn't, I'm not a neet. And drawing isn't my career choice. But it is true that I could have done more tho.

[Anonymous No.4716441]

I have a “friend” who is starting to get on my nerves for lacking self-awareness and a mindset of blaming others for his failures. He almost always asks me for critique on his artwork and I seriously don’t want to be his free art instructor anymore. It doesn’t help that I seriously don’t care for the subject matter in his work and he doesn’t even really put any effort into studying. I’m not sure how to deal with it because he’s never been an asshole to me but he has serious issues and personality flaws that make me feel incredibly embarrassed to even be his “friend.” We haven’t even talked for a month online and he goes ahead and spills personal shit and drama into our conversations.

[Anonymous No.4716550]

>>4716441
Draw over his work and shut him up.

[Anonymous No.4716593]

>>4716441
tell him "just draw" thats what i do with you fags when I'm tired of your bullshit.

[Anonymous No.4716607]

There are so many things I want to draw at any given time and I'm just not fast enough. I'm in fact one of the slowest artists I know. It really frustrates me.

[Anonymous No.4716615]

>>4716441
how can you blame others for your bad drawings? Please tell. I need it for trolling purposes. I cannot even imagine it. "OoohhhHhh Loomis made me put those chicken scratches, alas!"

[Anonymous No.4716631]

>>4716441
if you hate him that much why do you even talk to him?

[Anonymous No.4716641]

>>4716615
not him, but I heard people saying shit like "if my mom gave me that book to me when I was 6yo I would be good now" never about drawing tho

[Anonymous No.4716644]

>>4712448

Most people put an 18+ only contract on their page to cover their ass, legally. Might wanna look into that.

[Anonymous No.4716653]

>>4716607
How long does it take you to finish a single piece anon?

[Anonymous No.4716672]

>>4716653
Colored? 4-5 days assuming I don't get too distracted.

[Anonymous No.4716692]

>>4715034
Are you sure that's a cat and not a homeless man in a cat suit?

[Anonymous No.4716791]

>>4715961
i don't understand the hype around this cunt's art. it's just decent coomerbait at most

[Anonymous No.4716798]

>>4716631
I'm too much of a pussy to be blunt with him I guess. He hasn't been an asshole to me but has just been an asshole to others who dared voice their annoyance toward him. I'd be perfectly fine with him if he backed off a bit and didn't treat me like free art instruction/critique and I wish I could tell him that. However, I co-moderate the group he's in and I want to minimize as much drama as possible.

[Anonymous No.4716802]

>>4707949
Torrent/pirate Craig Mullins' schoolism course and watch the part on values. Your values are all muddy and are not distinct which makes them difficult to read so you should always thumbnail out your values before proceeding with the piece.

[Anonymous No.4716803]

>>4716672
It takes me 2 to 3 weeks for me, and I don't get distracted at all. I'm just the worst artist there is in the whole universe.

[Anonymous No.4716806]

>Trying to draw a face as a study
>Eyes look fine but too different from the reference pic
>Know exactly what's wrong with them and how I should fix them
>Every attempt to fix them comes out looking incorrect because I can't get my hands to do what I want
>Progressively get more and more frustrated at my inability to fix the problem, despite me knowing what's wrong with it

[Anonymous No.4716807]

jesus fuck i really wanted to call her an ngmi but it's not /ic/. if she was here she'd kill herself in a matter of seconds

context: we were talking about motivation and I said discipline trumps everything and she disagrees because muh love for art needs to be nurtured

[Anonymous No.4716810]

>>4716615
I was considering not talking about this but I doubt he will see this here. He'd talk about things like how his professors are to blame for not teaching him how to paint specific skin colors and for favoring certain students over others in his class which is why he isn't getting as good as he'd like. I don't think he realizes that maybe having a rotten attitude and lack of work ethic like he shows online might be a reason why he's not getting the attention that the better students are getting.

[Anonymous No.4716811]

>>4716807
She sounds like she needs meds but she's not completely wrong. If you hate it take a break or stop.

[Anonymous No.4716817]

>>4716811
i know the difference between burnout and no motivation, but she's saying that if you're not motivated you just shouldn't draw. basically she's completely against the idea of discipline.

[Anonymous No.4716836]

>>4716807
>>4716817
she's entirely right, you fucking moron. You're unironically the real ngmi here

[Anonymous No.4716842]

>>4707180
>>4707183
This could be the OP image

[Anonymous No.4716859]

>>4714945
This is fucking stupid

>>4714938
>>4715024
Just read "Mini Habits" by Stephen Guise, you can find a free pdf on genesis library or wherever.

[Anonymous No.4716917]

I hate getting angry at small things,

Yes i know, fucking study, its not a hard concept

You pwy if your quick to criticize

Alot of you guys are just assholes looking for validation like me so stop being crabs

Yes i fucking know stop pointing it out im trying my best with the amount of fucking time i have

I want getting mad

[Anonymous No.4716920]

>>4716917
Take... take your meds...?

[Anonymous No.4716927]

I have no one to talk to and i have to always pretend to be happy otherwise is will drive away the "friends" i have.

I can't complain about anything

I hate myself for the wrong reasons

Im too slow at learning

Everyone pities me

I need help

I don't want to commit suicide because im a coward

People only talk to me when they need me

I have no value as a person

I want to physically break things

Im unwanted

Im a nuisance

I should quit

[Anonymous No.4716944]

>>4716920
Honestly i need a therapist

[Anonymous No.4716993]

>>4707168
I'M GOING TO LEARN TO DRAW THE BEST ANIME TITTIES LIKE BASED Kiseki Himura and no amount of SEETHING TWITTER SJWs is going to stop me.

[Anonymous No.4717176]

>>4716927
Just be yourself and try to find true friends, not "friends"

[Anonymous No.4717318]

>>4717176
I am myself,
I like to have fun
But i can't talk about my issues with people

[Anonymous No.4717759]

>watching streamer draw
>suddenly start watching an anime I didn't watch yet but plan to

Come on man this pisses me off so much.

[Anonymous No.4718337]

>get commissioned by a semi-popular furry for a banner
>he gives me a shoutout
>now most of my followers are furries
i appreciate it but this is kind of concerning because the only furry shit i draw is commission stuff. i legit hate drawing them anyway on top of that, so i can guarantee most of them are going to pack up and leave once they realise that and i start putting out more of my original works
on one hand i'm fine with it because i absolutely don't fucking want a furry following, but on the other i'm gonna be left with little followers left at all again. it's not like i'm doing this for popularity or anything, but i guess it'll be kind of a shame to have it all tumble back down
might stop taking furry commissions completely because it's all i get commissioned and i don't want this reputation. i'd rather i get commissioned for a bigger variety so i can get a broader following, but that's also a big source of income i'd be losing
man i fucking hate furries and how widespread furshit is

[Anonymous No.4718428]

>work on a piece for hours
>go to bed excited to finish it the next day
>wake up
>realize it's stupid and bad

[Anonymous No.4718579]

Why is everyone on /ic/ a little bitch? Stop crying all the time Jesus. What is it about fine art that attracts such losers?

[Anonymous No.4718648]

Seeing ppl get legit thousands of followers from drawing fanart of some fucking mediocre kills all my drive to even bother. No amount of grinding fundies or any of that shit will matter when someone can just post some 3/4 bust of some nostalgia bait. It's just a fucking numbers game

[Anonymous No.4718655]

I'm honestly really bothered by this new zoomer trend of freaking out whenever someone draws an anime or game character that isn't a giant titted milf. I grew up with metric fuck tonnes of asuka and rei art and no one cared back then. I've drawn characters who i aged up by literally just 2 years and people still DM me and harrass me. It honestly feels like I'm losing something I love because people are too fucking stupid to tell reality from fiction.

[Anonymous No.4718657]

>>4718337
it's over for you, furry. you're one of them now.

[Anonymous No.4718796]

>>4710215
>how to draw books on exhentai
post links

[Anonymous No.4718944]

I want to implusively buy glitter paint. I don't even know what I'll use it for, I just want it.

[Anonymous No.4718988]

I hope I can get this job working from home. It'll help me out big time where my mental fatigue is concerned.

[Anonymous No.4719100]

>>4718655
same. i'm not sure if it's just a twittertard thing since twitter is retarded about literally everything, but it's still demoralizing anyway. that plus the recent derpixion ban from pornhub and patreon's offsite policing really makes me feel like there's no hope and the future of making money making coom art is going to be really hard if not impossible in the future.

[Anonymous No.4719133]

>>4718579
Escapism

[Anonymous No.4719295]

NEW THREAD
>>4719292
>>4719292

[Anonymous No.4719366]

>>4716806
> I can't get my hands to do what I want
unironically draw a box

[Anonymous No.4719385]

>>4716817
>she's completely against the idea of discipline.
why did you post the part where she is right, instead of the part that she is wrong?

[Anonymous No.4719449]

>>4716927
can you do therapy? you sound like you really need it.

[Anonymous No.4719473]

>>4718337
try use your furry following to bring non-furry followers. like posting stuff that engage the furries but also the non-furries. easier said than done tho

[Anonymous No.4719475]

>>4718428
it is better than realize only after finish it.